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Posted on 08/27/2011 2:14:11 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
The biblical usage of election has absolutely nothing to do with salvation contrary to the teaching of Calvinism. Calvin summarizes this foundational doctrine in his book Institutes of the Christian Religion (Book 3 chapter 21): Of the eternal election, by which God has predestinated some to salvation, and others to destruction. He qualifies his summary by stating:
"The predestination by which God adopts some to the hope of life, and adjudges others to eternal death, no man who would be thought pious ventures simply to deny By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which he determined with himself whatever he wished to happen with regard to every man. All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death." (Calvin Institutes 3:21:5: 06 all emphasis in this article is mine)
Calvinist James White reiterates Calvins words demonstrating that Calvin meant what he said. White states: God elects a specific people unto Himself without reference to anything they do. This means the basis of Gods choice of the elect is solely within Himself. His grace, His mercy, His will. It is not mans actions, works, or even foreseen faith, that draws Gods choice. Gods election is unconditional and final. (James R. White, The Potters Freedom, Amityville, NY: Calvary Press, 2000, p. 39) This is also echoed by Loraine Boettner, in The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination
The Doctrine of absolute Predestination of course logically holds that some are foreordained to death as truly as others are foreordained to life. The very terms elect and election imply the terms non-elect and reprobation. When some are chosen out others are left not chosen. The high privileges and glorious destiny of the former are not shared with the latter Those who hold the doctrine of Election but deny that of Reprobation can lay but little claim to consistency. To affirm the former while denying the latter makes the decree of predestination an illogical and lop-sided decree. The creed which states the former but denies the latter will resemble a wounded eagle attempting to fly with but one wing. (Loraine Boettner The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination 1932 from 2000 bible study centre DIGITAL LIBRARY p. 104-5)
The good news, however, is that election, elect, chosen (and the derivatives) are terms that have nothing to do with ones eternal destiny. Scripture does speak at length of the elect and the chosen but these terms are devoid of the Calvinistic sense of someone who has been chosen to receive eternal life. The term elect and its derivatives therefore are not salvific in meaning but simply refer to persons or things that are chosen for a particular purpose and the purpose has nothing to do with eternal life. Once the definition of the word is established biblically, the foundation of Calvinism will be undermined and will collapse and arguing the tenants of TULIP will become inapplicable. The word elect (Greek verb: eklegomai ἐκλέγομαι; Hebrew verb: bakharבָּחַר) means to choose, select. The elect or chosen (as nouns or adjectives) are those people or things that have been elected, selected, or chosen for a particular purpose by someone. Scripture bears witness that elect and its derivatives have nothing to do with someone being chosen specifically to eternal life.
The Election of Priests, Kings, and Disciples
In the Old Testament, we see times when God chose and people chose. God chose Levi to minister forever the LORD your God has chosen [bakhar בָּחַר Greek LXX eklexetai εκλεξηται] him Deut 18:5 (see also 1 Chr 15:2) . God chose Saul to be the first king of Israel. What is fascinating about King Saul is that he was chosen both by God and the people: Samuel said to all the people, Do you see him whom the LORD has chosen (Hebrew and Greek are the same roots as above) (1 Sam 10:24) Two chapters later he was chosen by the people: here is the king whom you have chosen and whom you have desired. And take note, the LORD has set a king over you. (1Sam 12:13) Sauls election by God had nothing to do with eternal life. Saul was chosen, elected by God for the purpose to be king over Israel and with that he had all of the potential to be a good king and for his lineage to be the lineage of the Messiah. "Why then did you not obey the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He also has rejected you from being king. (1 Sam 15:19, 22-23) It is only after repeated disobedience is Saul rejected and David chosen to take his place. Sauls election by God to be king had nothing to do with eternal life and his removal from being king likewise had nothing to do with eternal life he was simply removed from his post. Saul is analogous to Judas in many ways because both he and Judas were chosen yet they both forfeited their election. Jesus answered them, Did I not choose [eklegomai ἐκλέγομαι] you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil? (John 6:70) God elected David to be king and passed over the other seven sons of Jesse. The LORD said to Samuel, Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him Neither has the LORD chosen this one the LORD has not chosen these. (1 Sam 16:7-10). The choosing or election had nothing to do with eternal life according to the Calvinist definition: God chose David because of what He saw in the heart and He chose him to be king not for the purpose of eternal life. See Luke 6:13; John 13:18, 15:16, 19; Acts 1:2, 24, 15:7 concerning Jesus choosing of the disciples, one of whom was a devil (John 6:70).
