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Posted on 01/15/2012 10:10:29 PM PST by bibletruth
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If there is a debate here then it must follow Bible Scriptures to advocate reproofs, corrections, and instructions on how God the Father has ordained and appointed someone other than HIS SON Christ Jesus as that mediator. In light of 1 Timothy 2:5 - there is no debate here since God's Word clearly points out that that mediator is the ONE mediator which is Christ Jesus, who has been appointed 2,000 years ago between God and men.
If you believe in God's Word, who is Christ Jesus: THE Word of God, then 1 Timothy 2:5 will be easily be understood as Christ the mediator.
And then you will understand that Biblically, that that mediator is NOT the vicar of Christ, i.e., the Catholic vicar of Christ in which his supreme headship is over the entire church on earth.
Nor is that mediator Mary as Mediatrix due to Mary's cooperation in the redemption through and under her Son. Mediatrix in itself could refer to either the objective redemption (the once-for-all earning a title to grace for all men), or to the subjective redemption (the distribution of this grace to individual men).
But what does God's Word and will indicate inside the Bible? What can be more simple to understand that God declaring Christ as the one mediator: 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Now what does the WORD OF GOD say regarding this distribution of grace to each and every individual man or woman?
Romans 5:15 ...much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, WHICH IS BY ONE MAN, JESUS CHRIST, hath abounded unto many.
If you believe in God's Word, then this Scripture clearly says: The gift by grace, WHICH IS BY ONE MAN, JESUS CHRIST. It does not say: The gift by grace, WHICH IS BY TWO, JESUS CHRIST and MARY
Furthermore: Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: This Grace is clearly seen in the Bible as distributed of the Lord Jesus Christ for those who are saved.
2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
These distributions of God's Grace are clearly seen in the Bible, without mixture, as being distributed solely BY and OF the Lord Jesus Christ for those who are saved.
All these Scripture truths will make perfect sense to those who believe in God's Word, who is Christ Jesus: THE Word of God. Take time to study these Scriptures. In fact, study them before you make a railing post of opposition, otherwise, it is evident that "hearing they hear not, neither do they understand" (Matthew 13:13)
We pray through the Spirit, so God can hear it, through the Son, God’s only One.
I hear and I understand. Amen to your post!!!!!
Romans 8:26: Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Romans 8:27: And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
I praise God and Christ Jesus for His will in your life and understanding of His will in this matter of 1 (one) mediator which is Christ Jesus, no other god...
AMEN, and AMEN. GOSPEL truth.
Amen & Amen!
“God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.” (1 Corinthians 14:33)
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” (Ephesians 4:4-6)
“Let this mind be in you, which was in Christ Jesus: Wherefore God hath highly exalted Him, and hath given Him a name which is above every name.” (Philippians 2:5....2:9)
For men to put another man or woman above, or equal to God’s Son, and our Saviour is a false doctrine and heresy in the light of God’s Word.
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)
“(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luthers Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)”
is not the Word of God.
To say Mary is the Mother of God would mean that she would pre-date God the Father. God the Father considers a person righteous because of their faith and trust in God, not their individual piety.
Mary was not and is not the, “Mother of God.” She was not sinless, but needed a Savior as the Magnificat states. She faced death as all women do. She is in heaven today because she was redeemed by grace through the redemptive blood of the Savior.
Roman Catholicism eclipses Christ by their unscriptural adoration of Mary.
Martin Luther was a man mightily used by God. But a man after all.
It is praiseworthy that Luther refused Rome for the scriptures so thoroughly. It is not amazing that he was still somewhat influenced by her teachings.
Mary was not and is not the, Mother of God.Another Trailer Park Preacher heard from! What odd sect is it that you claim gets it right?
“..and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven...”
I need to get to bed - but as a “protty” - I agree with Luther. Even where he says she was the Mother of God. Obviously not the mother of God the Father, but of God the Son. Jesus was both fully God and fully man - and Mary obviously was His mother.
And obviously Mary DOES have a unique place, and that she was blessed.
Of course as a protty I see no Biblical basis to claim that she was also born from a virgin birth, was sinless, remained a virgin, or did not die. I can understand the need of some folks (Catholics) to try to resolve all of that so it “makes sense”.
