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Is Christopher Hitchens about to convert? (Could he become a Christian?)
Daily Caller ^ | 12/10/2011 | Mark Judge

Posted on 12/10/2011 8:17:18 PM PST by SeekAndFind

It’s a possibility that doesn’t seem laughable anymore. Hitchens, the celebrated British journalist, angry atheist and roué, has a very powerful piece in the January issue of Vanity Fair. Hitchens has been in Houston undergoing treatment for esophageal cancer, which he was diagnosed with in 2010.

In his essay, Hitchens rejects a popular aphorism attributed to Nietzsche: “Whatever doesn’t kill me makes me stronger.” Hitchens had thought of the phrase at different points in his life where he narrowly escaped death — experiences told well in his memoir “Hitch-22.” After enduring chemotherapy and radiation treatments that made swallowing unbearable and left his entire body a rash, Hitchens rejects Nietzsche’s slogan. “In the brute physical world,” Hitchens writes, “and the one encompassed by medicine, there are all too many things that could kill you, don’t kill you, and then leave you considerably weaker.” Hitchens speculates that some maladies are so devastating that it may be better to have not lived, while acknowledging that sometimes we push through the pain and reach the other side glad that we hadn’t given up.

Rejecting one of the more sophomoric of Nietzsche’s aphorisms may seem small, but out of such moments are great conversions made. I am currently working on a documentary about Whittaker Chambers, the great writer who left communism in the late 1930s and wrote a masterpiece, “Witness,” about the ordeal. Chambers’s faith in communism began to unravel when he watched his baby daughter Ellen eating at the breakfast table. Chambers began to focus on the young girl’s ear:

The thought passed through my mind: “No, those ears were not created by any chance coming together of atoms in nature (the Communist view). They could have been created only by immense design.” The thought was involuntary and unwanted. I crowded it out of my mind. But I never wholly forgot it or the occasion. I had to crowd it out of my mind. If I had completed it, I should have had to say: Design presupposes God. I did not then know that, at that moment, the finger of God was first laid upon my forehead.

Perhaps Hitchens’s admission that Nietzsche might have been wrong, even about something small, will lead him to a healthy curiosity about Christianity. Up until now, Hitchens has had nothing but bile for Christianity and all religion — including the religion of Marxism, which Hitchens, a former leftist, eventually admitted could not survive “the onslaught of reality.” But Hitchens’s attacks on religion were always propelled by the kind of fury that one usually finds in zealots and former believers; it’s always the ex-Catholics (Maureen Dowd, etc.) who are the hardest on the Church. I found “God is Not Great,” Hitchens’s anti-religion rant, unreadable not because it argues against religion, but because it does so in such an angry, scattershot and childish way. As David Bentley Hart once wrote, “God is Not Great” is “a book that raises the non sequitur almost to the level of a dialectical method.” Oh, for the book where Hitchens takes on Aquinas, Augustine, Dietrich Von Hildebrand, Robert P. George, George Weigel and Hans Urs von Balthasar. I guess it’s much easier to pick on Mother Teresa, which Hitchens has done with particular gusto.

Hitchens certainly has the intellectual ability to take on some great Christian thinkers and perhaps reassess his prior positions. I knew that he was a brave soul as far back as 1989, when I was an intern at The Nation magazine. Hitchens had been a writer for the magazine (he had just moved on to Harper’s when I arrived), and I remember finding a bunch of hate mail addressed to Hitchens in a file. It was from feminists who were angry that Hitchens had come out as pro-life (video evidence can be found here). I knew at that moment that he was a brave and honest thinker. A couple weeks later, I met the man himself at a party. I engaged him in conversation and tried to sell him on the greatness of the band the Clash. He didn’t buy it, calling the group “nihilistic.” A colleague from The Nation pulled me aside and said that Hitch would probably be better if I asked him about 19th-century British poets.

I remained a fan of Hitchens over the years, but didn’t see him up close again until January 2010, at a party for the launch of The Daily Caller. As soon as I saw him, I knew something was wrong. I had been diagnosed with cancer (non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma) in 2008, and when I saw Hitchens, I felt like I was seeing myself from two years prior. He had the same ashen look. I reintroduced myself and reminded him about our conversation about the Clash. He examined my face and then said, “Yes, I think I do remember that.”

