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The Condescension of Jesus Christ
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints ^ | December 2011 | David L. Frischknecht

Posted on 12/24/2011 8:59:19 AM PST by Saundra Duffy

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To: Religion Moderator

Thanks, RM


161 posted on 12/27/2011 8:29:02 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Revolting cat!; Saundra Duffy; a fool in paradise

Not quite the same thing, we have already had 3 Mormons leave Mormonism and become Christians because of these threads, can’t say that for the other ‘religious wars’ on FR.

Besides, this isn’t Christian v. Christian - this is Christian v. pseudo Christian cult. Another difference.


162 posted on 12/27/2011 8:31:15 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Revolting cat!
Religious wars. Same ole thang.

In the RELIGION forum; too!

Whoda thunk!!!

163 posted on 12/28/2011 5:46:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Saundra Duffy; Jim Robinson; greyfoxx39; SZonian; colorcountry; Colofornian; ...
Sandy to JR - “In other words, so long as we agree with you and kiss your ring, we are your friends.” AMPU - What a load of extreme straw man argumentation!

Is it really a straw man, or just projection on Sandy's part? All Ex-Mo's know that most (not all) LDS are 'fair weather friends', that as long as a person remains LDS, their LDS friends are their friends, but as soon as a person leaves Mormonism they usually lose their LDS friends and family and are shunned. Sometimes they even lose their marriages just because they left the LDS church.

I have said before on FR that I lost all but 3 of my LDS friends - long before I was ever an 'anti' - just because I left Mormonism. So is Sandy setting up a straw man or is she just stating what happens in Mormonism and projecting that on to JR?

Sandy, how would your LDS husband and friends react if you left Mormonism? Is that partly what keeps you in? You wouldn't be the first person to stay in Mormonism in order to keep their friends/spouse.

Courtesy ping to JR.

164 posted on 12/28/2011 8:55:22 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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165 posted on 12/28/2011 9:11:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Mormon Archeology...  http://mormonsites.org/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

166 posted on 12/28/2011 9:19:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

OMG That is just to funny.
Loved the link to information from 2011 and beyond.


167 posted on 12/28/2011 9:25:28 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you)
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To: svcw; Elsie

I really think that the author of that strip is either one of the FI’s or lurks on these threads. It is just far too close...


168 posted on 12/28/2011 10:15:52 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: reaganaut
"I lost all but 3 of my LDS friends"

I lost all of my LDS sect "friends", my wife, and they tried to take my daughters too. I had to get, and was awarded, a court order for the church to stay away from my daughters after I exposed to the judge what goes on in their "temples"...Annointing of nude "bosoms" and "loins" with oil, etc.

I have a letter from a stake president telling me that because my daughters were over the lds sect age of accountability of 8, and I had given up my "godly authority to rule over them" by resigning from the cult, I had no right to keep the church away from them. Sounds an awful lot like the FLDS practice of "re-assignment" doesn't it ?

169 posted on 12/28/2011 11:21:41 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: Elsie
Whoda thunk!!!

Who? (Is that a trick question?)

170 posted on 12/28/2011 12:35:01 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

yes


171 posted on 12/28/2011 2:04:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SENTINEL
I have a letter from a stake president telling me that because my daughters were over the lds sect age of accountability of 8, and I had given up my "godly authority to rule over them" by resigning from the cult, I had no right to keep the church away from them. Sounds an awful lot like the FLDS practice of "re-assignment" doesn't it ?

Yes, it certainly does!

chart Pictures, Images and Photos

172 posted on 12/28/2011 2:13:24 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Holy, Holy, Holy..."God in Three Persons, Blessed Trinity")
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To: reaganaut

Thanks for that testimony. I was one of the originals on the ‘anti-Mormon’ threads because of my experiences with LDS here in Nevada. I had found it to really destroy lives. I have been gone for a while, doing anti Reid things, but it is heartening to hear what you said. I so hope that we can bring the concept of grace back to lost mormons instead of their hopeless doctrine of works.The intent has never been to make Mormons into atheists by any of the Inmans.
The lack of a belief in grace is by the way why I opposed Romney from the beginning (besides the God thingy). Romneycare is a result of the endless need of Mormons to ‘do good’, whether needed or not. It is very manipulative, a way to buy their way into heaven.


173 posted on 12/28/2011 8:40:00 PM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: reaganaut

[In Mormonism, Christ is a stepping stone, He only ‘saves’ them from physical death, not spiritual death, the LDS don’t believe in sin nature, and instead believe that they must work (by being good Mormons, going through their secret temple rituals, baptism for the dead and the like) and that Jesus is really not much more than a really good example (by being sinless He earned His godhood first). The Mormon phrase is “By grace we are saved after all we can do”.]

If you don’t mind, I will steal that explanation, for I have been at a loss to explain the problem so concisely.


174 posted on 12/28/2011 9:02:50 PM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: FastCoyote

Thanks, FC. And there are many who leave Mormonism for athiesm, but there are also many who leave it and come to Christ. I’m temped to write a book to Mormons in transition called “Ok, so I left Mormonism...now what!?”, an apology for Biblical Christianity. I just need to get off my duff and start writing.

And your analysis of Romney and the Mormon angle is dead on. It is all about how it looks to others (the good they do), not really about God.


175 posted on 12/28/2011 9:02:50 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: FastCoyote

Steal away. It is God’s words not mine - He gets the glory. I quit trying to earn godhood almost 20 years ago now.


176 posted on 12/28/2011 9:04:49 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: dragonblustar

“I should print that and give it to my doctor. He has a huge mormon superiority complex.”

I call it “getting your planet early”. I’m not Mormon, but got raked over the coals by Mormons in business ventures and came to that conclusion on my own through my solitary research. I’ve since had it confirmed by many.


177 posted on 12/28/2011 9:14:26 PM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: reaganaut
You've alREADY wriitten it; just needs some compilation, rearranging and editting to be ready to print.




(THEN watch the bucks roll in!!!)


throwing a sop to Cerberus!








178 posted on 12/29/2011 4:38:10 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

LOL


179 posted on 12/29/2011 9:36:22 AM PST by reaganaut (Romney IS Obama - just 'white and delightsome' 2 Nephi 30:6)
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