And while Mary WAS very special, I don’t understand the viewpoint that we still need to, or perhaps better stated - we can if we wish(?) pray to her to intercede with God for us. That is what the Holy Spirit is for.
I believe, Sir, that you would call even the Savior a, Trailer Park Preacher.Mind reading? Not Biblical. Also in this case you are (again) wrong.
Semantics - Jesus was 100% Man and 100% God unless He wasn't Immanuel. Mary gave birth because God willed it and she was obedient. Ergo, while she did not originate God the Father or God the Holy Spirit, she was the mother of God the Son.
Surely ther are more improtant things to argue about - things that will help spread the Word rather than distract folks from it.
And since their is only one mediator he is all I need, in the person of the Holy Spirit, to interpret the scripture he wrote. I need no self important man to do it for me.
“And since there is only one mediator he is all I need, in the person of the Holy Spirit, to interpret the scripture he wrote. I need no self important man to do it for me.”
That about sums it up.
Emmanuel= God with us, not “God with a select few that are self anointed to interpret scripture”.
“Another Trailer Park Preacher heard from!”
“Can anything good come from Nazareth?”
Considered the trailer park of the day.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
She was the mother of Jesus Christ. All Christians believe that Jesus Christ was/is God. Are you saying Jesus Christ isn't God?
Psalms are not our mail for Prayer today: The Psalms are an excellent source of truth on how David prayer was to work by, but not for today's prayer pattern for the church today. Psalms are primarily Jewish. Psalms outlines the Jewish Davidic Mandate.
Jesus Christ pre-dated her and created her. He was born of His created being. She is in heaven, saved by the one-time sacrifice of Jesus Christ which we participate in, in each Eucharist.
The term Theotokos, God-bearer makes complete sense if one acknowledges that Jesus Christ was/is God, not a subordinate created being. It also emphasises the Trinitarian view.
we have a lot of good Catholic Trailer Park preachers, narses — who work with the poorest of the poor around the world. These still to orthodoxy, the faith taught us by JEsus Christ Himself and handed down through the Apostles.
or does that way to freely interpret scripture also give license to Church of Christ who preach pelagianism? Or to Oneness Pentecostals who deny the Trinity? Or to Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the divinity of Christ with compelling arguements from scripture? Or to Mormons who interpret scripture their own way "Gods"...?
More clearly, mediator is the “go-between”, and 1 Tim says what has always been believed and is still believed by all of orthodoxy — that all prayers etc. go through Christ alone. Whether those prayers are by you for me, or vice-versa, or the saints, Mary etc. praying to God for us, it all goes through Christ. He is the one-mediator, connector between God and man.
**Roman Catholicism eclipses Christ by their unscriptural adoration of Mary.**
Catholics do not adore Mary.
We pray and ask her to intercede with her Son for us.
What are Mary’s last words in the Bible?
“Do whatever he tells you.”
That is not the voice of xomeone eclipsing her son.
Please, do stop believing some of these lies you may have learned.
The Pentacostal church doesn’t deny the trinity.
Or to Catholics who preach non-biblical doctrines like purgatory and Mariology and indulgences, etc. The fact satan invades some churches to teach bad doctrine reinforces the need for each person to call on the Holy Spirit to reveal the meaning of God's revelation to them personally. One cannot rely on self proclaimed Pastors or Priests - ultimately one of them will Always come along with bad doctrine regardless of the Church or denomination. Father Phlegar of the Catholic Church is a good example as well as certain apostates from every Protestant denominatios. Rely on Jesus not man.
I dont have a problem with the notion that Christians in Heaven can pray on our behalf. However, I do have a problem with the practice of speaking with Christians in Heaven and requesting them to pray on our behalf.
When a Catholic says that arent praying to a departed saint, but are merely asking that saint to pray for them, the Catholic makes an assumption that humans in Heaven arent limited as we are here on Earth. It seems like a huge leap to accept that humans in Heaven are able to communicate with every single person on earth, even simultaneously with multiple people on Earth; they would have to be somewhat omniscient.
Heaven is truly a mystery for us, and while I admit I don’t understand all that Heaven will be like, I don’t see why Catholics are convinced that speaking with people in Heaven is fruitful or appropriate.
