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Glenn Beck's "pure personal truth," Part 1 [Real Mormonism]
RenewAmerica.com ^ | Sept. 6, 2011 | Marsha West

Posted on 09/06/2011 8:15:09 AM PDT by Colofornian

By Marsha West

Here Glenn Beck goes again, claiming he's a Christian, this time at Restoring Courage 2011 — Jerusalem. Glenn gets upset when anyone questions his Christianity. That's weird because he's a Mormon who affirms the official teaching of Mormonism aka the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS). The LDS outright deny many of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith. Moreover, LDS doctrine contradicts what Scripture teaches. So of course there are Christians who feel Beck's not a true follower of Jesus Christ — not the Jesus of the Bible anyway. When his "I'm a Christian" claim is held up to scrutiny Glenn gets his knickers in a knot. At the rally he choked up with emotion and said in an accusatory tone that only Christians question his salvation.

Poor Glenn. He's so misunderstood.

People are wondering, and rightly so, how a Mormon in good standing can also be an evangelical. I mean, Glenn has no plans to leave his church any time soon. Sure, that could change — and hopefully it will. But right now his wagon is hitched to the LDS and he's in it for the long haul.

What many people fail to understand is that Mormonism is a religion. It is not the same religion as Christianity, not even close, yet they say they're Christians. Take the time to study their Doctrine and Covenants and you'll find their beliefs are very different from historic, orthodox Christianity, especially when it comes to the essentials of the faith. Undeniably Mormons have high moral standards as do Christians. Mormons are right up there with evangelicals and Catholics in fighting the culture war. They oppose abortion on demand, same-sex "marriage" and have many of the same cultural concerns as other people of faith do. One thing's for sure: When it comes to fighting the culture war Mormons put their money where their mouth is, whereas a large number of evangelicals and Catholics are more prone to let sleeping dogs lie.

In his article Is Glenn Beck a Christian Matt Slick acquaints us with a few LDS beliefs:

— There is a mother goddess, (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443).

— After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-347, 354).

— God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321).

— The Trinity is three separate gods, (James Talmage, Articles of Faith, p. 35).

— God the Father has a body of flesh and bones, (Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22).

— God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children, (Mormon Doctrine p. 516)

The Bible does not teach any of this! It's what the founder of Mormonism Joseph Smith and Mormon prophets taught. What does Scripture really teach? Matt explains:

Christianity, which is based on the Bible, says there is only one God (Isa. 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5); that God is a Trinity of persons, not three gods; that God has always been God (Psalm 90:2); that God knows of no other gods (Is. 44:8); that you cannot become a god (Isa. 43:10); and that God is spirit (John 4:24). This contradicts Mormonism. Therefore, Mormonism is not biblical, and not Christian. If Glen Beck holds to the teachings listed above, then he is not Christian.

All of this begs the question: Why do evangelical leaders choose to team up with a Mormon? More specifically why did historian David Barton of Wall Builders, Attorney Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel, Mike Evans of Jerusalem Prayer Team, and Pastor John Hagee join Glenn at the Restoring Courage rally?

California megachurch pastor Jim Garlow said, "I have interviewed persons who have talked specifically with Glenn about his personal salvation — persons extremely well known in Christianity — and they have affirmed (using language evangelicals understand), 'Glenn is saved,'" Garlow reported. "He understands receiving Christ as savior." (Online source)

David Barton stunned the audience when he went on Live TV and told host Randy Robison (here) that just because Beck attends a Mormon church "doesn't say anything about his personal relationship with Jesus." Which Jesus? The counterfeit Jesus of Mormonism or the Jesus of the Bible? Barton worries that "a lot of people judge Glenn on the label, he's Mormon." He wants us to ignore the Mormon label, says he doesn't care about the label. The host probed: "You believe he's a Christian in every sense of the word?" Without flinching Barton replied, "I do. I have literally watched him pray and hear from the Lord and turn on a dime." He thinks Glenn is hearing from the God of the Bible...but is he, really?

I have a challenge for David Barton: Read Glenn's book The Seven Wonders That Will Change Your Life co-authored with Dr. Keith Ablow. In the book he lays out his "pure personal truth." (In part 2 I'll shed light on Glenn's view of "truth.")

