Skip to comments.My Faith: Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), from Catholic to Muslim
Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress, said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
But someone said to me, Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harborthis might be a news story.
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
I just felt it was ritual and dogma, Ellison said. Of course, thats not the reality of Catholicism, but its the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.
It wasnt until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, looking for other things.
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Where did I say it was? That wasn't in my post at all.
If I said anything nice to you, I take it back. And I don't think pnsn is a male. I am waiting for all y'all to be open to the HS enough to let Him convict you concerning sin and righteousness and judgement.
Corinthians does, however have a lovely little sermon on love. God, as you may recall from your reading and study, IS Love.
Uh, that's against the rules...You can't have it back...
Sarcasm is demeaning. This is an honest theological discussion.
Our Lord opened the gates of heaven on the cross. He did not guarantee anyone’s entrance. Entrance must be earned. God the Father is Just and this is justice.
Thanks for posting that Romans 4 passage. That is a powerful passage.
You need to address that comment to God. Its not we who convert. God draws people to Him as He chooses. We can only point the way.
Why not take a look at the current data before making comments which question your knowledge and credibility?.Oh that's right you have never seen this documentation but still divine its content. That appears normal for your type since it appears you follow the same tactic when addressing religious topics
If you had comprehended what I wrote you would have understood it is the 990 which contains the data from which one can make cogent statements. Many statisticians do so and write internal reports for the Service which are used to make informed statements. One does not need to look at the documentation but can rely on the reports of the professionals to make credible comments.
It is important to understand the need to make educated statements as to secure credibility. Your self serving uncorroborated statements only serves to diminish your credibility.
Once you have read the Pub and the attendant 990 and the internal reports you will be able to talk in an informed manner about such areas in which you have no knowledge.
One operative phrase word for you is "Empirical evidence" and the measure of your position has been taken and found bankrupt in possessing this key ingredient both in the spiritual and secular areas.
Have a firm grasp of the subject matter and do research before making comments which are making your thoughts appear foolish
Another key ingredient is humility. Unlike this current matter it would bode well for you to read and act on Lk 14:11
Our Lord opened the gates of heaven on the cross. He did not guarantee anyones entrance. Entrance must be earned. God the Father is Just and this is justice.So, then, would it be fair to say, that your salvation is based upon Baptism, the sacraments, and good works? You will be judged on the amount of good works you perform and how good you were at refraining from sin?
The NT includes many things that aren't in the OT, but are claimed. For instance:
Matthew 2: 23* g He went and dwelt in a town called Nazareth, so that what had been spoken through the prophets might be fulfilled, He shall be called a Nazorean.
There is in fact no OT quotation that says this.
As well, there are inconsistencies and numerous misquotes of OT verses. Matthew 27: 3-10 is quoted from Zechariah, but it actually comes from Jeremiah.
Even the four Gospels do not agree on some things such as what is written above the head of Jesus, or what the events were on Resurrection Sunday. Exactly none of our Bible literalists will even reply to me on such matters because there is no possible reply except to acknowledge that without the Magisterium to interpret the Bible, it cannot make sense.
As we have been instructed most thoroughly by many of our antagonists, Paul is the true source of the Gospels and Jesus and the Gospels (and the first portion of Acts) is to the Jews only. I found several websites that had that as their main theme; I found several others that had that as a basic assumption of what they considered doctrine.
Duelling verses are often on the menu du jour in talking with these folks. They consider that if Jesus says this and Paul says that which appears to be in conflict with what Jesus says, then Paul wins and we should ignore the Gospels.
After coming up with the immaculate conception of Mary, that Mary dispenses all graces and salvation comes thru Mary, and that your pope is infallible, or any of the outrageous ideas your religion makes up for itself, how could you criticize any religion on the face of the earth???
You are a poster boy for the Reformation, Iscool and we thank you daily for it.
There were not any secular authorities...They were all Catholic...
Yes of course - this makes sense- it is logical - Why not?? Although it wouldn’t be “amount” of good works as an accountant might add up - it would be the true intentions of the soul/heart/intellect as choices are made throughout life.
