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Romney on his work as a Mormon missionary: “We didn’t convert one person”
Reuters.com ^ | Dec. 21, 2011

Posted on 12/22/2011 6:58:45 AM PST by Colofornian

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney appeared on MSNBC’s Morning Joe on Tuesday, where co-host Joe Scarborough asked him about his experience as a Mormon missionary in France in the 1960s. “Talk about your rejections as a missionary knocking on door, after door, after door in a hostile environment,” Scarborough asked.

Romney recalled five months he spent in one French city, where he said near-constant brush-offs built his resilience:

“We knocked on doors from morning until quite late in the evening,” he said. “We didn’t convert one person in five months. So, you understand the rejection, you know that’s a pretty high level of rejection and you get used to it. You say, ‘okay, what do I believe, what’s important to me,’ and you don’t measure yourself and your success by how other people react, but instead by how you’re doing and how you feel about the things you care about.”

Watch the clip...(Romney speaks about his experience as a missionary starting at the 2:00 mark):

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: History; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: lds; missionary; mormon; romney
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From the article: “We knocked on doors from morning until quite late in the evening,” he said. “We didn’t convert one person in five months. So, you understand the rejection..."

That was because of Mormonism itself!

Besides, the Bible knows NOTHING of proselyting other than what Jesus told the Pharisees about their legalistic proselytizing: 15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. (Matt. 23:15)

True discipleship resulting in true followers of Jesus Christ is sourced in the Holy Spirit operating both directly and indirectly through others: ...no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor. 12:3)

1 posted on 12/22/2011 6:58:50 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

At least they had plenty of croissants.


2 posted on 12/22/2011 7:00:40 AM PST by steve8714 (A-B-O-E-R-&G)
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To: Colofornian
That was because of Mormonism itself!

Just as likely it was because he was in France where participation in Christan religions is almost non existent and the the religion that has the most activity is Islam.

3 posted on 12/22/2011 7:03:54 AM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Colofornian

Thank God. Imagine being French and being told that you can’t drink or smoke anymore or even eat your mom’s home cooking again, because of the alcohol in the food. Of course they didn’t convert anybody.


4 posted on 12/22/2011 7:03:59 AM PST by stellaluna
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To: Colofornian

That’s par for the course Mittens because if it weren’t for the media you’d be polling single digits. You aren’t converting anyone.


5 posted on 12/22/2011 7:05:04 AM PST by Track9
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To: Colofornian

prolly learned lots of French swear words though


6 posted on 12/22/2011 7:05:52 AM PST by bigbob
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To: CaptainK

Not back in the sixties.


7 posted on 12/22/2011 7:08:02 AM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Colofornian

5 months? Every Mormon kid I’ve ever known goes on a two year mission. Why was Romney’s so short?


8 posted on 12/22/2011 7:09:15 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: stellaluna

Its hard to sell somethng nobody wants to buy.


9 posted on 12/22/2011 7:11:20 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Track9

Five posts in to capture my first thought. Good job!!!


10 posted on 12/22/2011 7:13:04 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: isthisnickcool

That was my question. Every kid in our neighborhood in Bountiful, Utah went on a mission for 2 years (paid for by the family of course). Mittens must have been a total failure.


11 posted on 12/22/2011 7:13:14 AM PST by anoldafvet
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To: Colofornian

Mitt is unable to develop followers except by buying them.


12 posted on 12/22/2011 7:13:42 AM PST by iowamark
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To: Colofornian

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”


13 posted on 12/22/2011 7:15:47 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Colofornian

“Talk about your rejections as a missionary knocking on door, after door, after door in a hostile environment,” Scarborough asked.
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This post needs a BARF ALERT


14 posted on 12/22/2011 7:17:04 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

Can’t imagine why the frogs didn’t want to join his cult?

Merry Christmas


15 posted on 12/22/2011 7:17:18 AM PST by bray (The Tea Party Occupy's their Mind)
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To: Colofornian

His Mormon mission was where he learned to lie through his teeth.

I’m glad the French didn’t fall for it.


16 posted on 12/22/2011 7:23:18 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: isthisnickcool
5 months? Every Mormon kid I’ve ever known goes on a two year mission. Why was Romney’s so short?

Romney, unlike just about every Mormon missionary out there, got "promoted" to "Assistant to the Missionary President" and lived in a palace:
US election 2012: Mitt Romney's life as a poor Mormon missionary in France questioned

The above-linked article says that Romney handlers told the Lds missionary president not to speak about Romney's residential quarters in France.

While in Paris, Romney was driving a vehicle that was involved in a car accident. The wife of the Missionary President died.

17 posted on 12/22/2011 7:29:47 AM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)
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To: Colofornian

18 posted on 12/22/2011 7:30:20 AM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: anoldafvet

See post #17


19 posted on 12/22/2011 7:30:43 AM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)
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To: starlifter
(Are you obsessing with me? There's more important things and people in life to be obsessed about than me. Move on)
20 posted on 12/22/2011 7:32:40 AM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)
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To: Colofornian

In the Mormon town we were living, two young men were sent on missions, one murdered another young man with a gun,in front of friends, the second was caught breaking into the explosives store shed belonging to the forest service.
They went on missions to avoid being sent to prison.


