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Mary: Mother of God?
What Does the Bible say? ^ | 01/11/2012 | Bro. Lev Humphries,

Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7

Mary: Mother of God?

This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."

This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.

Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?

The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.

Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."

The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".

This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."

It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: blessedvirginmary; calvinismisdead; divinity; humanity; ignoranceisbliss; mariolatry; mary; motherofgod; nestorianheresy; nestorians; perpetualvirginity; theotokos
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To: caww

Strange. Works for me. http://www.the-pope.com/wvat2tec.html


1,501 posted on 01/15/2012 10:03:44 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: caww

Sorry. Infallible Magisterium. Or Assuredly Infallible Magisterium (AIM)


1,502 posted on 01/15/2012 10:06:07 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: daniel1212
IOW, you still strongly believe that it's just fine for folks to deny what is clearly written in Scripture, call Christ a liar, and and slander every Catholic now alive and who has ever lived, as long as they claim to be personally infallible. Thanks for the clarification.
1,503 posted on 01/15/2012 10:25:33 PM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: daniel1212
The reason liberal churches do not see splits, unless something really radical takes place, is because they see so little to stand for in the first place. Or their particular church is like a god; their real source of security and ultimate object of affection.

There's something to that Daniel as I've seen and been in those very churches. All the makeup is there but lacks the Spirit of Christ among. For more conservative individuals some of the Evangelical churches go to the other extremes...

"Division because of truth is better than unity without it or in error"....you said that right!

I was in an Evangelical Free church for sometime as the Pastors teachings were so rich...everybody drew closer to Christ and understood more about Him for that.....Wonderful to be among those of like hearts and minds seeking more of the Lord..... Several Pastors would sit in on his bible studies for he was always open to being challenged and wanted participation.....once you have rich teachings among those who have depth of impute of their own, all students of God's word, well you can hardly explain how electrical the atmosphere...questions, opinions, scriptures abound...and a real effort to seek the truth and understanding it. And it is rare I have seen this since.

Yes, judgment has begun at the house of God....while the worldly churches clamor for unity....the Lord appears to be separating the Sheep from the goats in a way.

I have understood the true church will eventually go underground...perhaps as the churches become more secularized we'll see more people meeting in homes. I went to one of these but was not impressed...in fact challenged the "leader" because he was more like a cult leader...I think he was looking of his own following. I've been living by faith for quite some time and not always in my comfort zone....you learn how it is rather than just peoples opinions when it comes to which churches are which....but yes, I suspect things are going to become uncertain for many who wouldn't imagine not having a church building to worship in.

1,504 posted on 01/15/2012 10:28:56 PM PST by caww
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To: daniel1212

Ok...got it...now to read...


1,505 posted on 01/15/2012 10:31:48 PM PST by caww
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To: daniel1212

I thought maybe...but am still getting accustomed to abbreviations...there are many on FR and not always as I think.


1,506 posted on 01/15/2012 10:34:34 PM PST by caww
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To: ConservativeMind
I’d like to have you show where the Pope was ever mentioned in the Catholic’s own version of the Bible. If you can, then I’ll speak further.

Until you can show us Sola Scriptura in the Bible, you should speak no further.

There is no “Pope” in the Bible

There is no "Trinity" in the Bible, either. There is no table of contents for your Bible specified in Scripture. But you still use a Bible.

1,507 posted on 01/15/2012 10:51:06 PM PST by Al Hitan (Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.)
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To: aruanan

I prefer to depend on what God says in his word..for he is dependable and wants us to know the truth....and he has not yet failed me.... Though man can offer a challenge with his imput...if it doesn’t square with the scriptures then it’s simply another “article”.


1,508 posted on 01/15/2012 11:04:42 PM PST by caww
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To: aruanan

I prefer to depend on what God says in his word..for he is dependable and wants us to know the truth....and he has not yet failed me.... Though man can offer a challenge with his imput...if it doesn’t square with the scriptures then it’s simply another “article”.