The Election of Messiah and Angels
Gods election of Messiah further demonstrates that the term election is devoid of the Calvinistic concept of eternal life. Jesus, the Messiah-God-Incarnate, certainly has no need of salvation or eternal life; He is the source of life! Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One [LXX: eklektos εκλεκτος] in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him " (Isa 42:1, see also Isaiah 49:7) This very title was used of Jesus on the cross the rulers with them sneered, saying, He saved others; let Him save Himself if He is the Christ, the chosen of God. (Luke 23:35). Peter further confirms Gods election of the Messiah: Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious (1 Pet 2:4, see also 1 Pet 2:6). Jesus was unquestionably chosen, elected, predestined by God to be the Messiah but His election was not for His salvation. He was chosen by the Father to give us eternal life! In a similar fashion we find that angels can be elected demonstrating that elect does not mean chosen to eternal life (see also Heb 2:16 regarding the fact that God only offers salvation to mankind): I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the electangels (1 Tim 5:21)
The Election of Jerusalem
God also elected (chose) Jerusalem to be His city proving that election has nothing to do with eternal life. Yet I have chosen Jerusalem, that My name may be there, and I have chosen David to be over My people Israel. (2 Chr 6:6) the city which You have chosen (1 Kgs 8:44) and for the sake of Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen (1 Kgs 11:32), the city which I have chosen for Myself, to put My name there. (1 Kgs 11:36) For the LORD has chosen Zion; He has desired it for His dwelling place. (Ps 132:13) In all of these verses we see that God has chosen or elected Jerusalem for a purpose and the word election does not entail eternal life.
The Election of False Gods and Foolish Things
In Corinthians we learn that God has chosen foolish, weak, base and despised things: But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, (1 Cor 1:27-28; see also James 2:5) Not only is election used to describe Gods choosing of people, places, and things for His special purposes, it is used for mens choosing of the true God and of false gods. So Joshua said to the people, You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen the LORD for yourselves, to serve Him (Josh 24:22) Go and cry out to the gods which you have chosen; let them deliver you in your time of distress. (Judg 10:14) Jesus points out others who chose poorly in the Gospel of Luke: Jesus noticed how the guests chose the places of honor, He told them a parable. He said to them when you are invited do not take the place of honor. (Luke 14:8) Our conclusion from the above verses is that election has nothing to do with predestination to eternal life. God chose priests, kings and Jerusalem for His purposes and man chose both God and idols. We would be wrong to try to insert the concept of predestination into the term election.
The Election of Israel
While election is made by God and men of people and places, there is a usage that stands out uniquely in Scripture: Gods chosen people, the elect, are the Israelites. The title chosen/elect is in no less than eight verses in Scripture. The use of the title elect to describe Israel becomes very important when we venture into the New Testament because it clears up many theological, soteriological, and eschatological issues.
Seed of Israel His servant, you children of Jacob, His chosen ones! (1 Chr 16:13)
Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, The people He has chosen as His own inheritance. (Ps 33:12)
Seed of Abraham His servant, you children of Jacob, His chosen ones! (Ps 105:6)
He brought out His people with joy, His chosen ones with gladness. (Ps 105:43)
For the LORD has chosen Jacob for Himself, Israel for His special treasure. (Ps 135:4)
For Jacob My servants sake, And Israel My elect. (Isa 45:4)
I will bring forth descendants from Jacob, And from Judah an heir of My mountains; My elect shall inherit it, And My servants shall dwell there. (Isa 65:9)
For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people, And My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. (Isa 65:22)
The verses above demonstrate how God has specifically called Israel, Jacob, the Seed of Abraham His chosen. Thus the term the chosen or my chosen and the elect is a reference to ethnic Israel. This point is proven by Paul who, in a synagogue on the Sabbath day in Antioch, read from the Law and Prophets and then spoke to his fellow Jews: Men of Israel, and you who fear God, listen: The God of this people Israel chose our fathers (Acts 13:16, 17) Thus, the election of Israel was true in the Old Testament and the New Testament as well.
The Few Chosen Are Israelites
With the definition of the elect/chosen established, we are now ready to proceed to the teachings of Jesus Whom we must remember was Himself Jewish. In Matthew 22 Jesus, speaking with the Pharisees, compares the Kingdom of Heaven to a King who prepared a wedding feast for His Son. Those that were invited to the wedding feast were not interested in coming so the King sent His servants out calling everyone who would come. That the invited guests to the wedding were the Israelites is certain. Jesus Himself confirms this in His rebuke to the Pharisees: And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 8:11) There are also many passages in the Old Testament that speak of the Messianic age in which the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would be Gods special people (See for example: Isaiah 2, 4, 11, 60-66). Therefore, Jesus statement For many are called, but few are chosen, (Matt 22:14; see also Matt 20:16) must be interpreted in light of who are the chosen that is the Jews! The chosen, elect (the Jews) were the ones to whom the promise of the Messianic Age was first given. However, when the bridegroom came they were not willing to come and therefore God the Father gave instruction for all (the many) to be called to the feast.