A few months later, Hitchens was diagnosed. Since then he has done something that is not easy — write with great insight and originality about cancer, a disease that lends itself to cheesy empowerment sloganeering and weepy martyr kitsch. His latest piece in Vanity Fair is the best yet. He avoids the cheap sentiment that’s part of so much writing about the illness. He celebrates life while saying that it’s also okay to die if it comes to that. The only one who did it better was Richard John Neuhaus in his book “As I Lay Dying.”

In his piece, Hitchens admits that the brutality of his treatment has made him reassess the bravado he showed about death in “Hitch-22,” where he claimed he wanted to be fully awake and conscious at the moment death came, in order to enjoy the ride fully. Now that death has, if not arrived, at least driven by the house, Hitch is not so sure.

I wouldn’t tell Christopher Hitchens that now is the time to get right with the Lord, or to pray or read the Bible. I wouldn’t try and convince him of the resurrection. I would only ask him to entertain the notion that love — the love he has for his life, his wife and his children, the love his readers have for him and the love that the doctors and nurses are showing him — is a real thing whose origins are worth exploring without glibness (sorry, saying “love for your fellow mammals” doesn’t require religion, as Hitchens did once, doesn’t cut it). It also can be done without Christophobia. I know that my discovery that I had cancer focused my mind on discovering the true nature of things, and I’m not talking about wishful thinking.

Ironically, there is a kind of symmetry between Hitchens and his declared enemy, Mother Teresa, whom Hitchens wrote a nasty book about and called a fanatic and a fraud (yawn). In her 2009 book “Come Be My Light,” published posthumously (Mother Teresa died in 1997), Mother Teresa writes of long periods, indeed years, of “darkness” and suffering, during which she felt that God wasn’t there. After the book was published, Hitchens went on TV to gloat. Even Mother Teresa didn’t believe it! In fact, Mother Teresa was going through what many saints do, a dark night of the soul. Such things can make us doubt God, and that is anything but an unholy thing. As Chesterton noted, Christianity is the only religion that allows God to be an atheist (“Why have you forsaken me?”). Perhaps Hitchens is going through something similar. And as Mother Teresa’s pain made her doubt her God, in second-guessing Nietzsche, Hitchens may be doubting his.

Mark Judge is the author of A Tremor of Bliss: Sex, Catholicism, and Rock ‘n’ Roll.


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1 posted on 12/10/2011 8:17:24 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s keep praying for him.


2 posted on 12/10/2011 8:22:06 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

If he is, I’d suggest he hurry.


3 posted on 12/10/2011 8:23:17 PM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath. Hitchens isn't that deep. He will just dry up and blow away like so many other vociferous but inconsequential nonbelievers.
4 posted on 12/10/2011 8:27:51 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: SeekAndFind

HItchens is the sort of soul that I pray for. If you’ll all pardon a double negative, he is not “neither hot nor cold.”

I don’t pray for a public, grand reversal. If God seeks to fulfill his life in that way, so be it. It might be great publicity for Christ, but Christ needs no publicity, and those who hate Him will not be swayed by Hitchens. In fact, the opportunity for Christians to gloat might be a turnoff. Or, he could become a great, zealous promoter of Christianity, or the notion that he found eternal peace at the very last moment might inspire someone great. But Christ doesn’t need to do things that way; if he does or not, it’s part of a greater plan than we can fathom.

I pray for him because we are commanded to love our enemies, and if I can actually be concerned more for his own soul than what it can do for whatever cause of mine, no matter how just, it will do my own soul well. And if I can pray for him for his own sake, not my own soul’s, then we both shall be better yet.


5 posted on 12/10/2011 8:32:27 PM PST by dangus
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To: SeekAndFind

It would not be the first time “brilliant” atheists converted. CS Lewis comes to mind. Just recently Anthony Flew—one of the leading atheist authors said he is now a Deist. Interesting no one hears of these atheist conversions, although Flew was a leading atheist for much longer than Hitchens and was the author for many books required at all the “elite” universities.


