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A Very Harold & Kumar 3D Christmas (Viewers of faith beware! - Catholic blasphemy)
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Posted on 11/14/2011 2:42:45 PM PST by NYer

NEW YORK (CNS) - Viewers of faith beware: In its largely vain pursuit of laughs, the comedy sequel "A Very Harold & Kumar 3D Christmas" (Warner Bros.) stoops not only to sexual excess but to anti-Catholic animus and even blasphemy.

The result -- as written by Jon Hurwitz and Hayden Schlossberg and directed by Todd Strauss-Schulson -- is a consistently vulgar, intermittently loathsome insult to the holiday.

The plot -- such as it is -- begins with reformed pothead Harold (John Cho) and unrepentant stoner Kumar (Kal Penn) accidentally burning down the former's family Christmas tree. Since the now-married Harold's intimidating Hispanic father-in-law (Danny Trejo) is a devotee of all things Yule -- and grew the destroyed stately fir himself -- this sets off a frenzied but rambling quest for a replacement.

Along the journey that follows, a secondary character is revealed to have a rendezvous with a teenage virgin named Mary who ardently longs to be deflowered on Christmas Eve. Similarly, when the titular duo concocts a plot to steal a church's evergreen, their imagined scenario involves pornographic images of lesbian nuns as well as pedophile priests chasing choirboys. Another fantasy is set in heaven where a playboy version of Jesus appears, accompanied by two topless angels.

That's not to mention the attempt to mine amusement from repeated incidents where a toddler is inadvertently made high on a variety of narcotics or the claymation sequence that exploits 3-D in a manner the fertility gods of pagan antiquity might have envied.

The general tastelessness on display, but more particularly the assault on Catholic sensibilities, make it sobering to reflect that Penn left his job as an associate director of the White House Office of Public Engagement to be involved in this misbegotten mess.

Anything less engaging than the defamatory interludes and overall "nothing sacred" outlook of his latest project would be difficult to imagine.

The film contains sacrilegious humor, graphic nonmarital and aberrant sexual activity, full nudity, a benign view of drug use, about a half-dozen instances of profanity and pervasive rough and crude language. The Catholic News Service classification is O -- morally offensive. The Motion Picture Association of America rating is R -- restricted. Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian.

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Mulderig is on the staff of Catholic News Service.

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CAPSULE REVIEW

"A Very Harold & Kumar 3D Christmas" (Warner Bros.)

Consistently vulgar, intermittently loathsome comedy sequel in which reformed pothead Harold (John Cho) and unrepentant stoner Kumar (Kal Penn) go in quest of a replacement for the former's family Christmas tree which the duo accidentally burned down. In its largely vain pursuit of laughs, director Todd Strauss-Schulson's insult to the season stoops not only to sexual excess but to anti-Catholic animus and even blasphemy by portraying pornographic images of lesbian nuns, pedophile priests chasing choirboys and a playboy version of Jesus accompanied by topless angels. Sacrilegious humor, graphic nonmarital and aberrant sexual activity, full nudity, a benign view of drug use, about a half-dozen instances of profanity, pervasive rough and crude language. The Catholic News Service classification is O -- morally offensive. The Motion Picture Association of America rating is R -- restricted. Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian.

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CLASSIFICATION

"A Very Harold & Kumar 3D Christmas" (Warner Bros.) -- Catholic News Service classification, O -- morally offensive. Motion Picture Association of America rating, R -- restricted. Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian.



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: christmas; hollywood

1 posted on 11/14/2011 2:42:47 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 11/14/2011 2:43:28 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

Hope it is a miserable failure and the investors in this garbage lose terribly.


3 posted on 11/14/2011 2:47:51 PM PST by Made In The USA (This post may be recorded for quality purposes.)
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To: NYer
...as written by Jon Hurwitz and Hayden Schlossberg and directed by Todd Strauss-Schulson...

Sound like a trio of former altar boys to me.

4 posted on 11/14/2011 2:48:29 PM PST by SoJoCo
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To: NYer

Try making “Harold and Kumar Kill Christians and Jews!” At least it would play well in Mecca!


5 posted on 11/14/2011 2:48:59 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: NYer

A stoner Christmas flick starring B. Hussein’s boy toy... go figure.


6 posted on 11/14/2011 2:50:36 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: NYer

Why would anyone expect A Very Harold and Kumar Christmas to be saintly?
I wouldn’t.


7 posted on 11/14/2011 2:52:58 PM PST by moviefan8
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To: NYer

May it be an abject failure in whatever venue it appears.


