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Mary: Mother of God?
What Does the Bible say? ^ | 01/11/2012 | Bro. Lev Humphries,

Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7

Mary: Mother of God?

This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."

This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.

Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?

The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.

Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."

The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".

This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."

It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: blessedvirginmary; calvinismisdead; divinity; humanity; ignoranceisbliss; mariolatry; mary; motherofgod; nestorianheresy; nestorians; perpetualvirginity; theotokos
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To: daniel1212
....while Roman Catholic apologist often attack evangelicals based upon their reliance upon fallible human reasoning, however prayerful — an infirmity which the supreme magisterium of Rome asserts they are immune from when speaking in accordance with their infallibly-defined criteria — .....yet the Catholic himself makes a fallible decision to submit to Rome,..... which use of 'fallible human reasoning' he also engages in when interpreting what Rome has taught, including which teachings are indeed infallible in which was are not,.... in which he cannot be absolutely sure.

Amazing Daniel....the fact catholics have made a decision,... 'based on human reason',... to believe in the Vatican and it's teachings does make the point.

1,451 posted on 01/15/2012 6:42:07 PM PST by caww
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To: BlueDragon
Since they failed in their quests in the Middle East, at least they had the Albigensian and Waldensian necks to set their battle-axes upon later, eh?

Very good. At least the non Christians were opposed. Do you oppose them?

1,452 posted on 01/15/2012 6:47:50 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: daniel1212
......the type of assurance which Scripture promises the believer in the Scriptures, is not based upon the premise of an assuredly infallible magisterium,.... though that does not disallow that believers and the church can speak infallible truth,..... but the assurance promise therein is based upon conformity to the assuredly infallible Scriptures and its means of attesting to truth, especially to new revelation...... And which is what Acts 15 and other examples testifies to.

Amen! ....All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. .....2 Timothy 3:16-17

...Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her ....'with the washing of water by the word',..... that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.... Ephesians 5:25-27

1,453 posted on 01/15/2012 6:49:16 PM PST by caww
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To: editor-surveyor; one Lord one faith one baptism
Were’re tired of hearing from the Mary/Ishtar worship prophetess “one Lord one faith one baptism” whose attacks are becoming vexatious.

Try to imagine how much we care.

1,454 posted on 01/15/2012 6:49:24 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Works are for Pagan, antichrist, Mary/Istar worshipers.

Then you may wish to get your story straight.

1,455 posted on 01/15/2012 6:50:15 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Iscool

I don’t normally respond to liars who post lies about me. You may feel privileged.


1,456 posted on 01/15/2012 6:51:35 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Jvette
AS I said, protestantism is a SEA of confusion.

More like a witches' brew than a sea.

That is why the Church is called the Barque of Peter, as it was/is from there that Jesus calms that raging sea.

Much wisdom. I thank you.

1,457 posted on 01/15/2012 6:55:13 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; editor-surveyor

someone doesn’t like talking about the “prophetess” and her teaching Jesus was a created being Michael the archangel.

Mark, you are right, i don’t care.

As far as Mary goes, we call her Blessed and the unbelievers call her Ishtar.


1,458 posted on 01/15/2012 6:58:31 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: phil413; metmom
Luther and Calvin held an opinion that Mary remained a virgin throughout her life. They were both quick to add that this opinion in no way gave Mary any special abilities or characteristics or role in God's plan of salvation, nor the church any reason to venerate her, pray to her, or look to her for salvation, forgiveness or grace.

"Nay, rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God. We see that Christ treats almost as a matter of indifference that point on which the woman had set a high value. And undoubtedly what she supposed to be Mary's highest honor was far inferior to the other favors which she had received; for it was of vastly greater importance to be regenerated by the Spirit of God than to conceive Christ, according to the flesh, in her womb; to have Christ living spiritually within her than to suckle him with her breasts. In a word, the highest happiness and glory of the holy Virgin consisted in her being a member of his Son, so that the heavenly Father reckoned her in the number of new creatures."

1,459 posted on 01/15/2012 7:00:21 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

>> “someone doesn’t like talking about the “prophetess” and her teaching Jesus was a created being Michael the archangel.” <<

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Is she by any chance your mother?

You are so obsessed with talking about her and seem to be the only living person that believes in her as a prophetess.


1,460 posted on 01/15/2012 7:03:11 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: caww; daniel1212
....while Roman Catholic apologist often attack evangelicals based upon their reliance upon fallible human reasoning, however prayerful — an infirmity which the supreme magisterium of Rome asserts they are immune from when speaking in accordance with their infallibly-defined criteria — .....yet the Catholic himself makes a fallible decision to submit to Rome,..... which use of 'fallible human reasoning' he also engages in when interpreting what Rome has taught, including which teachings are indeed infallible in which was are not,.... in which he cannot be absolutely sure.