The "oneness" Pentacostals do, I think he's correct on that.
We need to remember how jesus became our mediator. He became incarnate by the Virgin Mary. We must remember how he continues to mediate, though his chosen ones, which we call the church, guided by the Finger of the Father, the Holy Spirit. The Spirit wrote the Law on stone tables, the Spirit writes now on human hearts.
Never heard of the “oneness” pentacostals. I’m referring to Pentacostal Church of God. Church of God believes what the Bible states.
Heaven is truly a mystery for us as you say. For me in particular, I don't spend much or any time doing that speaking -- I commune with God in prayer and in the Eucharist and as a Catholic that's good. Requesting saints to pray with you is additional praise to God.
Yup -- and any Catholic priest who declares what he wants as theology instantly becomes a non-Catholic preacher.
No individual not even a bishop of rome can raise their individual theology to dogma and none has.
the bogey of some bish being the sole media is just a bogey.
One of these, the Oneness Pentecostalism DOES deny the trinity. They believe in the Oneness doctrine that there is one God, a singular spirit who manifests himself in many different ways, including as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They baptise in the name of Jesus Christ, commonly referred to as Jesus-name baptism, rather than using the Trinitarian formula.
We have a Oneness Pentecostal here on FR -- Zuriel. To his credit, he has always been civil when debating.
Catholics have always spoken of Mary as the second eve. The Ark of the New Covenant. Eve, of course, was created without sin. The Ark is a symbol of purity and holiness, made to his specifications. As to the term, Mother of God, or Theotokos, —God-bearer—the term was chosen by the Council of Ephesus is make a statement about who Jesus is. A hundred years before, the Council of Nicaea, repudiated the teaching of Arius that Jesus was only human, if a greatly exaulted human being. Instead they said he is God. Despite this, many Christians continued to hold with Arius, including the son of Constantine, or occupy some middle-ground. Eventually the Niceaean position won out, and in 380, a council affirmed and strengthened the Nicaean position, and also affirmed that the Holy Spirit a divine person. Then came confusion. If Jesus was divine, how could he be truly human? The bishop of Constantinople offered a formula: Mary was the source of his humanity, but not of his divinity. She bore the Saviors but not the god. But this puts a strain on the teaching that the human and divine natures and joined in one person. Therefore in 430, the Church denounced Nestorius, and asserted that when Mary gave birth to Jesus, she was bearing not only man but God, in his second person. In all respects except sin, Jesus is man. He is also God. Therefore Mary is the Mother of God. For Catholics and Orthodox, the Virgin Birth is not merely a greater sign than the birth of Issac or the prophet John, but a miracle like the descent of the Glory of God on the Tabernacle of the people of Israel. Not merely a miracle in the narrow sense, but God coming to join his people in person.
then at the other extreme are more "orthodox" ones like the Assemblies of God
you also have the Word of Faith crowd like Benny Hinn (there are 9 gods) and Jesse Duplantis ("you have the power to live or die, God can't kill you" and "I visited heaven and comforted Jesus")
If one does not believe in the “communion of saints,” then one does not believe in the Body of Christ.
Wherefore it is said in the Apocalypse (viii, 4): ‘And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel’ (Summ. Theol., II-II, Q. lxxxiii, a. 4).
If the Apostles and Martyrs, while still in the body, can pray for others, at a time when they must still be anxious for themselves, how much more after their crowns, victories, and triumphs are won! One man, Moses, obtains from God pardon for six hundred thousand men in arms; and Stephen, the imitator of the Lord, and the first martyr in Christ, begs forgiveness for his persecutors; and shall their power be less after having begun to be with Christ? The Apostle Paul declares that two hundred three score and sixteen souls, sailing with him, were freely given him; and, after he is dissolved and has begun to be with Christ, shall he close his lips, and not be able to utter a word in behalf of those who throughout the whole world believed at his preaching of the Gospel? And shall the living dog Vigilantius be better than that dead lion? (”Contra Vigilant.”, n. 6, in P.L., XXIII, 344).
“You might want to do some more reading about Jesus Christ,true GOD and true MAN.”
Are you saying there are other sources of the Word of God?
However, her sentiment in Mark 3:21 is likely after Cana.
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