Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
Mary: Mother of God?
This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."
This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.
Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?
The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.
Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."
The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."
The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".
This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."
It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.
Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, “I never knew you” from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.
Granted I do not have the 'catholic' original Latin (cough cough) writing of this 'sola scripture', so old King James will have to suffice. This 'sola scripture' you reference comes in chapter 7 of Matthew which begins with the 'command' of judge not lest ye be judged... follows with verse 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the *law* and the prophets. (Notice Christ Himself made the writings of the prophets one and the same as the 'Gospel'. Imagine that from Moses to Malachi the prophets, are the 'Gospel'.
Then verse 15 Christ WARNS Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves..... (I am not going to type the whole chapter but one 'sola scripture' does NOT stand on its own.)
verse 21 Not every on that saith unto Me, 'Lord, Lord', shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful *WORKS*?
verse 23 the 'sola scripture' referenced And then will I profess unto them, 'I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.'
SO it does not FIT the notion that the 'deity' of Christ was the subject or the object of cause for being told to 'depart from Me, as these all claimed to be doing the 'Lord's works'.
So, you want to split hairs over how Jesus Christ will deny that He knows someone after they speak against the Holy Ghost by saying the Holy Ghost did not do what Christ promised the Holy Ghost would do? How typical indeed of all those who worship The Most Holy Self
It's straight foward:
James said, “... not by faith only”.
Anyone who thinks James is wrong, that James lied or that James was misquoted, is saying that the Holy Spirit did not lead James or did not oversee and ensure the Truth of the Scriptures.
Anyone who says the Holy Spirit did not guide the Apostles and insure that the Scriptures are not in error is calling Jesus Christ a liar.
Anyone who calls Jesus Christ a liar is denying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God from God, incapable of telling a lie. Obviously, when someone insists that a particular thing that Christ promised is a lie, they are calling Christ a liar whether they realize that or not.
When someone goes even further and blatantly calls Christ Himself a liar by denying that He is present in the bread and wine when we remember Him, they are deliberately denying the deity of Christ by directly calling Christ a liar.
For those who claim to have once been Catholic but obviously have no knowledge of what the Catholic Church really teaches and want to split haris over "anathema":
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid:
Titus 3:11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.
Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.
I find it most helpful to know the 'subject' and to whom, when, where, what, and why Christ instructed... That means who was Christ talking to when He gave this instruction? Well, according to verse 24 of Matthew 12 the Pharisees heard and saw the 'WORKS' of Christ and said, "This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebus the prince of the devils." Christ KNEW their thoughts and said unto them..... again I can only guess the Catholic Bible has the rest of the verses which leads up to Christ telling them and us what about a 'specific' time appointed wherein those that 'refuse' to allow the Holy Spirit to speak is the unpardonable sin. I am guessing that I will be required to point to this pronouncement, so it is found in Mark 13:11 and this is the only unpardonable sin, to refuse the Holy Spirit to speak when delivered up before the religious authorities.
So, you want to split hairs over how Jesus Christ will deny that He knows someone after they speak against the Holy Ghost by saying the Holy Ghost did not do what Christ promised the Holy Ghost would do? How typical indeed of all those who worship The Most Holy Self
IF quoting Christ is now accused as hair splitting then so be it, I am NOT intimitated by traditions of man that take Scripture and cut keys to open doors of their doctrines. I added nothing nor took away to the WORD Christ spoke in regard to those He would be telling to get lost because they made up their own doctrines.
It's straight foward: James said, “... not by faith only”. Anyone who thinks James is wrong, that James lied or that James was misquoted, is saying that the Holy Spirit did not lead James or did not oversee and ensure the Truth of the Scriptures. Anyone who says the Holy Spirit did not guide the Apostles and insure that the Scriptures are not in error is calling Jesus Christ a liar. Anyone who calls Jesus Christ a liar is denying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God from God, incapable of telling a lie. Obviously, when someone insists that a particular thing that Christ promised is a lie, they are calling Christ a liar whether they realize that or not. When someone goes even further and blatantly calls Christ Himself a liar by denying that He is present in the bread and wine when we remember Him, they are deliberately denying the deity of Christ by directly calling Christ a liar. For those who claim to have once been Catholic but obviously have no knowledge of what the Catholic Church really teaches and want to split haris over "anathema": Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain. Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Titus 3:11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment. Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God. So, you want to split hairs over how Jesus Christ will deny that He knows someone after they speak against the Holy Ghost by saying the Holy Ghost did not do what Christ promised the Holy Ghost would do? How typical indeed of all those who worship The Most Holy Self It's straight foward: James said, “... not by faith only”. Anyone who thinks James is wrong, that James lied or that James was misquoted, is saying that the Holy Spirit did not lead James or did not oversee and ensure the Truth of the Scriptures. Anyone who says the Holy Spirit did not guide the Apostles and insure that the Scriptures are not in error is calling Jesus Christ a liar. Anyone who calls Jesus Christ a liar is denying that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God from God, incapable of telling a lie. Obviously, when someone insists that a particular thing that Christ promised is a lie, they are calling Christ a liar whether they realize that or not. When someone goes even further and blatantly calls Christ Himself a liar by denying that He is present in the bread and wine when we remember Him, they are deliberately denying the deity of Christ by directly calling Christ a liar. For those who claim to have once been Catholic but obviously have no knowledge of what the Catholic Church really teaches and want to split haris over "anathema": Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain. Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Titus 3:11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment. Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.
