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Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
Mary: Mother of God?
This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."
This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.
Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?
The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.
Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."
The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."
The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".
This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."
It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.
Good post. Mary is the Earthly mother of Jesus and not of God.
I would like any Catholics to show, in their own translation of the Bible, where Mary or any of their “saints” can be prayed to.
I believe we are hearing the sound of crickets now...
is there one Jesus or two?
btw - the universal Faith that Christians have believed for 2,000 years does not teach that Mary contributed “divinity” to Jesus.
do you agree with Joseph Smith that the Church was apostate in 431ad?
He didnt have any!
WHEN Jesus came to His own hometown synagogue to preach, he astonished the people with His teachings. In their amazement, they asked, "Whence hath THIS man this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not ALL with us?" (Matt. 13:54-56).
>> “The “Immaculate Conception” refers to the doctrine that The Virgin Mary, although conceived in the normal way,was born without Original Sin.” <<
Yes, another vile blasphemy that separates catholics from God’s grace.
LOL..LOL..that is rich coming fom someone that is not allowed to interpret or come to his own understanding of the bible
>> “He added one at the Incarnation. Still ONE person, but two natures” <<
Yes, you’ve just destroyed your own argument!
What does the Bible say? It NEVER calls Mary the Mother of God. For the simple reason that God has no mother. If God had a mother, then He would be a created being. Christ's human nature had no father. His divine nature had no mother. Just as the article states. The Bible, ERGO, rightly calls Mary the "mother of Jesus", but NEVER the Mother of God.
Only RC Tradition establishes THAT title.
Now, if you care to show me in Scripture where Mary is the Mother of God, then we'll talk. If all you've got is tradition, early church fathers, councils, creeds, etc. then I'm forced to do once again with them what I do with them every time they are used to try to prove or defend a RCC "truth". Ignore them in favor of God's Word.
Then why not call her the more accurate term of *Mother of Christ*?
If people are going to have issues with who Christ is, that's their problem and the church is responsible for correcting any misconceptions amongst its membership.
Ive shown you before but here it is again.
Prayer of Pope Pius XII
In Honor of the Immaculate Conception
Enraptured by the splendor of your heavenly beauty, and impelled by the anxieties of the world, we cast ourselves into your arms, O Immaculate Mother of Jesus and our Mother, Mary, confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.
Though degraded by our faults and overwhelmed by infinite misery, we admire and praise the peerless richness of sublime gifts with which God has filled you, above every other mere creature, from the first moment of your conception until the day on which, after your assumption into heaven, He crowned you Queen of the Universe.
O crystal fountain of faith, bathe our minds with the eternal truths! O fragrant Lily of all holiness, captivate our hearts with your heavenly perfume! O Conqueress of evil and death, inspire in us a deep horror of sin, which makes the soul detestable to God and a slave of hell!
O well-beloved of God, hear the ardent cry which rises up from every heart. Bend tenderly over our aching wounds. Convert the wicked, dry the tears of the afflicted and oppressed, comfort the poor and humble, quench hatreds, sweeten harshness, safeguard the flower of purity in youth, protect the holy Church, make all men feel the attraction of Christian goodness. In your name, resounding harmoniously in heaven, may they recognize that they are brothers, and that the nations are members of one family, upon which may there shine forth the sun of a universal and sincere peace.
Receive, O most sweet Mother, our humble supplications, and above all obtain for us that, one day, happy with you, we may repeat before your throne that hymn which today is sung on earth around your altars: You are all-beautiful, O Mary! You are the glory, you are the joy, you are the honor of our people! Amen.
Ill use just the bolded excerpts from the prayer.
we cast ourselves into your arms
1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. (When did we need to replace God with Mary?)
confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.