The Lord Jesus said, "You must be born again" (John 3:3, 5, 7, 8, 1 Peter 1:3) to qualify as a Christian. Muslims do not believe Jesus was God, they believe He was the last prophet sent by God. They respect him as much as they respect Abraham, Moses and Muhammad. Are Muslims Christians? No. New Agers are pantheists. For them God is all, all is God. They hold that "Jesus was a highly evolved man who realized his inner divinity — the Christ Consciousness — demonstrating that all men could achieve this." Are they Christians? No.

I am a woman. I can call myself a man, but my DNA proves otherwise.

Recently Larry Klayman, founder of Judicial Watch and Freedom Watch, wrote an article to show his support for Restoring Courage. "So it came to pass," said Klayman who is an evangelical, "that Glenn pulled off a magnificent spectacle, bringing Christians and Jews from all parts of the globe together to show their courage in supporting Israel." (Online source) Glenn also brought many Mormons. Why did Klayman not mention them? If Beck was a Muslim would he have left that out of his article? No, he wouldn't have. What he probably would have said was, "Glenn pulled off a magnificent spectacle, bringing Muslims, Christians and Jews from all parts of the globe together..." Surely Klayman would have included "Muslim" if a Muslim organized and hosted the rally!

Giving Larry Klayman the benefit of the doubt, he probably thinks Mormons are Christians because they have a habit of saying they are. It doesn't help that Christian luminaries such as Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, Bishop Harry Jackson who presides over one of the largest African American churches on the East coast and Jim Garlow (referred to above) stood with him at his 2010 rally in Washington D.C. and as I mentioned earlier, other noted evangelicals stood with him in Israel. These men don't seem to have a problem with the fact that even though Glenn says he's a Christian he remains a member of the LDS Church. As a matter of fact, the tour company he recommended to those attending his big shindig is owned by Mormons. Jack Kinsella went to the Israel event and claims this is something he concealed. In a piece he wrote Stolen Blessings: The LDS Connection he says LDS Travel is "identical in every respect to Voyager Travel, except that LDS Travel makes it clear that it is a Latter Days Saints Church operation." Jack was irked that sincere Christians that took Glenn's advice to use Voyager Travel inadvertently contributed to the advancement of Mormonism.

After all the brouhaha over whether or not Glenn Beck is a Christian I do hope our Christian leaders, some of whom are clergy, others attorneys, will not just take his word for it. I hope they'll dig deep into LDS doctrine to find out what Mormons believe. The Bible warns:

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try [test] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (1John 4:1)

Believers must test to see if LDS teaching is true or false. For example, do the Latter-day Saints really teach that God has a body of flesh and bones as Matt Slick claimed? Let's visit the LDS Gospel Library Gospel Topics to see if it's true or false:

God the Father is the Supreme Being in whom we believe and whom we worship. He is the ultimate Creator, Ruler, and Preserver of all things. He is perfect, has all power, and knows all things. He "has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's" (D&C 130:22). (Bold added.)

Yep, Matt was right.

No doubt some Beck fans will be annoyed that I'm "attacking" their hero. I hope you're annoyed enough to research Mormonism (links below) and to go and look at Scripture to see if what I'm saying here is true.

I must digress for a moment to explain why I'm writing a piece on Glenn Beck. Some of the subjects I cover in my column are politics, the culture war, and religion which include the cults, the occult, and a potpourri of aberrant movements within Christianity. My aim is to unearth unbiblical teaching and bring it to light. The reason I do it is because there's a stunning lack of discernment in Christendom that I find deeply troubling.

For many years I was one of those Christians who blazed my own trail. My belief system was decidedly New Age but I called myself a Christian nonetheless. My worldview was anything but Christian, I was a New Age/gnostic/mystic/mess. I professed Christ, yet I rarely read the Bible and when I did I'd find fault in most of what I read. When my Christian mother challenged me on my goofy beliefs I'd snap back, "You believe what you want I'll believe what I want!" And I believed what I wanted for decades! I won't go into all that was wrong with my beliefs now. I'll just say that I was a very eclectic "Christian." And that's mainly because I was influenced by my friends, most of whom were not Christians, and also by the postmodern culture I grew up in. My mother's death and a nasty divorce were the two events that caused me to reassess my life.

