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Mary: Mother of God?
What Does the Bible say? ^ | 01/11/2012 | Bro. Lev Humphries,

Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7

Mary: Mother of God?

This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."

This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.

Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?

The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.

Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."

The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".

This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."

It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Theology
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It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church.
1 posted on 01/11/2012 7:35:07 PM PST by RnMomof7
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For a more open discussion


2 posted on 01/11/2012 7:36:14 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Oh, give it a rest.


3 posted on 01/11/2012 7:39:14 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: RnMomof7

Some day, I pray, that you will know who Mary is. She’ll introduce you to her son Jesus. Her “yes” to the Holy Spirit changed everything. There is no praise unworthy of Our Blessed Mother.


4 posted on 01/11/2012 7:41:37 PM PST by conservativguy99
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To: RnMomof7
You can't get any clearer than this:

"By this is the spirit of God known. Every spirit which confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God: And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world" [1 John 4: 2-3]

This faulty theology would split Our Lord into a human person and a divine person, when He is ONE person with a human nature and a divine nature. In other words, it "dissolveth Jesus."

The title Theotokos or "Mother of God" acknowledges that Mary gave birth to a PERSON, not a nature.

5 posted on 01/11/2012 7:41:54 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: RnMomof7
Well, there's always Unitarianism...
6 posted on 01/11/2012 7:41:54 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: RnMomof7

Some day, I pray, that you will know who Mary is. She’ll introduce you to her son Jesus. Her “yes” to the Holy Spirit changed everything. There is no praise unworthy of Our Blessed Mother.


7 posted on 01/11/2012 7:41:54 PM PST by conservativguy99
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To: RnMomof7

agreed


8 posted on 01/11/2012 7:46:27 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: RnMomof7

My wife and I each went to catholic school for 12 years. In looking back at all this Mary silliness we are embarssed for you. “Immaculate Conception - pul-lease! No disespect, but come on! Sheesh.


9 posted on 01/11/2012 7:49:21 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: RnMomof7

If Jesus was God in the flesh as the Bible says, then yes...Mary was the earthly “Mother” of God.

Read the Bible a little closer.


10 posted on 01/11/2012 7:52:24 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: ExtremeUnction; verga; thesaleboat; Sick of Lefties; Chainmail; StrongandPround; lilyramone; ...

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


11 posted on 01/11/2012 7:52:38 PM PST by narses
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To: RnMomof7

>> “Mary: Mother of God?” <<

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Obviously not.

Mary had absolutely nothing to do with Christ’s God-ness; that was in his spirit, not his body. None of his brothers and sisters were gods.


12 posted on 01/11/2012 7:53:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: RnMomof7

Seriously uninformed commentary!

Of course Mary is the Mother of God.
The doctrine that Christ was simultaneously God and Man is well established in Christianity.
To attempt to assert that Mary is only the mother of only “the Man Part” is ludicrous.
Just as the Trinity is a mystery we accept on faith and cannot explain in human terms, the same is true of the simultaneity of Christ being both God and Man, and Mary’s role as mother of that same Christ.


13 posted on 01/11/2012 7:55:21 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: conservativguy99; RnMomof7

>> “Some day, I pray, that you will know who Mary is. She’ll introduce you to her son Jesus.” <<

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RnMomof7 has already met Jesus; his Father introduced her to him.

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14 posted on 01/11/2012 7:56:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: RnMomof7

The title of the source article, “What Does the Bible Say?”, will no doubt be given a thorough beating as it appears what the Bible says will always take second or third place to the traditions and writings of so called “Church fathers”.

Toss in reinventing the meaning of common words and the fall back position of “It’s all a mystery” and you have the makings of a long and salty thread.

But I keep hoping to be surprised. Cheers!


15 posted on 01/11/2012 7:56:53 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: editor-surveyor

” None of his brothers and sisters were gods.”

True!

He didn’t have any!


