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Why I do not believe in the 'Rapture'

Posted on 11/26/2011 3:33:54 PM PST by Iggles Phan

My problem with the 'Rapture' (pre-millenial; pre-tribulation) teaching is that it forces its adherents to actually REVERSE the Person of Jesus Christ to the Devil.

That's correct.

In the 'Rapture' (or Dispensational) scheme the believer is asked to take the Person of Daniel's 70th Week (Who is Jesus Christ at the Cross) described in Chapter 9, verse 27a:

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, ..."

... and reverse this 'he' to mean a 'future Antichrist'.

Are you confused?

Is this Jesus Christ or Antichrist?

1. The Historic View.

This view is typified by the 1599 Geneva Bible notes. These are the notes of John Calvin, Miles Coverdale, and John Knox to name a few.

1599 Geneva Bible Notes on Daniel 9:27a:

"By the preaching of the gospel he confirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection."

It's pretty clear that the Reformers believed that Christ was the Person of Daniel's Great 70th Week.

2. The Modernist View (Dispensational).

In contrast however, compare this historic view to the Dispensational view typified in the Ryrie Study Notes (1978). Look who the modernists assign to this very same Person in Daniel 9:27a:

"The prince of verse 26, the Antichrist previously introduced in 7:8, 24-26, who will make a pact with many (of the Jewish people) at the beginning of the tribulation period. But in the middle of the week (i.e., 3 1/2 years later) Antichrist will break his covenant and desecrate the Temple by demanding worship of himself in it."

The difference couldn't be farther apart.

Historic Christianity says that Jesus fulfilled the 70th week AT THE CROSS, but Rapture Christianity (Dispensationalism) says that the Devil fulfills it in a 're-built' temple.

Therefore, Dispensationalism is no less than a frontal assault on the Cross of Christ. It reverses Jesus Christ to the Devil. It is malicious and a pernicious doctrine.

Remember, this Dispensational view was NEVER known until 1830. That's why it is a Modernist view. It was invented by JN Darby and popularized by CI Scofield, two con-men to Christianity.

In the 20th century, carpetbaggers such as Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, Jack (and Rexella) Van Impe, John Hagee and others have made fame and fortune off of this con game. They have marketed this 'Rapture' theology like a cheap box of laundry detergent on TV and radio, and with videos and books.

My hope and prayer is that the Church starts to wake up out of its slumber and starts challenging its pastors, ministries, and teachers. The Cross of Christ is at stake here!

For the Glory of Christ Jesus. Amen.


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To: CynicalBear

INDEED.


201 posted on 11/28/2011 8:25:54 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cvengr

INDEED.

WELL PUT.

THX.


203 posted on 11/28/2011 8:28:20 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: smvoice

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.


204 posted on 11/28/2011 8:29:11 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: marbren

I think that’s an astute observation.

Do you have a link for that JD sermon?

LUB BRO


205 posted on 11/28/2011 8:30:15 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: sauropod
...I find it odd that a new signer upper thinks he can start posting articles - esp about controversial topics - right away.

...I find it amusing that you have that much spare time. Bravo!

...Ad mod>Post patrol. Have you been deputized or are you making a citizens arrest?

206 posted on 11/28/2011 8:43:02 AM PST by gargoyle ( Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice... Barry Goldwater.)
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To: F15Eagle; wagglebee

I dunno. Maybe because someone IS a banned partial-pre replacementarian retread.....


207 posted on 11/28/2011 8:53:10 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: The Theophilus
I'm sorry, but Acts 15 doesn't mention which of the end-time theories we must 'believe' in.

I 'believe' that many of us will see the 'end' in a car wreck, and all the guessing we've made until then will have proven fruitless.

Now, with that said, can we get back to the dancing angels conundrum?

;^)

208 posted on 11/28/2011 9:04:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie; The Theophilus; F15Eagle; ColdSteelTalon

Well, we’re going to know after the fact who was right.

The best thing is to be prepared for all contingencies.

If we’re walking in Christ as we ought, then no matter what happens we’re good.

Personally, I’d PREFER the pre-trib rapture scenario. Sounds like the most fun. But what I want does not dictate God’s actions.


209 posted on 11/28/2011 9:12:17 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: marbren; GiovannaNicoletta; Quix

The best thing Satan can do is convince everyone that it’s not going to happen and that there is no anti-Christ or devil.