That's a whole other subject, so I'll move on.

Providentially God put me in a job where I met and became friends with true believers. My new friends challenged my esoteric beliefs and urged me to read the works of conservative Christian theologians, philosophers and apologists. They also urged me to find a church, read the Bible and get involved in a Bible study. I took their advice.

Realizing its serious business to be a follower of Jesus Christ, I spent most of my free time trying to sort out what I believed and why I believed it. One of the first books I read was Ray C. Stedman's Authentic Christianity. What an eye-opener that was! Then I moved on to John White's The Cost of Commitment and other books by White. But the book that shook me to my core was R.C. Sproul's The Holiness of God. I highly recommend it.

I also read books on the New Age movement (NAM) written by Christian authors who warned of its dangers. I devoured Kingdom of the Cults by Dr. Walter Martin. There's no doubt reading his books and listening to his audio tapes gave me insight into the cults and the occult.

So, why am I sharing my personal journey? I want readers to know where I'm coming from and why I'm committed to exposing false teachers. When I bring to light false teaching/ teachers/ preachers/church leaders, what Jesus called "ravenous wolves," I do it for one simple reason: Wolves influenced my thinking for many years and the unbiblical beliefs I held prevented me from maturing in my faith.

One of my HUGE regrets is that I influenced those around me with all the New Age/gnostic/pagan/psychobabble I was into. I mean, why not? The beliefs I latched onto seemed right for everyone! (Sounds like Oprah, doesn't it?) In < a href="http://www.emailbrigade.com/331.html">The Purpose Driven dismantling of Christianity, part 1 I call this sort of Christianity "syncretism stew," which is Christianity plus... paganism...mysticism... new revelation...signs & wonders...Jungian psychology...man-centered self-esteem... Twelve-steps...universalism (all roads lead to God)... and, thanks to Rick Warren, global peace. This concoction may sound nourishing, but it causes spiritual malnutrition!

Those who believe God enlightens some and not others and that they have some sort of secret knowledge have been drawn into the heresy that the early church faced and defeated, namely gnosticism. Once again the Gnostic Gospel has reared its ugly head.

Christianity never has been nor is it now meant to be some sort of esoteric experience. And besides, going down that road leads to spiritual pride. Authentic Christianity entails a daily walk with the Lord Jesus Christ and obedience to his commands. (John 14:15) It is that simple. The only way we can truly know God is through what He has revealed to us in the Bible. If the Bible is not true, if it is just a book of myths and fables as some say it is, if it's not the way God reveals who He is and His ways to us anyone can claim to have the indisputable truth about God.

Stay tuned for Part 2 ... You'll discover Glenn Beck's "pure persona truth."

Recommended Reading:

Beliefs and practices of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — Wikipedia

The "God" of Glenn Beck — By Ken Silva

How to be right with God — "What must I do to be saved?" — By David Wheaton

Audio:

Evangelicals and Glenn Beck's New Age Mormonism — VCY America radio broadcast hosted by Brannon Howse, 2/28/11

Video:

Glenn Beck's (ecumenical) "Restoring Courage" speech from Israel

Mormon Beliefs:

Quote from LDS.org: And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God [LDS], and the other is the church of the devil [Christendom]; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. 1 Nephi, 14:10 Book of Mormon

Quote from LDS.org: LDS Church President Lorenzo Snow expressed the nature of the Father in his couplet, "As man is, God once was — and as God is, man may become."