16 posted on 01/11/2012 7:59:49 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: RnMomof7; rzman21; Cronos; Mr Rogers; metmom; smvoice

” Jesus was not human. “

so Jesus was not human? it’s amazing, that attacks on the Church and the historical, biblical, orthodox Faith always leads to attacks on Jesus Christ Himself.

if Jesus wasn’t human, we are all still dead in our sins and He didn’t really suffer and shed His blood on the Cross.

unbelievable someone that claims to be a Christian could post such heresy.


17 posted on 01/11/2012 7:59:59 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: editor-surveyor

editor-surveyor wrote:
>> “Mary: Mother of God?” <<

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Obviously not.

Mary had absolutely nothing to do with Christ’s God-ness; that was in his spirit, not his body. None of his brothers and sisters were gods.

The Nestorian Controversy

Nestorius (d. ca. 451 A.D.) became the bishop of Constantinople in 428 A.D. Nestorius’ view of the person of Christ became known as Nestorianism, or the Logos-Anthropos model of Christology, the second major heresy that faced the theologians. Nestorius effectively taught that there were two Christs. Christ was both fully human and fully divine, but these two natures were in no way united, though they co-existed in a close moral union.14 He greatly objected to referring to Mary as “mother of God,” or theotokos, because humans must remain entirely separate from the divine. Nestorius had correctly affirmed the dual nature of Christ, but offered a disunited person that was unacceptable to orthodoxy.

Cyril of Alexandria was the primary opponent of Nestorius, though his reasons were a mix of the political and the theological. He was a faithful defender of the unity of Christ’s natures, with an emphasis on His divinity. A strong advocate of Alexandrine Christology, he was repulsed by the fragmented Christ of Nestorius. Additionally, a potential condemnation of Nestorius would reaffirm the authority of the Alexandrian church over Constantinople. Rome traditionally favored Alexandria over Constantinople (due to Constantinople claiming equal authority with Rome), and Nestorius treated the Pelagians lightly, a heresy of primary importance to Rome. If the support of Rome was not enough to have Nestorius condemned, Cyril was in control of a great deal of gold, and with it some other powerful authorities supported him.15

Cyril and Nestorius exchanged heated letters pronouncing anathemas against one another, and though Nestorius was condemned at the Roman Synod of 430, the Emperor Valentinian III was forced to call a general council at Ephesus in 431 to resolve the matter. Celestine, the bishop of Rome, immediately condemned Nestorius, who was not present. Four days later Nestorius arrived with John, the bishop of Antioch, who convened their own council and condemned Cyril. But the emporer sided with Cyril and Celestine, and Nestorius was sent away to a monastery in Antioch.

From http://www.basictheology.com/articles/PersonofChrist_Early/full/


18 posted on 01/11/2012 8:02:10 PM PST by narses
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To: Shadowstrike

>> “Read the Bible a little closer” <<

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Take your own advice!

Mother of God was Istar’s title 3500 years before the catholics tried to hang that blasphemous handle on Mary.
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19 posted on 01/11/2012 8:02:10 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Amen !!!


20 posted on 01/11/2012 8:02:13 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

This is not a false doctrine. Have you read the book of Luke?

“Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee.”

Now why would the Archangel address Mary in that way?


21 posted on 01/11/2012 8:05:40 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: editor-surveyor

I read mine every day.

I respect, not worship Mary, because God himself chose her.

And, I don’t argue with God.


22 posted on 01/11/2012 8:06:07 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

????