I do NOT disagree with what James wrote. Our 'works' are what clothes us 'Spiritually' speaking, when we return to the Maker that sent us to take this flesh journey and our works represents the depth/breath of faith.
Ah, fortunately for all God's children only the Father will judge. AND an earthly church has NO power to save or judge, they are suppose to 'feed MY sheep', and Christ was NOT promoting 'soup kitchens', He was speaking about 'food' for the soul.
Sometimes it is impossible to figure out who or what is the object of worship, a geographical location, a church, a statue, or some man's pious stature. Only God saves, and He said that it would be through 'belief' in His only begotten Son. The Holy Spirit is our Comforter given us until the return of our Lord and Saviour. AND the Holy Spirit is NOT going to do anything that goes against what is Written.
Christ was a 'protestant' first, as it was the 'religious' authority that wanted His head for upsetting their treasury.
Okay pay attention, I am quoting PROTESTANTS, your own people. Why are they wrong and your right? And if they are wrong about this what else might they be wrong about?
these are people that actually studied the Greek and have a piece of paper that says they are smart.
Right. People with a BS, MS, and a Piled higher and Deeper.
Once again these are PRTESTANTS, I am only quoting people that you would normally agree with. I am so glad that you are showing your true colors.
we cast ourselves into your arms
1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. (When did we need to replace God with Mary?) Those who continue to deny the Christ can fool themselves however they like.
confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.
Hebrews 4:15-16 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (once again Catholics replacing Christ with Mary) Those who continue to deny Christ can fool themselves however they like
O crystal fountain of faith
Romans 12:3 according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. or "a measure of faith." (but Mary is the “fountain of faith” for Catholics) Those who continue to deny Christ can fool themselves however they like but..
Lily of all holiness
1 Samuel 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. (for Catholics however, “all holiness” is given to Mary) Those who continue to deny Christ can fool themselves however they like but…
Conqueress of evil and death
Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. (but Catholics claim it was Mary who conquered death) Those who continue to deny Christ can fool themselves however they like but…
Convert the wicked
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; (Catholics have even replaced the Holy Spirit with Mary) Those who continue to deny Christ can fool themselves however they like but…
Statement by catholic Bishop Liqouri “.......We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus.....” She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help”
Those who continue to deny Christ can fool themselves however they like but …
Matthew 7:23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.
It’s time to change your battery. Did the vatican come out with an infallible one yet for their robots?
Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.
The god of catholicsm is their goddess Mary.
Excerpts from the prayer by Pope Pius XII to Mary:
She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help”
We cast ourselves into your arms
Confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.
O crystal fountain of faith
Lily of all holiness
Conqueress of evil and death
Their pope JP II’s personal motto, “Totus tuus sum, Maria,” or “I am all yours, Mary”.
The Vatican/RCC is satan’s empire.The greatest method of deception is to counterfeit. And the master of counterfeit and deception is Satan.
Isaiah 14: 14 tells of Satan’s ultimate counterfeit: “. . . I will BE LIKE the most High.”
Is12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Is13: For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Is14: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Studying Greek or anything else doesn't make you smart...It makes you more educated...And if you are smart from the get-go, you will be better at getting educated...
Cherry picking a few words out of one verse is a dangerous route to go for correct Bible interpretation.
Saying that salvation is by works contradicts chapters of verses that say otherwise. It's denying everything Paul wrote. Same for what Peter said in his preaching in Acts.
Jesus Himself said that all we had to do was believe to be saved. Jesus said that to do the work of God who sent Him is to believe in the one He sent (Jesus). Those verses have been provided upthread.
So the charge of calling Jesus a liar can go both ways. It's not wise to lob that charge in the first place if all you're working on is four cherry picked words.
Galatians 3 1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
I believe that...I believe Jesus wanted James to write that...And I also believe
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Why don't you ever quote that verse??? Can't deal with it??? You can't reconcile that verse along with the verses in James???
When someone goes even further and blatantly calls Christ Himself a liar by denying that He is present in the bread and wine when we remember Him, they are deliberately denying the deity of Christ by directly calling Christ a liar.
Hardly...We are calling your religion a liar...That cracker that you bow down to is NOT deity...Most Catholics don't even believe that nonsense...
Don't accept the extremely clear meaning of James 2:24 and, " ... not by faith only"?
Titus 3:9but avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid:
Titus 3:11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.
Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.
IF one ‘believes’ they will demonstrate that in doing/working the will of the Heavenly Father. It is not what we do/work that ‘saves’ us, but it is what we do/work that demonstrates our faith that clothes us when we return to the Maker.
Faith is demonstrated by works and is NOT what ‘saves’. Not one item of our flesh world is going with us when we return to the Maker. Everyone has the same opportunity to be judged upon what they did to demonstrate they believed.
Abraham was offered ‘salvation’ while Christ was in the tomb, so that would make him a Christian before even those that ‘believed’ upon Christ after the resurrection.
Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
So the Protestant ministers Scholars, are they rught or wrong about their interpretation of Petera vs Petros? If you feel they are wrong why is your interpretation better?
Do you have a source for this? And if they don't beleive it why would they call themselves Catholic?
Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.
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