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Can Priests Go Hunting? The Council of Trent provides an answer...
Canterbury Tales ^ | November 30, 2011 | Taylor Marshall

Posted on 12/01/2011 6:45:42 AM PST by NYer


It's hunting season, and with all the clamor about "guns and Christian men" in the previous post about "manly Christmas gifts," I did a quick search and found an interesting article about "hunting" in the Catholic Encyclopedia over at NewAdvent.org.


There has never been a prohibition against hunting for laymen. However, there is quite a controversial history concerning clerical hunting. The Council of Trent, for example, made the formal distinction between clamorous (clamorosa) hunting and quiet (quieta) hunting. (Session XXIV, 12). "Clamorous hunting" is forbidden to priests. However, "quiet hunting" is allowed.

Clamorous hunting likely refers to the large hunting parties that are sometimes associated with dogs, drinking, and lasciviousness. It is clear that this type of gathering would not be proper for a priest. "Quiet hunting" would be more like laying traps in the woods or going out alone with a deer rifle.

In the "Corpus Juris Canonici" (C. ii, X, De cleric. venat.) we read: "We forbid to all servants of God hunting and expeditions through the woods with hounds; and we also forbid them to keep hawks or falcons." The Fourth Council of the Lateran, held under Pope Innocent III, decrees (can. xv): "We interdict hunting or hawking to all clerics." It seems here that there is a worry that hunting and hawking takes too much time for recreation. We imagine modern canons to read "golfing."

I don't know where canon law stands today, but I thought you might find the history of the questoin to be rather interesting.
Happy Hunting,


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: clergy; hunting; trent

1 posted on 12/01/2011 6:45:47 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

In case you were wondering, ping!


2 posted on 12/01/2011 6:46:43 AM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

My uncle’s a priest. He hunts.


3 posted on 12/01/2011 6:48:54 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: NYer

Is the good padre waiting for the mailman?


4 posted on 12/01/2011 6:50:51 AM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: NYer

“Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.”

Genesis 9:3


5 posted on 12/01/2011 6:52:45 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: NYer
Genesis 1:29-30

And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so.
6 posted on 12/01/2011 6:52:58 AM PST by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: mrmeyer

Acts 10:3, Acts 11:7

“Arise, Peter! Kill and eat”


7 posted on 12/01/2011 6:57:33 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: All
There has never been a prohibition against hunting for laymen. However, there is quite a controversial history concerning clerical hunting. The Council of Trent, for example, made the formal distinction between clamorous (clamorosa) hunting and quiet (quieta) hunting. (Session XXIV, 12). "Clamorous hunting" is forbidden to priests. However, "quiet hunting" is allowed.

Clamorous hunting likely refers to the large hunting parties that are sometimes associated with dogs, drinking, and lasciviousness. It is clear that this type of gathering would not be proper for a priest. "Quiet hunting" would be more like laying traps in the woods or going out alone with a deer rifle.

Oh fer cryin' out loud - more evidence that the Council of Trent had nothing better to do.

Related thread:
Priest hunts free of moral conflict - but only when they're in season.

8 posted on 12/01/2011 6:58:49 AM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
"....Acts 10:3, Acts 11:7 “Arise, Peter! Kill and eat”...."

LOL. And that includes pork chops...!!!

By the way, how does one go about "clamorously" hunting?

9 posted on 12/01/2011 7:51:14 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

LOL! It looks like a historic rifle. Maybe he’s a reenactor ;-).


10 posted on 12/01/2011 8:04:13 AM PST by Tax-chick (There is no satire that is more ridiculous than the reality of our current government.~freedumb2003)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel

ROFL!


11 posted on 12/01/2011 8:13:24 AM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Alex Murphy
The kind of "clamorous hunting" they're prohibiting was the pastime of the very rich (and still is, in England and parts of the U.S.). They were the people who could put together hunting parties with hounds, horses, bugles, servants, etc.

I should think you'd be all in favor of the CofT prohibiting priests from living like members of the minor nobility and insisting that they practice evangelical poverty.

12 posted on 12/01/2011 8:18:43 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Victor

This is what they had in mind by "clamorous hunting".

13 posted on 12/01/2011 8:20:16 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Campion
That actually is relatively quiet hunting, compared to what Trent was talking about. There was a lot of wine, women and song connected with the medieval hunt, particularly stag and boar:

Fox hunting is relatively quiet and serious, you also have to be a pretty darned good rider to keep up with the field.

But the issue of whether a priest can fox-hunt has always been an issue, and was taken up by no less a personage than Anthony Trollope (himself a very keen rider to hounds until age and health got the better of him):

The Hunting Parson


14 posted on 12/01/2011 8:53:38 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Is the good padre waiting for the mailman?

Looks like it, and the trap is baited, too (flag's up on the mailbox).

15 posted on 12/01/2011 8:54:18 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: NYer

As a matter of fact, the modern percussion cap was invented by a churchman to improve the ignition rate of his fowler.


16 posted on 12/01/2011 9:11:45 AM PST by Brass Lamp
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To: NYer
How about women religious?

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17 posted on 12/01/2011 9:28:04 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (You're it.)
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To: NYer
There has never been a prohibition against hunting for laymen. However, there is quite a controversial history concerning clerical hunting. The Council of Trent, for example, made the formal distinction between clamorous (clamorosa) hunting and quiet (quieta) hunting. (Session XXIV, 12). "Clamorous hunting" is forbidden to priests. However, "quiet hunting" is allowed.

I can't find an image online, but in the 2003 Luther movie, at one point they show Pope Leo and his party involved in "clamourous hunting", chasing a bore down with dogs and men on horseback with javalins.

18 posted on 12/01/2011 9:28:43 AM PST by Lee N. Field (I beat wasp nests with a stick for fun.)
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To: Lee N. Field; Constitution Day
... chasing a bore down with dogs ...

I'm rather sympathetic to that, actually.

19 posted on 12/01/2011 9:44:07 AM PST by Tax-chick (There is no satire that is more ridiculous than the reality of our current government.~freedumb2003)
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To: NYer
I'm a priest and I hunt:

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 2:5)

According to scripture ALL believers are members of this priesthood because they are in Christ.

20 posted on 12/01/2011 10:03:42 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: Tax-chick

Boor hunting from horseback also has possibilities.


21 posted on 12/01/2011 10:10:15 AM PST by Lee N. Field (I beat wasp nests with a stick for fun.)
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To: NYer

My Bishop, and probably a majority of priests in this diocese, hunt. Last year his excellency bagged a really nice buck on the opening day (he also drives a truck, and one of his ordination presents was a chainsaw). I think that the majority of non-hunting priests here give a special blessing to the hunters at the end of Mass on the first Sunday of deer season.

I live back in the woods, you see....


22 posted on 12/01/2011 10:21:04 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: NYer

Try telling Fr. Joe Classen that priests can’t go hunting. :-)

http://www.huntingforgod.com/page4.html


23 posted on 12/01/2011 11:40:34 AM PST by rwa265 ("This is My Beloved Son, Listen to Him.")
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To: NYer

Try telling Fr. Joe Classen that priests can’t go hunting. :-)

http://www.huntingforgod.com/page4.html


24 posted on 12/01/2011 11:41:27 AM PST by rwa265 ("This is My Beloved Son, Listen to Him.")
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To: Lee N. Field

Absolutely. Pleasant exercise, and a public service, too.


25 posted on 12/01/2011 12:54:49 PM PST by Tax-chick (There is no satire that is more ridiculous than the reality of our current government.~freedumb2003)
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To: Lee N. Field; Tax-chick
Boor hunting from horseback also has possibilities.

It would help to bring along one of these ....

Long before the Great Dane was called the Great Dane or German Mastiff they were simply known as Boarhounds and existed for the use of hunting wild boar. Given the exponential growth of wild hogs in many parts of the world, some hoggers are now turning to the Great Dane.

Dogo Argentino and Great Dane Hog Hunting Team This is a video of a Dogo Argentino and Great Dane catching feral hog in south Texas. Hog was winded by the Dogo and then caught by both dogs. The Dogo was then pulled off so the Dane could get some one on one time with the hog as this was his first catch in the wild.

26 posted on 12/01/2011 2:06:02 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer
You think this would count as safety orange?


27 posted on 12/01/2011 2:11:03 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: NYer
This is a video of a Dogo Argentino and Great Dane catching feral hog in south Texas.

Feral hogs are a huge problem in parts of the US. I saw a video recently of hunting them by helicopter. Not for fun, just to reduce their number.

Whatever he was shooting them with, one hit and they dropped.

28 posted on 12/01/2011 2:11:59 PM PST by Lee N. Field (I beat wasp nests with a stick for fun.)
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To: Lee N. Field
I saw a video recently of hunting them by helicopter. Not for fun, just to reduce their number. Whatever he was shooting them with, one hit and they dropped.

Yes ... I also saw that video. They were dropping nets from the helicopter.

29 posted on 12/01/2011 2:32:25 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Lee N. Field
Well, I can sympathize. Sometimes I want to chase bores down with dogs and javelins myself. Anything to get them to stop talking!

As C.S. Lewis said, "Inasmuch as ye have done this unto one of these my bores, so have ye done it unto me."

30 posted on 12/01/2011 3:32:00 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: nonsporting

But there’s a difference between the ordained priesthood and the ‘priesthood of believers’.


31 posted on 12/01/2011 3:35:13 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Hieronymus
That wouldn't be the redoubtable Bp. Etienne of Cheyenne, would it?

His Excellency with the Carmelites in his diocese -- with Carhartts for habits and a camo .308 in the hands of the bishop. He had something on his blog this week about hunting grizzly bears . . . . pretty tough bishop!

32 posted on 12/01/2011 3:40:41 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Bishop Mulhall of Pembroke up here in the Great White North.

However his friendship with Bishop Etienne dates back to the NAC.

One of those Carmelites was a student of mine—good community and a good state.


33 posted on 12/01/2011 4:34:58 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Hieronymus
That's nice to hear, always glad to find somebody who knows a member of a group personally.

I buy their coffee - it's very good! :-D

34 posted on 12/01/2011 5:23:03 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: NYer

The prohibition against hunting in the Council of Trent was because most hunting lands used to be property of the king, and the Vatican did not want priests to be beholden to the king for anything.

The prohibitions of Trent make good reading. One of the more interesting is a prohibition on drinking games, i.e. lining up shots, etc. Just like posting a sign today, it would not be needed unless someone was doing it...

Seraphicaviary


35 posted on 12/02/2011 6:58:35 PM PST by Seraphicaviary (St. Michael is gearing up. The angels are on the ready line.)
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