Understanding who the elect are unlocks the passage for us. Knowing that the elect are the Jews completely rules out any Calvinistic interpretation of the passage. Note that both the called and chosen still needed salvation as indicated by the wedding garment and he who was found in the feast without a garment was cast out.
The Elect in the Tribulation
We next come to the references to the elect in Matthew 24 in which Jesus is telling the disciples of what the days of the tribulation would be like. Armed with the knowledge that the elect are the Jews, we can consistently interpret the passage; the elect in Matthew 24 are not Gentile believers in the tribulation, but are Gods chosen, that is the Jews. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elects sake those days will be shortened For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect." (Matt 24:22, 24) Marks Gospel adds for the elects sake, whom He chose (Mark 13:20) emphasizing those whom God chose: the Jews. If the elect are interpreted as those whom God has predestined to eternal life, then a conundrum arises, in particular, for those of us of a pretibulational perspective; who exactly is being gathered at the end of the tribulation? He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matt 24:31) There can be no question that this gathering happens after the events of the Great Tribulation and yet, if it is referring to the same catching up of believers in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, then the teaching of the pretribulational rapture would be nullified. However, once we realize that the elect here are not believers in general but specifically the Israelites/Jews then the matter is resolved. Two-thirds of the (up to then non-believing) Jews will tragically perish and the one-third (Zech. 13:8) remaining will be gathered at the end of the Great Tribulation. It also fits in with Revelation 19 where the believers return with Jesus to the earth because they have already been caught up to Him. The Old Testament proves that the gathering of the elect in Matthew 24 must be speaking of the Jews. Jesus used the language of Isaiah 11 to describe the gathering of the elect, an obvious reference to the Jews: He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. (Isa 11:12) The gathering of the Jews is further predicted in Isaiah 43:5, 54:7, and Zechariah 2:6. When we realize that the usage of chosen or elect has nothing to do with (predestined to) eternal life then many of the difficult Bible passages are easy to interpret.
The Elect in Peters Epistles Are Jewish
Peter likewise uses the term elect to describe the Jews. We know so because Peter says as much: Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ (1 Pet 1:1-2) The word dispersion (Greek diaspora διασπορά) was used to describe the scattering among the nations that God had promised to the Jews (Israel) if they would not follow Him (Lev 26:33; Deut 4:27; Neh 1:8, etc.; the LXX uses the same Greek word as the NT). James, in his epistle, could not be any clearer that the diaspora is Israel when he says: To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad [en te diaspora εν τη διασπορα]: Greetings. (James 1:1). The twelve tribes are of course Israel (the Jews) and they are in the diaspora the same group to which Peter was addressing his letter. At the end of his first epistle, Peter further establishes that the elect were none other than Jewish believers, who were also in the diaspora. He writes (in the NKJV) She who is in Babylon, elect together with [you,] greets you. (1 Pet 5:13) Now at first glance it appears that Peter might be referring to some woman by the use of the word she (aute αὐτή) which by the way, is absent from the Greek text. The word in the text is the feminine article (he ἡ) which is referencing back to something that was already addressed in the letter. We know that the something in question is also elect and is an adjective modifier to the something because elect is feminine singular (suneklekte συνεκλεκτὴ). The question is, however, what is the something that the article and adjective refer to? The answer is to consider to whom the feminine something is sending greetings. That takes us back to the first chapter where Peter established already that he was writing to the pilgrims who were in the diaspora. Diaspora is a singular feminine word and hence it fits the bill perfectly. Certain translations, like the NET Bible for example, have translated the feminine article in 1 Peter 5:13 not as she but as the church. Their selection at first appears justified since Peter is obviously writing to believers in Jesus and of course, the word (ekklesia ἐκκλησία) is singular feminine. The weakness of the translation, however, is proven by the fact that the word ekklesia does not appear even once in either of Peters epistles. The word diaspora does appear and fits both in number and gender. Lastly, we must acknowledge two important points: 1) Peter was the apostle to the Jews. In Galatians 2:7-9 Paul states that he was entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised just as Peter was to the circumcised (Gal 2:7). 