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Pope says uniting Christianity requires conversion
cna ^ | January 18, 2012 | David Kerr

Posted on 01/18/2012 3:19:15 PM PST by NYer

Pope Benedict XVI celebrates Mass for the Feast of the Epiphany in St. Peter's Basilica on Jan. 6, 2012

Vatican City, Jan 18, 2012 / 02:15 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Pope Benedict XVI said today that achieving Christian unity requires more than “cordiality and cooperation” and that it must be accompanied by interior conversion.

“Faith in Christ and interior conversion, both individual and communal, must constantly accompany our prayer for Christian unity,” said the Pope to over 8,000 pilgrims gathered in the Vatican’s Paul VI Audience Hall on Jan. 18.

The Pope’s comments mark the start of the 2012 Week of Prayer for Christian Unity that runs until Jan. 25. It will be observed by over 300 Christian churches and ecclesial communities around the globe. 

The Pope asked for “the Lord in a particular way to strengthen the faith of all Christians, to change our hearts and to enable us to bear united witness to the Gospel.”

In this way, he said, they “will contribute to the new evangelization and respond ever more fully to the spiritual hunger of the men and women of our time.”

The Pope explained that the concept of a week of prayer for Christian unity was initiated in 1908 by Paul Wattson, an Episcopalian minister from Maryland. One year later, he became a Catholic and was subsequently ordained to the priesthood.

Pope Benedict recalled how the initiative was supported by his predecessors Pope St. Pius X and Pope Benedict XV.  It was then “developed and perfected” in the 1930s by the Frenchman Abbé Paul Couturier, who promoted prayer “for the unity of the Church as Christ wishes and according to the means he wills.”

The mandate for the week of prayer, the Pope underscored, comes from the wish of Christ himself at the Last Supper “that they may all be one.” He observed that this mission was given a particular impetus by the Second Vatican Council (1962-65) but added that “the unity we strive for cannot result merely from our own efforts.” Rather,  “it is a gift we receive and must constantly invoke from on high.”  

The theme for 2012 Week of Prayer – “All shall be changed by the victory of Jesus Christ our Lord” – was crafted by the Polish Ecumenical Council. Pope Benedict said it reflects “their own experience as a nation,” which stayed faithful to Christ “in the midst of trials and upheavals,” including years of occupation by the Nazis and later the Communists.

The Pope tied the victory the Polish people experienced over their oppressors to overcoming the disunity that marks Christians.

He said that the “unity for which we pray requires inner conversion, both shared and individual,” and it cannot be “limited to cordiality and cooperation.” Instead, Christians must accept “all the elements of unity which God has conserved for us.”

Ecumenism, the Pope stated, is not an optional extra for Catholics but is “the responsibility of the entire Church and of all the baptized.” Christians, he said, must make praying for unity an “integral part” of their prayer life, “especially when people from different traditions come together to work for victory in Christ over sin, evil, injustice and the violation of human dignity.”

Pope Benedict then touched on the lack of unity in the Christian community, which he said “hinders the effective announcement of the Gospel and endangers our credibility.” Evangelizing formerly Christian countries and spreading the Gospel to new places will be “more fruitful if all Christians together announce the truth of the Gospel and Jesus Christ, and give a joint response to the spiritual thirst of our times,” he explained.

The Pope concluded his comments with the hope that this year’s Week of Prayer for Christian Unity will lead to “increased shared witness, solidarity and collaboration among Christians, in expectation of that glorious day when together we will all be able to celebrate the Sacraments and profess the faith transmitted by the Apostles.”

The general audience finished with Pope Benedict addressing pilgrims in various languages, including  greeting a group of men and women from the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps, before leading the crowd in the Our Father and imparting his apostolic blessing.


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To: editor-surveyor
Wrap yourself as a "Martyr" Now? You call the communion "satanic"? Which Christ instituted. You give a "billion" number for so called "proof". Now, I am against every freeper. WOW!

You declare some statements.

301 posted on 01/19/2012 1:45:42 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: the lastbestlady; rzman21; narses

St Jude got it done.

Thank you so much for that post and the ping! It made my day.