1,509 posted on 01/15/2012 11:05:04 PM PST by caww
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But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. (Galatians 1:8-10)

A well documented book by Dr Cathy Burns reveals that Billy Graham removed the warnings concerning http://tinyurl.com/8xnmrvl


1,510 posted on 01/15/2012 11:21:02 PM PST by anglian
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To: daniel1212; caww
"The reason liberal churches do not see splits, unless something really radical takes place, is because they see so little to stand for in the first place. Or their particular church is like a god; their real source of security and ultimate object of affection."

You are,sadly,spot on.I've seen this first hand here in Oz.The church I attended had the issue of homosexuality come up in a big way,Many meetings were held,conferences galore etc etc.One night a moderator came to our church to discuss the issue with a few of us who had concerns.When the meeting started we opened our Bibles and the first thing spoken by said moderator was "if this is going to turn into a bible study there is no point me being here".

It was then we realized that in spite of all the talk we were not of one accord after all.We were not of one mind.

As I've said here before,in the beginning I read the bible as an atheist and came to believe through that reading (and a very very good friend who took great delight in nudging me at every opportunity)so to come to a church meeting and see an almost open disdain for trying to inject the Word of God into our deliberations was mortifying.

I find myself more in accord with some believers here than I did with the people I sat next to in the pews.

I'm very thankfull for much of what's posted here.Much meat in due season!I'm chewing for all I'm worth.

God bless

1,511 posted on 01/16/2012 12:27:45 AM PST by mitch5501 (My guitar wants to kill your momma!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


1,512 posted on 01/16/2012 2:18:05 AM PST by narses
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To: mitch5501

MAkes one wonder about the membership that “many meetings” were even necessary over such a clear topic....just shows the condition of the church is not healthy to say the least...and likely loaded with the liberal mindset or it wouldn’t have become an issue needing conferences and meetings.

Glad you caught on to it.

My conversion was a result of beginning to read the Bible ....powerful words!


1,513 posted on 01/16/2012 4:13:02 AM PST by caww
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To: anglian

huh?...that link has some crude/bizarre writings in it.


1,514 posted on 01/16/2012 4:17:26 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

I didn’t look into the link. I came across it by searching for a copy of the Halley’s Bible Handbook. I go have a look.


1,515 posted on 01/16/2012 4:29:47 AM PST by anglian
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To: anglian

Ok....I generally look at other articles or “about us” on sites linked. But the scripture given was spot on of course!


1,516 posted on 01/16/2012 4:39:27 AM PST by caww
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To: Rashputin
IOW, you still strongly believe that it's just fine for folks to deny what is clearly written in Scripture, call Christ a liar, and and slander every Catholic now alive and who has ever lived, as long as they claim to be personally infallible. Thanks for the clarification.

That is a very revealing example of private interpretation, or "wresting," while ostensibly being opposed to such. A clarification indeed.

1,517 posted on 01/16/2012 4:41:10 AM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: caww

Well, the early church faced persecution often, and the Roman gov. makes ours seems rather moral by comparison. Nero had incest with his mom, killed his wife, castrated a boy and married him. And the liberals are still trying to blame the Christians for the fall of Rome. But you do not read much about the political circumstances surrounding the church in the Scriptures, because their affections were to be on things above, and their security in Christ.

“For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance. “ (Hebrews 10:34)


1,518 posted on 01/16/2012 4:49:28 AM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: mitch5501

We are seeing Romans 1 progressively taking place. You might be helped by these:

http://homosexvsthebible.wikia.com/wiki/Romans_1

http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Homosex_versus_the_Bible.html

http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html


1,519 posted on 01/16/2012 4:57:59 AM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: caww

My wife does occasionally lurk. I showed her the entry. I mean it; she is a better (hu)man than I am, Gunga Din.


