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Posted on 10/07/2011 1:10:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Once a self-identified founding member of the American religious right, Franky Schaeffer now says that religion is dumb and man made. Although Schaeffer grew up among some of the most influential evangelicals of the twentieth century, and worked as one of them during much of his adult life, he now believes the Bible is a fraud and that Christianity teaches misogynistic practices.
Schaeffer, the son of the late evangelical theologian, philosopher, and founder of the LAbri Fellowship, Francis Schaeffer, discussed his newest book at the Kansas City Public Library on September 27, 2011. His recent book, Sex, Mom, and God: How the Bible's Strange Take on Sex Led to Crazy Politics--and How I Learned to Love Women (and Jesus) Anyway tells the story of Schaeffers conservative Christian upbringing, and how his mother, Edith Schaeffer, is a woman whos better than her theology. Her theology is that of the religious right that Schaeffer now hates and the book tells the story of how the religious right has supposedly ruined America, as politics have been folded into bring America back to God. More broadly, he said, the books message is to not make generalizations about each other, because there are many people just like his mother among evangelicals.
The problem, Schaeffer explained, is belief with certainty. Certainty kills, he explained,no one ever bombed an abortion clinic or a mosque after yelling but I could be wrong. That example he said, sums up the difference of my philosophy now and where I would have been speaking 35 or 40 years ago to you about all my certainties of who the bad guys are and who the good guys are. Now he believes, with seeming certainty, that the Bible is the unauthorized [biography] about the deity written by bronze age schmucks who were finding ways to control their wives and daughters ... who in hindsight were trying to say see? God made us do it so its ok.
Life is not long enough to conclude anything, its only enough to try your best along the way, Schaeffer said, and further, if salvation is correct doctrine, then everyone is lost. To those who hold religious beliefs he said, believe me, you will someday reach a point where you know that was dumb. Schaeffer said his life, for better or worse, worse mainly, happens to intersect the rise of the the religious right in America, which also happens to have ruined the United States. He believes a deity exists, and accepts some select moral teachings from Christianity but, Jesus had to be separated in my mind from a political movement before I could even consider looking at the teaching again as anything but an appendage of a system that failed.
Schaeffer presented his views as an alternative to the opposing views of new atheists such as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, and orthodox Christians. Secularism is not the answer, he said, it is not what its cracked up to be, but also, its not Gods fault that theres dumb stuff in the Bible. According to Schaeffer, we are not stuck with the stupidity of Christianity, but are free to create our own conception of God, reality, and morality. Not believing in the Christian God doesnt mean that a God that loves me and created love and personality and relationships in a universe that otherwise would be dark and cold isnt out there.
For many years a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church, Schaeffer believes that the God of the Bible [is] distinct from any deity that might be out there, he, she or it. It is dogmatic belief in the Bible and the God of the Bible that, according to Schaeffer, has ultimately caused the rise of the religious right and the decline of the country it has so impacted. He claimed there is a direct relationship between the religious right and whats happening worldwide with our economy right now, because the people who are in Congress are ideologues driven by theologicized politics. This is problematic because when you put a theological twist on anything, the person who disagrees with you is therefore lost and in disagreements, youre not mistaken about abortion or tax policy, youre an agent of Satan.
Schaeffer claimed he neither sides with the right or the left because he has seen the same blood in your eye fundamentalist zeal in both camps. In the end of his talk, he was at least somewhat consistent, and said if you disagree with me, youre not going to hell, youre probably right!
“Life is not long enough to conclude anything”
How did he come to that conclusion?
Schaeffer claimed he neither sides with the right or the left because he has seen the same blood in your eye fundamentalist zeal in both camps.
That is, in fact, the human condition. God gives us the grace to accept him or deny him or even to make a god in our own image. Good luck with that, Franky.
Hm...An interesting CONCLUSION.
Insanity has finally set in with Schaeffer.
RE: Life is not long enough to conclude anything
How did he come to that conclusion?
I also hear the absolute statement: THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH a lot in college.
That apple sure fell far from the tree. What an idiot.
Another fool willing to prostitute his soul for lucre.
Blah, blah, blah, buy my book...
He’s taking his theology from Anthony Kennedy, of the “mystery of life.”
> Certainty kills, he explained,no one ever bombed an
> abortion clinic or a mosque after yelling but I could be
Maybe it’s just me, but the only people bombing mosques are Mahometans, and the last abortion clinic bombing was almost a generation ago, and not done by a Christian, either.
The problem, Schaeffer explained, is belief with certainty. Certainty kills,
That may be the saddest statement I’ve ever seen.
All athiests I meet fear Christianity like its some kind of Government secret mind-control trick. They real are quite paranoid about it, and it shows.
Life is not long enough to conclude anything
How did he come to that conclusion?”
Interesting....I think I’d say, “life is too short to sit idly in uncertainty”
,,, another guy that always wanted to be the smartest kid in the class, the one with all the answers ....
Jesus: Franky Schaeffer is Stupid.
He has a problem with certainty? Note that he blames “certainty” for the bombing of abortion clinics. Note that he DOESN’T blame “certainty” for abortion. No one ever aborted a baby while yelling, “But I could be wrong.”
