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Now The Serpent Was More Subtil...Genesis 3
http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/the-serpent-was-more-subtil-gen-3-pt-1/ ^ | 11-19-11 | Bill Randles

Posted on 11/19/2011 7:23:19 PM PST by pastorbillrandles

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1 posted on 11/19/2011 7:23:21 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

Note to all, I spelled Subtil in the title the way it was spelled in the KJV I quoted,i know,I know, it is spelled Subtle in modern usage.


2 posted on 11/19/2011 8:30:49 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

I love you all, but SERIOUSLY!:

http://www.devorapublishing.com/Wpages/BookSpecific/Beast7798.htm

THIS MAN has something new to teach y’all!


3 posted on 11/19/2011 8:38:52 PM PST by Sarah (seriou)
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To: pastorbillrandles

ping


4 posted on 11/19/2011 8:51:23 PM PST by Jude in WV
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To: pastorbillrandles

God’s big mistake was in lying to Adam and Eve, he shouldn’t have told them they were going to die, he should have told them the absolute truth about the tree, thereby taking away the Devil’s most compelling argument: That God lied.


5 posted on 11/19/2011 9:17:42 PM PST by calex59
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To: Sarah

Are you leveling a criticism? What specifically do you object to...without pimping some book?


6 posted on 11/19/2011 11:26:22 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)
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To: calex59

Men have been dying since the garden....God did not lie!


7 posted on 11/19/2011 11:29:59 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)
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To: pastorbillrandles
First, she maximised the prohibition of God

No, she embellished what God said, although Adam was probably the guilty one since it was he that got the instruction directly from God - not Eve. Anyway, that embellishment was all the room that satan needed.

8 posted on 11/19/2011 11:35:29 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: mdmathis6

He did lie, or at least didn’t tell the whole truth, which is the same as lying outright. Eating the fruit didn’t kill them out right as God implied. A lie is a lie, regardless of who tells it.


9 posted on 11/20/2011 1:32:15 AM PST by calex59
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To: pastorbillrandles
" ... neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. "

When Eve decided to rely on her own interpretation of the Word without any regard for how Adam understood the Word she was already disobeying God by usurping the authority God had given to Adam. Once she refused to acknowledge the authority of Adam. She had become a usurper and would inevitably seek to usurp the authority of God as well.

The real subtlety of the Serpent wasn't how he presented temptation. It was in speaking directly to Eve while ignoring Adam and thereby recognizing her usurpation of authority as legitimate. Once Eve had been flattered by being recognized as the highest authority on His Word, simply suggesting to Eve that eating from the tree would grant her authority equal to God was all it took. She had already decided there was no reason to stop with just ignoring the authority God had placed over her when she could just as easily ignore the authority of God as well.

10 posted on 11/20/2011 1:33:17 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: calex59

Convoluted statement. A lie is not about revealing a whole truth. The whole scene in the Garden was about trusting God’s Word. He absolutely pointed out any thing in the garden but one. Adam disobeyed. He did not trust God’s word.


11 posted on 11/20/2011 1:47:40 AM PST by johngrace (1 John 4!- declared at every Sunday Mass.)
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To: Rashputin

Your view is refreshing and interesting .


12 posted on 11/20/2011 1:50:28 AM PST by johngrace (1 John 4!- declared at every Sunday Mass.)
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You are spinning things in order to satisfy your need to not have God be a liar. The truth is, if you withhold the truth, you have, in fact, told a lie. The MSM withholds news stories they don’t want you to hear about daily, these are lies for they lead you to believe something that is not true. God led Adam and Eve to believe they would die immediately if they ate the forbidden fruit, this was a lie. Either except that or don’t, but either way I am tired of explaining it to you. Please don’t answer this comment.


13 posted on 11/20/2011 3:49:17 AM PST by calex59
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Adam did indeed die, that very day, so did Eve, for death is not merely physical, death is a severance from the Creator, which results in a separation from one’s environment, friends, family, and yes eventually the separation of body and soul, ie physical death. God didn’t lie.


14 posted on 11/20/2011 6:17:43 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: calex59

Are you arguing from a Judeo Christian frame of reference when you imply that God violated his own code or are you arguing from some other moral frame of reference?

Adam and Eve died spiritually and fell out of fellowship with God, and eventually they died physically as well. Genesis gives us “just the bare facts, mam’m” about what God said and what Eve did. We can glean some facts indirectly, in that Adam and Eve seemed to have a concept of death but didn’t know precisely what that experience was. God is also teaching us that “dying” is something a bit more complex then just a simple cessation of all metabolic processes. The term in Genesis used for their sin literally means “going wide of the mark”, an archery term. Adam and Eve were thrust out of the Garden for their sin, after animals were killed to provide clothing to cover their nakedness...the first blood sacrifice. They were thrust into a world where the ground was cursed and would not be easyeasily worked to grow their food....nature itself was suddenly turned against man. They were cast into a spiritual world made chaotic by their rebellion against God with hell as their final destination. Yeah, they “died” in the fullest sense in the way God sees death, not just the physical aspect.

As for why they did not immediately physically “die”, has to do with the grace and long suffering of God who grants us all enough time to come to our moral senses, repent of our sin and pride, so that fellowship can be restored. Even if physical death was to be inevitable, a man’s soul and spirit, the essence of all that he is could be preserved with God. For as Paul says,”The outer man perishes but the inner man is renewed day by day!”


15 posted on 11/20/2011 8:23:17 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)
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To: mdmathis6

you’re vulgar... didn’t take much to ‘get ye acursing!’


16 posted on 11/20/2011 9:10:04 AM PST by Sarah (seriou)
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To: Sarah

Truth can be vulgar, like the insistence of a surgeon’s blade cutting into necrotic flesh...now answer the question what do you find so wrong with pastor randall’s posting?


17 posted on 11/20/2011 9:30:12 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)
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To: Sarah

It’s seems “ye were accusing” Randalls. Why the criticism?


18 posted on 11/20/2011 9:32:04 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)
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To: pastorbillrandles

I believe this to be allegorical, like the creation of the universe and the world. But quite real in that God created the world, and the essence of sin as the human mind began to abstract information from its environment.


19 posted on 11/20/2011 1:49:31 PM PST by onedoug (lf)
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To: onedoug

Even allegory attempts to explain a hyper reality which is as “true” as we know truth to be. That truth being that all men”hath sinned and fell short of the Glory Of God!”

An event happened in the history of man that caused us to lose our birthright with God; perhaps as an event it could be only explained as allegory but the event happened, Satan attempted to intervene with God’s order and men were corrupted in the process.

Yet God planned a corrective and at the right time in history, God thru his Son entered our material universe...indeed Christ is God’s very thumprint pressed into matter.


20 posted on 11/20/2011 4:02:05 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make mankind into God but to put God into men!)
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