21 posted on 12/22/2011 8:01:21 AM PST by WestwardHo
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To: stellaluna
Thank God. Imagine being French and being told that you can’t drink or smoke anymore or even eat your mom’s home cooking again, because of the alcohol in the food. Of course they didn’t convert anybody.

They could have bagged a lot of French men by telling them they'd become gods with a huge celestial harem........ That's pretty much how the French men think of themselves anyways.

22 posted on 12/22/2011 8:02:00 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Colofornian
While in Paris, Romney was driving a vehicle that was involved in a car accident. The wife of the Missionary President died.

So many lies and cover ups with in the Mormon church.

Cults will be cults.

23 posted on 12/22/2011 8:06:21 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Colofornian

BS.

That is mathematically improbable.

If they knocked on some 200 doors a day or even a mere 50 doors a day, for 5 months, they would have produced at least a 1% closing ratio.

Let’s assume only 50 doors a day:

6 days a week x 50 doors a day = 350 doors.

Of 350 they can assume a 10% success rate of open doors turning suspects into prospects. They could have opened 35 doors a week and converted 1/3 of a % of opened doors.

He would have converted at least 1 person per month and that would be seen as success.

If, on the other hand they were able to knock on some 150 per day they would have had 15 doors opened per day or 90 per week.

That would have resulted in .9 conversions per week or 3 per month.

Total baloney that he was that horrible of a salesman and didn’t convert a single person for 5 months.


24 posted on 12/22/2011 8:16:52 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: isthisnickcool

Daddy


25 posted on 12/22/2011 8:17:45 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: CaptainK

There are Catholic and traditional Christian churches everywhere in France.

Particularly in the 60’s, Mitt would have found many Christians and Catholics ripe for the picking.


26 posted on 12/22/2011 8:18:32 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Colofornian

So Mittens has FAILED in EVERTHING that he has done.


27 posted on 12/22/2011 8:19:46 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Colofornian
“We didn’t convert one person in five months.

How about in the OTHER months??

He WAS there a YEAR or more; right??

28 posted on 12/22/2011 8:23:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: starlifter
Why NO; Ma'am; we are NOT 'obesessed' as you seem to believe.

We are DEADicated!


29 posted on 12/22/2011 8:26:45 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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Mittens couldn’t talk one Frenchman into believing he could become a god in 5 months?


30 posted on 12/22/2011 8:27:38 AM PST by Hayride
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To: Colofornian

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

December 11st, 2011

 

URGENT!

Fellow MORMON Freeper Christians!!

I've been getting lots of feedback from those of you on Free Republic (spit) about a certain Colorfornicator (or something like that), who is REALLY giving us a hard time there.
 
Why not try to point out to the uninformed how OBSESSED he seems to be.
 
Let's see if we can tangle him up so much trying to defend his reputation that he'll no longer have as much time to post facts about MORMONism.
 
As always, Tommy M.

31 posted on 12/22/2011 8:34:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: isthisnickcool

5 months? Every Mormon kid I’ve ever known goes on a two year mission. Why was Romney’s so short?


He was talking about 5 months in one specific city. Missionaries get transferred around every few months. Mitt was on an LDS mission for 29 months total in various parts of France.

As we don’t know the specifics of the other areas, the article is misleading.


32 posted on 12/22/2011 8:55:21 AM PST by Ripliancum (Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you. -Eph. 4:31)
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To: Colofornian

I knew a LDS family about 38 years ago who had a son in the mission field. He was not sent to convert people, he was sent to counsel missionaries who were suicidal due to the constant failures to convert people.


33 posted on 12/22/2011 9:01:46 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Had an LDS bunch show up at the front door. Said they would like to talk to me. I told ‘em “Sure come on in. Have a seat. It’s hot out, would like some lemonade or water?” They said a little water would be appropriate. I gave them their iced water and a couple of cookies. Then I sat down, looked at them and said “What would you like to talk to me about?” They stammered, looked at each other and said “ We don’t know. Never got this far before.”


34 posted on 12/22/2011 9:17:56 AM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: Colofornian
Did he stress the point about having as many wives as you want?
35 posted on 12/22/2011 9:32:41 AM PST by bramps (Hooray for Debates)
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This series of articles from the Boston Globe (from 2007) goes into a lot of detail about the specifics of Mitt's mission in France.

Parts 1 and 2 are pretty interesting.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/specials/romney/articles/part1_side/

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/specials/romney/articles/part2_main/


36 posted on 12/22/2011 9:45:50 AM PST by Ripliancum (Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you. -Eph. 4:31)
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To: isthisnickcool

Re: 5 months - he is talking about a single city, not his entire mission. He served the full time of 2ish years in france, but only 5 months in that one city.


37 posted on 12/22/2011 10:19:39 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: Nik Naym

You are correct I didn’t take the era into account.

So I was only half right.


38 posted on 12/22/2011 10:24:33 AM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: dragonblustar
While in Paris, Romney was driving a vehicle that was involved in a car accident. The wife of the Missionary President died.

So many lies and cover ups with in the Mormon church.