23 posted on 01/11/2012 8:06:52 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: All
For the truth:

Do a virgin birth and perfect knowledge make Jesus less human? Or Mary less a mother? [Ecumenical]
Newman about Mary, Mother of God [Catholic Caucus]
How could Mary be the Mother of God?
Mary, the Mother of God (a defense)
Calling Mary “Mother of God” Tells Us Who Jesus Is
Mary, Motherhood, and the Home BY Archbishop Fulton Sheen
On Mary, Mother of Priests

Mary: Holy Mother
Mary: Mother of Divine Life: Model of Pro-life Apostles [Catholic Caucus]
The Mother of God [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
The Mother of God calls us to be 'Bearers of God'
HE INCREASES AND SHE DECREASES [Mary, Mother of God]
Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God - Mary, Full of Grace
Happy Mother's Day to Mary - the Mother of God
Catholic beliefs about Mary, the Mother of God
Mary, Mother of God
The Early Church Fathers on The Mother of God - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

Mary, Mother of God
Mary in Feminist Theology: Mother of God or Domesticated Goddess?
Mary: True Mother of God
Feast of Mary, Mother of God (not a Holy Day of Obligation this year)
MARIAN DEVOTION - Akathist Hymn to the Mother of God
Mother of God
Virgin Mother of God
A Homily on the Dormition of Our Supremely Pure Lady Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary
The Mother of the Son: The Case for Marian Devotion
Mary: True Mother of God

24 posted on 01/11/2012 8:07:08 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ExtremeUnction

Mary silliness?

I don’t think so. She is the Mother of the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.

Better take those words back.


25 posted on 01/11/2012 8:09:02 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7

Excellent article. Thanks for posting it.


26 posted on 01/11/2012 8:09:45 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: RnMomof7

“Bother Lev” needs to find a Bible and read the Magnificat in the first chapter of the Gospel of Luke.


27 posted on 01/11/2012 8:10:28 PM PST by iowamark
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To: editor-surveyor

Christians believe Jesus is God.
Christians believe Mary gave birth to Jesus.
Christians believe there is only one Jesus.
Christians believe Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Christians believe Jesus is God.
Christians believe Jesus is God.
Christians believe Mary is the Mother of God.
Christians believe Jesus is God.
Christians believe there is only one Jesus.
Christians believe Mary is the mother of Jesus.

Muslims don’t believe Jesus is God.
Muslims don’t believe Jesus is God.
Muslims don’t believe Mary is the Mother of God.


28 posted on 01/11/2012 8:10:34 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Pyro7480; RnMomof7

>> “The title Theotokos or “Mother of God” acknowledges that Mary gave birth to a PERSON, not a nature.” <<

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There’s a big problem for that particular blasphemy:

That “Person” was already in existence millenia before Mary was born, by his own testimony:

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
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29 posted on 01/11/2012 8:10:51 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: RnMomof7

did you read the article before you posted it?


30 posted on 01/11/2012 8:11:50 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: conservativguy99

Like was stated in the article. The Mary of the Bible is not the Mary worshiped by Catholics.


31 posted on 01/11/2012 8:12:21 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: editor-surveyor; RnMomof7

so you agree with Joseph Smith that the Church was apostate in 431ad?


32 posted on 01/11/2012 8:13:46 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

You can substitute the word ‘pagans’ for ‘christians’ in the statement “Christians believe Mary is the Mother of God” to make it more factual.
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33 posted on 01/11/2012 8:13:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

The Roman Catholic Blasphemy is not “the church.”


34 posted on 01/11/2012 8:15:22 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; RnMomof7; rzman21; Cronos; Mr Rogers; smvoice; CynicalBear; ...
” Jesus was not human. “

so Jesus was not human? it’s amazing, that attacks on the Church and the historical, biblical, orthodox Faith always leads to attacks on Jesus Christ Himself.

if Jesus wasn’t human, we are all still dead in our sins and He didn’t really suffer and shed His blood on the Cross.

unbelievable someone that claims to be a Christian could post such heresy.

Not unbelievable that someone who claims to be a Christian would misrepresent what someone else said though, sadly.

Cherry picking passages out an an article to misrepresent what was said is intellectually dishonest and disingenuous.

Here's the entire sentence.

The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to.

35 posted on 01/11/2012 8:16:26 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear; rzman21; Cronos; Salvation; RnMomof7; metmom

you keep pushing this “ Mary worshipped by Catholics “ untruth.
when challenged in the past for proof, none was forthcoming.

so again i will ask you, please name one Catholic that worships Mary.

just one will do.