You probably already know this but, for the benefit of visitors, I will post this TRUE story.


Danny Thomas and the Founding of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital

More than 70 years ago, Danny Thomas, then a struggling young entertainer with a baby on the way, visited a Detroit church and was so moved during the Mass, he placed his last $7 in the collection box. When he realized what he’d done, Danny prayed for a way to pay the looming hospital bills. The next day, he was offered a small part that would pay 10 times the amount he’d given to the church. Danny had experienced the power of prayer.

Two years later, Danny had achieved moderate acting success in Detroit, but he was struggling to take his career to the next level. Once again, he turned to the church. Praying to St. Jude Thaddeus, the patron saint of hopeless causes, Danny asked the saint to “help me find my way in life, and I will build you a shrine.”

His career took a turn for the better, and soon he moved his family to Chicago to pursue career offers. A few years later, at another turning point in his life, Danny visited a church and remembered his pledge to St. Jude. Again he prayed to St. Jude and repeated his pledge to build a shrine to the saint if he would show him the way.

In the years that followed, Danny's career flourished through films and television, and he became an internationally known entertainer. He remembered his pledge to build a shrine to St. Jude.

In the early 1950s, Danny began discussing with friends what concrete form his vow might take. Gradually, the idea of a children’s hospital, possibly in Memphis, Tennessee, took shape. In 1955, Danny Thomas and a group of Memphis businessmen who had agreed to help support his dream seized on the idea of creating a unique research hospital devoted to curing catastrophic diseases in children. More than just a treatment facility, this would be a research center for the children of the world.

Danny started raising money for his vision of St. Jude in the early 1950s. By 1955, the local business leaders who had joined his cause began area fundraising efforts, supplementing Danny's benefit shows that brought scores of major entertainment stars to Memphis. Often accompanied by his wife, Rose Marie, Danny crisscrossed the United States by car, sharing his dream and raising funds at meetings and benefits. The pace was so hectic that Danny Thomas and his wife once visited 28 cities in 32 days. Although Danny Thomas and his friends raised the money to build the hospital, they now faced the daunting task of funding its annual operation.

To solve this problem, Danny, of Lebanese decent, turned to his fellow Americans of Arabic-speaking heritage. Believing deeply that these Americans should, as a group, thank the United States for the gifts of freedom given their parents, Danny also felt the support of St. Jude would be a noble way of honoring his immigrant forefathers who had come to America.

Danny’s request struck a responsive chord. In 1957, 100 representatives of the Arab-American community met in Chicago to form ALSAC® with a sole purpose of raising funds for the support of St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital.

Since that time, with national headquarters in Memphis and regional offices throughout the United States, ALSAC has assumed full responsibility for all the hospital’s fundraising efforts, raising hundreds of millions annually through benefits and solicitation drives among Americans of all ethnic, religious and racial backgrounds. Today, ALSAC is the nation’s second largest health-care charity* and is supported by the efforts of more than 1 million volunteers nationwide.

Through striking improvements in the care of pediatric leukemias and numerous forms of solid tumors, St. Jude—which now has a daily operating cost of $1.7 million—has brought about improved health care for children all over the world. St. Jude’s physicians and scientists have pioneered treatments that have helped push the overall survival rates for childhood cancers from less than 20 percent when the hospital opened in 1962 to 80 percent today.

From a promise of “Help me find my way in life, and I will build you a shrine” to the fulfillment of his dream, Danny lived to see his little hospital become an international beacon of hope for the catastrophically ill children of the world. The founder of St. Jude and ALSAC died on February 6, 1991, just two days after joining patients, parents and employees to celebrate the hospital’s 29th anniversary. He was laid to rest in a family crypt at the Danny Thomas/ALSAC Pavilion on the grounds of the hospital. On July 12, 2000, his wife, Rose Marie, passed away and now lies with her beloved husband in the hospital’s Memorial Garden. Today, their children, Marlo, Terre and Tony, carry on their parents’ work and remain a driving force in fulfilling their father’s mission. Danny Thomas is gone, but his dream lives on.


Thanks to the intercession of St. Jude, many children today, along with others, like your husband, survive to share the graces that accompany sincere prayer.