1,520 posted on 01/16/2012 6:46:35 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: BlueDragon
At least they were opposed??? By killing them? Nowhere is the directive given to do that. Put the axe down. The damage that is done with that method is beyond comprehension. Vengeance is the Lord's. To try to take it for him, makes one both a murderer, and a thief. One cannot covert dead bodies. But if one's aim is to let all here know about the raw hatred, and remind us all of the implicit threat of violence to those who dare resist the papists, then I must say you are doing a fine job.

I am grateful for the compliment. Heretics, no matter how well intentioned will be Judged to hell. Scripture is clear.

The sneering, snarling hatreds have been re-invigorated in the last few months. One need not a particular gifting in the discernment of spirits, to recognize what spirits are behind the carnality.

Very good. I believe that Asmodeus, one of the princes of hell, was the principal demon behind the Reformation. Since nothing of the netherworld is worth anything over time but only for the moment, it is unraveling as the 'churches' of the Reformation show. I will remind you too, of the Popes versus the various televangelists, their various demeanours.

There is only one true God.

Peter is the apprentice of Jesus.

The Pope prays to God.

The children of the Reformation pray on peoples' souls.


1,521 posted on 01/16/2012 7:11:37 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: caww
I have great concerns for those who get "caught up" in this Maryology...even in the least bit. It always appears to lead people away from Christ and she becomes central...if He is spoken of it's generally after the fact as if speaking His name sanctions these acts of worhip, or adoration, or what ever they choose to call it.

You never see Jesus and his mother Mary...

It's always, Mary the Mother of God and her Son...

1,523 posted on 01/16/2012 7:21:36 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
that’s ok, the devil has been trying to destroy the Church for 2,000 years, unfortunately, the Holy Spirit won’t let him!

The Devil does not want to destroy your religion...But God will handle it as reported in Revelation 17...

1,524 posted on 01/16/2012 7:23:49 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
isn’t it interesting that only non-Catholics say Catholics worship Mary?

That's because it doesn't matter what name you put on it...We know worship when we see it...

1,525 posted on 01/16/2012 7:29:24 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: CynicalBear

***“became the new Israel” is NOT saying they “joined” Israel.***

You are right, it’s not because that is not what Scripture says, it ways “grafted on” and “adopted” .

It is a new creation, born out of the new covenant, which is Jesus.


1,527 posted on 01/16/2012 7:38:00 AM PST by Jvette
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To: smvoice

LOL, admit it.

Peter did NOT stay in Jerusalem, did he?

And, why would Jesus send Peter to Cornelius, why Peter and not Paul?


1,528 posted on 01/16/2012 7:43:21 AM PST by Jvette
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To: MarkBsnr; Cronos

Ping


1,529 posted on 01/16/2012 7:48:06 AM PST by aruanan
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To: smvoice

Why didn’t God pour out His wrath on the nation at that point?

What happened to Jerusalem in 70AD?

And what has NOT happened in Jerusalem since that time?

And what happened to the nation Israel since?

Jerusalem, Israel, they are a microcosm of first, the promises and covenants of God with His people. Second, we can look to them to see what is in store for us if we, like they, reject God’s covenant.


1,530 posted on 01/16/2012 7:54:20 AM PST by Jvette
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To: MarkBsnr

Whatever...


1,531 posted on 01/16/2012 7:55:18 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: aruanan

Sea of confusion.


1,533 posted on 01/16/2012 8:00:54 AM PST by Jvette
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To: aruanan
....while Roman Catholic apologist often attack evangelicals based upon their reliance upon fallible human reasoning, however prayerful — an infirmity which the supreme magisterium of Rome asserts they are immune from when speaking in accordance with their infallibly-defined criteria — .....yet the Catholic himself makes a fallible decision to submit to Rome,..... which use of 'fallible human reasoning' he also engages in when interpreting what Rome has taught, including which teachings are indeed infallible in which was are not,.... in which he cannot be absolutely sure.