8 posted on 11/14/2011 2:56:52 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita

$23 million domestic so far (in two weeks) on a $19 million budget.

Only a sane country would completely reject this garbage. Ours is not a sane country.


9 posted on 11/14/2011 3:02:14 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: NYer

OK, but is it funny?


10 posted on 11/14/2011 3:03:58 PM PST by WackySam (Obama got Osama just like Nixon landed on the moon.)
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To: SoJoCo

Cho’a father is a Church of Christ minister who escaped from North Korea. Kal Pen was born a Hindu and I assume he still is. Pershaps some reporter can aks Cho’s father about the movie and it’s relationship to Christmas and what he taught his boy as well as how proud he is of his son and how he’s treating Christianity.

I’m sure this group would take on say Islam the same why. Sure they would. They know they are safe attacking Christianity.


11 posted on 11/14/2011 3:09:15 PM PST by airedale
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To: NYer
Viewers of faith beware! - Catholic blasphemy

Wow...talk about pushing the envelope. /s

12 posted on 11/14/2011 3:09:58 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: airedale

I thought the original was hilarious. Even though I don’t partake of the kind herb. But I can’t imagine wasting money on the 2 sequels. Even Cheech and Chong lost their mojo. “Nice Dreams” seems very dated and stale in 2011.


13 posted on 11/14/2011 3:17:33 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Doc Savage

I can’t wait until the one on Mecca. They could film it in Detroit and get a tax credit.


14 posted on 11/14/2011 3:30:34 PM PST by RossB
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To: NYer

No, thanks. I’ll pass. Kal Penn had starred on the tv show House but departed abruptly to work for Zero. Guess that didn’t work out since he’s back doing stoopid 12 year old mentality movies. Looking at his bio, House is the only decent role he’s had.


15 posted on 11/14/2011 4:25:26 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: boop

I’d concur. “Harold and Kumar go to White Castle” was one of those “so stupid it’s funny” movies.


16 posted on 11/14/2011 5:24:40 PM PST by 6SJ7 (I'm an AmeriCain!)
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To: 6SJ7

“written by Jon Hurwitz and Hayden Schlossberg and directed by Todd Strauss-Schulson”

I gather these gentlemen don’t celebrate Christmas?


17 posted on 11/14/2011 5:50:13 PM PST by Mandingo Conservative (Satan was like the first "community organizer", just ask Eve, the first liberal useful idiot!)
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To: SumProVita
May it be an abject failure in whatever venue it appears.

Amen!

18 posted on 11/14/2011 5:52:52 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

It takes 3 times of the 23 million production to get money back. It does not even show million dollar advertising spent. Also movie theaters get half up front. So 3 times the original production breaks it through to begin profit.


19 posted on 11/14/2011 6:48:48 PM PST by johngrace (1 John 4!- declared at every Sunday Mass.)
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To: johngrace

I understand that. Hopefully it dies domestically and does nothing overseas. I’d like to see this idiotic franchise die a quick death.


20 posted on 11/14/2011 6:58:25 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: NYer

There is no such thing as Catholic blasphemy. There is such a thing as blasphemy of the Catholic faith.


21 posted on 11/14/2011 7:20:52 PM PST by vladimir998 (Public school grads are often too dumb to realize they're dumb)
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To: moviefan8
Considering there is nothing “saintly about x-massacre”, the plot line fits right in with it origins

Deut 12:30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ 31 You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods....
32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.

Jeremiah 10

1 Hear the word which the LORD speaks to you, O house of Israel.
2 Thus says the LORD:

Do not learn the way of the Gentiles;
Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven,
For the Gentiles are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the peoples are futile;
For one cuts a tree from the forest,
The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.
4 They decorate it with silver and gold;
They fasten it with nails and hammers
So that it will not topple
.

22 posted on 11/14/2011 9:21:44 PM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: NYer

I am sad to report that I have quite a few High school students of various denomincations that can’t wait to see this dross.


23 posted on 11/15/2011 2:19:17 AM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on television.)
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To: patlin
"For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.

4 They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers

So that it will not topple."

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTMASS TREES!

24 posted on 11/15/2011 9:29:40 AM PST by johngrace (1 John 4!- declared at every Sunday Mass.)
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To: patlin

Jeremiah 10 and the “Pagan” Christmas Tree
by Dr. Richard P. Bucher

A number or well-meaning readers of the “Origin and Meaning of the Christmas Tree” article have written me with questions or accusations based on Jeremiah 10. These readers state that Jeremiah 10 proves that the Christmas tree is a pagan custom and is forbidden by God. Therefore, they argue, all those who decorate a Christmas tree in their home are sinning in God’s sight. This is quite the serious charge. Let us briefly examine Jeremiah 10 and the argument based upon it to see if there is any merit to this argument.