Salvation:

[A]s the Agent of the Father and Judge of all, Christ is able to be both merciful and just (John 5:22; Romans 2:16). To obtain His mercy, or be saved from His wrath, or indigation [sic], on the day of judgment, men and women must (1) have faith in Christ, (2) repent of their sins, (3) be baptized by one of His authorized agents in water in the likeness of His burial, to come forth born again of the Spirit, (4) receive the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, again by an authorized servant of God bearing His priesthood, and (5) endure in faith in Christ and repentance from sins to the end of their mortal lives. (Online Source)

After Death:

The nature of that body...will depend on the result of the Last Judgment, at which Jesus will assign each soul to one of three degrees of glory (heavenly kingdoms): the celestial kingdom in the presence of the Father and the Son for those who accept Jesus Christ and receive all LDS saving ordinances, either as a mortal or by proxy; the terrestrial kingdom, a place of glory in the presence of Christ for righteous persons who refuse to receive the saving ordinances and for those who do not keep the covenants they commit to; and the telestial kingdom for the wicked. A further destination, called outer darkness, is reserved for Satan, his devils, and those mortals who commit the unpardonable sin and thereby become the sons of perdition.[61] Those who are ultimately destined for the telestial kingdom will be those who suffer for their sins in hell; however, these persons remain in hell only the 1000 years during the millennial reign of Christ, after which they will exit hell and be resurrected with an immortal body into a state of peace. (Online Source)

© Marsha West


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From the article: Here Glenn Beck goes again, claiming he's a Christian, this time at Restoring Courage 2011 — Jerusalem. Glenn gets upset when anyone questions his Christianity. That's weird because he's a Mormon who affirms the official teaching of Mormonism aka the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS). The LDS outright deny many of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith. Moreover, LDS doctrine contradicts what Scripture teaches. So of course there are Christians who feel Beck's not a true follower of Jesus Christ — not the Jesus of the Bible anyway. When his "I'm a Christian" claim is held up to scrutiny Glenn gets his knickers in a knot. At the rally he choked up with emotion and said in an accusatory tone that only Christians question his salvation. Poor Glenn. He's so misunderstood.

Ah. The common Mormon PR line these days. "We're so misunderstood." "So many 'myths' out there about Mormonism."

Yet when you check under the Mormon hood, there they still are. For example, Mormon belief in polygamy? Mortality (this side of death) - no; immortality - other side of death - yup! Polygamy for people Pre-Jesus coming a second time - well that answer is a bit more complex: Old Testament, yes and no; Book of Mormon times, no; Joseph Smith & other Mormon leaders, yes; post-manifesto on polygamy -- yes, but only on the sly side for about 20 years; then no; then, finally, when the Mormon Jesus returns, yes, per Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie in his church-owned Deseret Book published book.

But of even greater import than the ever-oscillating Mormon doctrine of poly-wives is it's belief in poly-gods. Sorry, Christianity acknowledges one God. Judaism acknowledges one God. Islam acknowledges one God. Ancient religions like Zoroastrianism acknowledges one God. Even ecumenical reductionists like Bahais acknowledge one God.

But Mormonism? Their god was once a man who became a god of this world when a council of gods got together and appointed a man to be the god of this world...and, oh, by the way, you can become a god, too to compete with him for the glory, worship, power, adoration, and honor in the universe.

(And Mormons wonder why people believe that Mormons still embrace polygamy?)

From the article: What many people fail to understand is that Mormonism is a religion. It is not the same religion as Christianity, not even close, yet they say they're Christians. Take the time to study their Doctrine and Covenants and you'll find their beliefs are very different from historic, orthodox Christianity, especially when it comes to the essentials of the faith...No doubt some Beck fans will be annoyed that I'm "attacking" their hero. I hope you're annoyed enough to research Mormonism (links below) and to go and look at Scripture to see if what I'm saying here is true.

This is a highly linked article. So check out the links under "recommended reading" and read for yourself the links to various Mormon beliefs @ the end of the article.

1 posted on 09/06/2011 8:15:18 AM PDT by Colofornian
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From the article: Why do evangelical leaders choose to team up with a Mormon? More specifically why did historian David Barton of Wall Builders, Attorney Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel, Mike Evans of Jerusalem Prayer Team, and Pastor John Hagee join Glenn at the Restoring Courage rally? … I have a challenge for David Barton: Read Glenn's book The Seven Wonders That Will Change Your Life co-authored with Dr. Keith Ablow. In the book he lays out his "pure personal truth." (In part 2 I'll shed light on Glenn's view of "truth.")

Well, David Barton’s gone off the deep end of discernment.