Hebrews 4:15-16 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (once again Catholics replacing Christ with Mary)
O crystal fountain of faith
Romans 12:3 according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. or "a measure of faith." (but Mary is the fountain of faith for Catholics)
Lily of all holiness
1 Samuel 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. (for Catholics however, all holiness is given to Mary)
Conqueress of evil and death
Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. (but Catholics claim it was Mary who conquered death)
Convert the wicked
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; (Catholics have even replaced the Holy Spirit with Mary)
Statement by catholic Bishop Liqouri .......We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus..... She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help
Need I go on? Catholics have replaced virtually every attribute and working of God and given that to Mary in their worship.
>> “To which did she give birth?” <<
Obviously his humanity; Mary had no divinity to bestow on him.
laugh all you want, anyone that claims Jesus is not truly human and truly God doesn’t know the Bible.
you should be embarrassed that you post such an article.
in trying to attack the Church, you wind up attacking THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST. ( which is always the case since the Church is the Body of Christ )
way to go, i am sure you are proud!
I know we are hearing the sound of crickets now...
Nope, I’ve confirmed it!
Good post. Mary is the Earthly mother of Jesus and not of God
so Jesus is not God?
are you a Jehovah Witness or Mormon?
**The Holy Spirit introduces us to Jesus.**
Nope, at the moment of your death and the particular judgment, you meet Jesus.
What are you going to say to him when he asks you why you did not believe in his divinity as well as his humanity?
What are you going to say to him when he asks you why you never believed that his Mother gave birth to an infant, both human and divine?
Would not these be sins against the Holy Spirit, for Christ was conceived in Mary through the Holy Spirit?
And for what sin is there no forgiveness whatsoever? Answer: sins against the Holy Spirit.
So what then? Jesus didn't exist until Mary conceived and bore Him?
So, Jesus was only human when he was born. When did He acquire his divinity?
Do mothers give birth to natures or to persons?
Herein lies the Christological error of the author, the same error the council corrected - among others.
Underneath every error about Mary is an error about Christ. This article is but another example.
Do Catholics agree with this? THE SECRET OF MARY
St. Louis de Montfort
1. NECESSITY OF HAVING A TRUE DEVOTION TO MARY
2. WHAT PERFECT DEVOTION TO MARY CONSISTS IN
A. Prayer to Jesus
B. Prayer to Mary
4. THE CARE AND GROWTH OF THE TREE OF LIFE
A. The holy slavery of love
B. How to cultivate it
C. Its lasting fruit: Jesus Christ
I would like any Catholics to show, in their own translation of the Bible, where Mary or any of their saints can be prayed to.Paul's letters clarify how the Apostolic Church under the influence of the Holy Spirit spoke of believers as "saints," whether living or dead.
Paul asked the saints to pray for him and to imitate him.
Faithful people in the Post-Apostolic Church in the Apostles Creed defined the confessional response to faith in their creed: "We believe in the communion of saints."
Through Baptism we pass "from death to life; death no longer has dominion over us." Christians must believe that there is no real distinction between the believer in human life and after human life. Saints, living or dead, are indistinguishable before God.
If we can pray for and with saints in this life, we can pray for and with those saints after human life.
And as Paul asked saints to imitate him as he imitates Christ, the Church encourages Catholic Christians to imitate the holiness of the saints as they imitated the holiness of Christ and the Father.
As a hem of a garment, the shadows of saints, and clothes of the saints were used devotionally in the Apostolic Church, so relics and images of the saints are devotionally encouraged by the Church today.
First among saints by the fullness of grace which was hers is the Mother of Jesus, Mary.
I believe we are hearing the sound of crickets now...
Actually, the church is the Bride of Christ.
Can Christ marry his own body?
The “Body of Christ” notion is not scriptural in the sense that you used it. The church is a body dedicated to Christ, and in that sense it is true.
woman-suitable vessel-new Eve-advocate, intercesor, comforter-ever virgin Mother of God.
Just looking at the progression of this heresy makes a perfect argument for Sola Scriptura rather than Sola Ecclesia. Also, it's telling that it wasn't until John had died that the name changing and role expansion began occurring.
yes you do need to go on.
please name one Catholic that worships Mary.
produce one or withdraw the charge.
of course every Catholic knows Mary can not be worshipped, because she is a created being and worship is due God ALONE.