St. Jude, glorious Apostle, faithful servant and friend of Jesus, the name of the traitor has caused you to be forgotten by many, but the true Church invokes you universally as the Patron of things despaired of; pray for me, that finally I may receive the consolations and the succor of Heaven in all my necessities, tribulations, and sufferings, particularly (here make your request), and that I may bless God with the Elect throughout Eternity. Amen.

Attn rzman21 - This one post was sufficient reason to keep this thread alive.

302 posted on 01/19/2012 1:59:11 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: smvoice

****Furthermore, Paul states, CERTIFIES, that the gospel he preached was NOT preached before.****

“But I certify you, brethren, that THE GOSPEL PREACHED OF ME IS NOT AFTER MAN. For I neither RECEIVED IT OF MAN, neither was I TAUGHT IT, but BY THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.” Gal. 1:11,12.

Ah, but that is not what the passage says, is it? Paul does not say that the gospel he received was NOT preached before.

He says that he did not receive it from man but by a revelation of Jesus.

Quite simply, despite the near desperate need of some, Paul was aware that there were those who had serious doubts and suspicions about him and it was paramount that he be shown to be called by Jesus.

It was also important that the twelve accept him and they did when he presented them with what he had learned from the Lord and they knew that he was speaking the truth.

****Instead of letting God’s Word plainly say what it says, you seem to be attempting to make it say something it clearly does not****

It is not I that is guilty of wresting from Scripture something it plainly DOES NOT SAY.

****The Scriptures you gave were about the Mystery, hid in God, from the foundation of the world. That we would be fellowheirs with Israel through the gospel. But you did not give us what that gospel is.*****

The mystery revealed is that through the cross of Jesus, all would be united, joined, coheirs to the promises of God. THAT is the mystery not revealed until God revealed it to the Apostles through Jesus.


303 posted on 01/19/2012 2:01:04 PM PST by Jvette
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To: johngrace

I do not call real communion satanic, just that blasphemous nonsense that the catholics do.


304 posted on 01/19/2012 2:01:18 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

You sound an awful lot like an atheist trying to stir up a fight.

Your reasoning is just as sound.


305 posted on 01/19/2012 2:03:20 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21; D-fendr

I am no real Calvinist, but the 5 solas were intended to stand all together, that much should be clear to any honest man. To refute one of them at a time is to destroy the structure piecemeal, yet not touching the whole thing in the least.

You may destroy as many "tulips" as you wish, peeling back the separate petals one by one in childish glee, without having accomplished the destruction of the thing which vexes you so. For what it is, is a refutation of Rome's claims to Supremacy.

Try looking at them all together, and see how they function as parts of a whole.

The above, taken all together simultaneously, is not "easy believism", though it is easy enough to see why the attacks upon it are of a divide and conquer nature, since the principles were so effective toward diminishing Rome's own powers of influence (having begun to run riot into much ungodliness by that time).

To pretend that they are stand each of them on their own, with no regards to the other, is much more dishonest coming out of mouths of Catholics, than any number of objections to "Mary worship" are, coming out of Post-Reformation Christians.

306 posted on 01/19/2012 2:08:02 PM PST by BlueDragon (on'a $10 horse an' a $40 saddle I'm going up the trail with them longhorn cattle c'm uh ty-yi-yipy-)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
Photobucket Dear Sister;

To be Honest all Prayers are to Jesus and the Triune God.

We ask for the heavenly Host to pray for us to Jesus and with Jesus.

Here is the prayer.

O Holy St Jude!

Apostle and Martyr,

great in virtue and rich in miracles,

near kinsman of Jesus Christ,

faithful INTERCESSOR for all who invoke you, special patron in time of need;

to you I have recourse from the depth of my heart, and humbly beg you,

to whom God has given such great power, to come to my assistance;

help me now in my urgent need and grant my earnest petition.

I will never forget thy graces and favors you obtain for me and I will do my utmost to spread devotion( meaning asking for prayers from ST. Jude) to you.Amen.

St. Jude, pray for us and all who honor thee and invoke thy aid.