2) Babylon was the third largest Jewish center in the ancient world. When the Jews were given leave under Cyrus to return to Israel in 536 BC, only a small remnant returned while many thousands stayed in Babylon. The writing of the Babylonian Talmud gives concrete proof to the fact that Babylon was a major center of Jewish life and culture. Since Peter was the apostle specifically appointed to take the Gospel to the Jews, then finding him in Babylon (not Rome!) in the company of Jews is simple enough to grasp. Whether or not Peter ever ventured to Rome as church history would have us believe is therefore in question though it remains outside of the scope of this brief study. Nevertheless, we see that Peter is writing from Babylon, in the company of other Jews (the chosen) to fellow chosen ones who were also in the diaspora (that is, not living in Israel). Realizing that Peter is the apostle to the (elect) Jews and is writing from Babylon to other (elect) Jews facilitates the interpretation of the two epistles. In 1 Peter chapter two Peter writes concerning his Jewish (believing) brethren: you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. But you are a chosen generation [note: the Greek word is genos (race) not genea (generation) see: NASB], a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. (1 Pet 2:5, 9) These same words were used repeatedly in the Old Testament to describe the Jewish people:
Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. (Ex 19:5)
And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel. (Ex 19:6)
For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth." (Deut 7:6)
For you are a holy people to the LORD your God, and the LORD has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples who are on the face of the earth." (Deut 14:2)
"For the LORD has chosen Jacob for Himself, Israel for His special treasure". (Ps 135:4)
He continues speaking to these Jewish pilgrims: You once were not a people, but now you are Gods people. You were shown no mercy, but now you have received mercy". (1 Pet 2:10) The passage is taken from Hosea 1:9 where God, speaking to Israel, states Then the LORD said: Name him Not My People (Lo-Ammi), because you are not my people and I am not your God. (Hosea 1:9) Peter is demonstrating that their previous condition has been undone in Jesus Christ. This truth is given by God through Hosea However, in the future the number of the people of Israel will be like the sand of the sea which can be neither measured nor numbered. Although it was said to them, You are not my people, it will be said to them, You are children of the living God! (Hos 1:10, see also Hos 2:23)
Elect but Not Saved
Thus when we read in 2 Peter: Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble (2 Pet 1:10) we know that Peter is talking to Jews and that their election has nothing to do with salvation. Therefore, this is not a Calvinistic call for us to somehow make sure that we have been chosen to eternal life! It is rather a reminder to the chosen people to embrace the fact that they were elected, chosen by God to be His special treasure. However, their election is by no means an absolute guarantee that they will inherit eternal life. Paul corroborates this fact so clearly in 2 Timothy: Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. (2 Tim 2:10) Note well that Paul must endure for the elect, the Jews, so that they too might be saved. As we have seen, election has nothing to do with salvation. Furthermore, election is generally a term used of the Jews, who are of course, the chosen people. This is confirmed yet again in Romans 11, where Paul, who is speaking about the Jews, states Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. (Rom 11:28)
The Elect in Romans Are Israelites
Part of the challenge of understanding Romans is to recognize that Paul is speaking to the believers in Rome who are both Jewish and Gentile (non-Jewish). We learn that from the way that he addresses his readers: the gospel of Christ is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. (Romans 1:16) Jew and Greek is a combination that he uses throughout the book, see for example Romans 2:9, 10; 10:12. Romans 2:17 Paul speaks specifically to the Jews Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God. (Romans 2:17) Paul then asks what advantage the Jew has (Rom 3:1) and he answers his question with Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God. (Rom 3:2) In chapter four Paul speaks of Abraham who was their father according to the flesh Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh (Rom 4:1 KJV). Thus, Paul was essentially describing Abraham as: our genetic (birth) father. The NET Bible confirms that translation Abraham, our ancestor according to the flesh (Rom 4:1 NET) Finally, Paul bridges the apparent polemic between the Jews and Greeks of the Roman church with the following conclusion For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. (Romans 10:12) Having seen that the book of Romans was written in large part to the elect, the Jews, (see also Acts 18:2 and Romans 16:3 concerning Roman Jews) as well as Gentiles, we can now see that the many uses of the word elect are not references to salvation, predestination etc. Rather they are reference to the Israelites (elected by God) to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came (Rom 9:4-5) Therefore, Pauls question Who shall bring a charge against Gods elect? (Rom 8:33) is not Calvinistic (predestined to eternal life) but is a reference to the elect Jews (see above: 1 Chr 16:13, Ps 33:12, Ps 105:6, Ps 105:43, Ps 135:4, Isa 45:4, Isa 65:9, Isa 65:22). This concept is consistent throughout the book. Romans 9-11 is the great defense of Scripture, par excellence, that God has not cast away His people. Paul begins the section by showing how God began with Abraham and then chose Isaac over Ishmael, and then Jacob over Esau. Speaking of the two nations in Rebeccas womb, Paul says: for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election [ekloge εκλογη] might stand, not of works but of Him who calls. (Rom 9:11) The election has nothing to do with Calvinistic predestination but with God choosing Jacob rather than Esau to be the one who would receive the oracles of God etc.
