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Cremation (vanity question)
freerepublic.com ^ | 12/26/2011 | Me.

Posted on 12/26/2011 11:52:08 AM PST by Dallas59

Question on Cremation. Does the Bible say anything about it? Is it forbidden?


TOPICS: Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: bigbucksfunerals; cremation; funerals; interment; inurnment
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To: Dallas59
Funeral arrangements are to comfort the living.

The dead don't care.

I say, whatever works for the survivors ought to be good enough for the rest of the world.

51 posted on 12/26/2011 12:26:12 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: RaceBannon

This is a gross question, but what about people who were eaten by wild animals?


52 posted on 12/26/2011 12:26:55 PM PST by LucyT
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To: muawiyah
Let's say you'd like to be laid to rest in the enormous veterans cemetery in San Diego overlooking the Pacific ~ you can be cremated and go into a columbarium (that big wall around the place) or you can go somewhere else. Then, there's ordinary whole body burial ~ where you decompose somewhat slowly ~ maybe over centuries, but in the end, combustion does take place and you end up as dust. My wife and I are both veterans. We choose to NOT be buried near those who didn't serve ~

Neither old nor new testament scripture places any unique requirements on burials. Over the centuries, traditions have arisen but they are just traditions. Scripture doesn't care as to whether a person wishes to have their body deposited in a composting machine, incinerated or stuffed, mounted and placed on display in a museum.

53 posted on 12/26/2011 12:27:48 PM PST by fso301
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To: Dallas59

The bible is a book of fables, written by people who had nothing to do with Christ.
Follow your heart, and do what suits you.


54 posted on 12/26/2011 12:28:55 PM PST by baltodog (R.I.P. Balto: 2001(?) - 2005)
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To: lacrew

Being a Catholic, I researched this. Apparently the Church is alright with the practice as long as the remains are held together. So, so much for my plans of being scattered over Venice Beach...


55 posted on 12/26/2011 12:30:07 PM PST by tanuki (O-voters: wanted Uberman, got Underdog....)
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To: mylife

My smart ex-wife had a novel idea for the ashes of the departed: have a bust fashioned of the person cremated, using the ashes of the deceased. They would make great ‘garden companions’ don’tchaknow. Never talking back, good listeners, too.


56 posted on 12/26/2011 12:30:37 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: baltodog; thesaleboat; Sick of Lefties; Chainmail; StrongandPround; lilyramone; crusadersoldier; ...
baltodog wrote:
The bible is a book of fables, written by people who had nothing to do with Christ.
Really? Just wow.
57 posted on 12/26/2011 12:31:48 PM PST by narses
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To: koraz; Yo-Yo; Dallas59
The Catholic Church is against cremation IF the purpose of the cremation is to express contempt for the doctrine of the resurrection of the body (as was the case, I have heard, for atheists around the era of Voltaire and later, who insisted upon cremation for that purpose); IF it's meant to express a non-Christian doctrine such as pantheism; or if it's meant to disrespect the body of some disfavored group (e.g. cremating the dead who are from some despised race, nationality, or class.)

If those motives do not apply, and there is a legitimate reason to want to cremate a body (like in Japan, where there is practically no land available for cemeteries), cremation is allowed if the remains are treated reverently.

58 posted on 12/26/2011 12:33:08 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit? ... You are not your own.")
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To: rawcatslyentist

“Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
Was not spoken of the soul.”

Longfellow


59 posted on 12/26/2011 12:33:14 PM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: tanuki; lacrew

Burial in sacred grounds is the correct choice, either as an intact body or ashes, iirc.


60 posted on 12/26/2011 12:33:45 PM PST by narses
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And the most comforting thing I can say is “Do not speak of him/her as being gone. Speak of them with the same casual voice, for they are only in the next room, they hear your heart.”


61 posted on 12/26/2011 12:35:12 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Yo-Yo

I don’t beleive the catholic Church any loger frowns on cremation. They do frown onthe spreading of ash’s and suggest they be buried or kept on Sacred ground.


62 posted on 12/26/2011 12:35:22 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Reddy

I’ve always felt so protective over the remains of a loved one, and I suspect I’m not alone. You know they’re not there anymore, but it’s all there is of them in this world, so all the loving care that you can afford to lavish is an easy sell, and the funeral service people know it.

The first death of a close loved one I ever experienced was that of my paternal grandmother. She was a simple woman, who chose a simple funeral, a cappella hymns sung by her lifelong friends in the Primitive Baptist Church her great uncle founded. But still, the flowers just rained down even though she would have disapproved, she was well known and well loved.

I came home from college to attend, and was a pall bearer for the first time. It began to snow during the graveside service. All I could think of driving back was that it was snowing on her flowers, and how sad that was. She’d have been embarassed, but she did lover her flowers in life.

