Free Republic
Browse · Search
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Mary: Mother of God?
What Does the Bible say? ^ | 01/11/2012 | Bro. Lev Humphries,

Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7

Mary: Mother of God?

This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."

This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.

Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?

The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.

Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."

The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".

This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."

It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.

TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: blessedvirginmary; calvinismisdead; divinity; humanity; ignoranceisbliss; mariolatry; mary; motherofgod; nestorianheresy; nestorians; perpetualvirginity; theotokos
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 1,381-1,4001,401-1,4201,421-1,440 ... 1,741-1,751 next last
To: one Lord one faith one baptism
>> are you confused also about the Sabbath and what it represented?<<

Which “Sabbath” would you be referring to? Would that be the Sabbath that was set up by God or man? Which Sabbath was referred to in the Ten Commandments? Does the CC consider the Ten Commandments null and void? Help me out here and maybe I can answer your question.

1,401 posted on 01/15/2012 9:45:27 AM PST by CynicalBear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1384 | View Replies]

To: MarkBsnr
..which is why I asked you to read Acts 8,9 and 10. It would be fascinating study, if you read it prayerfully. And would answer your questions about Peter and Cornelius and the Messianic Church of the Kingdom as compared to the Church the Body of Christ that Paul was commissioned to preach. BTW: that Church the Body of Christ IS the reason the "last days" that Peter spoke of on the day of Pentecost were put "on hold". Acts 8 would give you another clue. Then Acts 9 would open your eyes, as Acts 10 explains WHY, after Paul is saved and given his commission by the risen Christ, Peter and the 11 give to him the right hand of fellowship. While Paul preaches the gospel of the uncircumcision, Peter and the 11 REMAIN in Jerusalem and preach the gospel of the circumcision. Which is what Galatians Chapter 2 refers to.

Other than that, we are sympatico with Scripture...:)lol!

1,402 posted on 01/15/2012 9:46:06 AM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1397 | View Replies]

To: MarkBsnr

I was under the impression that it might be ‘computer time allowance’ at a half-way house. Thank you for setting back on the straight & narrow road to Heaven.

Thank you again as I was having uncharitable thoughts.

1,403 posted on 01/15/2012 9:46:35 AM PST by gghd
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1390 | View Replies]

To: MarkBsnr
>>but that is only conjecture<<

As are many of the beliefs of the RCC so that fits right in!

1,404 posted on 01/15/2012 9:49:19 AM PST by CynicalBear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1388 | View Replies]

To: MarkBsnr; smvoice
>>He also led Christianity in Rome.<<

Proof from scripture please

1,405 posted on 01/15/2012 9:59:58 AM PST by CynicalBear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1397 | View Replies]

To: MarkBsnr; Rashputin

Wish I knew how to do that:)

But, all I can do is type a hardy, heartfelt, BRAVO!

1,406 posted on 01/15/2012 10:06:05 AM PST by Jvette
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1382 | View Replies]

To: Iscool

Logic doesn’t seem to be one of your stronger suits.

1,407 posted on 01/15/2012 10:26:25 AM PST by rzman21
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1347 | View Replies]

To: Jvette; Rashputin

Either we are warriors for Christ or else we are not.

1,408 posted on 01/15/2012 10:32:22 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1406 | View Replies]

To: MarkBsnr
Good picture. Indicates just how wrong-headed the warfare can get, when it's driven by rationalism, bitterness, etc.

Since they failed in their quests in the Middle East, at least they had the Albigensian and Waldensian necks to set their battle-axes upon later, eh?

Slaughter them all in the name of Christ! [what a travesty]

1,409 posted on 01/15/2012 10:39:14 AM PST by BlueDragon (on'a $10 horse an' a $40 saddle I'm going up the trail with them longhorn cattle c'm uh ty-yi-yipy-)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1408 | View Replies]

To: Rashputin; metmom; boatbums; caww; smvoice; presently no screen name; Lera; Quix; wmfights; ...

I am not sure if you are looking for a response your unreasonable unloading, but I see it as a very superficial broadbrush. Yet the subjects behind your complaint are fundamental and worthy of some analyzation and investigation, which I would try to briefly address.