Election of Grace
Paul continues in Romans 11 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election [ekloge εκλογη] of grace. (Rom 11:5) This was spoken of the encounter of Elijah and the 400 Israelite prophets of Baal. Just when Elijah thought all was lost, God informed him that He had reserved 7000 that had not followed the evil ways of Baal. And thus in like manner, most of Israel, who had been chosen, elected by God to be the conduit of blessing to the world, had rejected that special calling. This concords with what Jesus stated in Matthew 22:14 that few [the Jews] are chosen and that small group had for the most part rejected the special RSVP that God had sent to them to come to the wedding feast. Paul continues What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect [ekloge εκλογη] have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. (Rom 11:7) It must be noted that the word elect here is in fact feminine singular demonstrating that it is not speaking of the elect ones (masculine plural eklektoi εκλεκτοι) but election. This means that in both Romans 11:5 and 11:7 the term is election thus Gods action of selecting Abraham, Isaac, Jacob to the be the recipients of the promises (Rom 9:4-5). (The Wesley translation properly maintains the nuance of the noun the election [ekloge εκλογη] hath obtained Rom 11:7 Wesley) The entire context of the elect and election has to do with Israel as evidenced by Pauls following statement of how they, the Jews, have not stumbled so as to fall On the contrary, because of their stumbling, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make the Jews jealous. (Romans 11:11) The biblical election of grace is not Calvins idea of God choosing some to eternal life and others to eternal damnation; it is rather God choosing the Jewish race, which was based purely on Gods grace and not their righteousness. Moses plainly stated that early in their national history: It is not because of your righteousness or the uprightness of your heart that you go in to possess their land, but because of the wickedness of these nations that the LORD your God drives them out from before you, and that He may fulfill the word which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. (Deut 9:5) That the election of grace is referring to Gods choosing of the fathers is further established in chapter eleven: Now if their stumbling means riches for the world, and if their fall means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean! For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? (Rom 11:12, 15) Israel, nationally speaking, rejected the invitation to come to the wedding feast when the Bridegroom came which thereby translated into riches for the Gentiles. However, the election of grace, that is Gods making promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their seed, was an irrevocable call which is why Paul says about the unbelieving Jews: Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. (Romans 11:28-29) Paul probably had Jeremiah 31:35-37, among other passages, in mind when speaking of the irrevocability of Gods promise. God had called Israel to himself and would never let them go completely. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. (Rom 11:2) Peter also confirms that God foreknew the Israelites: to the pilgrims of the Dispersion elect according to the foreknowledgeof God the Father (1 Peter 1:2). God chose Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their descendants for a special purpose. His choosing them (election) had nothing to do with the Calvinistic idea of predestination to eternal life and eternal damnation. Though the Jews were elect, they were not automatically saved. They for the most part had rejected the invitation to the wedding feast and as such were blinded but they would be restored in the end.
Foreknowledge is a companion of election but just like election, foreknowledge is a general reference to God having known the Israelites beforehand. Consider Pauls definitive statement: So I ask, God has not rejected his people, has he? Absolutely not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew [proginosko προγινώσκω]. (Rom 11:1-2) The word foreknow, like election, has nothing to do with having predestined someone to eternal life or eternal damnation, as Calvin suggested. Foreknow and foreknowledge are simply a verb and noun of the same basic stem. Look at the following verses that demonstrate that knowing something ahead of time is not only possible for God but for man as well and it does not entail the Calvinistic concept whatsoever: They knew me from the first [proginosko προγινώσκω], if they were willing to testify (Acts 26:5) You therefore, beloved, since you know [this] beforehand [proginosko προγινώσκω], beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness (2 Pet 3:17) In both of the verses, the word is the same foreknowing and neither is Gods foreknowledge; it is simply mans. Certainly neither of those two examples carries any sense of Calvinistic predestination. Peter speaks of Jesus being foreknown before the beginning of the world and is just now made known He was foreknown [proginosko προγινώσκω] before the foundation of the world but was manifested in these last times for your sake (1 Pet 1:20 NET) We witnessed before how Peter was addressing the Jews in his epistle whom he states to be elect according to Gods knowing beforehand: to the pilgrims of the Dispersion elect according to the foreknowledge [prognosis πρόγνωσις] of God the Father Therefore, when we come to Romans 8 we ought not to jump to the Calvinistic definition, but to the God-foreknew-the-Jews definition. And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew [proginosko προγινώσκω], He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined these He also called; whom He called (Rom 8:28-30) Even the act of calling we find spoken of concerning Israel in the book of Isaiah: But now, thus says the LORD, who created you, O Jacob, And He who formed you, O Israel: Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by your name; You are Mine. (Isa: 43:1; see also: 54:6; 1 Pet 1:15, 2:9, 5:10) Insofar as we Gentiles are grafted into the olive tree, then we share in the common purpose that God has for His elect, the Jews. You, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree,(Romans 11:17)
The Remaining Verses of Election