All manner of peculiar things go through ones’ mind during times like that. I actually don’t remember a great deal about my father’s funeral, I’m pretty sure I was in shock the entire time. Just the thought of standing in a receiving line caused me to feel as if I would pass out. I didn’t. It was not an easy thing to make it through, though.


63 posted on 12/26/2011 12:36:06 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: humblegunner

Is that the place next to the bait shop?


64 posted on 12/26/2011 12:36:10 PM PST by meatloaf (I've had it with recycling politicians in any way shape or form. Vote 'em out!)
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To: MHGinTN

Many find comfort in different ways.


65 posted on 12/26/2011 12:36:50 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: MHGinTN

“Chia Pop?”


66 posted on 12/26/2011 12:37:25 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Dallas59
Good question. My thought is....if unsure, do what Jesus did. If it was important enough to be cremated, He would have been, as He would have told his disciples to do so upon His death.

He wasn't cremated, but crucified, died and was buried (not that you should be crucified).

That's the way I'm going. I want to be buried.

67 posted on 12/26/2011 12:37:47 PM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: meatloaf
Is that the place next to the bait shop?

It's next to the new EMS ambulance barn.

Fails to inspire confidence in their EMS abilities but the logistics are sound.

68 posted on 12/26/2011 12:39:09 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: marty60

That’s just crazy. Once the soul has departed, the corpse is nothing but dead meat. It is no longer the Temple of anything.

Of course, the multi-million-dollar Catholic cemetery business would go bust if the Church taught otherwise.

Everything in the Catholic Church comes down to money.

Cremation costs about a thousand bucks.

A traditional Catholic funeral with 3 days of waking, Church ceremony, and burial comes close to $10,000 (for a moderate bash).


69 posted on 12/26/2011 12:40:29 PM PST by Palladin (No Newts!)
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To: mylife
LOL.


70 posted on 12/26/2011 12:42:05 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: NoGrayZone

Wouldn’t that have made the Resurrection a little different?


71 posted on 12/26/2011 12:42:09 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: King Moonracer

Good call! LOL!


72 posted on 12/26/2011 12:43:00 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: baltodog; narses

>>The bible is a book of fables, written by people who had nothing to do with Christ.<<

What goes around, comes around.
If you are looking for peace, best to spread good will. Slamming the beliefs of Christians is not kind and will not make you feel any better in the long run.

Peace.


73 posted on 12/26/2011 12:43:36 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Dallas59

Are you telling me one who is burned to death in a auto accident, house fire, ect,will not go to heaven? I would think one strong in their Christian faith that it wouldn’t make a difference.


74 posted on 12/26/2011 12:43:53 PM PST by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: bigheadfred

Manure, as in fertilizer.


75 posted on 12/26/2011 12:45:02 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: King Moonracer

Monty Python - Undertaker Sketch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWWg5shNWR4


76 posted on 12/26/2011 12:46:12 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: narses

Is there a Biblical prohibition of cremation? If not, it’s a creation of man - not God. And hence there is NO bigotry involved in pointing it out...

Just unrighteous indignation at the revealing of truth.


77 posted on 12/26/2011 12:47:54 PM PST by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I’ve always been partially to being launched into the sun myself....I can come back to warm those I love and give skin cancer to those who were not so nice ;)


78 posted on 12/26/2011 12:48:34 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: JamesA

Yes, and just think of the thousands buried at sea! Food for the fishes. All those swept away by tsunamis; drowned and eaten by sharks in WW2; fishermen lost at sea throughout the ages.

It’s about time people brought some common sense to this issue.


79 posted on 12/26/2011 12:48:38 PM PST by Palladin (No Newts!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

OH!!!! Silly me.... ;-)


80 posted on 12/26/2011 12:49:00 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: FromTheSidelines

81 posted on 12/26/2011 12:49:00 PM PST by narses
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To: bigheadfred
Not at all. He would have rose from the dead, intact, no matter what. My point was in regards to cremation. For me, since cremation was not part of the plan, you don't have to be. Whether or not we can, I have no idea. When I'm unsure, I try to find out what Jesus did, and do that....well at least try to do it (and fail miserably a lot of the time).
82 posted on 12/26/2011 12:49:00 PM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: Dallas59

My mother passed away this past November and was cremated. There was no objection from the Catholic Church at all. And we happen to live in the Arch-Diocese of Arlington, VA, probably the most conservative Arch-Diocese in the Western Hemisphere!


83 posted on 12/26/2011 12:49:41 PM PST by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: mylife

“I would have mine sprankled on the tomatos so that everyone could eat me...”

Arrrgh!

*Men*!

;D


84 posted on 12/26/2011 12:50:20 PM PST by Salamander (I'm your pain.....)
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To: humblegunner

Yeah, firewood don’t cost much up there, especialy after all the dead trees this summer.