What exactly does Jeremiah 10 say? Below is Jeremiah 10:1-10:

This is what the LORD says: “Do not learn the ways of the nations or be terrified by signs in the sky, though the nations are terrified by them. 3 For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. 4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. 5 Like a scarecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good.” 6 No one is like you, O LORD; you are great, and your name is mighty in power. 7 Who should not revere you, O King of the nations? This is your due. Among all the wise men of the nations and in all their kingdoms, there is no one like you. 8 They are all senseless and foolish; they are taught by worthless wooden idols. 9 Hammered silver is brought from Tarshish and gold from Uphaz. What the craftsman and goldsmith have made is then dressed in blue and purple— all made by skilled workers. 10 But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God, the eternal King. When he is angry, the earth trembles; the nations cannot endure his wrath.

The verses that the concerned readers repeatedly cite are 10:2-4: “Do not learn the ways of the nations . . . For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. 4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter.” “Aha!” these readers say. “Jeremiah is talking about the Christmas tree!” But closer examination reveals that he certainly is not!

First, there is the immediate context of this passage. The very next verse, 10:5, goes on to say, “Like a scarecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good.” This passage and the passages that follow make it crystal clear that the “decorated tree” that Jeremiah was talking about in 10:3-4, was a tree that was cut down and made into an idol, a very common custom in the ancient world. 10:8-10 also confirms this, where the wooden idols are contrasted with the LORD, who is the true and living God. Keil and Delitsch, the well-respected Old Testament commentary, confirms this interpretation that the trees in question were idols that were then worshiped (C. F. Keil and F. Delitsch, Commentary on the Old Testament, “Jeremiah, Lamentations,” vol 8 (Grand Rapids: William B. Eeerdmans Publishing Company, 1980), 196-199).

Second, when we search the rest of the Old Testament, we find many other examples of trees being planted, cut down, or carved into idols. One of the most common examples of a tree idol was the Asherah, mentioned often in the Old Testament. Asherah was a pagan goddess that was worshiped throughout the Mediterranean world. She was considered to be the goddess of the sea, the consort of El, and the mother of Baal. She was always represented as a tree or pole, either planted or erected, then decorated. There are many warnings in the Old Testament about the Asherah tree. For example, in Exodus 34:12-14, we read, “Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. 13 Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones and cut down their Asherah poles. 14 Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.” From a more thorough study we learn that the Asherah idol was sometimes planted (Deut. 16:21; Micah 5:14), sometimes erected at high places (1 Kings 14:23, 2 Kings 17:10), with altars and incense stands next to them where they would be worshiped (In Judges 6:25, Gideon is commanded by God to “Tear down your father’s altar to Baal and cut down the Asherah pole beside it.” See also Isaiah 17:8 and Jeremiah 17:2). The Asherah, along with other man-made idols, were often decorated with various cloth hangings (2 Kings 23:7), as well as gold and silver.

Isaiah 44:14-19 gives a detailed picture of how a tree was cut down and fashioned into an idol - and the absurdity of it all.

He cut down cedars, or perhaps took a cypress or oak. He let it grow among the trees of the forest, or planted a pine, and the rain made it grow. 15 It is man’s fuel for burning; some of it he takes and warms himself, he kindles a fire and bakes bread. But he also fashions a god and worships it; he makes an idol and bows down to it. 16 Half of the wood he burns in the fire; over it he prepares his meal, he roasts his meat and eats his fill. He also warms himself and says, “Ah! I am warm; I see the fire.” 17 From the rest he makes a god, his idol; he bows down to it and worships. He prays to it and says, “Save me; you are my god.” 18 They know nothing, they understand nothing; their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see, and their minds closed so they cannot understand. 19 No one stops to think, no one has the knowledge or understanding to say, “Half of it I used for fuel; I even baked bread over its coals, I roasted meat and I ate. Shall I make a detestable thing from what is left? Shall I bow down to a block of wood?”

