Posted on 01/09/2012 7:55:18 PM PST by Colofornian
So. What did the founder of Joseph Smith say about the Christian church (denominations)? Did Mormons label these assessments as Mormon "scripture?" (Yes)
No, mormonISM is NOT Christianity.
I respect Mormons as some of the most moral, clean-living family-oriented condemned people I know.
They are not Christians. They have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof.
The underlying question is really though:
Who would harm the nation more in 4 years: Mitt Romney or Barrack Obama?
I was speaking with a Mormon a few months ago and he basically believes that the Book of Mormon trumps the Holy Bible (ridiculous!) and that the Mormons are of the Order of Melchizedek priesthood and thus only ones going to Heaven. They won’t use wine when taking communion, because they don’t believe in the blood of Christ (the MAIN doctrine of the Christian church) so they use water, which is evil. These people need prayer, they are deceived and they are actually serving satan and don’t even know it—anyone who is following any doctrine other than the doctrine of Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible and Israel, is serving satan. Pray for Romney and others who need to have their eyes opened with TRUTH.
Therein lies one of my main concerns with electing a Mormon.
If they are that deceived, what else might befall them?
Just wondering why a non-Christian church would so prominently emphasize Jesus as a foundation of their faith. Kind of baffling if they aren't Christians.
Of course, the Brigham Young University are probably quite confused about their non-Christian faith when their answer to the question "Are Latter-day Saints Christian?", is...
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has always accepted Jesus of Nazareth in the Bible as the divine Redeemer and the Son of God who atoned for sins of all mankind and ensured our universal resurrection. The Church has never ceased to affirm that there is no other name given whereby man can be saved (see Acts 4:12). The Book of Mormon, another testament of Jesus Christ and revered as Latter-day Saint scripture, declares on its title page that it was written “to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations.”
So let's see. Mormons believe that Jesis is the Christ, the divine Redeemer and the Son of God and there is no other name given whereby man can be saved but through Jesus Christ, and yet they aren't Christians.
Hmmm... Has anybody told them this? They seem to be quite confused on the matter of their non-Christian Christianity. But then, I'm sure Baptists and Evangelicals know quite a lot more about the Mormon faith than the idiots actually PRACTICING in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
And no, I are not one. I am Catholic, mot Mormon. I will qualify my BIAS that in my case, I have never met a person I knew to be Mormon who I did not like. In any event, I leave it to Christ himself to judge the claim of the LDS church. I figure the Lord has this issue well sorted out.
In the meantime, we who call ourselves Christians certainly do a very good job of judging and disparaging others while that forty ton beam sticks out of our own eye.
Yes. If they are gullible in what they deem the most important part of their life, then why wouldn't that carry over?
Let's say that 80% of South Carolina and 75% of Florida households had significant Christian ties.
And yet Mitt Romney labels them all as "apostates?" (Mormon doctrine on non-Mormon Christian sects)
If he can't get it straight on who his "base" is for being elected -- if he can't accurately define the world religion of Christianity...how is he going to be discerning in foreign policy re: "What is Islam?"
If you were auditioning for godhood, you'd be on your best behavior, too!
By the way, President Obama is no different when it comes to serving false gods since he believes that Jesus was nothing more than a good teacher and that there are many paths to God, so he is also under the influence of satan. Either candidate is bad news except that from all indications Romney will stand firm with Israel while we know Obama sides with the Palestinians. Sometimes that is all God needs to serve His purpose, after all if you know the Bible you KNOW that though WE think we are the ones doing it all, God is who makes or breaks leaders according to His purposes, and if a nation is not fearing the one true God He may just give us what we deserve. It is in our hands and knees to fix things, GET ON YOUR KNEES PUT YOUR HANDS TOGETHER, REPENT and pray for God to heal our land. It doesn’t matter who wins the presidency if we keep ignoring God and do our own thing. So many people do not get it. They are all worried about high taxes and gas prices but no one is getting that if you call On God and worry about the things HE cares about (abortion, gay marriage, sexual immorality and perversions, greed, etc and most of all HIM...) then HE will take care of all the rest. He tells us in His word but how many really stop and read what He has to tell us??? We have the most powerful God and yet so many think it all hinges upon who is in the WH and what party has the senate or House. Get some wisdom, real wisdom and call on the Lord thy God! You cannot really SEE until HE opens your eyes and shows you, that comes from turning to Him and submitting your will unto Him, when you truly do it (not just go to Church once a week and think you are covered)He opens doors you will not believe. Even the door to the WH, but why should He give us a good man when we are ignoring HIM???
Since they govern the same, I see no difference either way, with one exception, there is a slim possibility more Republicans might be elected to the senate and the house.
However, the question is “are mormons Christians”, I stand by my statement mormonISM IS NOT Christianity.
You really need to learn of mormonISM.
They are not what you think or what their PR machine has lead you to beleive.
Have you EVER read 1 Corinthians 2? Ever?
What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes JUDGMENTS ABOUT ALL THINGS, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ. (1 Cor. 2:12-16)
So when the apostle Paul says that those truly in Christ "have the mind of Christ," was he lying? Deceived? Mistaken?
When the apostle Paul says that "The person with the Spirit makes JUDGMENTS ABOUT ALL THINGS" (1 Cor. 2:15), what? You don't believe the Holy Spirit is given to provide discernment?
You as a Catholic Christian don't know the difference between Holy Spirit-led discernment and judgment?
And when you mention a "forty ton beam stick[ing] out of our own eye," you really mean others besides yourself, right?
And for you to have come to this conclusion, is that spiritually discerned, or, are you making a 'judgment' upon others about that? And, if you're making a 'judgment' upon others about that, didn't you just preach against 'judging?' Yes? No? Maybe so?