36 posted on 01/11/2012 8:16:48 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: narses; RnMomof7
Contemporary Protestants distance themselves from the title, “Mother of God,” and perhaps for good reason. The term has evolved in its usage. What was once a rich theological term expressing a doctrinal truth about Christ developed quickly into a venerating praise to Mary. The term Theotokos can be translated with a strong Christocentric nuance as, “the one who gave birth to the one who is God.”[16] In the fifth century, the term was brought to the theological forefront by conflict with Nestorius. He argued that only the human nature of Jesus Christ had been born of Mary, thus provoking debate on the validity of the term. His concern was to protect the divine nature from similarities with the mother deities of paganism. [17]

Unlike modern Protestants, Luther did not shy away from using the term, “Mother of God,” and he was fully cognizant of its correct usage. He succinctly analyzes the Nestorian heresy, and concludes that Nestorius:

Insisted on the literal meaning of the words, “God born of Mary,” and interpreted “born” according to grammar or philosophy, as though it meant to obtain divine nature from the one who bore him, … We too know very well that God did not derive his divinity from Mary; but it does not follow that it is therefore wrong to say that God was born of Mary, that God is Mary’s Son, and that Mary is God’s mother. [18]

Throughout his career, one finds Luther expressing not only the rich Christ- centered usage of Theotokos when discussing the incarnation or Christ’s Deity, but he also uses the term simply as a synonym for Mary, which was common in sixteenth century Western Christendom.[19] In a Table Talk entry from 1542, one finds Luther using the title as a mode of exclamation, “O Mary, mother of God!”[20] This is not to suggest that Luther did not think of Mary as particularly special. To the contrary, Luther was to call her “Mother of God, exalted above all mortals”[21] when he considered she was given the great gift of being mother to the Messiah.

Luther though shifts the emphasis back to God: “She does not desire herself to be esteemed; she magnifies God alone and gives all glory to Him. She leaves herself out and ascribes everything to God alone, from whom she received it.”[22] For Mary to be exalted, was actually for her to “magnify God alone, to count only Him great and lay claim to nothing.”[23] As Heiko Oberman points out, when Luther uses the term “Theotokos,” “There is indeed little chance that Mary can become the thing signified rather than the sign.”[24] Mary, serving as the sign pointing to Christ, was to say: “I am but the workshop in which He performs His work; I had nothing to do with the work itself. No one should praise me or give me the glory for becoming the Mother of God, but God alone and His work are to be honored and praised in me.”[25]

He also compounds the term with “blessed”: “most blessed Mother of God,”[26] or “Blessed Virgin, Mother of God.”[27] Even in the usage of “blessed” though, Luther shifts the emphasis away from Mary and back to God. He explains that Mary thought herself “blessed” because God “regarded” her; that is, God turned His face toward her and gave grace and salvation, as he likewise did when He chose to give grace to Abel, rather than Cain. He explains, “But for this one thing alone, that God regarded her, men will call her blessed. That is to give all the glory to God as completely as it can be done… Not she is praised thereby, but God’s grace toward her.”[28] Luther sees this “regarding” as God’s bestowal of grace in choosing His children unto salvation and sanctification: “For where it comes to pass that God turns His face toward one to regard him, there is nothing but grace and salvation, and all gifts and works must follow.” [29]

(http://tquid.sharpens.org/luther_mary1.htm#III

Take note of this: no one should put his trust or confidence in the Mother of God or in her merits, for such trust is worthy of God alone and is the lofty service due only to him. Rather praise and thank God through Mary and the grace given her. Laud and love her simply as the one who, without merit, obtained such blessings from God, sheerly out of his mercy, as she herself testifies in the Magnificat. (Martin Luther, Luther’s Works, 43:10.)

37 posted on 01/11/2012 8:16:48 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: RnMomof7

“Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God”

I quit reading there.

Call me a ‘Mary-Idol Worshiping Papist’ I don’t care.