In short, he has a bigger problem with bombing an abortion clinic than he has with 53 million abortions.
It was obvious several years ago that he had ceased to be a pro-lifer. No Christian, other than an apostate Christian, can fail to be pro-life.
This is by no means a ‘revelation’ of anything new. He has simply ‘discovered’ nihilism.
Certainty kills, he explained,no one ever bombed an abortion clinic or a mosque after yelling but I could be wrong.
He’s right, you know. Atheists are never zealous or kill people./s
My daughter, who was a Sophomore at UMASS Amherst at the time, explained this to me last Thanksgiving. “Stupid” is the Left’s code word for Christians. e.g. Sarah Palin is “stupid”.
“How did he come to that conclusion?”
Am I supposed to know who this fool is?
life is too short to sit idly in uncertainty
I share that philosophy. All our days are filled with moral choices. Pretending otherwise is one of them.
So, is there any hope left for Franky? How far does grace reach?
“I also hear the absolute statement: THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH a lot in college.”
People say that sort of thing without realizing it all the time. One of my favorites is when they say, “You can’t prove a negative.” Well, that’s a negative, you idiot, which you might have noticed by the word “can’t.”
Actually, I find Franky’s plunge into the abyss to be heart breaking. Pray for him.
I cannot recall such a frightening apostacy in my life. If it could happen to him, it could happen to me.
I see this a lot, too. I wonder why so many are like that. I used to be an atheist, but I never had a problem with people being Christians. I even thought it a good way to bring up one's kids, even though I did not believe it at the time.
I was on several Blu-ray message boards when the subject of the new Blu-ray release of Ben-Hur came up. Amazing how many posters had to declare that even though they liked the movie they were "not in the least religious", or that they thought "religion has done more harm than good...blah...blah"
In the end of his talk, he was at least somewhat consistent, and said if you disagree with me, youre not going to hell, youre probably right!
That’s being consistent? This guy is as mixed up as they come.
Not all evangelical leaders have had the fortune of Billy Graham in having believing progeny. Andrew Himes, the grandson of John Rice, a fundamentalist Baptist leader, became a Communist organizer in Alabama (admittedly a tough job!). The Satanist Aleister Crowley was the son of a devout Plymouth Brethren family. Stalin studied for the Orthodox priesthood. Marx was the son of a family that converted to Lutheranism; he was a devout Christian in his early teen years.
RE: Am I supposed to know who this fool is?
Do you know the late, great Francis August Schaeffer? This fool is his wayward son, who used to believe what his father did.
Ping for later.
The guy is selling this book while setting up his next book. You know, the one where he has another revelation and finds his way back into Christianity as born again.
People have always used religion to make money. He is just doing his little shtick here. I do not take him seriously.
This is so patently the opposite of what is happening even now, that the only possible conclusion is that the subject is stupid, delusional or evil.
Does he receive money from his father’s estate???
Well, maybe there’s hope for little Frankie because his Dad came to the same opinion and he decided to start from scratch and find out if God was real. He wrote some of the best books and lead many intellectuals to the Lord. One of my favorites is “He Is There and He is Not Silent”. Feel sad for him because he just sounds angry. Saw Francis Schaeffer at the airport once and he was about 5ft tall and in his Swiss knickers. Quite a sight. Great man!
He goes from fundamentalist, to strict Eastern Orthodox, to secularist. Sad.
If a police officer talks to 8 witnesses at a crime scene and finds that each has a different version of what happened, he can’t throw up his hands and state that the truth is unknowable.
So it is with life - sometimes you have to dig a little deeper...
“THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH”
...Are you absolutely sure?
Give them that reply next time someone says that to you.
How did he come to that conclusion? Enforced amorality and atheism for a man who wants to fit into the mainstream.
However, each of us make our own decisions, and there are many who manage to hold to their faith despite the failings of those around them. It appears that Franky chose the route of bitterness and rejection instead of forgiving those who disappointed him, and crying out to God to help him live a more authentic and faithful Christian life.
I remember long ago talking with a man who rejected his religious faith and wrote what he said was a devastating refutation of Christianity and the Bible. However, he did not have the heart to have it published, explaining that he did not want to have a hand in destroying the faith of others. I hope that God had mercy on that man's soul.
The Apostle Paul warns: "not not let many be teachers, for they will have a double judgment." By writing what is apparently a polemical book against Christianity, I fear that Franky Schaeffer has placed himself in grave spiritual danger.
Wasn't this a Ron Reagan thing - trash the parent as a way to 'make it'... Kind of a way for the talentless children of conservatives to get attention. Seems there are others - anyone with a list?
Franky Schaeffer didn't start having problems until about three or four years after his father's death.
His then-dream (decades before Sherwood Films came along) was to produce and direct big-budget films that didn't compromise the Christian message, nor compromise on filmmaking quality. His first film was called Wired To Kill. It was a huge commercial and financial disaster. Franky didn't allow his financial backers (mostly evangelicals) to see the script before he took their money.
Franky's crisis of faith coincided with the fallout over his terrible films. IMO it was no coincidence. Franky's been harboring a grudge against his family and evangelicalism ever since.
Schaeffer is certain he is correct.