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Report: Ultra-Orthodox [Jews] Spitting at Christian Clergy in Jerusalem
The Deacon's Bench ^ | 11/4/11 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 11/04/2011 7:56:36 PM PDT by marshmallow

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1 posted on 11/04/2011 7:56:37 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Beats the hell out of a beheading any day of the week.


2 posted on 11/04/2011 8:07:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: cripplecreek

Didn’t the Nazi’s do the same thing. Maybe these guy’s are not getting enough history in their schools to know better.


3 posted on 11/04/2011 8:10:43 PM PDT by jimpick
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To: cripplecreek

And what would your response be if Jews in America were routinely spat upon by Christians?


4 posted on 11/04/2011 8:18:24 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: marshmallow

Thanks for the post, first I ever heard of this. I don’t understand.


5 posted on 11/04/2011 8:22:13 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: marshmallow
Regretably, some fundamentalists of all flavors are almost as bad as the sandmaggots.

Not relying on explosives and mayhem (yet) still makes them tolerable.

6 posted on 11/04/2011 8:23:41 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: marshmallow

We should fund neither the Arabs nor Israel —let them deal with their own problems their own way.


7 posted on 11/04/2011 8:23:56 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: LouAvul

But they are not.

This is a fact, alot of Ultra Orthodox Jews are stuck in the past, just like the Muslims are.

The question shouldn’t be what if this happened...

The question should be why is this happening now?

And, are you okay with it? I’m not. I Stand with Israel, but the UOJ should realize that we (Christians and Jews) actually do worship the SAME God


9 posted on 11/04/2011 8:28:57 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: marshmallow

I as a christian have been spat apon by an ultra Orthodox type. They get pretty radical over there. Nice to see that the Jewish courts sided with the christian isn’t it?

Most Jews are very respectful of anyone of faith. Indeed the court findings prove that. Not bad for a people with a history of having their great great grandmas burned at the stake for remaining Jews rather than convert to Catholics.

More like being put on the spit, rather than the spit being put on you.


11 posted on 11/04/2011 8:31:15 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Shadowstrike

Well the Ultra’s belive that God is one, and Jesus makes two, so they do want to be a polythiest. Missing the point, but that is the point, isn’t it.

I am ok with it, it’t not like we got all our ducks in a line either.


12 posted on 11/04/2011 8:33:30 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: marshmallow

Thanks


13 posted on 11/04/2011 8:43:52 PM PDT by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: marshmallow

Wow! It’s been too long since there was a good round of Jew-bashing on FR!

And BTW, this exact story shows up every few months.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2397730/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2184432/posts

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/01/17/1010205/spitting-on-christians-in-jerusalem-raises-eyebrows

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099


14 posted on 11/04/2011 8:47:45 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: marshmallow

Former head of Mossad Efraim Halevy condemns new trend in the IDF; “Israel’s true existential danger comes from within.”

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=244378


15 posted on 11/04/2011 8:49:07 PM PDT by Will75
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To: jjotto

“And BTW, this exact story shows up every few months.”

You are linking to different stories. And BTW, sounds like the spitting shows up more often than “every few months”. Why don’t you stick a fork in the victimhood shtick.


16 posted on 11/04/2011 9:05:02 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: jjotto

Stop the spitting and there would be nothing to report.


17 posted on 11/04/2011 9:12:23 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: lodi90
Why don’t you stick a fork in the spitting shtick.
18 posted on 11/04/2011 9:15:00 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Publius6961
Your post is perhaps the most stunningly ignorant utterance I have seen on FR in all of 2011.
19 posted on 11/04/2011 9:23:17 PM PDT by stillonaroll (Nominate a non-RINO in 2012!)
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To: American in Israel
Not bad for a people with a history of having their great great grandmas burned at the stake for remaining Jews rather than convert to Catholics.

Read some history. The Inquisition, if that is what you are referring to, was not used to force conversion upon the Jews. Indeed, Jews, as Jews, did not fall under the jurisdiction of the Inquisition. The only Jews that would fall under its jurisdiction were those professed Christians charged by the Spanish Inquisition with false conversion. And here the concern was more with Jews pretending to be Christians in order to undermine the Christian state, not as a means to convert them. Not that they enjoy equal rights under Catholic Spain but until their expulsion by Queen Isabella professed Jews were exempt from the Inquisition and were not threatened with "convert or die."