6 posted on 12/10/2011 8:34:02 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: SeekAndFind

Christ’s words on the cross “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me” is a reference by him to psalm 22 and one should read the whole thing to understand. The last line is “He has done it.”


7 posted on 12/10/2011 8:34:33 PM PST by Mercat
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To: aposiopetic

Good idea. I hate to think of anyone dying as an unrepentant atheist.


8 posted on 12/10/2011 8:35:49 PM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hitchens’ brother is a Christian and is very good at apologetics. I do pray that Hitch will believe too.


9 posted on 12/10/2011 8:36:26 PM PST by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: SeekAndFind
his Come to Jesus moment might be close at hand...
10 posted on 12/10/2011 8:36:37 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

The sooner the better, but he has all the time until his last heartbeat — due God’s infinite goodness and mercy.


11 posted on 12/10/2011 8:40:46 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: SeekAndFind
It is truly sad to see so much hatred toward a person who happens to be an atheist dying of cancer.

So if one is a non-believer and gets truly sick, it is ok to trash his/her character, but if a believer gets sick, you seem to have empathy to their sickness. You make me sick.

You call yourselves Christians?? You are an embarrassment to Christ's teachings. Remember this? “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”

Us “non-believers” treat humans with more dignity and respect than you frauds could ever fanthom.

12 posted on 12/10/2011 8:53:30 PM PST by mporter345
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To: SeekAndFind

At church we have a man who is a nuclear physicist. He was an atheist but began questioning his beliefs. Started reading a bible and slowly converted. He works on the side for a company called apologetics press. It is publications that use science to teach creation and christianity. Another member is a teacher who also was an atheist. Some of our high school students taught him and he converted. It is possible! :)


13 posted on 12/10/2011 8:55:47 PM PST by EmilyGeiger
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To: mporter345

He is boring .He thinks he still has a voice but he does not.Good Night Christopher,we still hold you close in prayer.


14 posted on 12/10/2011 9:01:56 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: SeekAndFind

Not a chance. That’s a real stretch to extrapolate that he would from that comment. But, hey ... here’s hoping.


15 posted on 12/10/2011 9:02:17 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind

Hitchens did a disgusting piece in VF on how the 10 commandments are useless & unnecessary. When in fact the opposite is true - if most people followed most of the 10 commandments most of the time, we’d be doing great. This guy deserves what he gets.


16 posted on 12/10/2011 9:06:32 PM PST by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: dangus

I wrote a novelle (Turnabout) about a devout and outspoken atheist Physicist who had a near death experience and came back to the present a firm believer in God and redemption. Perhaps I should write a sequel and have a brash, vitriolic atheist writer as the one turned about.


17 posted on 12/10/2011 9:08:34 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cancer attacks the mind, body, and spirit. No one escapes cancer scot free - it comes with a price even if one survives. I believe no one goes through cancer without having or reaching an understanding of the divine in the process. The fabric between this physical world and the spiritual world thins, one cannot help but see the miracles, no matter the eventual outcomes. I had an advanced adenocarcinoma, Mrs FE also survived cancer, both of us going through surgery and heavy chemo (whick took me right to the edge). The experience brought us both closer to God and to each other. I hope Hitchens is experiencing an epiphany.


18 posted on 12/10/2011 9:09:49 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: SeekAndFind
Oh, for the book where Hitchens takes on Aquinas, Augustine, Dietrich Von Hildebrand, Robert P. George, George Weigel and Hans Urs von Balthasar.

The author has no business mentioning the latter two in the same sentence as the former three.

19 posted on 12/10/2011 9:14:49 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: fatima
You people of “faith” are boring and wrought with continual cognitive dissonance. You have to believe the nonbelievers are “bad, wrong and boring” in order for you to sleep at night.

I have a brother who is a die hard Roman Catholic and says if it were not for his faith, he could rape, steal and kill. Hell, if that is what it takes for some not to hurt their fellow man, then please STAY Catholic. But remember there are people who do good for “goodness sake” alone. Not because there will be any heavenly reward or eternal hell by not doing the right thing.

Unfortunately, religious people can't understand this...