God will judge and it will be based upon the works done in this life.
Our Lord opened the gates of heaven on the cross. He did not guarantee anyones entrance. Entrance must be earned. God the Father is Just and this is justice.
Welcome to the forum. But, be warned. You now have the problem of 1 Peter 5:8, but you are not alone. All of we Christians share in this struggle.
It's rude to point. Christians follow Christ. They don't point imperiously to others. Next, please.
You caused me to weep uncontrollably in front of my keyboard. Thank you.
I DID address that comment to God. He drew me to the Catholic Church. Your argument is with Him, not me.
Do you mean 1 Peter 5:10 (Douay Reims) ... Jesus, after you have suffered a little will himself perfect you and confirm you and establish you ...?
Peter is saying that naturally we can’t do the works alone - He (the Lord) will help us because the devil is around to devour.
It does not mean that we are absolved of responsibilty for our own salvation.
Thanks- this is a great forum although this thread should be broken down because it has become unwieldy.
I had you and all other Protestants in mind when I made the comment. We hear daily criticism of the Magisterium and the Catholics who give credence to it from the anti-Catholics on this forum but know that they each have some homemade or dime store magisterium of their own.
It really comes down not to authority but obedience and the different interpretations of that term. Protestants maintain a self centered view of the world and see obedience as a degrading concept, like a dog responding to its masters commands and "protest" against Church authority. Catholics, on the other hand, are called to obey Church authority and happily do so because we know definition of obey is not blind subservience. Our Catechism defines it as (CCC-144) "To obey (from the Latin ob-audire, to "hear or listen to") in faith is to submit freely to the word that has been heard, because its truth is guaranteed by God, who is Truth.So every time any Protestant slams the Magisterium and insists that everything spiritual must be extracted explicitly from Scripture, while relying on cheap imitations of a magisterium in the form of sermons from the the Rev. Billy-Bob Rolex, Bible College courses, banned websites and comic books, Reformist catechisms and treatises, we see the lie.
Pointing the way to you means pointing at others? Seriously? Christians are only to point to Christ as the way to salvation. As in giving direction, pointing towards Him who has purchase our salvation for us.
So are you satisfied that your works have earned your entrance into heaven?
Mary is the only one who did any effective pointing. You can say you point the way to Christ, but you don't, you point AT Catholics. That is the behavior of a bully. I don't see you GIVING anything. I see you demanding that everyone be in lock step with your views alone. And you criticize the Catholic Church!
At the hypothetical Council of Jamnia ca. 90 AD in reaction to Christianity. The Septuagint, which existed 3 or more centuries before Jamnia contained them.
If you would, consider the Magisterium as a sort of Supreme Court for issues like this. Individual bishops have their opinions, but it is the court that issues the ruling. Same thing with the Bible. Jerome was wrong in a bunch of things and so were Augustine and Aquinas, according to the Magisterium.
That is what separates us from Protestant theology. Individual opinions lead to individual theologies. Hence, the ruin of the Reformation and the rubble of the Restoration.
Of course not!! That means the New Ager atheists who do good works (in their eyes - abortion if the mother wants it is a good work to them - dreadful!)
It is Faith plus works - see Phil 2:12; Mt 10:22; Mt 24:13.
Also consider Mt 7:21; 2 Cor 11:25.
The evidence is overwhelming - Faith alone does not bring salvation - Works alone don’t either
It is both - why wouldn’t it be, logically?
Faith in what, stonehouse01?
I forgot to finish the first sentence - The New Ager atheists who (think) they do good works are not saved.
This dispensation/ rapture mumbo jumbo is the product of fertile imaginations which worship themselves not Jesus our savior.
This dispensation/rapture/ Harold Camping/Ring of Fire/188 day infatuation resembles the New Age Atheist nonsense which Jesus instructed us to root out of our lives.
If you read the posts of the antiCatholics even on this thread, Christ is not who they are pointing to. Most of the posts of the antiCatholics point to themselves. Read them with fresh eyes and see if I'm wrong.