That was an interesting transition. He was the driver in a car that was hit head-on by someone who crossed onto the wrong side of the road and that equates to "lies and cover ups"? I guess you see what you expect to see.

Do you feel that everyone who has been in a car accident is part of a cult?

39 posted on 12/22/2011 10:24:59 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: Ripliancum
The article is misleading

Yup, and one of the most mis-leading headlines you can get. Funny what bias does to people.

40 posted on 12/22/2011 10:28:42 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: Vendome

It isn’t so unbelievable when you are trying to sell something that people don’t want.

On my mission I served in one city for about three months. It had a population around 12,000 people. We kept “tracting records” listing which streets and housed we had knocked on. After several weeks we had knocked on every door in that city. With nothing but farmland and open grassland around us, we had no choice but to return to areas we had already visited. Because of the tracting records, we were able to only knock on doors that had not been opened before.

By the time I was transfered we had gotten a door opened and a negative response from something around 95% of the town. Don’t think we got past the second discussion with any of the contacts.

However, we did have a baptism of a lady that lived in the same apartment building that we lived in. Didn’t meet her through tracting.

My mission had a average baptism rate under 2 per missionary per (two-year) mission. Europe is this way. Other parts of the world have averages in the double-digits per missionary per month. I was fortunate to be a part of the conversion of many times the mission average. Not a single one came from door knocking.


41 posted on 12/22/2011 10:41:53 AM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: T. P. Pole

Are mormon missionaries suppose to be driving while on their mission? Do male mormons serve only one year? Do they get to have lavished apartments? Does the Mormon church pretend such things don’t happen?


42 posted on 12/22/2011 11:48:32 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: T. P. Pole

By the way, what is the Mormon Church’s official explanation of Joseph Smith? Did he have a polygamist marriage resulting in multiple children? Did he marry a woman who was already married?


43 posted on 12/22/2011 11:52:23 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Colofornian

“Besides, the Bible knows NOTHING of proselyting other than what Jesus told the Pharisees about their legalistic proselytizing...”

Huh??? What???

Didn’t Jesus say something to the Apostles about going into all nations to teach, baptizing in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit?


44 posted on 12/22/2011 12:09:19 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Arthur McGowan; Sherman Logan
I should have said the New Testament rather the Bible.

For there were proselytes in the Old Testament -- and a few of those references (Gentiles who became Jews) carried over into the New Testament (see Acts 2:10; 13:43)...Greek word proselytos.

Otherwise, Jesus assigns it as a highly negative/perjorative word in Matthew 23:15.

And it's not mentioned in any other book of the New Testament.

Proselyting to a religion is not the same thing as proclaiming the Good News (the Gospel), which the Holy Spirit utilizings to transform people and bring them into a born-from-above experience.

You won't find the Greek word proselytos ever used in the New Testament to define a Christian convert.

45 posted on 12/22/2011 12:42:10 PM PST by Colofornian (Mormon polygamy: It ain't just for time anymore...Lds tie the plural knot sequentially THESE days)
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To: dragonblustar
Are mormon missionaries suppose to be driving while on their mission? Do male mormons serve only one year? Do they get to have lavished apartments? Does the Mormon church pretend such things don’t happen?

Most missions have church owned cars that will be assigned to various companionships. Usually based on the area they are serving and the availability of public transportation. Mission rules allow for the driving of these church owned cars.

The length of mission service has varied over the years. In modern times it has run from 3 years for foreign language to 18 months during the Carter depression years. It is currently 2 years. I think Romney served something like 27 months, so there might have been a foreign language extension in there somewhere, but I don't know for sure about that.

Each mission usually has a "mission home" where the mission president lives. Each mission also has a "mission office" where the administrative/management stuff happens. Sometimes they are in the same building. From what I understand, at this time in this mission the mission home, mission office, and missionary "appartments" for the office staff were all in the same building. By doing that it makes sense to have a bigger place. Although the description seems to make it out as a bit more "lavish" then one would normally expect.

On my mission I lived in everything from a single-room dinky apartment with a building-shared toilet to a "lavish" duplex with 3 bedrooms (for just 2 missionaries). The mission home was very nice (sort of an upper-middle class suburb home here in the states).

Not sure what "pretending" you are thinking about.

46 posted on 12/22/2011 1:18:50 PM PST by T. P. Pole
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To: Ripliancum
As we don’t know the specifics of the other areas, the article is misleading.

Huh?

As we don’t know the ANYTHING about LAMANITES or other tribes mentioned, the BoM is misleading.

47 posted on 12/22/2011 1:44:04 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Ripliancum
As we don’t know the specifics of the other areas, the article is misleading.

Huh?

As we don’t know the ANYTHING about LAMANITES or other tribes mentioned, the BoM is misleading.

48 posted on 12/22/2011 1:44:34 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: T. P. Pole

Golly!

I’d think a person would talk about the converts that they DID get!


49 posted on 12/22/2011 1:46:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: T. P. Pole
Yup, and one of the most mis-leading headlines you can get. Funny what bias does to people.

Now THAT I can agree with wholeheartedly!!!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

50 posted on 12/22/2011 1:49:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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