And here's the truly funny thing: Person A believes that Person B, because of his position in an apostolic succession going back to Jesus and his charge to his apostles, can speak infallibly on matters of faith and doctrine (though it's happened only twice since the 19th century). Person C scoffs and says that's an example of "fallible human reasoning" while granting to himself, supposedly through the guidance of God's Spirit that he denies to Person B, an interpretation of both scripture and God's will that he, Person C, regards to be at least if not more accurate than that promulgated by Person B and believed by Person A. Just who is being the more credulous?
1,461 posted on 01/15/2012 7:04:12 PM PST by aruanan
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
someone doesn’t like talking about the “prophetess” and her teaching Jesus was a created being Michael the archangel.

When one's purpose is to be antiCatholic, then nothing else matters.

Mark, you are right, i don’t care. As far as Mary goes, we call her Blessed and the unbelievers call her Ishtar.

When your only high point in life is to name your own salvation, nothing else matters, even reality.

1,462 posted on 01/15/2012 7:04:27 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
the deification of Mary is a whole different kind of sacrilege where God's word implies the penalty is far more severe.

I have great concerns for those who get "caught up" in this Maryology...even in the least bit. It always appears to lead people away from Christ and she becomes central...if He is spoken of it's generally after the fact as if speaking His name sanctions these acts of worhip, or adoration, or what ever they choose to call it.

It is noteworthy that even in discussions about statues, shrines etc. Jesus is rarely mentioned if at all...it's as if He's the decorative ornament on the entity they are speaking of, with, or attempting to engage people with.

1,463 posted on 01/15/2012 7:05:18 PM PST by caww
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To: editor-surveyor; MarkBsnr

i can always tell those that follow EGW and her heretical teachings:

THEY HATE THE CHURCH WITH A PASSION.

that’s ok, the devil has been trying to destroy the Church for 2,000 years, unfortunately, the Holy Spirit won’t let him!


1,464 posted on 01/15/2012 7:09:02 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Hello, good Dr. E. I missed the antiCatholic venom of which flavours the RF with such permeation.

Your little unattributed polemic (not surprising) does not jive with the vast writings of the Reformers. Shall I provide quotes?

1,465 posted on 01/15/2012 7:09:32 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

A man of knowledge uses words with restraint and a man of understanding is even-tempered. Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.


1,466 posted on 01/15/2012 7:13:19 PM PST by caww
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To: caww
A man of knowledge uses words with restraint and a man of understanding is even-tempered. Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.

You post words of wisdom. I however have been wronged and lies posted about me are unacknowleged and treated as truth. Therefore I shall continue until said idiot confesses it in the same public fashion that he posted initially.

1,467 posted on 01/15/2012 7:19:20 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Jvette
>>To say that the Church replaced Israel is wrong, and the Church does not say that.<<

Take that up with the CC and what it actually teaches.

877 Likewise, it belongs to the sacramental nature of ecclesial ministry that it have a collegial character. In fact, from the beginning of his ministry, the Lord Jesus instituted the Twelve as "the seeds of the new Israel and the beginning of the sacred hierarchy." Chosen together, they were also sent out together, and their fraternal unity would be at the service of the fraternal communion of all the faithful: they would reflect and witness to the communion of the divine persons. For this reason every bishop exercises his ministry from within the episcopal college, in communion with the bishop of Rome, the successor of St. Peter and head of the college. So also priests exercise their ministry from within the presbyterium of the diocese, under the direction of their bishop. [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/877.htm]

Just as the Old Testament is full of foreshadows of the New Testament (typology), Catholics believe the Bible is clear that the New Jerusalem of the Book of Revelation is not the historic city of Jerusalem. We do not believe that present day Israel is the same spiritual entity as the historic Israel before the time of Christ. After the crucifixion, the curtain of the Jewish sanctuary was torn in two (Mk 15:37-39, Lk 23:44-46, Mt 27:51) which was God tearing his cloths. At that point, a transfer of authority happened and we believe that the fledgling Church became the New Israel. [http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/why_did_the_catholic_church_move_to_rome_from_jerusalem.htm]

“became the new Israel” is NOT saying they “joined” Israel.

1,468 posted on 01/15/2012 7:22:25 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Jvette
>>That is why the woman in Genesis and in Revelation can be Mary, Israel and the Church as all three fulfill all or some of what is written.<<

Only if you force something into it and ignore the rest of scripture that applies.

1,469 posted on 01/15/2012 7:32:29 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
As far as Mary goes, we call her Blessed and the unbelievers call her Ishtar.

Unbelievers don't care one way or another what you call her. But Christians call her Mary....catholicism calls her:

Queen of angels,...Queen of prophets,...Queen of apostles,...Queen of martyrs,...Queen of confessors,...Queen of virgins,....Queen of all saints,....Queen conceived without original sin,...Queen assumed into heaven,....Queen of the most holy Rosary,.....Queen of families....Queen of peace.