How can you say, in effect, not to judge, and then turn around and judge others as having beams in their eyes? And, since you said "we" and "our," if you have a 40-ton beam sticking out of your own eye as well, how are you able to see what 40-ton beams are sticking out of others' eyes?
(Inquiring minds wanna know)
Because Satan from day 1 has wanted to be GOD, and he copies everything God does, only he is a counterfeit and thus to trick people why not parade around as a church of Jesus. The name doesn’t matter, the doctrine taught is the key—anyone can say they are Christian but if they are following a false teaching than the label does not matter. Satan is the father of lies, and as the Bible says there will be false teachers, churches etc... especially increasing in the last days. We are seeing it big time and it will only get worse as time goes on. If you really knew the BIBLE and Jesus as your personal savior (The mormons put the book of mormon above the Bible and even change the word of God) you would see clearly that the Mormons like the Jehovah Witnesses are a false church. This is why God urges us to read the Bible for ourselves, so we cannot be deceived. So many people comment on things they have no clue of, do the research and you will be enlightened. Read the WORD OF GOD.
It's Jesus is A Christ. One of the Sons of A God who was once a man, but he was exalted. If you're exalted, you'll become a god. Some of your celestial children will become the Christs of the world(s) for which you're a god.
I won't argue the theological soundness of that with you.
The difference is a Mark 8:29 thing: "And he asked them, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter answered him, "You are the Christ.”
Is it THE Christ or A Christ.
perhaps- but they subscribe to additional revelations which strike me as contradictory and confusing with respect to orthodoxy...
Interesting how these anti-Mormon posts keep popping up - it wouldn’t have anything to do with Mitt, would it? I’m all for Mormon bashing because I do not believe Mormonism is biblical; but since this is a political forum I have to ask: don’t we support everyone’s freedom of religion and worship? Are we voting based on someone’s religious beliefs? I sure hope not. In fact, by marginalizing Mitt’s faith, you almost give a reason to support him: he of all people will be sure to protect the freedom to worship as one chooses, since he is a religious minority.
I agree, the Bible says that wisdom comes from the fear of God, so if Romney is serving a false god (satan) how can we trust him to make the right decisions? Someone serving satan will be under influence of satan, someone that is a true Christian will be under the influence of the Holy Spirit, so gee, which would we rather have? A true Christian or someone that is easily deceived? Those that truly know God, recognize that to serve anyone but Jesus Christ is to be serving satan, there is only 2 things, good (Jesus) or evil (satan), Romney is on the wrong team as is Obama. As I see it, no matter what, the smart ones will serve Jesus and at least have His protection from what is to come (I am not talking about the Tribulation, but about what will happen before the rapture in our country), if you have Christ and put Him first, all of this stuff is nothing to worry about, let not your heart be troubled.
What then, Freedom, do you do with the false messiahs Jesus talked about in Matthew 24? (If they show up when you're still around, are you going to say they are the same Jesus who appeared before?) The apostle Paul claimed there was another Jesus in 2 Cor. 11:3-4.
If you go back to the last 25 years of the 20th century into the beginnings of the 21st century -- per official Mormon publications -- they actually agreed with this distinction:
Lds "prophet" Gordon B. Hinckley: “There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.” (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)
Hinckley again: As a Church we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say. Our faith, our knowledge is not based on ancient tradition, the creeds which came of a finite understanding and out of the almost infinite discussions of men trying to arrive at a definition of the risen Christ. Our faith, our knowledge comes of the witness of a prophet in this dispensation who saw before him the great God of the universe and His Beloved Son, the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ. ("We Look to Christ", from April 2002 General Conference.)
“It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons.” – LDS publication, Ensign Magazine, May 1977, p. 26
"And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, pg.269).
So the Mormon official publications say they worship a different Christ...
The Mormon "prophet" said they speak about, believe and acknowledge a different Christ...
Most Christians say they worship, speak of and trust another Jesus...
So. We are seemingly on the same page...so why the few stragglers who are out of harmony??? p>Q Is the True Jesus Christ a 'Saved Being'?
A In contrast to the Mormon christ -- who is but a "saved being"--a mere creature like dear ole Dad, the true Jesus Christ is eternal!
The 'Mormon' Jesus: "Christ is a saved being” (lds "apostle" McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p 257)
“Modern revelation speaks of our Lord as he that ‘ascended up on high, as also he descended below all things, in that he comprehended all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth‘ (D&C 88:6). Christ's rise to the throne of exaltation was preceded by his descent below all things. Only by submitting to the powers of demons and death and hell could he, in the resurrection, serve as our exemplar of a saved being...” (McConkie and Millet, Doctrinal Commentary on the Book of Mormon, vol. 1, p. 234)
Please also see...
* McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, Vol. 3, p. 238 where he said the Mormon "jesus" "Needs salvation...Came to earth to work out His own salvation”)
* McConkie, "The Seven Deadly Heresies,' in Speeches of the Year, 1980 [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1981] p. 78 where he said: "There was only one perfect being, the Lord Jesus. If men had to be perfect and live all of the law strictly, wholly, and completely, there would be only one saved person in eternity." [cited in Come, Follow Me: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide 1983 (1983) p. 72
I'm sorry, but the real Christ did not need to "work out His own salvation" as Lds apostles teach; in fact, He is THE Savior of the world: And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be THE Savior of the world. (1 John 4:14; cf. John 4:42).
Bottom line: Freedom, if your "Christ" is the same "Christ" as the Mormon "christ," then your Christ is a saved being!
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