In essence, they believe they've said the magic words, so now Jesus Christ is indebted to and obligated to them, and that they are in no way indebted to or obligated to Christ...In their view, they are the Potter and Christ is their clay.

While antinomianism has been a problem from before the Reformation, that sola fide historical overall marginalized works is clearly contrary to its overall testimony.

And while today a superficial form of Protestantism is increasingly manifest, taking upon the characteristics of the society in which it exists, this decreasing camp stands in contrast to evangelicals (yet, a remnant) who manifest more commitment to the supremacy of Scripture and core Protestant distinctives, and which is the type of faith I think is overall behind what is often contended for here. Rather than liberal Protestantism being a product of Sola Scriptura as the word of God after its historical Scriptural “tradition,” they evidence rejection of the Scriptures as the supreme authority and the word of God.

Meanwhile, contrary to your depiction, like liberal Protestantism, it is Roman Catholics who overall testify to “easy believism” being inferior to evangelicals in areas of commitment and doctrine. While this laxity is not official teaching, faith is know by its works, and this easy believism is what Rome largely effectually promotes by fostering confidence in her power and one's merit, and by her lack of any real discipline of abortion and homosexual, etc. promoting Catholics, in which she conveys that as long as one dies in the arms of Rome she will get them in, no matter if they evidenced impenitent basic moral beliefs that were critically contrary to Christ.

Therefore Roman Catholicism has two camps: the Traditionalists, some of whom go so far as the sedevacantist schism, and want the powers Rome once had as it took upon much of the form and means of the empire in which it was found, and seem to long for the days of the inquisitions, while the majority of Catholics who follow after the liberal interpretations fostered by Vatican II.

And while you can seek to relegate these liberals to be non-Catholics, yet these are honored in life and in death as members. And this necessary inclusion impugns the validity of your message, as unlike us, you do not simply preach a faith but a particular supreme Church as an intrinsic part of that faith, and thus what it officially teaches as well as presently effectually fosters is what you argue for.

As we've seen clearly in this thread, even denying the deity of Christ as it is spelled out in the New Testament doesn't matter to such folks.

As touched on above, rather than being characterized as denying such core essentials, as the deity of Christ, those denominations which have held to the Scriptures as supreme as the word of God historically have contended against such as deny them, as well, as against the traditions of men being made equal to the Scriptures by Rome, as the aberrations of both groups are the result of a shared practice, that of effectively making the church magisterium supreme over the Scriptures. And which groups from the Mormons to the Watchtower Society also do.

The Invisible Church of The Most High Self

Rather, while those who hold to the supremacy of Scripture recognize that the one true church only consists of born again believers, (1Cor. 12:13; Eph. 1:13) yet such typically are manifest in known visible bodies, whether be Southern Baptist or Calvary chapels.

And as holding the Scriptures as supreme means as they also uphold the teaching magisterium of the church, they thus each have a higher magisterium over their own particular flock. And in which is all the power Rome effectively has, even if it presumes universal jurisdiction. And while such evangelical magisterium's do not presume to claim assured infallibility as per Rome, which is an attribute they hold is only given on Earth to Scripture, instead requires all teaching to be substantiated and warranted upon the weight of Scripture, so strong is this evidence as regards certain core teachings that overall one will be marked as a heretic if they deviate from them.

And thus while lacking a centralized administration, yet as said, like Catholics, evangelicals manifest a common consent to certain core teachings, while allowing varying degrees of liberty in other things. And which is also true in Roman Catholicism, although there is far more that Catholics can and do disagree on than the average one realizes or might admit to.

Therefore, while RCA's often charge that every Protestant is his own pope, yet in contrast to the pope, no one who holds to SS can presume assured infallibility, which the Sola Scripturist only holds the Scriptures are, and like the noble Bereans, (Acts 17:11) he seeks to prove all things by that which is proved to be of God; it being the only transcendent, material authority on faith and morals which is established to be wholly inspired of God, (2Tim. 3:16) and which is abundantly evidenced to be the standard for obedience and for testing truth claims.

In addition, while Roman Catholic apologist often attack evangelicals based upon their reliance upon fallible human reasoning, however prayerful — an infirmity which the supreme magisterium of Rome asserts they are immune from when speaking in accordance with their infallibly-defined criteria — yet the Catholic himself makes a fallible decision to submit to Rome, which use of fallible human reasoning he also engages in when interpreting what Rome has taught, including which teachings are indeed infallible in which was are not, in which he cannot be absolutely sure.