But never have I found a love as pure as Mary has given those who call her blessed.


38 posted on 01/11/2012 8:17:32 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: RnMomof7

Please read the Bible. The first thing you may notice about Jesus Christ is the fact: HE did NOT walk around the Holy Lands handing out Bibles & saying, ‘Here read this Bible & argue about it.’

Jesus Christ established a Church. You can read many passages in the Bible about the Church that Jesus Christ built. There is a promise that the ‘Gates of Hell’ will never prevail against the Church established by Jesus Christ. I recommend you look for that Church. Out of that Church came the Bible.

Luke 1: 41-43 ‘When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, cried out in a loud voice and said, ‘Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. And how does this happen to me that the MOTHER of my Lord should come to me?’ In the Christian Church,> JESUS IS LORD.


39 posted on 01/11/2012 8:17:36 PM PST by gghd
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To: Mad Dawg; RnMomof7

Was that your reaction to the thread posted by the Catholics on the same topic?


40 posted on 01/11/2012 8:17:52 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Mary is the mother of the “Son of david.”..the “Son of man” ...the “Son of God”.. She is not the mother of the triune God... She contributed to the Savior His humanity not His divinity.


41 posted on 01/11/2012 8:18:30 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: metmom

Jesus is human, the author of the article does not understand the Bible, nor the person of Jesus Christ.


42 posted on 01/11/2012 8:18:36 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: G Larry
Just as the Trinity is a mystery we accept on faith and cannot explain in human terms, the same is true of the simultaneity of Christ being both God and Man, and Mary’s role as mother of that same Christ.

Well said. While you're at it, we might as well attempt to straighten out the flock on the difference between the "Virgin Birth," and the "Immaculate Conception."

The "Virgin Birth" refers to the Birth of Christ.

The "Immaculate Conception" refers to the doctrine that The Virgin Mary, although conceived in the normal way,was born without Original Sin.

Mariolatry, including The Assumption of Mary into Heaven, and her Immaculate Conception, troubles many modern Protestants. However, these doctrines were not a problem for Martin Luther, nor were they for Henry VIII!

43 posted on 01/11/2012 8:19:21 PM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: Salvation
>> Now why would the Archangel address Mary in that way?<<

Luke 11:27-28 27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Nay rather, (Greek Menounge: nay surely, nay rather) blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

The words spoken to Mary were no different then were spoken to Jael in Judges. In fact, Jael was called blessed above women. Mary was called blessed among women.

Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be,

Those words were also spoken of Noah, Moses, and David.

44 posted on 01/11/2012 8:19:54 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Salvation

>> “Now why would the Archangel address Mary in that way?” <<

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Hail means “hello.”

As for the rest, all that are saved by their belief in Christ are “full of grace.”
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45 posted on 01/11/2012 8:20:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: conservativguy99
Some day, I pray, that you will know who Mary is. She’ll introduce you to her son Jesus. Her “yes” to the Holy Spirit changed everything. There is no praise unworthy of Our Blessed Mother.

The Holy Spirit introduces us to Jesus.

He's the one who convicts of sin, righteousness, and judgment and draws mankind to God.

Why does the Catholic church usurp the Holy Spirit with Mary?

46 posted on 01/11/2012 8:20:54 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: iowamark

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.


47 posted on 01/11/2012 8:21:56 PM PST by narses
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To: metmom; Mad Dawg
Was that your reaction to the thread posted by the Catholics on the same topic?

((crickets)))

48 posted on 01/11/2012 8:22:31 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: editor-surveyor; RnMomof7

What do you think “divine” means? That nature has no beginning or end. But the WORD became Flesh and was born into the world. He is still ONE person, but instead of one nature, He added one at the Incarnation. Still ONE person, but two natures.


49 posted on 01/11/2012 8:23:18 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: RnMomof7
She contributed to the Savior His humanity not His divinity.

To which did she give birth?

50 posted on 01/11/2012 8:23:29 PM PST by Al Hitan (Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.)
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