From the article: As a matter of fact, the tour company he [Beck] recommended to those attending his big shindig is owned by Mormons. Jack Kinsella went to the Israel event and claims this is something he concealed. In a piece he wrote Stolen Blessings: The LDS Connection he says LDS Travel is "identical in every respect to Voyager Travel, except that LDS Travel makes it clear that it is a Latter Days Saints Church operation." Jack was irked that sincere Christians that took Glenn's advice to use Voyager Travel inadvertently contributed to the advancement of Mormonism.

So, Beck’s shindig in Jerusalem is coordinated by an Lds travel agency that disguised itself as “Voyager Travel” for non-Mormon travelers. Yet they are an Lds agency. An informed decision would have allowed Christians signing up for this to discern if they wanted to give $ to an agency that would turn around and give 10% of its profits to the Mormon church (they tithe on all profits). But no.

Apparently Beck wants the world to think of him as a Christian but doesn’t want the world to think of the travel agencies he uses as “Mormon.” Hmmm…

2 posted on 09/06/2011 8:16:08 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Ho hum. Another thread to incite dislike of Mormons and Mormonism.


3 posted on 09/06/2011 8:21:16 AM PDT by Tax Government (Democrat: "I'm driving to Socialism at 95 mph." Republican: "Observe the speed limit.")
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To: Colofornian
Why the attacks on Beck and Mormonism? He is a threat to the PTB. I would like to know from those claiming that Mormonism and Christianity are two different religions, prove who wrote or edited your holy scripture. The only difference between the two is that one religion is older. Catholicism, Protestantism, Evangelism, and Mormonism are all religions based upon belief in writings by others that CANNOT BE PROVEN.

Secondly, where in the Bible does it condemn polygamy? If the NT does so, then it contradicts the OT, which means God contradicts himself, which means he is not God.

4 posted on 09/06/2011 8:22:15 AM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: Colofornian
mormonISM is not Christianity.

Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints taught,

“We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see. These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.345; also cited in Gospel Principles, p.305).

5 posted on 09/06/2011 8:23:31 AM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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To: leftyontheright

bookmark for later


6 posted on 09/06/2011 8:24:14 AM PDT by leftyontheright
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To: svcw
mormonISM is not Christianity.

Joseph Smith said, “I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the elders for fifteen years” (Discourses of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.35).

7 posted on 09/06/2011 8:25:27 AM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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To: Colofornian

Peepstone, sexual predator of married women placemarker ... if the founding scam artist of mormonism is discussed.


8 posted on 09/06/2011 8:25:31 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Colofornian

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9 posted on 09/06/2011 8:25:47 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Tax Government

Then stay of the religion forum if you don’t like the discussion.


10 posted on 09/06/2011 8:26:54 AM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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To: Colofornian

Get off this Mormon kick.

I’ll believe and follow a Mormon as a leader.

I’ll never believe or follow a Muslim.

I no longer have any respect for them, for their “leaders”, or their “prophet”.


11 posted on 09/06/2011 8:27:55 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: runninglips
Mormons used to claim that their beliefs were completely different from Christianity and they had the restored truth. All other churches are in apostasy according to mormons. Recently, due to a PR campaign, mormons now claim they are Christians. Your premise that there are no differences between Christianity and mormonism is laughable. Polygamy is only one of many differences between the belief systems. Other differences are drastic, such as the nature of God, salvation, etc.
12 posted on 09/06/2011 8:28:37 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: runninglips

Have you ever read the Bible? It appears not otherwise you would not be asking the questions.


13 posted on 09/06/2011 8:28:50 AM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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To: Colofornian

Regardless,

Christian = means belief in Christ — It is absolutely clear that Glen Beck believes in Christ

Anyone who tries to define it otherwise is evil themselves.

You are either with God or against him

You have declared by your attempt to redefine this word as against him and are partners with the deceiver.

I am not a Mormon, I think the religion is bogus, but this attack by twisting the meaning of words is evil in the same way that the devil likes to twist words and meanings.

Be gone


14 posted on 09/06/2011 8:29:11 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Tax Government

Agreed. By their fruits shall you know them—and I’m looking at some pretty good produce.