There remain a number of verses that speak of the elect in the New Testament. In light of all that we have studied we can confidently know that they have nothing to do with the Calvinistic idea of predestined to salvation or damnation. Furthermore, in almost all of the cases, understanding them to be a reference to the Jews, Gods chosen people, is warranted. Lets briefly consider those remaining. When Jesus spoke of God avenging His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, (Luke 18:7) He was talking about the Jews. Rufus, chosen in the Lord, (Rom 16:13) may be speaking of him being Jewish. This would make the most sense given that of the many other (obviously) believing brothers and sisters in the chapter, only Rufus is called elect. Why would Paul refer to only him as being elect, if the Calvinistic definition of election were true? Were the others not also heirs of eternal life? Understanding that elect/election is not salvation and is generally a reference to the Jews the passage makes complete sense. It must be noted that Priscilla and Aquila, from Rome, were also Jewish and yet were not called elect. Could it be that because Paul had nothing else to say about Rufus that he simply stated that he was chosen/elect in the Lord? Ephesians 1:4 ought to be viewed in light of the chosen people, Israel: just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love," (Eph 1:4). We know that Paul traveled to Ephesus and there spent three months reasoning with the Jews in the synagogues (Acts 19:1-8). Thus, Ephesians seems to be once again, for the Jew first and then the Gentile paradigm. The mention of elect in Colossians is probably also a reference to Jews: as the elect of God, holy and beloved (Col 3:12) Colossae was in Asia (minor) and we have seen how Peter wrote to those in the dispersion who were in Asia. We also know that Paul first entered the local synagogue wherever he went in order to persuade the Jews first. Thus, his letter to the Colossians, located in Asia is most likely a letter written in the principle of Jews first and after that the Gentiles. This is confirmed by looking at the Jews present on the day of Pentecost: And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabs (Acts 2:5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11) The letter to the Thessalonians is also a letter to the Jews first and then the Gentiles. In Acts 17 we read they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures and some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas. (Acts 17:1, 2, 4) With that in mind, we can see why Paul would say we give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God." (1 Thes 1:2, 4) Once again, election is not Calvinistic in its definition, but Jewish. Likewise in Titus 1:1 Paul speaks of the faith of Gods elect which very possibly was a reference to the faith of the Jewish people. The Apostle John wrote to the elect lady and her children (2 John 1:1) Though there is debate whether this is addressed to an individual woman and her immediate family or to the larger community is not material for this study. However, the term elect would again point to a reference to someone ethnically Jewish. The salutation also points to someone who is ethnically Jewish. The children of your elect sister greet you. (2 John 1:13) We cannot help but think back to Peters address to the elect Diaspora and how the elect-together-with-you in Babylon (that is, fellow Jews) greeted them. The final mention of the elect is found in Revelation 17 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful. (Rev 17:14) We have seen that the elect and chosen do not refer to the Calvinistic concept of election. We have also seen that elect in the New Testament almost always refers to Israelites. When the Lord Jesus comes back his entourage will absolutely include Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and their seed. The question, however, is will Gentiles also be among that group? Given the fact that we Gentiles are grafted into Israel (Rom 11:24) and enjoy blessings that come with that, we can be confident that we will be in that number returning with the Lord.
We thus come to the end of our study having seen that elect and election have nothing to do with salvation, predestined to eternal life or death, nor any Calvinistic definition whatsoever. God elected priests, kings, disciples, Messiah, angels, and Jerusalem all of which had nothing to do with being predestined to salvation. We also saw that elected/chosen was used of foolish things and of false gods (on mans part) again, the term had nothing to do with being predestined to salvation. We then came to the election of Israel and saw that in no less than eight verses in the Old Testament God declared Israel to be His elect! Thus, when we turned to the New Testament we could see that elect/election/chosen never was there as a reference to being predestined to salvation; in fact, nearly every reference of the elect was to Israel. We looked at the elect in the tribulation and saw that it was speaking of the Jews. We looked at the epistles of Peter and found the mention there of elect was to the Jews. We looked at the book of Romans and again, the Jews were the elect. We examined the remaining verses that spoke of election or Gods choosing and found that they more than likely refer to Israel as the elect. Finally, we considered the term foreknowledge/foreknow and found that it is not a salvific term but simply God or even man, knowing something in advance. With all that we have seen we must therefore conclude that elect is not salvation. The definition that Calvin gave Of the eternal election, by which God has predestinated some to salvation and others to destruction, is completely lacking in Scripture. Election has nothing to do with salvation or damnation. It is simply God or man making a choice. However, the term the elect is more often than not, a reference to Israel/Jews who are of course Gods chosen people. The New Testament references of the elect are never speaking ones eternal destiny but of God having chosen someone for a particular purpose. In almost all of the New Testament references, the elect are in fact the Jews! It turns out that the New Testament is more Jewish-centered than most of us ever imagined! The epistles of Paul, James, Peter, Hebrews and John are written to the Jew first and then the Gentiles. Personally, I am quite satisfied that Gods plans center around Israel; we Gentile believers have been grafted in which is good enough for me.