20 posted on 11/04/2011 9:23:59 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: American in Israel
Well the Ultra’s belive that God is one, and Jesus makes two, so they do want to be a polythiest.

Christians also believe in one God. Read a little about the Trinity before commenting.

21 posted on 11/04/2011 9:25:52 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: marshmallow

Just like all other groups, some Jews are bigots. I’m always glad when an aggressive bigot takes one in the nose.


22 posted on 11/04/2011 9:26:34 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: lodi90

In the mid ‘90s my wife and I, on vacation, attended a Messianic service in Jerusalem. As the congregation exited, a group of about 8-10 young Orthodox Jews descended on the group. We were spared because we don’t look Jewish, but they were all over our fellow parishioner who is of southern Italian heritage. Jerks.

Hint to Orthodox Israeli fundies: Wake up, a$$holes - cut out the “Yoshkie” krap. You need all the friends you can get.


23 posted on 11/04/2011 9:28:27 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: marshmallow
Hmmm ...

What do we say, on this forum, of hippies who spit on veterans?

Last time I checked, that sort of misconduct bordered on unforgivable ...

24 posted on 11/04/2011 9:33:49 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Petrosius

>> Christians also believe in one God.

You could get a Ph.D. in Theology arguing that one, either pro or con.


25 posted on 11/04/2011 9:35:25 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: QBFimi

A lady here in NYC who was Catholic and converted to Orthodox Judaism told me the day of her conversion she had to stand naked in front on 3 rabbis and they poured water over her naked body and did not allow her to dry. Then she had to spit on the Bible and blaspheme Jesus in a disgusting ceremony. Then she was accepted into the Jewish faith. This is someone I know for years and would not lie.


26 posted on 11/04/2011 9:35:50 PM PDT by Mandingo Conservative (Satan was like the first "community organizer", just ask Eve, the first liberal useful idiot!)
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To: QBFimi
You could get a Ph.D. in Theology arguing that one, either pro or con.

Not true. Christians believe in only one God. Indeed, that is the opening line of the Creed recited at the Mass: "I believe in one God…" The question of the Trinity is of the nature of God, not the number of gods. You could argue that it is false but you cannot argue that Christians believe in three gods.

27 posted on 11/04/2011 9:41:29 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius; QBFimi
Not true. Christians believe in only one God.

Exactly, even those of us who aren't Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant still have this in common with all the others. We are monotheists just like the Jews. The Trinity deals with the nature of God, it explicitly states that God is One God and not many.

28 posted on 11/04/2011 10:00:53 PM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: Petrosius

The Creed didn’t come about until way more than 200 years of fistfights. Tell me, how do you think non-Christians read this, the CENTRAL mystery of our Christian faith:

Contemporary Catholic: “I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son ...”

Latin (ca. A.D. 700): “Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem; Creatorem coeli et terrae. Et in Jesum Christum, Filium ejus unicum ...”

Anglican: “I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth: And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord ...”

The Trinity is not casually called the “central mystery of our faith” lightly. Oh, yeah, and our (small-”c”) christian friends, the Mormons, come right out and say there are three, not one.


29 posted on 11/04/2011 10:17:09 PM PDT by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Java4Jay
Thanks for the post, first I ever heard of this. I don’t understand.

This has been happening regularly for years. It is hushed up but reports filter out occasionally and have been discussed here on FR previously. One possible explanation for why this happens is because the spitters are evil, hateful bigots. I'm not certain what the other possible explanations are.

30 posted on 11/04/2011 10:31:06 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: jjotto

How is it “Jew bashing” to post and discuss this article?

Are Jews to be considered to have no one who does wrong among them?

And you mention that the phenomenon has been previously reported. Yet some on the thread have expressed surprise.

If you believe the stories to be false then say so.


31 posted on 11/04/2011 10:35:23 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: marshmallow
... spitting toward the defendant when he was wearing the robe is a criminal offense,” the judge said.