From the foregoing, it is abundantly clear that the “decorated tree” to which Jeremiah 10 refers is an idol, very likely the Asherah. Therefore, it is very superficial Bible interpretation and pure silliness to understand this passage as directly referring to the use of a fir tree for Christmas! If, and I repeat, if those who set up a Christmas tree fall down and worship it as a god or goddess, complete with altars and incense stands, then Jeremiah 10 applies here. Or if someone loves their Christmas tree more than God, then such a thing might also be considered spiritual idolatry. But apart from these exceptions, I think it is abundantly clear that Christians who erect Christmas trees are NOT worshiping them as gods or goddesses, nor are they loving them more than their Savior Jesus Christ. They are simply using the Christmas tree as a fun custom, one that can remind them of Jesus who is the branch of David (Jeremiah 23:5; 33:15), the root of Jesse (Isaiah 11:1). One that can remind them of the tree that led Adam and Eve to sin, but more importantly, the tree on which Christ Jesus died to make atonement for the sins of the whole world (Acts 5:30; Gal. 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24).

Christians should know that they can use a Christmas tree with a good conscience. It is unfortunate and wrong when well-meaning Christians call something sin that is not sin, and enslave the consciences of their fellow believers with imaginary sin! Shame on such Christians! Those who continue to believe that the Christmas tree is pagan and sinful, even after having their conscience correctly informed, should not use them. For it is not right to sin against conscience. This is regrettable, however, since there is absolutely nothing wrong with using a Christmas tree.


25 posted on 11/15/2011 9:30:10 AM PST by johngrace (1 John 4!- declared at every Sunday Mass.)
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To: johngrace

http://www.orlutheran.com/html/jer10.html


26 posted on 11/15/2011 9:30:38 AM PST by johngrace (1 John 4!- declared at every Sunday Mass.)
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To: johngrace
Deut 12:30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ 31 You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way; for every abomination to the LORD which He hates they have done to their gods....
32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.

The 3000 killed at Mt Sinai didn't think they were worshiping another god, but they used the symbols of their former pagan god to worship YHVH. YHVH says x-mas trees are no different in His eyes than the golden calf. It's not about us, it's about HIM and as long as His children cling to the ways & symbols of idolatry, the curses of Deut 28 will continue to escalate.

27 posted on 11/15/2011 9:47:15 AM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: johngrace
Jer 10 has EVERYTHING to do with the customs practiced at x-mass. It is the time of year when theft is at it's highest, when murder & suicide peaks and it is also the time of year when SIDS is most prevalent.
28 posted on 11/15/2011 9:53:10 AM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin

That would certainly explain the cloud of evil that hangs around my neighborhood every Christmas...


29 posted on 11/15/2011 9:57:43 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: patlin

Hogwash! We have curses no matter until? The curses are here till God takes over. Praise Jesus!! Come Soon!!


30 posted on 11/15/2011 10:01:52 AM PST by johngrace (1 John 4!- declared at every Sunday Mass.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
When one thinks of all the evil that is connected to the religious days adopted by man it reminds me of Matthew 15 where Yah’shua Messiah said

3 Jesus replied, And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?.... you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules
.’

31 posted on 11/15/2011 10:04:22 AM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: johngrace
Wrong. The front of the book says differently! The curses are ONLY for those who turn from His ways and live according to man. Do others curses affect us? YES! And thus the reason He told us in Ez 33 to blow the shofar! Warn the people lest the blood of their iniquities be on our hands.

The shofar has been blown, the warning has gone out.

32 posted on 11/15/2011 10:18:36 AM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: NYer
Knights of Columbus councils have a place decency committees, which positions appear to be almost always unfilled.

Enterprising Catholic parishioners should try and strike up relationships with theater managers and see if they can encourage them to screen as few of these nasty films as possible. (Left-wingers might be doing this already.)

33 posted on 11/15/2011 11:00:10 AM PST by Dumb_Ox
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To: patlin

Can I give you a Christmas ornament for your Christmas tree? LOL!!! His Divine Mercy is greater than our legalistic moments. Praise Jesus!!!


34 posted on 11/16/2011 1:54:28 AM PST by johngrace (1 John 4!- declared at every Sunday Mass.)
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To: johngrace

hahaha? you laugh but “HE” doesn’t, you do know these words we write are being recorded for judgment day don’t you?


35 posted on 11/16/2011 8:28:25 AM PST by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin

Iron out the starch!! I know my redeemer! He will judge me not you!! I am in Christ! Praise Jesus!!


36 posted on 11/16/2011 9:38:36 PM PST by johngrace (1 John 4!- declared at every Sunday Mass.)
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To: NYer

thx for the warning. it seems i recall that a few moments of the first movie caught while channel surfing some years ago seemed funny. I must have been fooled.


37 posted on 11/19/2011 4:20:26 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (guitars and women.)
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