15 posted on 09/06/2011 8:29:28 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Da Coyote

Get off the Religion forum if you don’t want to discuss religious topics.


16 posted on 09/06/2011 8:30:01 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: Da Coyote

You mean like Reid? Romney, Huntsman are just as liberal as Reid. Why would follow a liberal anywhere?


17 posted on 09/06/2011 8:30:53 AM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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To: Mamzelle

There are many nice Hindus and Buddhists, but that doesn’t mean they know the truth or will go to Heaven.

Doctrinal issues and believing the Truth are very important.


18 posted on 09/06/2011 8:31:50 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: svcw

You know what... Religion is a personal thing. It’s unseemly to attack another religion, unless there is some kind of motivation, in the form of actions that affect you or us. I don’t see what Mormonism does that affects anyone negatively. Just the opposite. I see well-adjusted, practical, responsible Mormons everywhere. I see the benefit Mormonism appears to do, as an organizing principle. And I see benefit in their idea that people evolve into better beings. And so, I applaud Mormonism.


19 posted on 09/06/2011 8:32:14 AM PDT by Tax Government (Democrat: "I'm driving to Socialism at 95 mph." Republican: "Observe the speed limit.")
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To: runninglips

You wrote: “Catholicism, Protestantism, Evangelism, and Mormonism are all religions based upon belief in writings by others that CANNOT BE PROVEN.”

(1) “Evangelism” is NOT a religion...

(2) The Bible has been backed up by THOUSANDS of archeological findings.

(3) Not a single archeological fact has ever disproved the Bible.

(4) The Book of Mormon does NOT have a SINGLE verifiable fact.

That’s the difference.


20 posted on 09/06/2011 8:32:37 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: dila813

You be gone.

Just because one claims to follow Christ doesn’t mean they are a true believer. Jesus even warned his followers about that and about false teachers who lead many astray.

Mormonism is not compatable with Christianity. It teaches many things that are contrary to Christianity but adopts the same terms to confuse people like you.

The OP is following the biblical mandate to warn others about false teachngs.


21 posted on 09/06/2011 8:34:52 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: dila813

“It is absolutely clear that Glen Beck believes in Christ”

Wrong.

That’s like saying you can get a $20 bill made in North Korea and try to spend it here, or anywhere.

It’s a COUNTERFEIT!!!


22 posted on 09/06/2011 8:36:56 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: dila813

Really? Beck (mormonISM) believes in Jesus Christ, nope. Unless you define the mormonISM jesus as a none eternal being, the brother of satan, married, conceived by physical sex between their god (one of many) and Mary. Oh and then their is the part the foundation of mormonIM is that all Christians are an abomination to god (mormonISM) and whores of Babylon.
Yep I can see how you would think Beck believes in the Biblical Jesus. He does not. He does believe that he will become a god, just like all mormonISM teaches.


23 posted on 09/06/2011 8:37:10 AM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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To: Tax Government

Jesus commanded his followers to spread the gospel to all nations and to warn about false teachings (like Mormonism). There are many nice people in the world, but that doesn’t mean they trust in God and will go to Heaven, because we are all lost sinners in need of a savior.

The OP is warning people of the errors of mormonism and desires those who have been deceived, like you, to embrace biblical Christianity. Trust Jesus as your Lord and savior to obtain forgiveness of sins.


24 posted on 09/06/2011 8:38:14 AM PDT by Turtlepower
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To: Colofornian

As a lifelong, evangelical Christian I can state unequivocally that I believe Glenn Beck does good work and that I admire him for it. However, his Mormon religion is what Christians consider false because it contradicts the bible and offers what I consider ridiculous explanations of God, Jesus and other serious spiritual faith issues. His claim to Christianity is definitely on very shaky ground but I haven’t noticed Glenn Beck pushing his Mormon religion on his audience. Although I don’t consider this article an ‘attack’ on Glenn Beck - and it definitely is informative - as a Christian that has always found the LDS organization based on false teachings, I can applaud Beck for what he does without adopting the man’s religion, and I have absolutely no intention of doing so. Should Glenn Beck begin to proselytize for Mormonism he’ll lose me and most of his audience, fast. I hope that doesn’t happen. I also hope that Glenn Beck will come to know the God and Jesus of the bible, obey the Gospel and be saved, something his ersatz religion cannot do.