But spitting toward him if he were wearing jeans and a polo shirt wouldn't be a criminal offense?

Anyhow, some people are just trash, and punching one in the nose is certainly a natural response.

32 posted on 11/05/2011 3:42:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm sure your dog likes you.)
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To: marshmallow
Any FReepers ever observe ANYTHING like this? I haven't in my 20 or so accumulated days in Jerusalem.

ML/NJ

33 posted on 11/05/2011 5:41:02 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Petrosius
Jews were exempt from the Inquisition and were not threatened with "convert or die."

What a horrible misunderstanding! So many Sephardi Jews thought they were being threatened - and all of this time, the torture, murder, and seizure of property was an effort to show Jews how much Catholics love "Christ's brothers" (in Petosius' revisionism, "Christ killlers" was really "Christ's brothers" a term of endearment).

BTW, this is a non-story. Anyone who knows Jerusalem can tell you there are many favors of "ultra Orthodox" and only a small percentage do such things - and their usual target is NOT Christians, but Jews who drive on Shabbat. The obvious purpose of this non-story is to incite. Nothing new in that... People have been doing that for thousands of years. Rest assured though, Am Yisrael Chai!
34 posted on 11/05/2011 5:53:07 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: QBFimi

“Contemporary Catholic: “I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son ...”

It’s pretty clear since Jesus Christ was a man who actually lived, whom God sent to live. It falls under Creation.


35 posted on 11/05/2011 5:59:56 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Tzfat

Jews who remained Jews weren’t subject to the Inquisition. They were subject to deportation. That’s why the Sephardi Jews are, or at least were, spread out all over the Middle East.


36 posted on 11/05/2011 6:50:40 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Petrosius
Christians also believe in one God. Read a little about the Trinity before commenting.

Oooo testy, perhaps you missed the point and developed an attitude like an Ultra Orthodox, wanna spit or something?

Nice point illustration...

37 posted on 11/05/2011 8:23:15 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Petrosius
Have read history, not just one version of it either. Quite a few jews were burned at the stake for not converting. And not just one time, there was two other great pograms, one in Poland and then of course Hitler.

Did you know that the Nazi guards wore belt buckles with in god we trust on them? Sang Christmas carols outside the gas chambers as they gassed jews and threw christmas wreaths on the piles of the dead? Yeah it was a ploy to build a divide between the Jews and Christians by the enemy, and it worked.

You also should understand the difference between Eastern and Western Christianity. The Orthodox sects such as Syrian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox and the Lebanese Marointes tend to be very anti-semetic and pro-palestinian. It is only the recent years when the Jews experienced a new flavor of Christianity that actually loves them via tourism, that some of their eyes were opened to the fact that not all Christians are alike.

But then, on the Christian side, the same thing is true. Christians tend to think of Jews as this homogeneous group of people, when, just like Christianity they come in all flavors. The ultra-orthodox flavor tends to be a sour one. But on the other hand, the Sheersonite sect of Hasidim happen to be, well, pretty darn cool. They, to the untrained eye, are identical on the street. The spitters and the lovers. It is their actions that set them apart rather than the title "Ultra-Orthodox".

I had a conversation one day on Ben Yehuda street in Jerusalem, where the Jewish guy I was chatting with and I discovered this difference between us, and he said to me that if I would promise to not think of all Jews as alike, he would promise to not think of all Christians as Catholics. We both made a friend that day.

Jews tend to be pragmatic, comes from 2000 years of persecution. Your actions speak louder than your words to them. So when you say you are a Christian and make rude comments like "Read some history." for openers, you lost your credibility right there.

You know, the old, “they shall know you by your love line”? Its true! They shall also know you by your lack thereof naturally.

38 posted on 11/05/2011 9:08:24 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Campion
They were subject to deportation.

Whew. Such reassurance!
39 posted on 11/05/2011 10:19:31 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Petrosius

Plus with the upcoming updated English/Latin changes to the Roman Catholic Church mass worship in the next few weeks, the wording for the Nicene Creed will be going from “We believe” to “I believe” in one God, which will work to help make Christian/Catholic faith stronger.


