Posted on 01/09/2012 7:55:18 PM PST by Colofornian
I smell a Mormon.
The person, work and nature of Jesus Christ, and the Nature of God is NOT as you call it ‘minutiae’. The role of the Cross is not minutiae. Mormons are not Christians based upon their views of God and Christ.
And your use of the phrase “Jesus is the Christ” is a dead giveaway. So how about admitting you are LDS.
Saying that Mormons aren’t Christian would be like McDonald’s saying that Burger King isn’t a hamburger restaurant.
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Bad analogy. Rather it is like saying that McDonald’s hamburgers are still hamburgers even though they are made out of rotten fish guts.
Mormonism is evil to its core.
So you are a car just because you sit in your garage?
Mormons are not Christians. I found out the hard way (see tagline)
I wonder if DJD would call rotten Deer Jerky prime rib?
Sleeper troll.
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:deerjerkydave/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change
People who don't read the New Testament and are re-educated by secular campuses in multi-culturalism aren't used to this kind of stark language.
But there it is in the New Testament. Both the Apostle Paul and Jesus were especially indignant toward the religious legalists:
1 You foolish Galatians! Who has BEWITCHED you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? [Apostle Paul, Galatians 3:1-3]
29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31 So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears. [Apostle Paul, Acts 20:29-31]
For those so inclined who take their New Testament reading seriously, read also the end of John 8 and all through Matthew 23 for how Jesus handled the legalists of that time -- the Pharisees. Jesus labeled them "children of the devil" in John 8 and vipers and whitewashed tombs (among other labels) in Matt. 23.
Paul and Jesus brazenly speaking such truth in public wouldn't be "tolerated" in a PC, multi-cultural generation today -- any more than they were received too often with open arms then. (They wouldn't be perceived as very "inclusive")
All that means is that those who advocate "can't we all get along with legalists" like what we commonly see on these threads have much more in common with "the world" than they do Jesus or the one who God utilized to pen over half of the New Testament books.
Ah, good find.
I am sincere in that I encourage to read this vanity I wrote and posted less than a month ago: If Mormonism is 'anti-Christian,' then how can it be considered 'Christian?'
It's a lengthy article...but the last section is FAQ...adding to its readability. (I kind of doubt you would apologize for what your general authorities have said about both Christians and Christianity as highlighted on that thread)
Feel free to comment on that article either here -- or on that thread.
It doesn’t matter how Mormons view others, or how others view Mormons. From an unbiased secular view point they are both Christian.
But according to their theology and the Bible they are not.
Many (Christain and secular) will vote for Romney because they have bought into the LDS lobbying for the designation “Christian” for their belief system. Which is not Christian.
It's important to educate the masses.
We'll start with you...
Wow! Dave
Really?
"Secular" literally means worldly.
So...the people the apostle Paul writes about as being "in darkness" (book of Acts) and in bondage (Romans 6) and spiritually dead (Eph. 2:1-3)...
...Those people are "unbiased".
Well, Dave. Let's wait for them to come up with their own "scripture" so we can devour all that "unbiased worldly 'wisdom'!"
Touche' Syncro.
Good catch...discernment...and a touch of truthful humor to close it out. :)
You've succinctly drilled down to our cultural socio-political problem in this election season: Many (Christain and secular) will vote for Romney because they have bought into the LDS lobbying for the designation “Christian” for their belief system. Which is not Christian. It's important to educate the masses.
Dave -- and those "masses" in need of education...
...Christianity is not both...
...monotheistic (Christianity) and polytheistic (Mormonism)
...defining eternal life as all in Christ in heaven living now and forever with Heavenly Father (& Jesus) (Christianity) and reserving "eternal life" & living forever with Heavenly Father for only would-be grown-up gods who got the right paper-work from the Mormon church while still on earth...
I could go on and on re that...but I don't want to "lose" those tracking this convo...
So a brief explanation is in order: Mormons say that those who reach the lesser two "degrees" of heaven (like Christians) won't live forever with Heavenly Father and won't become gods like married Mormons with temple recommends.
I'm sorry...but an Eternal Fatherless heaven is NO heaven at all!
And a Gospel that doesn't preach a true reconciliation with the Father -- which is also the literal meaning of the word "atonement" -- coming from grouping together at-one-ment...is NO "gospel" at all!