85 posted on 12/26/2011 12:51:14 PM PST by eastforker (I'll pick Rick but I still root for Newt.)
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To: NoGrayZone
He wasn't cremated, but crucified, died and was buried (not that you should be crucified).

But Christ was "buried" in a tomb ABOVE GROUND. Not quite what we think of as a "burial".

86 posted on 12/26/2011 12:52:45 PM PST by Abby4116
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To: JamesA

Cremation is frowned upon because fire and burning have always negative connotations in the Bible. (This is why heretics were burned at the stake.) My pastor recommends against cremation, but he says it won’t affect your salvation.

Plenty of saved Christians have died in fire through history (martyrs, 9/11, house fires, etc) and there is no doubt they are with Our Father and His Son.


87 posted on 12/26/2011 12:52:54 PM PST by Gideon7
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To: NoGrayZone

Don’t be so hard on yourself. Get on one of those religion threads. Plenty there to beat you without Mercy.


88 posted on 12/26/2011 12:53:26 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: FromTheSidelines
I wonder how much of that frowning was based on the fact the Church tended to be the only owner of cemeteries, back in the day - and is still a major owner of cemeteries world-wide?

Actually none of it is based on that at all.

The reasons that the Catholic Church originally opposed it was due to Masonic belief/ practices. Cremation was seen as a denial of the Bodily Resurrection which the Catholic Church has always taught will occur at the end of time.

You see this belief in the Apostles creed: I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Amen.

As well as the Nicene Creed:We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

89 posted on 12/26/2011 12:53:58 PM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: Palladin

>>Of course, the multi-million-dollar Catholic cemetery business would go bust if the Church taught otherwise.<<

Peace on Earth, good will to men.

My dad died in 1982. He was cremated and buried in a Catholic cemetary. 300.00 for the plot, 275.00 for the cremation and 50.00 to bury him.

My mom died in 1989. She was cremated and buried in the SAME PLOT (there is room for 4 more cremanes) The price went up to 500.00 for the cremation and still 50.00 to bury her.

So while you think it’s “all about money in the Catholic Church” I can count on myself, my husband and each of my children going into that plot for a big ole 200.00.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to find out some facts before posting insults.


90 posted on 12/26/2011 12:54:32 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Palladin; thesaleboat; Sick of Lefties; Chainmail; StrongandPround; lilyramone; crusadersoldier; ...
Palladin wrote:
Of course, the multi-million-dollar Catholic cemetery business would go bust if the Church taught otherwise.

Everything in the Catholic Church comes down to money.

Bigotry never goes out of style, does it?
91 posted on 12/26/2011 12:54:48 PM PST by narses
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To: Dallas59

The bible speaks of “the Spirit/spirit” which is other than the human body..
What exactly the spirit is no one knows.. (completely)

But the human body is indeed “transportation”.. among other things.
Roy Rogers had Trigger stuffed!!.. Why not?..


92 posted on 12/26/2011 12:54:54 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Salamander

With peppers...


93 posted on 12/26/2011 12:55:00 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Palladin
My father and my mother's bodies were all buried, and the total costs for fneral home, burial in accordance with Tennessee law, cemetery plot, funeral Mass and graveside prayers, etc.)

For the religious services, nobody said one word about cost: not one word even about a "suggested donation." We finally --- just on our own initiative --- gave the choral director $25 for the benefit of the choir's expenses: she was utterly surprised and said nobody had every done that before.

You are quite mistaken, my friend.

94 posted on 12/26/2011 12:55:15 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("It's not what we don't know that's the problem, it's what we do know that ain't so." - Will Rogers)
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To: Abby4116

They still have those. You don’t have to be buried underground.


95 posted on 12/26/2011 12:56:13 PM PST by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: 84rules

>>probably the most conservative Arch-Diocese in the Western Hemisphere!<<

Not really.


96 posted on 12/26/2011 12:56:13 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: verga

Cool - so it’s not based on Biblical passages but creeds written several centuries after Jesus’ time. And nothing about the Church owning the only “approved” places for burial for hundreds of years...


97 posted on 12/26/2011 12:56:43 PM PST by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: bigheadfred

Cut rate Viking ship cremations.

[earthly wealth, chattel and wives, extra]


98 posted on 12/26/2011 12:57:32 PM PST by Salamander (I'm your pain.....)
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To: Dallas59

One thing is for sure— if it’s okay in the Bible the atheists /left-wing fanatics will find a way to disallow it.


99 posted on 12/26/2011 12:58:13 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (NOT VOTING gets 0bamao re-elected.)
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To: netmilsmom; Palladin
Perhaps it would be a good idea to find out some facts before posting insults.
Bigotry and facts are never friends. Bigotry never says "I am sorry", never says "I was wrong". Bigotry simply exists, like Original Sin.
100 posted on 12/26/2011 12:58:17 PM PST by narses
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