OF COURSE THERE ARE THOSE THAT WORSHIP TELLING “UNTRUTHS”, JUST SAYING.....
That is a lovely likeness of the catholic blasphemies WRT Mary.
Only RC tradition establishes the NT canon, do you accept that?
The same way I can pray to you:
Dear CM, please pray for me.
Christ conquered death.
I guess that rules God out, then doesn't it?
You need to meet Him some time.
A Biblical Portrait of Mary
Mary is prefigured immediately after the Fall of Man; her divine motherhood is prophesied.
Then the Lord God said to the serpent: “... I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel.”
Mary and her role in the history of our salvation is foretold by the prophet Isaiah; her virginity and divine motherhood is confirmed.
Therefore the Lord himself will give you this sign: the virgin shall be with child, and bear a son, and shall name him Immanuel.
Matthew begins his genealogy with Abraham and ends with Mary.
Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary. Of her was born Jesus who is called the Messiah.
Luke narrates the angel Gabriel’s announcement to Mary that she is to conceive a son and remain a virgin.
Lk 1: 26-38
...(The angel Gabriel said) “Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you ... The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.” ... Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word.”
Luke also narrates Mary’s visit to her cousin Elizabeth (pregnant with John the Baptist). It is Elizabeth who first calls Mary “the mother of God (Lord)”.
... When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit, cried out in a loud voice and said, “Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? ... Blessed are you who believed that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled.”
And Mary said: “My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord; my spirit rejoices in God my savior. For he has looked upon his handmaid’s lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed. The Mighty One has done great things for me, and holy is his name.”
Matthew records Mary’s engagement to Joseph.
... When his mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found with child through the holy Spirit. ... the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife into your home. For it is through the holy Spirit that this child has been conceived in her. She will bear a son and you are to name him Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” He (Joseph) had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus.
Luke narrates the birth events of Jesus.
... Joseph too went up from Galilee from the town of Nazareth to Judea, to the city of David that is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David, to be enrolled with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. While they were there, the time came for her to have her child, and she gave birth to her firstborn son. She wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger ... (Shepherds) went in haste and found Mary and Joseph, and the infant ... Mary kept all these things (that the shepherds told her), reflecting on them in her heart.
Luke includes the circumcision and presentation of Jesus.
The child’s father and mother were amazed at what was said about him; and Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother, “Behold, this child is destined for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be contradicted (and you yourself a sword will pierce) so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”
Luke narrates the loss and finding of Jesus in the temple in Jerusalem by Mary and Joseph.
When his parents saw him, they were astonished, and his mother said to him, “Son, why have you done this to us? Your father and I have been looking for you with great anxiety.” And he said to them, “Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father’s house?” But they did not understand what he said to them. He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them; and his mother kept all these things in her heart.
John records the wedding feast at Cana where Mary prompts Jesus’ first miracle.
On the third day there was a wedding in Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus and his disciples were also invited to the wedding. When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” (And) Jesus said to her, “Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servers, “Do whatever he tells you.” ... Jesus did this as the beginning of his signs in Cana in Galilee and so revealed his glory, and his disciples began to believe in him. After this, he and his mother, (his) brothers, and his disciples went down to Capernaum and stayed there only a few days.
Matthew writes of Jesus’ own words that compare his relationship with his followers to his relationship with his mother.
Mt 12:46-50 (Mk 3:31-35)
While he was still speaking to the crowds, his mother and his brothers appeared outside, wishing to speak with him. ... And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my heavenly Father is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
It is John (an eye witness) who recalls his personal experience at the foot of the cross on Calvary.
Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary of Magdala. When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple there whom he loved, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son.” Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his home.
Luke, in his Acts of the Apostles, records the presence of Mary with the Apostles in the community in Jerusalem between the Ascension of Jesus and Pentecost.
"ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION, for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS: That the man of GOd may be PERFECT, THOROUGHLY FURNISHED unto all good works." 2 Tim. 3:16-17.
Now, would you explain to me why the CC needs something more then PERFECT, THOROUGHLY FURNISHED? John 5:37-40 37And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen, 38and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe the one whom he has sent. 39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. Jesus always appealed to the written Word of God to settle disputes, never to oral tradition. When He refers to the 'Word of God', His reference is always to recorded Scripture. According to His teaching, Scripture was the final judge of all tradition. In fact, Jesus has virtually nothing positive to say about tradition (cf. Matthew 4:4; 5:17-19; 15:2-9; 22:29-32). Clearly, if the Son of God teaches that all tradition is to be judged by its conformity to the Scriptures, then tradition is subordinate to Scripture and Scripture is logically the ultimate authority.
Then there is Paul commending the Bereans for searching the scriptures daily to see if these things are true when speaking of even his teaching.
The question is define “worship”?
Where in the catechism, Church Fathers, papal encylicals, etc. does the Catholic Church or the Orthodox Church explicitly refer to Mary as a goddess?
Website is not a Catholic website, folks, move on
Advertisement for Baptist Church on the website. LOL!
Mary was a good Jewish girl, that knew her bible...
A. Inclusions from 1 Samuel 2
There are five inclusions from 1 Samuel 2, Hannah’s Song.
Mary: My soul glorifies the Lord (Luke 1:46)
Hannah: My heart rejoices in the LORD (1 Sam. 2:1)
Mary: ... my spirit rejoices in God my Savior (Luke 1:47)
Hannah: for I delight in your deliverance. (1 Sam. 2:1)
Mary: ... holy is his name. (Luke 1:49)
Hannah: There is no one holy like the LORD ... (1 Sam. 2:2)
Mary: He has brought down rulers from their thrones but has lifted up the humble. (Luke 1:52)
Hannah: The LORD sends poverty and wealth; he humbles and he exalts. He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap; he seats them with princes and has them inherit a throne of honor... (1 Sam.2:7,8 cf. Ps. 113:7,8)
Mary: He has filled the hungry with good things but has sent the rich away empty. (Luke 1:53)
Hannah: Those who were full hire themselves out for food, but those who were hungry hunger no more... (1 Sam.2:5)
Another parallel, not as direct as the others, is Mary’s statement, “he has scattered those who are proud,” (Luke 1:51) with Hannah’s statement, “... those who oppose the LORD will be shattered.” (1 Sam. 2:10)
Briefly, these inclusions are fairly exact in underlying meaning and intent. Some of them are a little hard to identify as quotations due to changes in language. But I think that there is enough here to suggest that Mary identified herself with this great woman of Israel’s history as one to whom the LORD had shown special favor. She knew this in her own case, “... From now on all generations will call me blessed....” (Luke 1:48)
B. Inclusions from other sources
There is another inclusion from the story of Hannah, in an earlier statement, in Hannah’s vow.
Mary: ... for he has been mindful of the humble state of his servant. (Luke 1:48)
Hannah: ... if you will only look upon your servant’s misery and remember me... (1 Sam. 1:11)
There are two other inclusions worth mentioning from other parts of the Bible, a psalm and the prophet Isaiah..
Mary: His mercy extends to those who fear him, from generation to generation. (Luke 1:50)
Psalmist: But from everlasting to everlasting the LORD’s love is with those who fear him, and his righteousness with their children’s children ... (Psalms 103:17; cf. Isa. 51:8)
Mary: He has helped his servant Israel... (Luke 1:54)
Isaiah: “But you, O Israel, my servant... I myself will help you,” declares the LORD. (Isa. 41:8,14)
The latter note is struck many times in the Old Testament, the Isaiah passage being only one of them. So is the former, exemplified in Psalm 103.
