Posted on 01/15/2012 8:48:31 PM PST by j.argese
John 8:12 - Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Lucifer - from the Latin, "Bearer of Light", astronomically, Venus or the Morning Star
The birth of Jesus was one big mock of Satan and his “power” over man.
Jesus was big on making Satan submit to his power and authority over him and making sure we knew about it, too.
From what I read in the Scriptures, it’s not really a power thing. God holds all the cards.
But we are dealing with two diametrically opposed worldviews, God’s and Satan’s.
God has set about showing, without question, that any other worldview that stands apart from God’s will fail in the end. When God is finished, every knee shall bow and acknowledge God. It won’t because the rebels finally acknowledge God’s ultimate supremacy, but because they have used every trick in the book to try and succeed outside of God’s way and they have no tricks left. Acknowledging God at this point won’t be a joyful moment for them.
You see this in the left’s worldview. It’s why they keep telling us the real commmunism hasn’t been tried. It’s why most environmentalists and Green party members all came from the communist movement, when it failed. These are just new tricks of a flawed worldview.
I doubt it. Most of what modern belief of Lucifer consists of is from works like the Inferno and Paradise Lost. The Bible is actually pretty slim on defining fallen angels. Most of the evil found in it is that of man (worldly).
Jesus was there from the beginning of the world and before. God didnt need bench strength. God and Jesus knew the moment creation happened that Jesus was going to have to bridge the gap, and God chose you and I in a trade over his perfect son. And he still thinks he got the best end of the deal... Now THAT is the good news.
Lucifer by that name was doing what he does best—lie. Christ was just doing his job—speaking the truth. :) Thank you Jesus! :-D.
You just made my eyes water and my nose sting a little bit.
You are 100% correct.
Satan wants to deceive, and usurp Jesus’ true title.
Satan is NOT the light bringer, no matter what the free masons may have written over they years.
The thing is that Jesus was/is God, Lucifer was just a created being...
hence Jesus/God could not have been a replacement for a created being
you are absolutely correct.
Jesus seemed more in to “mocking” by pointing out the hypocrisy of their thoughts/actions. He was also very direct; not the subtle, you need time to think it through before you realise you been slapped, type guy.
Lucifer
(Hebrew helel; Septuagint heosphoros, Vulgate lucifer)
The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for “the light of the morning” (Job 11:17), “the signs of the zodiac” (Job 38:32), and “the aurora” (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16; the “Exultet” of Holy Saturday) the true light of our spiritual life.
The Syriac version and the version of Aquila derive the Hebrew noun helel from the verb yalal, “to lament”; St. Jerome agrees with them (In Isaiah 1.14), and makes Lucifer the name of the principal fallen angel who must lament the loss of his original glory bright as the morning star. In Christian tradition this meaning of Lucifer has prevailed; the Fathers maintain that Lucifer is not the proper name of the devil, but denotes only the state from which he has fallen (Petavius, De Angelis, III, iii, 4).
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09410a.htm
I like Matthew Henry.
I especially am intrigued by his opinion that the enemy in the last days would be ISLAM. (Not the EU, or Russia or China, or a revived Roam Empire, etc etc etc) but Islam.
Interesting for a 300 year old opinion.
Many of the replies I find a bit confusing, those that write don’t find confusion, but as one that is just reading it in some cases makes no sense, perhaps because I am not part of that particular discussion...but your reply is clear, no confusion in the remark and it is the Good News without lots of theology Thank You.....GG
Thank you for your kind words. If people actually new that I think there would be very little argument over religion. As humans we have a hard time believing that we really ARE loved THAT much. People believe that we have to be “good enough” Then God will love us. Exactly the opposite. He saw us at our worst and said ... YES! I want them. Right there that one... Not as our perfect selves but as our crappiest selves, because Christ will stand in front and that is all God will see.... Nope totally undeserving... But totally willing to accept that love because we ARE deserving. :)
The word "Lucifer" in the original language means light bearer. Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Please note that the original language of the Old Testament was not Latin.
Of course not, the Old Testament was written mostly in classical Hebrew including the verse Isaiah 14:12:
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
So the question is why use “Lucifer” in the English translation. The answer is the tradition started by St Jerome when he translated the Bible into Latin. I can’t remember whether he started with the Hebrew or the Septuagint.
The OT feasts prefigure Christ.. When Jesus declared that He was the light of the world it was during the feast of dedication or “Hanukkah “
John 10:22; “And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication and it was winter.”
Jesus said concerning Himself, in John 8:12; “.....I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but he will have the light of life.” Then He said in John 9:5 that “as long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” And in John 11:9 He said, “......are there not twelve hours in a day? If any man walk in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.” And again in John 12:35; “Then Jesus said to them, for a little while the light is with you. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness come upon you.” Each of these references to Jesus as the light of the world in John chapters 8, 9, 11, and 12 surround chapter 10 where the “feast of dedication” (Hanukkah) is being observed. In each of these references when Jesus refers to Himself as the light of the world, He is in the Temple.
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/tabor/hanukkah.html
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