Seat of wisdom,......Cause of our joy,....Spiritual vessel,....Vessel of honor....Singular vessel of devotion....Mystical Rose, ...............................

Tower of David,.....Tower of ivory,.....House of gold,.....Ark of the covenant,......Gate of heaven,..... Morning star,......................

Health of the sick, Refuge of sinners, Comforter of the afflicted................

Virgin most venerable, Virgin most renowned, Virgin most powerful, Virgin most merciful, Virgin most faithful,........................

Holy Mother of God, Holy Virgin of virgins Mother of the Church Mother of divine grace Mother most pure, Mother most chaste, Mother inviolate, Mother undefiled, Mother most amiable, Mother most admirable, Mother of good counsel, Mother of our Creator,......................

Just to name a few titles. MAny of which are exclusively Christ's and His alone...and some dare say she is not worshipped?????

1,470 posted on 01/15/2012 7:33:49 PM PST by caww
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To: MarkBsnr

...but a prudent man overlooks an insult.


1,471 posted on 01/15/2012 7:39:05 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

“Just to name a few titles. MAny of which are exclusively Christ’s and His alone...and some dare say she is not worshipped????? “

isn’t it interesting that only non-Catholics say Catholics worship Mary?

no Catholic would or ever could worship Mary and every Catholic knows this.

now, if Mary really was supposed to be worshipped according to Catholic doctrine and Catholics deny worshipping her, wouldn’t they be sinning?

for example, Catholic doctrine days the Trinity ( Father, Son and Holy Spirit ) alone should be worshipped. A Catholic would sinning if they denied this.

but non-Catholics understand this, it’s more fun spreading “untruths” isn’t it?


1,472 posted on 01/15/2012 7:40:51 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: caww
...but a prudent man overlooks an insult.

More truth. However, I am not always prudent...

1,473 posted on 01/15/2012 7:42:19 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Try.


1,474 posted on 01/15/2012 7:43:18 PM PST by caww
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
i can always tell those that follow EGW and her heretical teachings:

There is no Christianity in those that follow her. You have hit the nail right on the thumb.

1,475 posted on 01/15/2012 7:43:18 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: caww
There is no try. There is only do or not do.

I am not sure that I can do in this case.

1,476 posted on 01/15/2012 7:46:16 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Most Christians don’t follow other Christians...they “try” to let Christ have His way with them....thus walking with the Lord...not with another individual....unless of course a husband or wife.


1,477 posted on 01/15/2012 7:47:21 PM PST by caww
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To: CynicalBear

Church fathers said to be at variance with eschatology of Roman Catholicism: http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00CAjU


1,478 posted on 01/15/2012 7:47:21 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: MarkBsnr

LOL......oh my gosh Mark...I was thinking of putting Yoda’s ‘do or do not’ out there but then ...well...maybe I should have.

You say you don’t think you can in this case? Well, what was that little train that said ...”I think I can, I think Ican”? So get on board!


1,479 posted on 01/15/2012 7:50:38 PM PST by caww
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To: caww
Most Christians don’t follow other Christians...they “try” to let Christ have His way with them....thus walking with the Lord...not with another individual....unless of course a husband or wife.

Again, much wisdom. I understand about the relationship of a Christian wife. Mine is without parallel and God's special gift to me. She has given me five wonderful children and is the most excellent manager of finances of our household. Not only that, she looks wonderful in a bikini and even better out of it.

I have been blessed far beyond my deserving.

1,480 posted on 01/15/2012 7:54:24 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Iscool
In other words: don't confuse me with facts of the scripture, I've already been programmed by the CC....

The facts of scripture are one thing. Your convoluted pontifications on them are another. Just don't confuse the two.

I've already been programmed by the CC....

Crown and coke may be your thing but not mine.

1,481 posted on 01/15/2012 8:13:16 PM PST by Al Hitan (Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.)
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To: caww

And which are seeing the greatest loss of members.


1,482 posted on 01/15/2012 8:19:37 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: caww
From a critical sedevacantist perspective: http://www.the-pope.com/wvat2tec.html
1,483 posted on 01/15/2012 8:21:40 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: caww

I understand the reason it is appealing, but upon deeper analysis it still leaves a problem it is presented as solving, with the limited scope and perspicuity of the IM being a factor.


1,484 posted on 01/15/2012 8:27:51 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: D-fendr

There is no Biblical support for you to “pray to me”. That, in fact, is heresy and it is heresy for me to accept it in any form.

You can ask me to pray for you, but that is it.

Read your Bible!


1,485 posted on 01/15/2012 8:33:03 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: narses

Narses, there is NOWHERE in Scripture that supports the concept of dead Christians being prayed to or for them to be praying for Paul.