Contrasts: One immediate contrast is that Hannah spoke of the king at the end, while Mary went back to the promise made to Abraham. Hannah concentrated on the militant power of the LORD in 1 Sam. 2:4-7,9,10. Mary, by contrast, concentrated on the mercy of the Lord in Luke 1:50, returning to that theme in Luke 1:53-55.
From the parallels we have set out, one gains a sense of striking kinship between these songs composed 1100 years apart. The quotations or inclusions create an indelible connection between them. Beyond these, we ask,
>> “Do mothers give birth to natures or to persons?” <<
Not necessarily either of them, but they do give birth to bodies, dead or alive.
i will put you down as another one who agrees with Joseph Smith that the Church was apostate in 431ad.
( never mind that the Bible teaches that this isn’t possible )
Not only His divinity as implied by the title *Mother of God*.
I have more then met Jesus.
» John 17:23: Christ Himself prays to His Father: "I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one." » Romans 8:10: Paul tells us, "If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin." » Galatians 2:20: Paul speaks of himself and all true Christians: "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me." » Ephesians 3:17-18: Referring to the "inner man," Paul mentions that he prays "that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith." » I John 3:24: John writes: "Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit which He has given us."
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I've talked to Him personally about all those subjects already. You should "meet" Him like that.
>> “i will put you down as another one who agrees with Joseph Smith that the Church was apostate in 431ad.” <<
While you’re at it, you might put yourself down as a publisher of false statements as evidenced by comment 86.
From the Holy Spirit at conception.
I think this was way above the author’s paygrade. Not yours, his.
the author denies the humanity of Jesus.
i guess Jesus didn’t suffer for our sins and if He isn’t human, real blood was not shed on the Cross.
it’s embarrassing the guy claims to be a minister!!
It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary.
>>Sounds like a series of false analogies to me. BTW, the original Nestorians prayed to Mary. Seems like nothing but ignorance to me.
The following is an excerpt from the Assyrian Liturgy of Mar Addai and Mar Mari, which dates at least from the 4th century BEFORE the Council of Ephesus:
Upon the holy altar let there be a Memorial of the Virgin Mary, the mother of Christ. From everlasting to everlasting. O apostles of the Son and friends of the Only-begotten, pray that there may be tranquillity in the creation. Let all the people say, amen and amen. Your Memorial, O our father, is upon the holy altar with the just who were celebrated and the martyrs who were crowned. - Behold, all the departed have gone to rest in your hope, that at the glorious resurrection you might raise them in glory. -
The Assyrian Church of the East REJECTS the Council of Ephesus.
So Jesus human nature was separate from His divine nature? One had a body but the other didn’t?
>>When did He acquire his divinity?<<
>> From the Holy Spirit at conception. <<
Wrong! - That is when he acquired his human body, but his divinity is from everlasting to everlasting; it had no beginning, nor will it have an end.
I just gave you an example. You can deny it all you want but the facts remain. Catholics worship Mary.
I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. I believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
I believe in one God, the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial
with the Father;
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate
of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son
is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic,
and apostolic Church.
I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection
of the dead and the life of the world to come.
Aha! A true diplomat has spoken ... a Christian diplomat.
Blessèd are the Peacemakers, Ma! At a time when the Muslims would like to makes us all martyrs, it would be better to find agreement than to look for sectarian hot spots.
While the many catholic sects (Roman, Coptic, various Orthodox, Ethiopian, Syrian, Armenian, Anglican etc) are based on the Bible AND Tradition, they are the roots from which Protestant sects sprang to base their beliefs strictly on the Bible and in particular the Gospels. In other words, ALL Christians were catholics of some sort once. Nothing to be ashamed of, is it? And no reason to despise catholic practice and belief. Just as there can be no Christian reason to despise the Jews, who were the people of Christ and Mary.
we can’t help it if one can’t understand the historical, biblical, orthodox Christian Faith.
( remember, you claim to have been a Catholic once, shouldn’t you at least pretend to know what that Faith is? )