20 posted on 12/10/2011 9:17:31 PM PST by mporter345
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a Christian....and call me crazy...but I’ve always had an affinity for ol’ Hitch. Maybe it’s because I’ve lived in Britain (or married to a Brit)....but I’ve always chuckled at his candor. He’s been VERY outspoken about Islam (which is BANG ON)....but I’ve never found a cold-hardheartedness like I have with so many other atheists....and, sometimes, I’m wondering if he’s just ‘being bombastic for ratings and writings’.

I pray for him. There is always hope....and something tells me.......he knows that.


21 posted on 12/10/2011 9:29:13 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: savagesusie
one of the leading atheist authors said he is now a Deist.

Is there any real difference?

22 posted on 12/10/2011 9:33:27 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: SeekAndFind

Christopher Hitchens’ brother is a very strong Catholic. Maybe he’s having an influence on him, in the late stages of his disease.


23 posted on 12/10/2011 9:33:46 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: mporter345

The house is on fire. I don’t want people to die. I have found the path out of the fire and want others to find the path as well.


25 posted on 12/10/2011 9:52:00 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: SeekAndFind
It is actually a mercy to be able to believe in a joyful afterlife.

I remember listening to a man from India who anguished over what he might be reincarnated into after his death. He was truly troubled by the thought that he might have to go through another painful illness. Over and over.

The pain of despair has got to be worse. Resting in the arms of someone who loves you is a much more comforting end.

26 posted on 12/10/2011 10:01:48 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: mporter345

People of faith sin every day. So religion doesn’t save anyone.


27 posted on 12/10/2011 10:14:42 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: mporter345

People of faith sin every day. So religion doesn’t save anyone.


28 posted on 12/10/2011 10:15:00 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: mporter345

People of faith sin every day. So religion doesn’t save anyone.


29 posted on 12/10/2011 10:15:12 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: mporter345

You might consider reading the sight rules.


30 posted on 12/10/2011 10:16:05 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Of course, the Deist’s recognize Objective Truth and Natural Law Theory which presupposes a Designer. Atheists are Relativists.

What that means is there can be no “homosexual” marriage—because there is a standard for Right and Wrong which comes from Natural Law (imbedded into our Constitution because our Natural Rights come from God.)

“Homosexual” marriage defies “Right Reason according to Nature” (Just Law) which is the fundamental principle of our Legal System.

So, there is a MAJOR difference between Deists and Atheists—and it is Rational Thought-—The Age of Reason was when “Deists” appeared.

Irrational Atheism led to Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot BECAUSE there is no Objective Truth—so any kind of law is “Right” —like homosexual marriage. There is no basis for Right and Wrong for atheists—just whatever urge feels right.


31 posted on 12/10/2011 10:17:51 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: mporter345
You people of “faith” are boring and wrought with continual cognitive dissonance. You have to believe the nonbelievers are “bad, wrong and boring” in order for you to sleep at night.

Life is a gift. Creation is also a gift.

I do not judge you or harbor any ill will against you in any way.

But with your permission I think I will head off to bed.

32 posted on 12/10/2011 10:25:52 PM PST by plymaniac (2012=1980)
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To: mporter345
It is truly sad to see so much hatred toward a person who happens to be an atheist dying of cancer. So if one is a non-believer and gets truly sick, it is ok to trash his/her character, but if a believer gets sick, you seem to have empathy to their sickness. You make me sick. You call yourselves Christians?? You are an embarrassment to Christ's teachings. Remember this? “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us” Us “non-believers” treat humans with more dignity and respect than you frauds could ever fanthom.

Ah Hitchens has spent his life spewing his form of 'hate' against the very Creator of his soul. I do not speculate over which side of the 'gulf' any soul goes when they return to met the Maker.

There is a requirement you left out in this forgiveness business, and, that is repentance, meaning, a change of heart. Hitchens is responsible for his own beliefs or lack thereof. Now I do not take any joy for his bad health. I will say one day, as with the rest of us, Hitchens will get to have his own, face to face, one on one, meet and greet with the Creator of his soul.

Funny little thing about your post is that when it serves your purpose you preach Christ, and then as if that is the only requirement for a 'believer' jump off the deep in and 'JUDGE' believers. So which is it, you know, old Alinsky had a particular 'rule' for radicals to follow in regards to ridiculing the Christians.

