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Does Obama's appointment of Rich. Cordray sync with Romans 13:1
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Posted on 01/06/2012 2:48:24 PM PST by 1raider1

Romans 13:1 "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers, For there is not power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God."


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: appointment; cordray
Should we just accept this and whatever else comes 'til election day.
1 posted on 01/06/2012 2:48:31 PM PST by 1raider1
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Simple. The powers that be is we the people. So says the constitution, the supreme law of the land. B. H. Obama resists the power, so ...


2 posted on 01/06/2012 2:52:37 PM PST by irgbar-man (had to sell my good tagline for food)
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Should we just accept this and whatever else comes 'til election day.

If your government proscribed that you kill your children, or anything else immoral, would you still believe that this scripture in Romans exists in the vacuum that is Romans Chapter 13 or would you look at this scripture in the context of the whole bible?
3 posted on 01/06/2012 2:53:27 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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“If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.” -Samuel Adams


4 posted on 01/06/2012 3:14:42 PM PST by zimfam007 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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Should we just accept this and whatever else comes 'til election day.

The inspired genius of the founding fathers was in establishing a system where "'til election day" can really be a viable option. You don't have to agree with what Obama does, but for now, the situation is such that it may be possible to overcome the evil of his administration through the ballot box.

Should he be re-elected and take that as a mandate to further his pernicious plans, things might change. Romans 13 is a very important verse and Christians should act counter to its advice only with the greatest trepidation. But Romans 13 needs to be read in light of Jesus' advice in Mark 12:17. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.

You do not owe your soul to the government. You do not owe your allegiance to any government which is evil and acts accordingly, especially when it pretends to act in your name. You owe your soul and your allegiance to God alone.

As John Adams put it in April of 1775, before the Revolutionary War,"We recognize no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus."

We should not be surprised to see that things may have progressed (regressed?) to such a sorry state. Also from Adams:

"Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide."

5 posted on 01/06/2012 3:20:25 PM PST by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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6 posted on 01/06/2012 3:22:24 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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You mean Paul's letter to the romans in the bible, Paul who evaded arrest and escaped prosecution by a wicked government by being lowered out of a window in a basket ? That Romans 13 ?...

Read this excellent book for a proper biblical context on Hitler's favorite-to-misuse bible passage.


7 posted on 01/06/2012 3:26:00 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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In Luke 19:13, Jesus said, “Occupy till I come.”

According to dictionary.com, one of the definitions for occupy is “to take possession and control of (a place), as by military invasion.”

So, no, Christians shouldn’t sit back and let evil things happen. We humbly seek God’s will and move on it.


8 posted on 01/06/2012 3:28:31 PM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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"Rebellion to Tyrants is obedience to God"

Reverse side of the First Committee U.S. seal proposal.

The first committee consisted of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams.

Franklin chose an allegorical scene from Exodus, described in his notes as "Moses standing on the Shore, and extending his Hand over the Sea, thereby causing the same to overwhelm Pharaoh who is sitting in an open Chariot, a Crown on his Head and a Sword in his Hand. Rays from a Pillar of Fire in the Clouds reaching to Moses, to express that he acts by Command of the Deity." Motto, "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God."


9 posted on 01/06/2012 3:31:39 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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Just asking, but am I to interpret Romans 13:1 to mean that if we cannot tolerate the government God has seen fit to let us have, then we have the option to flee as Joseph and Mary did to escape the wrath of Herod?


10 posted on 01/06/2012 3:34:57 PM PST by 1raider1
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We have no other choice but to accept whatever else comes till election because our representatives, a.k.a congresscritters, are silent on any matters except those that benefit themselves.


11 posted on 01/06/2012 3:41:20 PM PST by 353FMG
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the option to flee as Joseph and Mary did

Do what the Lord calls you to do. An angel of the Lord spoke to Joseph in a dream about fleeing to Egypt. If an angel of the Lord tells you to flee, by all means flee. But I am not sure I would get that from Romans 13.

12 posted on 01/06/2012 3:43:45 PM PST by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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Obama is not subjecting himself to the Constitution. Is that your point?

If so, Amen.


13 posted on 01/06/2012 4:38:36 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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No.


14 posted on 01/07/2012 12:00:42 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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No offense to anybody, but all of Obama's appointments are heavily influenced by the prince of the power of the air - Satan the Adversary - the prince of darkness.

The invisible power of the angelic air has its abode filled with devils (demonic angels) that hold temporary roles as heads over all governments and states of head in the world, these exist because Satan's plan is to govern the principle of operations in the heavens and try to occupy the thrones that God had set up. Satan's plan to govern is materialized as he affects the administration, national defense international trade, immigration, territory laws, citizens rights, land rights, etc. Satan runs this as a foreign policy and achieves this by strong influence over all affairs of nations, cities, municipality, community, etc.

That is why the course of this world is filled with the like of sinful men like Obama and all humans with their sin nature, lies, wars and murder and illness and sickness: everything that is evil which God never planned for this earth, but Satan is the god of this world, and as that god, he, Satan has failed to managed this earth. That is also why Obama's administration is a display of chaos and evil minded appointments and disregard for the constitutional laws of our Country. Not only does Satan desire to destroy the USA, but so does Obama! And since Obama is working in lock step with the angelic devils, it is no surprise for the actions which Obama does, like these most recent appointments. Do not be disturbed, this course of the god of this world must run its course...together with Obama...but at the right time both of their sessions will come to an end.

15 posted on 01/07/2012 6:04:57 PM PST by bibletruth
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