40 posted on 11/05/2011 10:42:44 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


41 posted on 11/05/2011 1:25:27 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: American in Israel
he would promise to not think of all Christians as Catholics

Pretty funny line, considering that Pope Pius XII saved 860,000 Jewish lives -- according to a Israeli Jewish rabbi & diplomat, Pinchas Lapide.

BTW, the Spanish Inquisition, which had no authority over any Jews but only Catholics, had a total death toll under 10,000, over 300 years.

42 posted on 11/05/2011 3:14:43 PM PDT by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: American in Israel
Oh, BTW: the German belt buckles said "Gott mit Uns" (God with us), and the motto dated from the Prussian army, not only before the Nazi era, but before Germany per se even existed.

Prussia, BTW, was an ardently Lutheran kingdom, not Catholic at all.

43 posted on 11/05/2011 3:16:47 PM PDT by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Campion

Another view:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Inquisition.html

...An estimated 31,912 heretics were burned at the stake, 17,659 were burned in effigy and 291,450 made reconciliations in the Spanish Inquisition...


44 posted on 11/05/2011 3:34:59 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Campion

And the Crusade killed as many Europeans as it did Jews. But from the Jewish perspective, the Crusade killed many Jews period. They really don’t care what the Europeans did to the Europeans, it is what they have come to expect anyway.

So this offense caused by violent encounters with those who profess Christ is the reason it is the way it is in Jerusalem. Note that it is in one neighborhood, the Mea Sharim that it is this way, that is where this sect of rabid-rabinicals are. And unfortunately you to run into them about the city now and then. Mostly they keep to themselves. All the rest of Israel is great, I loved living there. Once you get to really know the Jews, and they learn to trust you, you see a people that are simply wonderful.

Unlike the Muslims, they seem wonderful till you get to know them, or get dead.


45 posted on 11/05/2011 3:40:32 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Campion
Now if you were in their shoes, and one pope saved many thousands of lives, and another burned a partly 100 of your family members at the stake, would you trust Christians?

I wouldn't.

I just thought a bit of context from the Israeli perspective might help. And to keep other confusion from happening, I am not Israeli, and don't have a drop of Jewish blood in me that I am aware of. My family came to the US from England before there was a US. I am American and no longer live in Israel.

I had enough of the daily terrorism, kinda wears on you after a few years.

46 posted on 11/05/2011 3:46:59 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Mandingo Conservative

Boy howdy, did she pick the wrong sect of Judaism. Guess what, her Rabbi’s are the same guys this story is about.

Now I know a Rabbi that clearly stated that Jesus was most likely the Messiah ben Joseph who was prophcied to come for the gentiles. He is waiting for Messiah ben David who is coming for the Jews.

Kinda knows his Bible rather well, I think. Those Anti-Christian types are clueless when it comes to the Tanach, but know the commentarys of their sect like the back of their hands. I think that is called a cult.


47 posted on 11/05/2011 3:51:19 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: QBFimi
You could get a Ph.D. in Theology arguing that one, either pro or con.

Indeed, that is one long involved argument with no end. A certain preacher said stay away from useless arguments that cause divisions, but rather put on humility, love and a contrite spirit. He is a respected teacher, who wrote a few books in the compilation we call the Bible. Not only that, but the argument goes beyond the Christian realm. Schma Israel, Adoni Elehenu, Adoni Echad. I have heard that the Schma itself is a definitive statement to settle this very issue. (Hear O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is one...) In other words, God, the Messiah and the Spirit are One. But the Rabids don't hear it that way. They hear that God is one, so how can He be three? Ironic... Those who will not see, cannot see.

48 posted on 11/05/2011 4:00:21 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Tax-chick
But spitting toward him if he were wearing jeans and a polo shirt wouldn't be a criminal offense?

No because it would not be a legally defined "hate crime".

Anyhow, some people are just trash, and punching one in the nose is certainly a natural response.

It seems the Judge agreed with you.

49 posted on 11/05/2011 4:03:12 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: ml/nj

Yes, Once in 10 years, and I was the one spat upon. And no, I did not punch the guy in the face. We settled it properly. We ended up as friends.


50 posted on 11/05/2011 4:05:34 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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