Usual phrases. I'm saved. I'm Christian. I'm going to be Raptured. I'm His. I'm assured. My personal saviour. My walk with Christ. My personal salvation. My interpretation of Scripture. My beliefs. Mine, mine, mine. And so on.
I, I, I, me, me, me.
Read this or any other thread that contends between Catholics and Protestants. At random.
Compare and contrast between the acquiesence of Catholics to God and His Church and that of Protestants. I will leave it up to you, of course. But focus in on certain key words that highlight the difference in the approach and acceptance by the individual of Almighty God.
There are of course, certain Catholics here who are highly Protestantized, but if you read with an objective eye, I think that you will be able to pick out the differences in posting as a result of very different theologies. I would invite converts to the Faith to comment on this in order to illustrate what I am saying.
YOPIOS is not simply a mudslinging term.
Faith in the Trinity - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit
Extremely well said.
The Bible does not contradict itself. Those who attempt to twist one dispensation into another, and become a group of people who they are not, nor ever will be, are the ones who cannot seem to come to terms with What God says, When He says it, and Why He says it. Attaching themselves like barnacles to a boat, they cling to the ship of fallible fools AKA the magisterium, and there they gather for a lifetime of feeding until the hull is rusted through and the boat sinks into a rubble of rot. And barnacles.
What type of faith in the Trinity? Do you mean believing in the Trinity? Because even Satan believes. Knows. So faith cannot be just believing in the Trinity. It must be another faith. A saving faith. Otherwise it seems Satan could be saved. And we all know that isn't so.
If Jesus told the apostles in Mt 24 36-37 that the end time knowledge is reserved to the Father how then can you be so bold to assert that the answer is " One thousand years after the battle of Armageddon"?
Are you manufacturing scripture or are you lacking this indwelling of the Holy Spirit but have an indwelling of some other type of spirit?
So if you reject the reformers you then must rely on the Church who preserved the written words of the Savior. Is what we have here a closet Catholic?
What a startling revelation. How interesting
So heaven, according to your assertions, will have no Jews?
Would you feel more comfortable in in the Mel Gibson camp of thought after your previous renunciation of the reformers and replacement theology ideas?
How did Mary point the way to Christ? >>I see you demanding that everyone be in lock step with your views alone.<<
I dont demand anything. I simply illustrate what I believe scripture says. I dont convict anyone or condemn anyone. If the scriptures I point to seem to cause you to feel bullied could it be because you arent secure in your beliefs? Never have I felt bullied simply because someone disagrees with me. I am totally at peace with my beliefs and free from any guilt there is no condemnation to them which are in Christ.
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
I am already right with God as Luke shows in Acts.
Acts 13:39 Everyone who believes in him is declared right with Godsomething the law of Moses could never do.
No one can cause me guilt or think to condemn me for my faith.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." [John 5:24]
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." [Rom. 8:1]
Have you been freed from the guilt of sin? Are you at peace with your faith in Christ? If you are, there is not one thing anyone can do too cause you to feel bullied, inferior, or guilty.
>>And you criticize the Catholic Church!<<
Absolutely. I will continue to speak out about false teaching
We all have a Point of View.
So enlighten us as to how the homemade and dime-store magisteriums the Protestants turn to to interpret Scripture and define doctrine, such as pastors educated at the Po-dunk Theological College of Enlightenment and Air Conditioning Repair, forbidden websites, comic book publications, wikipedia, prophetic radio shows, televangelist tent and TV shows and the various catechisms and publications of the Reformation, is superior to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.
I said faith - I never mentioned belief. Faith has a different connotation than belief.
Faith has its roots in the Latin word fides - Trust is among its nuanced meanings.
Faith in the Trinity means trusting in its saving power. Is that what you meant by (a) saving faith? If so, that is what I meant, as well.
Then why don't you tell me what is written over the head of Jesus on the Cross? Why don't you find the OT prophecy that says that Jesus will be a Nazarene?
Without the interpretation of those who wrote and commissioned the Bible, you cannot give me a credible answer. Thus, you haven't. Will you ignore it forever and cling to your mistaken message that the magisterium of one (smvoice) has the authority to ignore it and the claim that the Bible is infallible (regardless of four different descriptions) and also ignore the fact that the Magisterium is the only entity authorized to interpret the Bible infallibly?