25 posted on 09/06/2011 8:38:52 AM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: dila813
Are you familiar with the Bible passage describing when satan tried to tempt Jesus in the wilderness, how satan quoted scripture to Jesus but twisted the passages to fit his agenda? Perhaps you would do us the courtesy of pointing out which words have been twisted in this thread.

And since some of like mind with you want to quote scripture regarding 'by their fruits', are you folks telling us that you consider Colofornian a Prophet? ... Because the passage being despitefully used was given describing discernment of prophets or not prophets.

26 posted on 09/06/2011 8:39:10 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Colofornian

Deception City

I heard Jack talk about this on WorldViewWeekend with Brannon Howse the other day...August 30 show

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-radio/bio.php?showid=20


27 posted on 09/06/2011 8:40:05 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

Deception City

I heard Jack talk about this on WorldViewWeekend with Brannon Howse the other day...August 30 show

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-radio/bio.php?showid=20


28 posted on 09/06/2011 8:40:23 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Turtlepower
I lived in Utah, got to know a lot of Mormons and asked them about their faith. Most of what I heard was in line with the Apostle's Creed. Sure, they've added a lot of nonsense to the basic gospel. It's in error, clearly . I also view the "goddess" treatment of Mary and image-worship and the notion of a earthly spriitual intermediary as error, but I still regard most of the Catholics I know as Christian. To be disobedient is not to be anti-Christ.

Jesus told us how to recognize Christians. He said that their fruits would show them. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit. I never cease to be impressed at the good works Mormons manage, despite all the error.

29 posted on 09/06/2011 8:40:48 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Tax Government

You must be a mormon. Why would you applaud a religion that teaches there are many gods, that you can earn godhood, that jesus is not eternal, that jesus is the brother of satan.....sorry fellow you have fallen for the PR machine of SLC. I know mormons, I have family that are mormon and they are not as the PR machine portrays them.


30 posted on 09/06/2011 8:41:15 AM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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To: Colofornian

If you have to play My God’s better than your God. You have proved your opinion is worthless in the first sentence. No further reading required.


31 posted on 09/06/2011 8:41:26 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: dila813

Christian = means belief in Christ — It is absolutely clear that Glen Beck believes in Christ
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If its clear to you please clarify to us...


32 posted on 09/06/2011 8:41:40 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: svcw; Tax Government

Then keep it in the “Religion” forum.

I found it here: ‘Everything’

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/*/index


33 posted on 09/06/2011 8:42:30 AM PDT by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Mamzelle

What good works are those? People usually say, but mormons are so nice and do so many good things, never actually seem to know what those are and the conditions placed on them.


34 posted on 09/06/2011 8:43:37 AM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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To: Da Coyote

You will be following a Mormon straight to Hell.

There is only one true God, and He is a jealous God.


35 posted on 09/06/2011 8:44:10 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Turtlepower

There are many nice Hindus and Buddhists, but that doesn’t mean they know the truth or will go to Heaven.

Doctrinal issues and believing the Truth are very important.

????

if there is a God in heaven and there is an afterlife...and if a person of any religion (or non-religious) lives a good life, takes care of his family without stealing or murdering....I cannot see this all good God sending these persons to the fires....

My very religious Catholic upbringing has no part in my thoughts on the subject...as a matter of fact my thoughts goes against my church's beliefs...so much of the scriptures, to me, are just the writing of MEN....

36 posted on 09/06/2011 8:45:11 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Turtlepower; MHGinTN; svcw; fishtank

Christianity means belief in Christ, nothing more, nothing less

As you can’t redefine it, I can’t redefine it to say that you aren’t a Christian if you use a Crucifix in your worship as some have done or visa versa.

It is evil to twist definitions and language to fit someone’s agenda.

If you want to smack down on Mormonism, there are 100s of valid reasons without resulting to this bs redefining terms.