33 posted on 12/10/2011 10:50:34 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: savagesusie
Of course, the Deist’s recognize Objective Truth and Natural Law Theory which presupposes a Designer. Atheists are Relativists.

What that means is there can be no “homosexual” marriage—because there is a standard for Right and Wrong which comes from Natural Law (imbedded into our Constitution because our Natural Rights come from God.)

I thought Deists believed a creator made the universe and then abandoned it. So where is the Deists Bible that states all these things you claim?

34 posted on 12/10/2011 11:15:04 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Designed the World. There is a difference. In other words, an acorn will always grow into an acorn tree unless perverted from its original design.

Natural Law Theory is similar...just states there was a Designer of Nature (which is obvious to everyone with a brain).

Fundamental idea of our Constitution and where Natural Rights come from the Creator—all this philosophy came from Natural Law Theory-—Laws of Nature and Nature’s God.

Even Aristotle—a pagan came up with the observation of design in all nature and the teleological design in man—where his ideas of Ethics derived.

It was Marx that threw out Natural Law Theory—he hated the family unit—took loyalty from the state. He also couldn’t remold man into the image he wanted to design—that like Winston Smith. Very ugly.....

It is why the Marxists are trying to destroy the meaning of biology and make men and women interchangeable. It will destroy the emotional and physical development of children. They need both a male and female role model—preferably who love them—to grow into emotionally healthy and strong adults who can interact maturely with both sexes. It is God’s design for man.


35 posted on 12/11/2011 12:24:04 AM PST by savagesusie
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To: savagesusie

I’m still waiting for the Deists’s bible that states their beliefs. You view seems more Judeo-christian.


36 posted on 12/11/2011 12:31:00 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: savagesusie

I’m still waiting for the Deists’s bible that states their beliefs. You view seems more Judeo-christian.


37 posted on 12/11/2011 12:31:18 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: mporter345; fatima

“For goodness’ sake”. That’s interesting. And suppose someone who is also an atheist has a different idea of what is “good”? Something you think is “very bad”?

That’s the big problem with doing what one thinks is “very good”. Hitler thought he was doing good for Germany. Helping the German people, making Germany a better place.

I’m sure Pol Pot thought he was doing good. So do many objectively “bad” people. They don’t think they’re doing “bad”, they think the people opposing or criticizing them are the “bad” ones.

You’re riding on the coattails of religious moral principles. At least some honest atheists recognize that they are better off living in a country that has at least a few vestiges of moral principles based on religion.


38 posted on 12/11/2011 12:39:29 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bookmark


39 posted on 12/11/2011 1:39:14 AM PST by GOP Poet (Time for Bambi and his commie crew to go.)
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To: mporter345

I don’t think anyone is expressing hatred. If anything, I think this thread reflects the spirit of charity and hope us believers have for Mr. Hitchens. One should never discount another who has a concern for one’s immortal soul.

It’s interesting, my father and I were just today discussing the parable of the Good Samaritan and how the man left beaten on the side of the road was passed by a priest and a Levite and the outcast Samaritan was the one who stopped and offered aid. In that sense, I accept your characterization that “non-believers” do good in the world. As I’m sure does every believer.

Having said that, however, I think its unreasonable for those who subscribe to Hitchens’ notion of a “celestial dictatorship” to assume that they, through the power of their own intellect are equipped to determine moral truth. For if there is no God, no Natural Law, then all we have is utilitarian philosophical musings.

Best Regards


40 posted on 12/11/2011 1:47:12 AM PST by JPX2011
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To: mporter345

As I stated in my previous post I accept your premise. I would be concerned about anyone who considers people of Faith to be boring. If one is looking for some flashy, exciting new-age truth, there is none to be had; only a rehashing of old heretical beliefs or paganistic ideals. In truth, the people of Faith are the ones responsible for developing a vibrant and exciting body of knowledge and thought all it takes is the desire to explore it.