***”There remain a number of verses that speak of the elect in the New Testament. In light of all that we have studied we can confidently know that they have nothing to do with the Calvinistic idea of predestined to salvation or damnation. Furthermore, in almost all of the cases, understanding them to be a reference to the Jews, Gods chosen people, is warranted. Lets briefly consider those remaining. When Jesus spoke of God avenging His own elect who cry out day and night to Him, (Luke 18:7) He was talking about the Jews. Rufus, chosen in the Lord, (Rom 16:13) may be speaking of him being Jewish. This would make the most sense given that of the many other (obviously) believing brothers and sisters in the chapter, only Rufus is called elect. Why would Paul refer to only him as being elect, if the Calvinistic definition of election were true? Were the others not also heirs of eternal life? Understanding that elect/election is not salvation and is generally a reference to the Jews the passage makes complete sense. It must be noted that Priscilla and Aquila, from Rome, were also Jewish and yet were not called elect. Could it be that because Paul had nothing else to say about Rufus that he simply stated that he was chosen/elect in the Lord? Ephesians 1:4 ought to be viewed in light of the chosen people, Israel: just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,” (Eph 1:4). We know that Paul traveled to Ephesus and there spent three months reasoning with the Jews in the synagogues (Acts 19:1-8). Thus, Ephesians seems to be once again, for the Jew first and then the Gentile paradigm.”
Ephesians 1:4-5 does not support Calvinism***
See, here is where a person must look to the whole and not the part. The ASSUMPTION is that Paul is speaking to the Jews. How that assumption is made, I’ll never know. If you were to look just a few, only a few words above Ephesians 1:4, you would find that...GASP... Paul wrote this letter TO BELIEVERS IN EPHESUS, not to Jews. When he says “Just as he chose US”... Paul was talking to CHRISTIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Provide the Scriptures that state that God chooses who will accept Christ, and who will not. God said:
You'll have to find Scripture that contradicts the above to make your belief work. Good luck.
Now you got me confused. Then there IS a list. God has it.
Provide the supporting Scriptures.
Jesus was speaking to a Jewish audience in Matthew 24. His "elect" in Matthew 24 refers to Jewish and Tribulation believers after the Tribulation is finished. The Church had not yet been established at the time Jesus spoke to His disciples in Matthew 24 and Matthew 24 does not refer to the Church or to Christians.
Matthew 24 does not validate Calvinism.
If the Scripture states that Paul traveled to Ephesus and there spent three months reasoning with the Jews in the synagogues (Acts 19:1-8), who would he be speaking to?
“choose you this day whom you will serve, as for me and my house we will serve the Lord”
When you follow the “mans free will” point of view, it relies on man to weigh both sides of the equation and through his superior intellect decide which team to pick. It also puts God in the position of a cheerleader saying “Pick me, Pick me” (I stand at the door and knock, knock, knock”). Kind of make Him look inept, doesn’t it. But the Bible tells me that all my works (including any choice I might make) are like filthy rags. I cant get to the Father by works (of making a choice)....Calvinism takes the spotlight off of men, and onto God.
Through Adam, we were all destined to hell. The fact that Jesus saved SOME doesn’t mean he destined the rest of us to hell, Adam did that. God is a loving God, but also a just God.
***Provide the Scriptures that state that God chooses who will accept Christ, and who will not. ***
Once again, you must read a little further... John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.”
Amen. This I believe, also.
You are SOOOOOO funny. Jesus was speaking to JEWS because that was what was there at the time. There weren’t any CHRISTIANS yet.
Jesus NEVER spoke to CHRISTIANS, because they were not there.
What you are says, therefore, is that we do not need to read the Bible, just the parts that specifically speak to “Christians”. Nonsense. The whole Bible is for God’s followers, even the “Jewish” parts.
Right. Christ died for the world, the Holy Spirit woos the unbeliever, the unbeliever chooses to respond to the Holy Spirit or to reject the conviction of the Holy Spirit, and those who make the choice to accept Christ spend eternity with Him.
This verse does not contradict those I posted which states that Jesus died for the entire world, nor does it validate Calvinism.
I have no idea.
***Now you got me confused. Then there IS a list. God has it.
Provide the supporting Scriptures.***
The Book of GiovannaNicoletta 1:1
Of course. Hes God and knows past, present and future.
If we are saved by grace thru election, there is no need for a gospel call at all. There is no reason to command anyone to believe, if believe is given irresistibly to some and denied forever to others.
We do not access God’s grace by election, but by believing (”Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand...”).