Therefore both the Catholic and evangelical claim to have and assuredly infallible authority, but neither claim to be assuredly in fallible themselves.

In contrast, the type of assurance which Scripture promises the believer in the Scriptures, is not based upon the premise of an assuredly infallible magisterium, though that does not disallow that believers and the church can speak infallible truth, but the assurance promise therein is based upon conformity to the assuredly infallible Scriptures and its means of attesting to truth, especially to new revelation. And which is what Acts 15 and other examples testifies to.

That is all for now.

1,410 posted on 01/15/2012 10:51:13 AM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1362 | View Replies]

To: CynicalBear; MarkBsnr

who did Paul write to in Rome if the Church was invisible?

who did Paul write to in Corinth if the Church was invisible?

could it be your “version” of the church truly was invisible ( meaning it didn’t exist ) until the 16th century?

1,411 posted on 01/15/2012 11:00:30 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1399 | View Replies]

To: CynicalBear; editor-surveyor

i am referring to the 7th day Sabbath that the “prophetess” Ellen G White taught we are to keep.

1,412 posted on 01/15/2012 11:02:26 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1401 | View Replies]

To: Al Hitan
Now, why on earth would I want to bother discussing the convoluted pontifications of a Jack Daniels infused former Catholic arguing from the La-Z-Boy seat of his self-annointed popehood? Maybe you can find a stuffed armadillo that has the time to take it all in.

In other words: don't confuse me with facts of the scripture, I've already been programmed by the CC....

1,413 posted on 01/15/2012 11:34:15 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1373 | View Replies]

To: Jvette
Do you not see the profound contradiction in the fact that on the one hand, protestants say that Jesus had siblings born of Mary, and then in their haste to deny the true meaning of this verse, they say that Jesus had to see to her care because it was the duty of the offspring to take care of the parents.

What happened to all the offspring protestants say Mary had? Why would Jesus, at the last minute, hanging from the cross, who cries out to God and says six other things that complete the fulfillment of His mission, suddenly think that none of His brothers and sisters would care for their mother?

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

You said this woman is Mary...Mary who in sorrow shall bring forth CONCEPTION and CHILDREN...

So what's up with that???

1,414 posted on 01/15/2012 11:41:37 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1379 | View Replies]

To: Jvette
>>I don’t believe that the Church replaced Israel.<<

Take that up with the RCC which evidently disagrees with you. Does that mean you are interpreting for yourself?

1,415 posted on 01/15/2012 11:43:12 AM PST by CynicalBear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1395 | View Replies]

To: one Lord one faith one baptism
>>who did Paul write to in Rome if the Church was invisible?<<

Didn’t you read the whole thing? Oh, you aren’t posting on your day of rest are you. I’ll help you. The “invisible church” can be a attending any one of the “visible” earthly organizations.

1,416 posted on 01/15/2012 11:47:11 AM PST by CynicalBear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1411 | View Replies]

To: one Lord one faith one baptism
>>i am referring to the 7th day Sabbath that the “prophetess” Ellen G White taught we are to keep.<<

Oh, then I don’t much care. I listen to what God says.

1,417 posted on 01/15/2012 11:48:27 AM PST by CynicalBear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1412 | View Replies]

To: one Lord one faith one baptism; CynicalBear

Were’re tired of hearing from the Mary/Ishtar worship prophetess “one Lord one faith one baptism” whose attacks are becoming vexatious.

1,418 posted on 01/15/2012 11:57:25 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1412 | View Replies]

To: one Lord one faith one baptism; CynicalBear

>> “are you confused also about the Sabbath and what it represented?” <<

No, but you certainly are.

1,419 posted on 01/15/2012 11:59:39 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1384 | View Replies]

To: MarkBsnr

Works are for Pagan, antichrist, Mary/Istar worshipers.

1,420 posted on 01/15/2012 12:01:24 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1371 | View Replies]

Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 1,381-1,4001,401-1,4201,421-1,440 ... 1,741-1,751 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794 is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson