Posted on 12/09/2011 3:18:38 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
The anti-Catholic site justforcatholics.org quotes the non-infallible Nostra Aetate of Vatican II and the non-infallible 1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church (derived from Vatican II) to falsely assert that the Catholic Church officially teaches that Catholics and Muslims worship the same god.
Catholicism and Islam are monotheistic religions, that is, both believe that there is but one God. However, that does not necessarily imply that they worship the same God. Two men may be married to one woman, but that does not mean that they are married to the same woman. So, the question is whether Catholics and Muslims worship the same one God.
The modern Catholic Church has defined her relations to non-Christian religions in a document entitled Nostra Aetate. The section on Islam begins thus:
The Church regards with esteem also the Muslims. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men.
While it does not state explicitly that 'the one God' adored by the Muslims is the true and living God, this seems to be the natural implication. For why would Rome commend Muslims for this belief if their God was considered a false deity? Indeed, unlike their ancestors, many modern Catholics are convinced that they and Muslims worship the same God. [...]
Pro-Catholic Gloria.TV corrects this falsehood:
Gloria.TV – News Briefs — 09/12/2011 04:34:13:
Attendance at Islamic and Non-Catholic Worship
The abomination, which the Church has had from the very beginning for association of Catholics in the worship of Non Catholics [31], is evident from the words of St. John "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into the house, or say to him Welcome" - II John 1:10
Suarez (one of the greatest amongst the Jesuits theologians) affirms that the reason the Apostle gives for this prohibition is verified in religious communication especially, because he, who unites himself with those outside the Church in religious worship, communicates in their wicked works. [32]
A Catholic who communicates formally in the worship of Non Catholics sins grievously against the virtue of Religion, as a false exercise of it. [33] For this reason "One is never allowed to cooperate formally in something which is intrinsically wrong objectively." [34]
St. Augustine, the great Champion of Catholic orthodoxy, reproves both actual and simulated communication in non-Catholic worship. In a letter to St. Jerome he states that one who observes the rites of Jews, or Gentiles, not only truly, but even fictitiously, has fallen into the abyss of the devil. [35]
The mind of the Church on this point was enshrined in old Code of Canon Law (1917), which stated that: " It is not permitted at all for the faithful to assist in any active manner at or to have any part in the worship of non-Catholics." [36]
All subsequent moral theology works have simply reiterated the same point. [37]
Pius XI in dealing with this issue that was so vehement in his own day had only the following to say "Certainly such movements as these cannot gain the approval of Catholics. They are founded upon the false opinions of those who say that, since all religions equally unfold and signify- though not in the same way - the native, inborn feeling in us all through which we are borne toward God and humbly recognize His rule, therefore, all religions are more or less good and praiseworthy. The followers of this theory are not only deceived and mistaken, but since they repudiate the true religion by attacking it in its very essence, they move step by step toward naturalism and atheism. Hence it clearly follows that anyone who gives assent to such theories and undertakings utterly abandons divinely revealed religion. " [38]
The Church can never lawfully grant to Catholics permission to participate formally in non-Catholic worship. In dealing those who claim they have been given ecclesiastical permission to participate in the ceremonial rites of non Catholics Fr. Michael Muller in his well known work, "God the Teacher of Man Kind" aptly answers the question by stating "Neither any priest nor bishop, nay, not even the Pope, can give you permission to violate any of the commandments." [39]
It has been rashly stated the Mohammedans and other infidels adore the same God "together with us" [40] yet not only is this undoubtibly offensive to Catholic doctrine (as we have shown above) but it shows forth an ignorance of Islamic notion of God and their absurd doctrines. Mohammedans don't pray to their god, together with us, they pray to their false god against us! The Quran is explicit on this point as it openly states: "The Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before, may Allah destroy them, how they have turned away." [41]
Ultimately we can do no better than assume to ourselves the advice of the Apostle of the Gentiles (St. Paul) himself "Bear not the yoke with unbelievers. For what participation hath justice with injustice? Or what fellowship hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?" - II Cor. 6: 14-18.