Confusion is one of his best strategies.


210 posted on 11/28/2011 9:15:37 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; F15Eagle
The easiest solution is to ask the poster how he feels about Jews and Ron Paul.
211 posted on 11/28/2011 9:25:03 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: metmom
If we’re walking in Christ as we ought, then no matter what happens we’re good.

Worth repeating.

212 posted on 11/28/2011 9:48:09 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: metmom

The best thing Satan can do is convince everyone that it’s not going to happen and that there is no anti-Christ or devil.

Confusion is one of his best strategies.


YUP. And the RCC Catechism & Magisterical are two of the best examples of such thick layers of confusion.


214 posted on 11/28/2011 10:30:56 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
There are people who are desperate for the Bible to be a book of fairy tales instead of the word of God, absolute truth, inerrant, and, as far as the prophecies are concerned, more certain to happen than the sun coming up tomorrow.

These are people who are doomed if the Bible is true. So they either have to deny it repeatedly to try to convince themselves that they have nothing to worry about, or make up some XBox video fantasy of what is "going to happen" that has absolutely no basis in Scripture.

If you have about a half hour free sometime, here is a message that proves that the denial of the Rapture, which is exactly what the OP is doing, is a major sign of Christ's return. Fulfilled prophecy happening on FreeRepublic - who woulda thought it?

215 posted on 11/28/2011 2:26:44 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: reed13

Yes, definitely search the Scriptures - and if you find anything that supports a post-Trib Rapture, will you please FReepmail it to me?


216 posted on 11/28/2011 2:29:31 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: Iggles Phan
So now you're claiming that Scripture contradicts itself? You've already crossed the line at denying it, it's not a far leap at all to stupidly claim that God contradicted Himself when He wrote the Bible.

Go ahead and tell us all - does the Bible contradict itself? Because if you're going to cling to the false claim about the verse you posted after you were proven wrong, you're stating that not only does the passage contradict the Rapture Scripture in 1 Thessalonians, but all the other Rapture Scripture that God gave us, a little of which I listed for you. So tell us - does God contradict Himself, or are you and your inability to understand what He wrote the problem?

My advice to you is to repent of your denial of the word of God. So far, my "dispensationalism" of taking Scripture literally is actually occurring in the world, just like Christ said it would. I have no worries and no concerns at all about my theology.

Like I told you before, your lame use of the word "dispensationalism" to try to hide your contempt and denial of Scripture is fooling no one. You have not been able to validate anything you have claimed with Scripture.

My advice to you is to do some major repenting yourself and come to Christ for salvation before it's too late.

217 posted on 11/28/2011 2:38:16 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: Quix
Again, the Scripture has been given to him, it has been denied and rejected and changed to fit a false doctrine. The fate is sealed.

He has no excuse.

218 posted on 11/28/2011 2:40:29 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: Lera
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP!!!

Very well said, Lera!!

219 posted on 11/28/2011 2:43:06 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: Elsie
He's very plainly denying the Scriptural doctrine of the Rapture.

He has had several chances to correct any misunderstandings and several times he has reiterated his denial of the Biblical doctrine of the Rapture.

220 posted on 11/28/2011 2:44:56 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: CynicalBear

Excellent post, CynicalBear. Thank you.


221 posted on 11/28/2011 2:47:44 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: smvoice
Excellent post, smvoice. Thank you.

So far, no Scripture has been produced to support the original statement, only repeated denials of the passages that have been given that proves the original statement wrong. That says it all.

222 posted on 11/28/2011 2:50:51 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: marbren
I think you're exactly right, marbren.

I posted the link to that message by Pastor JD in this thread - the fact that the Rapture is being denied is a major fulfillment of a sign of Christ's return.

The denials are a result of spiritual blindness and it is more assurance that our Redeemer is coming very soon!

223 posted on 11/28/2011 2:54:08 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: metmom
And everyone makes the choice what to believe and will be held responsible for his choices.

Great post, metmom!

224 posted on 11/28/2011 3:02:38 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

INDEED.

I think you’re quite right.


225 posted on 11/28/2011 3:34:56 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

INDEED.


226 posted on 11/28/2011 3:36:10 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; marbren
The denials are a result of spiritual blindness and it is more assurance that our Redeemer is coming very soon!


Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

(in a word ... they are worldly)
227 posted on 11/28/2011 3:49:18 PM PST by Lera
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To: Lera
Exactly, and that's why they are so desperate to convince themselves that the prophetic Scriptures are anything but what God says they are.

They know that all of this does not turn out for good for them.

228 posted on 11/28/2011 3:58:01 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: The Theophilus
Have you read my posts? Also am I going to get an apology from you for calling me an anti-semite?

I am waiting but not holding my breath. If you are a Christian you will apologize.

Don't just ignore me because I pointed out your hate...

229 posted on 11/28/2011 3:58:05 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Quix

Dear Dispensationalist,

Unfortunately, you only reference other Modernists.

Your basic argument says that the ‘he’ for verse 27 is the same throughout the entire verse, and since the second half of this verse deals with the ‘overspreading of abominations’, then this must be the ‘antichrist’.

However, such an argument excludes context. If one were to apply that same logic to the previous passage, verse 26, then one would have a conflict, because the first half of the verse is clearly the Messiah, and the second half of the verse is the ‘people of the prince’.

Let’s look at this:

26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah (A) be cut off, but not for himself: ... and .... the people of the prince (B) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

NOTICE THAT THE SUBJECT CHANGES AFTER THE CONJUNCTIVE!!!

27: And he (A) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he (A) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, ... and ... for the overspreading of abominations he (B) shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

LIKEWISE, THE SAME PATTERN IN THIS VERSE!!!

Note that both of these verses, 26 and 27, are CONJUNCTIVE (e.g. two complete sentences, with two different subjects, joined together by the conjunctive ‘and’) in their construct.

So, the first half of the conjunctive deals with the Messiah (A), and the second half of the conjunctive deals with a completely different subject, e.g. the ‘people of the prince’ (B).

Therefore to be consistent, one would expect each verse to resemble an A-B, A-B construct.

Dispensationalism violates this Scriptural pattern by using an A-B, B-B construct!

This is one Scriptural reason why Jesus, not Antichrist, fulfills the 70th Week.

However, even on a more basic Scriptural level, we can look at the Purposes of the Great 70 Weeks (Daniel 9:24):

a) to finish the transgression,
b) to make an end of sins,
c) to make reconciliation for iniquity,
d) to bring in everlasting righteousness,
e) to seal up the vision and prophecy,
f) and to anoint the most Holy.

Are you actually going to stand there with a straight face and say that the Devil fulfills these Great 70 Week Purposes?

Again, who is the REAL Replacement Theologian here?

Jesus fulfilled the first 69 Weeks (we both agree with that). Why would God be so flippant so as to change the 70th Week to the Devil ... to finish transgressions and to end sin?

That makes no sense at all, even on the face of it.

You have REPLACED Jesus for the Devil. Shame on you!

Dear Dispensationalist, repent of your dipensational sin.


230 posted on 11/28/2011 5:16:03 PM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: Elsie

“There is enough scripture to support all 3 major ways of looking at it; if ones CHOOSES their bible selections carefully.”

Answer:

This kind of reply really kills me.

Unfortunately, it is so typical of our Modernist pick-n-choose Churches and theologies these days.

What this writer is saying is that there is no absolute Truth. That it is wholey fine to confuse Jesus for the Devil and that there are no ramifications.

I disagree.

Dispensationalism is wrong because it attacks the Cross. We are not talking about some mere doctinal difference here. We are talking about a denial of the Cross. Hence, by implicaton, a denial of the atoning work of our Saviour.

No ... it is not OK to be ‘cute’ with the Bible just to justify one’s position. Especially, when one confuses Jesus at the Cross with the Devil.

I’m sorry, that crosses the line.


231 posted on 11/28/2011 5:26:11 PM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: editor-surveyor

John wrote Revelation prior to the fall of Jerusalem.

There is enough internal Scriptural evidence to show that.

Recommend you read:

Before Jerusalem Fell by Gentry

Redating the New Testament by Robinson

One note about the 95 AD dating:

There is only one vague reference in all of archeology on this, and it does not say that the Revelation was written then. It simply says that John was seen then.

Moreover, the guy credited with this observation believed that Jesus lived until He was 50 years old when He was crucified. Hardly a reliable dating source.

So one must ask the obvious question here ... Who is really 20 years off?


232 posted on 11/28/2011 5:37:11 PM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: CynicalBear

It sounds like to me that you are describing the resurrection that this very same person, St. Paul, described in I Cor 15:50.


233 posted on 11/28/2011 5:48:23 PM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: Cvengr

“Daniel’s 70th week is identifiable with the Great Tribulation and descriptions of the 70th week are associated with the Great Tribulation.”

Answer:

Says who? ... Scofield, LaHaye, Hagee?

Your statement above is exactly the flim-flam type ‘associations’ that get us into this Dispensational mess in the first place.

You are wrong. People can see through this stuff very easily.


234 posted on 11/28/2011 5:53:55 PM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: smvoice

“It is by dispensationalism that you even KNOW about the Atonement of Christ, they Body of Christ, the forming of the Church the body of Christ, the grace of God, the gospel of your salvation, the fulness of the Gentiles being brought in, and the ending of this age of grace.”

Answer:

This is a pretty bold and self-serving statement.

According to your view then, no one knew about the Atonement of Christ, they BOdy of Christ, the forming of the Church the body of Christ, the grace of God, the gospel of your salvation, the fulness of the Gentiles being brought in, prior to 1830 when Dispensationalism was first invented by JN Darby.


235 posted on 11/28/2011 6:00:44 PM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: Iggles Phan
>>It sounds like to me that you are describing the resurrection that this very same person, St. Paul, described in I Cor 15:50.<<

That’s what happens at the Rapture!

236 posted on 11/28/2011 6:02:06 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: smvoice

“It is by dispensationalism that you even KNOW about the Atonement of Christ, they BOdy of Christ, the forming of the Church the body of Christ, the grace of God, the gospel of your salvation, the fulness of the Gentiles being brought in, and the ending of this age of grace.”

Answer:

This is a pretty bold and self-serving statement.

According to your view then, no one knew about the Atonement of Christ, they BOdy of Christ, the forming of the Church the body of Christ, the grace of God, the gospel of your salvation, the fulness of the Gentiles being brought in, prior to 1830 when Dispensationalism was first invented by JN Darby.


237 posted on 11/28/2011 6:04:51 PM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: CynicalBear

Then why don’t you and other Dispensationalists use the Scriptural term - resurrection?

Why do you have to make up a non-scriptural term called the ‘rapture’?

Are Dispensationalists just trying to be ‘different’ here?

Are they trying to be ‘cute’ with God’s word?

Or, as I surmise ...

Are they really reading something extra into this so as to be more sensational. Perhaps threaten people with fear?

Hmmmm.


238 posted on 11/28/2011 6:17:19 PM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: Gluteus Maximus

“Revelation was written sometime after that [after 70 A.D.]. St. John (who lived until about 95 AD) is explaining the spiritual realities behind those events.”

There’s a considerable amount of scholarship to the contrary. Many have noted how unlikely it is for the book to have been written AFTER 70 A.D. and never mention the fall of the Temple as a fact. From that, and many other textual arguments, they conclude it was written before 70 A.D. I wish I still had the reference; but there is quite a well written PhD thesis on the subject.

Of course, if Revelation (after the letters) concerns the future, then no mention of the Temple’s destruction makes more sense.

IMO, the argument that makes the least sense is that the book is actually talking about stuff that had already happened—John does explicitly say these things are to come. That happens right after the letters to the seven churches and as an introduction to the rest of the book. “Come up here and I will show you what must take place AFTER this.” 4:1.

Thanks for the reference to Scott Hahn. I will read it.


239 posted on 11/28/2011 6:18:50 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Elsie

lol


240 posted on 11/28/2011 6:37:30 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (Member of the First Church of Christ, I am Catholic)
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To: Iggles Phan
>> Why do you have to make up a non-scriptural term called the ‘rapture’?<<

A simple translation from Greek to Latin to English.

241 posted on 11/28/2011 6:42:05 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

A quote from another rapture thread on another site:

“As far as the ‘rapture’ is concerned, I think the interpretations of some people are due to their misunderstanding of the concept of the just being ‘caught up’ when Jesus appears at the Second Coming.

They don’t seem to realize that when He comes back for all to see, it will all be over except the final Judgement that will happen at that point in time. He won’t be calling them up so they can watch it all happen without ever having to suffer anything, at all. That’s not how God works.

The suffering of the righteous is always necessary to help pay for the sins of others that are less righteous. That’s why we have martyrs that are willing to die for their faith. Their heroism makes up in some way for what is lacking in the rest of us.