Here is the TRUE (non-Mormon) Gospel:
7 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! 18 All this is from God, who RECONCILED us to HIMSELF through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was RECONCILING the world to HIMSELF in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be RECONCILED to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (Apostle Paul, 2 Corinthians 5:17-21)
Do you notice verse 18 -- how being reconciled with Heavenly Father is CAN be a past tense breakthrough on THIS side of death? [...God, who RECONCILED us to HIMSELF...]
The restorationists are NOT Christ centered faith systems and, BTW Christians don't allow non-Christians to define "Christianity" regardless of the attempt of non-Christians to do so.
"Typical of Restorationist beliefs is that the early church fell into complete apostasy, which they usually date to around 312 CE when the emperor Contstantine of the Roman Empire either converted to Christianity or cynically co-opted it, depending on whom you ask. Some Restorationists will date this apostasy slightly earlier to Tertullian's formulation of the doctrine of the trinity, or to the switch from Saturday to Sunday worship. The apostasy is often viewed as a deliberate introduction of paganism into the church, including (depending on whom you ask) the Christianising and renaming of pagan festivals to become Christmas and Easter, the introduction of goddess worship into the church under the guise of Mary, the acceptance of warfare and swearing oaths (both forbidden by the early church with oaths viewed as pagan rites), and/or the introduction of infant baptism and baptism by sprinkling rather than dunking. Examples of books purporting to trace exactly when and how the early church fell into apostasy are The Great Apostasy by Mormon leader James Talmage, and The Great Controversy by Seventh-day Adventist founder Ellen G. White. Other books such as The Trail of Blood (a Baptist booklet) and the Anabaptist/Amish tome Martyr's Mirror also hold to this belief that the church on the whole fell into apostasy but that a smallish persecuted remnant of true believers remained underground and carried on the true faith in a line of succession until the present
The Church of Christ, originally known as the Campbellites or the Restoration Movement, appears to be the origin of the term. Some religious scholars use the term only to refer to the Campbellite movement and to the Mormons due to the early connections between the two, and not anyone else. Others employ a broader use of the term, including in addition some or all of the following: Jehovah's Witnesses, Pentecostalism (especially its Jesus-only baptism branch), Christian Identity, Seventh-day Adventism and its offshoots (including the Branch Davidians and the Worldwide Church of God), Christadelphians, Plymouth Brethren, Joel's Army, the Discipling and Shepherding movement, and the Local Church movement. Older movements with origins on the radically low-church end of the Protestant Reformation, such as the Puritans, Quakers, and Anabaptists, are usually not included even though they resemble in many ways the more recent Restorationist groups' attempts at restoring primitive Christianity."
Note the many recognized cults on the list.
This is not the first attempt on FR by someone to post this kind of garbage. I remember a few mormons trying to label us as "mainstream Christians" in order to co opt the name. It failed then, also.
Even secular views conflict with your statement DJD. BTW, welcome back after nearly 3 years.
Since we are dealing with RELIGIOUS doctines and termologies here, what the secular world views isn't worth a nickle. The secular world views FLDS as mormons - is that something you would accept?
If we were comparing the Lions Club to the Rotarians, then secular 'views' could be applicable. But since we are dealing with religious doctrines, those hold sway rather than "secular opinion".
“From an unbiased secular view point “
ATTENTION ALL CHRISTIANS!!!!!
From now on, your right to decide on what Christianity believes have been rescinded.
A committee of those holding a “secular view point” will be deciding these issues.
That is all.
Since when is mormonISM (Biblical) Christ centered?
Apparently you know nothing about mormonISM.
From an unbiased secular view point they are both Christian.
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“secular” ??????????
But from the very BIASED view point of God, Mormonism is not Christian...
Its what God decides on the matters pertaining to Him that count, sonny...
The “savior” of Mormonism got his goose cooked in a gun fight at the Old Carthage Jail..
Nobody got saved through his ignoble death..
The Savior of Christianity lay down His life and shed His Blood on the Cross to save the world..
Whomever will can admit they are a sinner and ask for forgiveness and be saved from Hell and eternal damnation through the Blood of the Savior, the LORD Jesus Christ..
and go to Heaven to live forever with Him..
But He deals in Fish Sandwiches...
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