There is no Biblical support for relics or images of God or of His people to be used for “devotional” ‘encouragement’.

If so, post the Catholic’s own Bible verses here. Otherwise, you have no source worth squat.


1,486 posted on 01/15/2012 8:37:55 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Al Hitan

I’d like to have you show where the Pope was ever mentioned in the Catholic’s own version of the Bible. If you can, then I’ll speak further.

There is no “Pope” in the Bible, nor a reference in any form to one such as that. All the Apostles were equals and capable of mutual correction in Christ. So us otherwise from the Catholic Bible.


1,487 posted on 01/15/2012 8:40:16 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: caww
" ... but a prudent man overlooks an insult."

Nor does a prudent man slander and lie about the Mother of God and then counsel those who defend her to be gracious and prudent.

1,488 posted on 01/15/2012 8:41:31 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Where in the Catholic bible does it say that Mary is the mother of God? We only know it says she is the mother of Jesus, the physical form only.

Show me otherwise and I’ll comment further.


1,489 posted on 01/15/2012 8:42:11 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Rashputin

I wasn’t talking with you.


1,490 posted on 01/15/2012 9:10:57 PM PST by caww
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Nice try...not taking the bait.


1,491 posted on 01/15/2012 9:17:21 PM PST by caww
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To: daniel1212
And which are seeing the greatest loss of members.

I have family members in the south that just went thru a split in their church over liberal ideas festering there...... those who opposed left and began their own church...only to find their numbers had been infilitrated who outed the very pastor who had made the transition with them. It was an ugly affair all around. They left the church entirely then.

Just as with some catholics I think the Lord is doing some heavy sifting....and true believers won't necessarily be the ones remaining in the church they're accustomed to attending. Sad to see this happening and yet we are told this would come in the institutionalized churches.....the question remains for many where to go as there apppears to be less and less possibilites of finding a church that isn't liberal, or in the thros of.

1,492 posted on 01/15/2012 9:28:03 PM PST by caww
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To: anglian
The church is not a literal or physical building, but it is a spiritual building made up of those who have been quickened (made alive) in Christ (Eph. 2:5). The word "church" as it is used in the New Testament always means "an assembly, a company of people gathered together for a certain purpose." The word "church" is the translation of the Greek word EKKLĒSIA which is really made up of two Greek words: 1) EK which means "out, out of " and 2) KLĒSIS which means "a calling" (from the verb KALEŌ which means "to call"). If we put these two meanings together we have "a calling out." Therefore the term "church" (EKKLĒSIA) means "an assembly of called-out ones, a called-out assembly." SPIRITUAL ROCK

Amen!

I Peter 2:5 "you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."

1,493 posted on 01/15/2012 9:45:56 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: MarkBsnr

It would appear the Lord thought you were deserving of.....Nice.

But I did laugh outloud about the bikini part...funny!


1,494 posted on 01/15/2012 9:48:21 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

The reason liberal churches do not see splits, unless something really radical takes place, is because they see so little to stand for in the first place. Or their particular church is like a god; their real source of security and ultimate object of affection.

Division because of Truth is better than unity without it or in error, though you have to determine what the line will be btwn tolerance and compromise.

What you describe is sad and damnable, but “the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? “ (1 Peter 4:17)

And part of the reason for splits is due to our superficiality and carnality. In these latter days of the latter days we needs to get ready to move out of our comfort zone Christianity and live by faith, even if it means meeting in the forest with no published schedule, and getting killed for witnessing about Christ and standing for righteousness, not advertising our church.


1,495 posted on 01/15/2012 9:49:27 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: caww

So what.


1,496 posted on 01/15/2012 9:54:52 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: daniel1212

links saying page doesn’t exist...tried pope.com..without success.


1,497 posted on 01/15/2012 9:57:47 PM PST by caww
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To: Rashputin

:)


1,498 posted on 01/15/2012 9:58:37 PM PST by caww
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To: MarkBsnr
At least they were opposed??? By killing them? Nowhere is the directive given to do that. Put the axe down. The damage that is done with that method is beyond comprehension.

Vengeance is the Lord's. To try to take it for him, makes one both a murderer, and a thief.

One cannot covert dead bodies. But if one's aim is to let all here know about the raw hatred, and remind us all of the implicit threat of violence to those who dare resist the papists, then I must say you are doing a fine job.

The sneering, snarling hatreds have been re-invigorated in the last few months. One need not a particular gifting in the discernment of spirits, to recognize what spirits are behind the carnality.

1,499 posted on 01/15/2012 10:00:45 PM PST by BlueDragon (on'a $10 horse an' a $40 saddle I'm going up the trail with them longhorn cattle c'm uh ty-yi-yipy-)
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To: daniel1212

IM factor?


1,500 posted on 01/15/2012 10:01:36 PM PST by caww
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