But it is the teaching of the Catholic church so do Catholics get to choose which teachings they will accept or not?
To the headline: NO
muslims worship a god that says sacrifice your son to me.
Catholics/Christians worship a God that says I scarified my Son for you.
I do not concern myself about what "modernists" or anyone else says about things they no nothing about.
>> “Do Catholics and Muslims Worship the Same God?” <<
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Probably, but its not the same one that Christians and Jews worship.
Are you a sedevacantist?
No. Msgr. Federico Ocariz, representing the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine, recently published an essay stating that the Vatican II council is not infallible. Here is a Catholic World Report summary of that essay:
What do you think of the Vatican II contradiction of previous infallible doctrine concerning Islam?
That's terrible.
Please, there is plenty enough acrimony on these threads as it is.
All in all, there is much less that separates many (most?) Christians from one another, than there is that unites them.
I'm not arguing for unity, just for the sake of unity. I'm talking about the story of mankind, man's separation from God, and how Christ's sacrifice bridges the distance between what we are (and can be like-- wicked indeed!) and the Holy Creator.
Think on those things, and the goodness of God, even as we appear to be entering into times that try men's souls... I'm asking not only you, but others too, (Catholics included) to refrain from taking the low road, refrain from cartoon characterization and dehumanization.
The days are getting short. If not for all of us, all of the world all together (a possible second coming, not too far distant?) then at least for each of us individually, and separately.
We will all stand and be made to account for our words, eventually.
There is unity in belief of THAT, isn't there?
My apologies to you, for you being one that I've chosen to react towards in this fashion. It's not just you who arguably could found at fault, but a great many others also, from either perspective, here on this forum. I'm not pretending to be completely innocent of such evil, idle talk myself. But I'm convicted that I personally need to repent of doing so, myself. If you could help me in this, I would appreciate it.
Right...our doctrine of Trinity means that we believe Christ is God! This belief is not shared with any other religion be it Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc. Many of the worlds religions will say nice things about Jesus (Islam for example). But only Christians bow the knee to him and confess with their tongues that he is God and should be worshipped as such.
From the article: “Instead, he says, the teachings of the Magisterium must be received as teachings given by pastors who are divinely guided.
This does not mean that the pastors are always infallible, but they are divinely guided even when they are not teaching infallibly, and so their teachings cannot be dismissed as merely temporary teachings or official opinions.”
Either you accept the Authority of the Church...or not.
By the way, is it possible that you are misunderstanding exactly what was stated? Why don’t you simply, as the author, Jimmy Akin, has stated...pray for the success of the Church in trying to heal any division/misunderstanding?
There are lorry crashes at all low bridges.
If not, why not?
Yes as Christ is God.
Face it FRiend, catholics worship an ashta proxy in “Mary,” not the one true God, along with a pantheon of other humans and icons that they call “saints.” All of the attributes that they claim for “mary” are the ancient attributes of Ashta (or Ishtar, Astarte, Isis)
If you feel any oneness with that mess, go for it, but I do not.
It’s sad to see so many of them trying to deny what their catechism teaches...
And let me guess, that argument holds true until the next time you guys want to point to your catechism as infallible...
It would seem that whoever wrote your newer catechism deemed it infallible...And it seems your religion accepted it as infallible...
But of course your catechism, new or old is fallible...And what is so back slapping funny is that until today, you guys tried to defend that position of your catechism with some of the craziest excuses...
But hey, what's your pope say about this new declaration???
We would rather stand before God having pointed out error than to not have done anything. The go along to get along will one day lead to a one world religion spoken of in Revelation.
Yet every other time, you guys claim that all these people that hang out at the vatican are not the voice of the pope...
So when your pope corrects your catechism, then, we can take it as your official church teaching...
I’m sure it comes as a shock to most of the Catholics.
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