I await your reply with bated breath.
In the magical world of every 3 year old, there should be no difference between what they want it to be and what it actually is. When there is a discrepancy, they either claim that there actually isn't one, or else they stamp their feet and wail loudly that life isn't faaaaaaiiiiirrrrrrrr.........
Very astute. And correct.
Faith has its roots in the Latin word fides - Trust is among its nuanced meanings. Faith in the Trinity means trusting in its saving power. Is that what you meant by (a) saving faith? If so, that is what I meant, as well.
A fascinating question. I look forward to the forthcoming and prompt answer.
Isnt it wonderful what Christ has given to us!
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid. (John 14:27)
Not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. (Matthew 19:11)
Jesus gives us faith (ie belief).
Matthew 9:22 Jesus turned and saw her. "Take heart, daughter," he said, "your faith has healed you." And the woman was healed from that moment.
God gave us Jesus and with it everlasting life.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
God gave us freedom from condemnation.
John3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Even salvation is a gift from God. It is ours!
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
He then promises another gift!
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Let us analyze wheat admissions have been entered. Most are proud to have crammed five and a half years of learning into four but you are to first to take pride in cramming four years of study into five and a half years. Is this some attempt to reach a level of humility demanded by Jesus in Mt 23:12?
What Bible college did you attend and what theological persuasion did they impart?
Remember 9/15 is an important date for some and might well portend the rapture. Maybe you and Harold Camping and the brain dead MTV rappers can in unity proclaim the rapture while traveling together singing the blues.
Although they rail agains the authority of the Church, as I said in an earlier post it, really comes down not to authority but obedience and the different interpretations of that term.
Like the three-year-olds you referred to, Protestants maintain a self centered view of the world and see obedience as a degrading concept, like a dog responding to its masters commands and "protest" against Church authority.
Catholics, on the other hand, are called to obey Church authority and happily do so because we know definition of obey is not blind subservience. Our Catechism defines it as (CCC-144) "To obey (from the Latin ob-audire, to "hear or listen to") in faith is to submit freely to the word that has been heard, because its truth is guaranteed by God, who is Truth.
So every time any Protestant slams the Magisterium and insists that everything spiritual must be extracted explicitly from Scripture, while relying on cheap imitations of a magisterium in the form of sermons from the the Rev. Billy-Bob Rolex, Bible College courses, banned websites and comic books, Reformist catechisms and treatises, we see the lie.
It certainly is. Yet, as the father of six, I get a strange sense of deja vu every time I read Protestant post along the lines of what I am referring to. A sense of gimme. A sense of me, all me. A sense of mine, all mine. A sense of entitlement. A sense of I, I, I, me, me, me.
You know the brats as well as I - the ones who have no gratitude and simply want more and more and more and yet sneer at everyone else because they have all these things. It is all about them. Period. Infantile egocentrism is the term and I believe that it applies to many more than would accept it upon them themselves.
We Catholics acquiese to God. We submit. We are grateful and do not seek to reinvent God or the understanding of God.
That is the difference between Church theologians and armchair Protestants. Church theologians seek to better understand God. Armchair Protestants seek to invent new ways to describe God.
. I will assume that you have scanned at least a portion of some threads after this time. Have my words any validity? Is there a difference between Catholics and Protestants in attitude and in their view of God?
Is there less infantile egocentrism among Catholic posts on this or other threads? Is it less about the individual and more about God? We don't name it and claim it, you see. We acquiese to God and leave it up to Him.
After the battle of Armageddon comes the thousand year reign.
Rev. 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Then comes Armageddon.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Then the end of this world and the new heaven and a new earth.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
We then see the book of life you so cavalierly made sport of.
Revelation 21:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Who do you think wrote the books of the New Testament?
So would you finally show me where God told you about the bodily assumption of Mary that you acquiesce to?
Im sorry you dont claim the gifts of God that He clearly has said were gifts to us. Praise His name!