There’s no place in the history of the Bible where the punishments that were sent by God ever spared His own people from any kind of suffering.

Noah and his immediate family certainly must have suffered by having to bear the humiliation and taunting of those that refused to believe that the flood was coming, as well as the loss of all of their friends and neighbors when it finally came. I doubt that the cries of the people around them didn’t cause them any pain when they heard them pleading for him to let them in the ark.

When Lot and his family were lead away from Sodom, I doubt they were dancing a jig while they listened to the screams of those people that were being destroyed, even while knowing that they were evil, including Lot’s wife that couldn’t resist looking back to see it. You don’t go through that kind of ordeal without being deeply affected by it.

Even the Israelites that were led out of Egypt by Moses, suffered in the desert for 40 years because so many of them lacked faith, even though God was always, visibly, with them. He still punished them, even though He loved them, and had chosen to save them from slavery because of the faith of their fathers.

Anyone that expects to be spared from all suffering during the Tribulation, is not really thinking about how God usually works. They’re being a little naive to believe anyone that tells them that some of them will escape without any suffering. I know it’s a nice thought, but it’s not typical of the way God has done things in the past.

If they think about the fact that God didn’t even spare His Only Son from suffering all that He did, how can they believe that they could be worthy of being spared? It just doesn’t make any theological sense to me. “

And let us not forget Job.
__________________


242 posted on 11/28/2011 6:52:47 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (Member of the First Church of Christ, I am Catholic)
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To: Iggles Phan

Nothing in the passage you quote relates to the Rapture. It isn’t a Rapture passage.

The three verses Daniel 9:25 through 9:27 describe the 70 sevens for purposes described in Dan 9:24.

It is a Great Tribulation Passage directly contrasting the Messiah the Prince, with the prince which is to come which is the opposite of the Messiah the Prince.

It is very clear to any student of Scripture for the past 3000 years or so.

The Rapture passages are all NT passages. The Church Age wasn’t even discussed in the OT other than inference of a time where the Messiah would be cut off. Daniel is entirely focused upon the time of the Gentiles, which is partly why Gabriel is sent to let him understand what times have been carved out for Israel and Jerusalem regarding the Gentile interval/dispensation.

Go back and reread Daniel from scratch. It is very informative.


243 posted on 11/28/2011 7:04:51 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Iggles Phan

You DID notice that ‘chooses’ was in CAPS??


244 posted on 11/28/2011 7:09:04 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Iggles Phan; GiovannaNicoletta

It appears that we may not share sufficient common vocabulary to have a meaningful discussion even remotely approaching a dialogue.

Your mangling of the construction of that verse is incredibly inept, nonsensical, UNBiblical and generally lacking in a microgram worth of sense.

I cannot force you to see or understand that the 2nd Prince in that verse is the Anti-Christ. Holy Spirit alone can do that. I’ve never observed Him do so over the top of innate abject stubbornness.


245 posted on 11/28/2011 7:10:35 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Iggles Phan

You have to completely dismiss the testimony of Polycarp, and his age. He was a toddler when Jerusalem was sacked.

You’re not being logical on this.


246 posted on 11/28/2011 7:10:41 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Iggles Phan

El Shaddai, The Great I AM

is the furthest thing possible from flippant.

Flippant is idiotic mangling of the language of those verses.

Deceptions from hell are poor starting points for Biblical understanding of END TIMES prophecies.


247 posted on 11/28/2011 7:11:58 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Iggles Phan

It’s really incredible the stuff REPLACEMENTARIANS believe.

Ghastly.


248 posted on 11/28/2011 7:13:00 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cvengr

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.


249 posted on 11/28/2011 7:15:23 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
>> There’s no place in the history of the Bible where the punishments that were sent by God ever spared His own people from any kind of suffering.<<

Have you never read about Lot or Noah?

>> Noah and his immediate family certainly must have suffered by having to bear the humiliation and taunting of those that refused to believe that the flood was coming<<

And your making fun of those who believe the Rapture is coming is what?

>> When Lot and his family were lead away from Sodom, I doubt they were dancing a jig while they listened to the screams of those people that were being destroyed<<

And those who leave in the Rapture watching friends who didn’t believe being left behind?

250 posted on 11/28/2011 7:33:55 PM PST by CynicalBear
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