37 posted on 09/06/2011 8:45:27 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Turtlepower

I did not say there was no difference in beliefs. I said they both were religions based upon writings by men (or God) that must be accepted by faith, and cannot be proven. Anyone can prove that events that happened and are also written about in the Bible, that does not mean the doctrines are proven. If anyone claims that archeology proves your version of religion is wrong, it can only prove that the history is correct. Religion or doctrine are taken on faith, not proof.


38 posted on 09/06/2011 8:47:11 AM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Look at his own words, if you think he is lying, fine, say so

But you can’t redefine terms


39 posted on 09/06/2011 8:47:18 AM PDT by dila813
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To: MHGinTN

When you say Christian doesn’t equal belief in Christ....that is where you cross the line


40 posted on 09/06/2011 8:48:38 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Steamburg
If you have to play My God’s better than your God. You have proved your opinion is worthless in the first sentence. No further reading required.

Well, if that premise is true...then so is this one:

If you have to play My opinion'sGod’s better than your opinion. You have proved your opinion is worthless in the first sentence. No further reading (of your opinions) is required...nor desirable.

Why? 'Cause idol worship & voodoo & Satanism in your playbook is equivalent to the worship of the One True Holy God.

41 posted on 09/06/2011 8:49:26 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: dila813

Listen mormonISM does NOT believe in the Jesus of the Bible, they teach and hold fast to a bastardized version of Jesus.
If that is acceptable to you fine, but do not try and pass that off as Christianity.


42 posted on 09/06/2011 8:49:26 AM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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To: Coldwater Creek

You will be following a Mormon straight to Hell.

There is only one true God, and He is a jealous God.

I believe NONE of what you write....and you can preach it all day every day, 365 days a year...and the more you preach it, the more ridiculous it sounds to me..

43 posted on 09/06/2011 8:49:46 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: svcw

Well, Glen Beck forcefully declared his belief in Jesus Christ and his belief that he was saved from alcoholism because of his belief.

There are many many reasons to attack Mormonism.

But I heard him and saw he personally was speaking his truth and that is why I called BS on this thread.


44 posted on 09/06/2011 8:50:46 AM PDT by dila813
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To: panaxanax

Which puts you into the religion forum. If the discussion does not interest you then just enter the news forum for your search. Simple really.


46 posted on 09/06/2011 8:51:31 AM PDT by svcw (iphone 5 release date late October - rats)
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To: svcw
Live in Utah and watch how they manage their big families, for starters. Brigham Young University. Their mission commitment. The charities they work with. Their contributions to genealogy. Avoidance of alcohol, which I must say they do better than your tea-total Baptists...

It was quite a few years back, but living among a Mormon majority had some definite upsides.

Well, look at Beck. What do you think of his works since becoming a Mormon?

It depends on how serious the errors are. There's error and then there's fatal error. Don't you think I roll my eyes at some of this? How about baptism by proxy?

I have similar reactions to a lot of Catholic habits, the overdone ritualizing, the blatant direction of prayer to objects and non-divinities. But my understanding of what makes a Christian has to do with Jesus Christ and belief in his saving grace. The other is error.

47 posted on 09/06/2011 8:52:34 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Colofornian

Let’s talk about the fundamental error (or maybe just misdirection) of Christianity, it is usually practiced. You people ready to hear it?


48 posted on 09/06/2011 8:53:18 AM PDT by Tax Government (Democrat: "I'm driving to Socialism at 95 mph." Republican: "Observe the speed limit.")
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To: dila813

Christian actually means Christlike.

I can’t imagine that Jesus would use the profanity that Glen Beck does especially when on the air.


49 posted on 09/06/2011 8:53:18 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: runninglips
Catholicism, Protestantism, Evangelism, and Mormonism are all religions based upon belief in writings by others that CANNOT BE PROVEN.

Tell us, runninglips...do you always go around haranging writings from antiquity -- such as Homer, Plato & many others? (Or do you reserve your animosity for such writings from antiquity to the Scriptures? And if so, what have you got against the Scriptures in their content that is so provocative to you?)

50 posted on 09/06/2011 8:53:45 AM PDT by Colofornian
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