Truth be told, there is no such thing as “goodness sake” in my opinion. At least, not as defined by atheists. Being good is a moral condition and is not susceptible to the whims of the intellect. It seems to me that when those who advocate goodness as purely a socio-economic paradigm and take it out of a theological realm we succumb to a dictatorship of relativism, usually expressed by whichever strong-man is in charge at the time. 100 million + people were killed in the 20th century by those who thought they had the “answer”.


41 posted on 12/11/2011 2:04:11 AM PST by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011

For me, the wonderful thing about living in faith is that it is never finished unfolding and acting in my life. God is awesome and exciting.


42 posted on 12/11/2011 2:27:11 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: mporter345

“So if one is a non-believer and gets truly sick, it is ok to trash his/her character, but if a believer gets sick, you seem to have empathy to their sickness. You make me sick.”

He wasn’t just an atheist. He delighted in trashing Mother Theresa, a woman who worked tirelessly to help the unfortunate.


43 posted on 12/11/2011 2:53:17 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: SeekAndFind
The atheist and humanist Bertrand Russell spent his whole life opposing Christ.

In later life, Russell concluded that injustice in the world constitutes a moral argument against the existence of God Himself. But then, he found himself in a dilemma. If there is no moral standard, why even suggest that there is such a thing as injustice?

He began to think that if there was no moral law, and no God, that mankind had to live as if there was one, because without it, pain, suffering, death, rape, mutilation, oppression, and cruelty were our only options.

44 posted on 12/11/2011 3:36:49 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SeekAndFind

I told him once in DC after he spoke to the FR, “God picks the least likely to do his work”. I hope that sinks in some day.


45 posted on 12/11/2011 3:48:28 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: mporter345
But remember there are people who do good for “goodness sake” alone. Not because there will be any heavenly reward or eternal hell by not doing the right thing. Unfortunately, religious people can't understand this...

Servile love, like that of a servant, is the type of love that man has for God when he fears punishment for sin as his motivator. Some people will refer to "mercenary love" as that type of love which pursues good for the rewards that accompany it. But the goal of the Christian life is neither avoidance of punishment or the receipt of rewards. Servile and "mercenary" love can be steps along the way but they are not the goals.

Filial love, or love of God for His own sake, is our highest level of love. It is the type of love that can love another, even an enemy, because one loves what God loves because He loves it.

Whether a "religious person" understands this or not, depends on the level of love which he experiences. Not everyone's capacity for love is the same.

There are those who would argue that true charity cannot be practiced without loving God for these reasons.

Your brother seems to suggest that his love is servile at this point. As you have pointed out, that's OK but there is something higher. Unfortunately, these types of threads on FR seldom seem to bring it out.

46 posted on 12/11/2011 4:21:27 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: SeekAndFind
" ... Richard John Neuhaus in his book “As I Lay Dying.”

Live and learn, I always think of Faulkner when I see that title but now I'll have to check the one by Neuhaus out.

As for Hitchens, I won't hold my breath but I will continue to pray for him. A lot of people sure would think it's a miracle if he became a Christian and hung around a while like Malcolm Muggeridge did, making all his old allies look foolish.

47 posted on 12/11/2011 5:19:20 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: dangus

“I pray for him because we are commanded to love our enemies, and if I can actually be concerned more for his own soul than what it can do for whatever cause of mine, no matter how just, it will do my own soul well. And if I can pray for him for his own sake, not my own soul’s, then we both shall be better yet.”

Beautiful prose there...thanks!


48 posted on 12/11/2011 5:22:24 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: SeekAndFind

As Chesterton noted, Christianity is the only religion that allows God to be an atheist (“Why have you forsaken me?”).

Asking God why He has forsaken you seems to me to be the oppoaite of Atheisim. But I get what he meant.

Hitch is a barometer of how far America has fallen. In the ‘70’s, reading him in Newsday I knew that no one to the right of Stalin could have stomached him. Along comes the 90’s and the Clintons and...


49 posted on 12/11/2011 5:23:47 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: mporter345
“Us “non-believers” treat humans with more dignity and respect than you frauds could ever fanthom”

In comparing the Evil perpetrated by Believers vs Non- believers you may want to take a glance at history before reaching the conclusion that you have expressed.

50 posted on 12/11/2011 5:29:09 AM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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