Elect is what we are IN CHRIST. Folks tend to ignore that phrase, since it is related to a tribal approach to society. Yet it is one of the most important phrases in the scripture. In Christ, we have everything Christ has. For example: “he chose us in him before the foundation of the world”. Most Calvinists ignore the words IN CHRIST, and turn it into ‘he chose us before the foundation of the world” - but that isn’t what it says.
We are saved by grace thru faith - and saving faith is NEVER called a gift in scripture. Not by grace thru election, but by grace thru faith. The critical issue is not a list of names, but believing: “He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
Further, we believe to live, we do not live to believe. John 20 says, “these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.”
Believing gives us life. We are not given life so we can believe.
Consider the examples of healing:
Mat 9:22 Jesus turned, and seeing her he said, “Take heart, daughter; your faith has made you well.” And instantly the woman was made well.
Mat 9:29 Then he touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith be it done to you.”
Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered her, “O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed instantly.
Mar 2:5 And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “My son, your sins are forgiven.”
The problem with Calvinism is that it is based on our being ‘dead’ in our sins, without understanding what ‘dead’ means. It ignores the verses about our being blind, or slaves, or children, and makes us all totally dead. It ignores the Prodigal Son:
” 17”But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my fathers hired servants have more than enough bread, but I perish here with hunger! 18I will arise and go to my father, and I will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you...
...22But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet. 23And bring the fattened calf and kill it, and let us eat and celebrate. 24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.’ And they began to celebrate.” - Luke 15
In Matthew 24, Jesus was speaking to a Jewish audience of the events of the Tribulation that Israel would have to go through. Since the Church will not be on earth during the Tribulation, but Israel will be, Jesus, again, was telling His Jewish audience what the Jews could expect during the Tribulation.
The Church had not yet been established at that time, and there is nothing in the Matthew 24 test which indicates that we are to take those passages as referring to the Church.
So, when that Scripture is taken in it's proper context, we know that the "elect" in Matthew 24 does not refer to the Church because the Church will have already been taken off the scene before the Tribulation.
There is no Scriptural justification for replacing the intended focus of Matthew 24, which is Israel, with the Church.
Seems to me that passage says no one can come unless drawn, but it doesn’t that that all who are drawn come, does it?
So it’s no different than saying “no one can enter through this gate unless I unlock it”, but it doesn’t mean that once unlocked everyone will go through, there will be some who choose not to go through, just as there might be those who are drawn but resist and don’t come. But Jesus will only raise those who are drawn and who do come to him.
Can't you find the Scriptures to support your beliefs?
Explain Romans 8:29-30.
He foreknew... Jesus knew from the beginning of time who would be saved.
He predestined... Jesus determined our destiny before the beignning of creation.
He called... Jesus called us, not we calling God.
He justified... Jesus justified his own by dying on the cross.
He glorified... Jesus give glory to those he knew, he died for, he justified... note also the tense of the words. It isn’t something in the future, but something that has already happened, before we were born, before we died, before we became his children, Jesus glorified us.
We had nothing to do with it.
As for the gospel call... Jesus uses many things to bring his own to him. I have been used as a tool this way to bring someone to Christ. We do not know whom God has chosen, that is why we MUST tell others about Christ.
You do realize that there is only one place in scripture where faith is termed a ‘work’:
8Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” - John 6
And in that passage, belief is a ‘work’ Jesus orders us to do!
In every other passage, faith is CONTRASTED with the works of man.
Also, saving faith is never described as something God gives us (a gift), but always our response to His grace.
“I cant get to the Father by works (of making a choice)”
Actually, you can come to him no other way. Repent means to change your mind. And we are commanded to repent. If we do not repent and believe, we will die.
Mat 21:32 “For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him. And even when you saw it, you did not afterward change your minds and believe him.
Mar 16:14 Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen.
Hard to condemn someone for not believing, if that means you failed to give them belief!
Act 11:21 And the hand of the Lord was with them, and a great number who believed turned to the Lord.
Jhn 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Jhn 3:15 “that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:18 “Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Jhn 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
Jhn 6:40 “For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Jhn 6:47 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
Jhn 7:38 “Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”
Act 4:4 But many of those who had heard the word believed, and the number of the men came to about five thousand.
Act 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Rom 3:22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:
Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
Rom 4:5 And to the one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Rom 4:24 but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,
Rom 9:33 as it is written, “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
Gal 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Please note that last verse: “so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law”
We have believed, not “We received belief”. We have done something. What? Believed. Why? To be justified by faith in Christ”.
If we are saved by grace thru election, God is a liar.
Other verses say that Jesus will not lose one of his own. That know one the Father gives to him will be lost. If I had time, I could find them, but I am at work and doing all this from memory. Well, most of it :>)