And here's the truly funny thing: Person A believes that Person B, because of his position in an apostolic succession going back to Jesus and his charge to his apostles, can speak infallibly on matters of faith and doctrine (though it's happened only twice since the 19th century). Person C scoffs and says that's an example of "fallible human reasoning" while granting to himself, supposedly through the guidance of God's Spirit that he denies to Person B, an interpretation of both scripture and God's will that he, Person C, regards to be at least if not more accurate than that promulgated by Person B and believed by Person A. Just who is being the more credulous?

When the whole point of things is to promote the religion of the self, why then, anything goes.

1,534 posted on 01/16/2012 8:03:03 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: caww

Exactly which of the many titles belong to Christ?

Queen of Angels? Queen of Heaven? Mystical Rose?

Really? LOL


1,535 posted on 01/16/2012 8:05:41 AM PST by Jvette
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To: Jvette

Acts, Chapter 9 will tell you why GOd did not pour out His wrath on the Nation at that point. Romans through Philemon will tell you why God did not pour out His wrath on the nation at that time.


1,536 posted on 01/16/2012 8:06:57 AM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: MarkBsnr

It’s your story...Tell it any way you want...


1,537 posted on 01/16/2012 8:06:57 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: smvoice

As usual, deflect, dodge and produce a rabbit you want me to chase rather than just answering my questions.


1,539 posted on 01/16/2012 8:18:09 AM PST by Jvette
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To: MarkBsnr

Good post although we RC’s have to be careful. Take a look at the Fr. Corapi controversy. Have said that, at least Fr. Corapi had to submit to the authority of the Church. To whom does Osteen or Swaggart submit?


1,540 posted on 01/16/2012 8:21:55 AM PST by phil413
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To: phil413
Good post although we RC’s have to be careful. Take a look at the Fr. Corapi controversy. Have said that, at least Fr. Corapi had to submit to the authority of the Church. To whom does Osteen or Swaggart submit?


1,541 posted on 01/16/2012 8:26:54 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Jvette
>>You are right, it’s not because that is not what Scripture says,<<

But “became” as in replacing is what the CC is saying.

1,542 posted on 01/16/2012 8:56:20 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Iscool
I've already been programmed by the CC....

So it seems.


1,543 posted on 01/16/2012 10:32:07 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

In fairness the Protestants that I know outside of this forum (and probably many here) reject the Prosperity Gospel with strong condemnation.


1,544 posted on 01/16/2012 11:17:11 AM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: smvoice
Ah, I thought you said she could have said “no”! Did I misread your post?

400 posts and three days later and you still don't have an answer to your question.

Boy, there's a lot of catching up to do.......

1,545 posted on 01/16/2012 11:24:05 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: narses
Luther started out as a priest. It took him awhile to extricate himself from all the blasphemous hyperbole the RCC foisted on him.

Thank God he did.

But regardless of adjectives, neither Luther nor Calvin attributed to Mary any of the sacrilegious, supernatural powers the RCC cons the world with today.

1,546 posted on 01/16/2012 11:34:11 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ...

If you’re too lazy to format it, I’m too lazy to read it.


1,547 posted on 01/16/2012 11:36:41 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: lastchance
In fairness the Protestants that I know outside of this forum (and probably many here) reject the Prosperity Gospel with strong condemnation.

As do the ones that I associate with.

However, there is yet another upstart church in the area that is yet again renting the elementary school gym on Sundays and setting up 'church' on Sundays. Their gimmick is a large flat screen TV to be given away each week.

The last one here that set up like that was so successful that they bought a small department store to set up their pizza parlour, coffee shop, meeting area, and if necessary, worship center.

1,548 posted on 01/16/2012 11:37:14 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Al Hitan; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ..
Jesus is male, just as was Peter. Petra has female gender. You might want to rethink Jesus as Petra.

In that case Catholics might want to rethink *petra* as meaning Perter as well, since last I recall, Peter was a man.

1,549 posted on 01/16/2012 11:41:20 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Tramonto

Here is an excellent resource for doing word studies of Scripture.

http://biblos.com/

You can follow links to the Greek and then a Strong’s Concordance.


1,550 posted on 01/16/2012 11:43:56 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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