(Say 3 Our Father's, 3 Hail Mary’s, and 3 Glory Be’s after this.)

Our Father(JESUS"S PRAYER), Who art in heaven Hallowed be Thy Name;

Thy kingdom come,

Thy will be done,

on earth as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread,

and forgive us our trespasses,

as we forgive those who trespass against us;

and lead us not into temptation,

but deliver us from evil. Amen.

NOTICE WE ASK MARY TOO.

Hail Mary, full of grace. Our Lord is with thee(She is in Heaven).

Blessed art thou among women,

and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God,

PRAY FOR US sinners,

now and at the hour of our death.

Amen.

THEN WE SAY ALL GLORY TO THE TRIUNE GOD.

Glory be to the Father

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit.

As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end.

Amen.

THIS ENDS WITH MOST PRAYERS.

ALL GLORY TO GOD!!

AMEN

307 posted on 01/19/2012 2:12:11 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: NYer
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Thanks For Info.

My Mother would send a monthly statement for decades. She had a autograph picture of Danny Thomas with a letter.

308 posted on 01/19/2012 2:21:48 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: BlueDragon; rzman21

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

I only have a short time, hope you’ll forgive a quick thought:

I understand your point of the interlocking; however, if the underpinning is false, wouldn’t that cause the rest to collapse as well?

I’m thinking here of sola scriptura. If it is the basis for doctrine, inclusive of the other solas, and it is internally negated, failing its own criteria, wouldn’t that negate its results?

I guess I’m seeing it as the fulcrum for all, or a hierarchy here.

thanks for your courteous reply...


309 posted on 01/19/2012 2:28:50 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: rzman21

Jesus came to stir up a fight, and I come to support him.

Read Matthew 10.


310 posted on 01/19/2012 2:32:01 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: the lastbestlady; 2nd amendment mama

>> “It must be fun to live in your head with peter pan and the Easter bunny.” <<

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So giving God the glory is fantasy?

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311 posted on 01/19/2012 2:39:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: johngrace

I have to disagree with your premise. Prayer should only be to Jesus/God/Holy Spirit. Prayer or worship to anyone else is idolatry.


312 posted on 01/19/2012 2:51:21 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: BlueDragon; rzman21; D-fendr

>> “Sola Fide is perhaps the easiest of the Solas to refute.” <<

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Its never been refuted; its in the scriptures.

Eph 2:8-9

“For by Grace are ye saved through Faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of god, not of works lest any man should boast.”

How do you refute the word of God?


313 posted on 01/19/2012 2:54:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: BlueDragon

For what it is, is a refutation of Rome’s claims to Supremacy.
>>The Protestant Revolution accomplished no such thing. The only thing it accomplished was setting the stage for the general apostasy that produced the “Enlightenment.”

Catholics heartily affirm the following Solas.

Sola Deo Gloria, Sola Gratia, and Sola Christus.

Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide, however, are unbiblical.

Easy believism, is a Protestant neologism, developed by Baptists who reject once saved, always saved.

The Reformation was not any different than the Russian Revolution or the French Revolution in that it overthrew the existing religious order in Northern Europe and created fertile soil for atheism.


314 posted on 01/19/2012 2:56:40 PM PST by rzman21
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To: editor-surveyor

10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Ephesians 2:10

You forgot this verse.

It’s easy to refute unlearned men who twist the scriptures to their own destruction.


315 posted on 01/19/2012 3:00:02 PM PST by rzman21
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To: editor-surveyor

Read Matthew 7:23


316 posted on 01/19/2012 3:02:45 PM PST by rzman21
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To: smvoice

But you did not give us what that gospel is.

The Gospel isn’t something, it is SOMEONE.

John 3:16

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The mystery was how it salvation would be won by Jesus on the cross.

The One Lord is the Gospel for ALL of us.


317 posted on 01/19/2012 3:12:07 PM PST by Jvette
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To: D-fendr; BlueDragon; rzman21
I’m thinking here of sola scriptura. If it is the basis for doctrine, inclusive of the other solas, and it is internally negated, failing its own criteria, wouldn’t that negate its results?

"What is Truth?" An Examination of Sola Scriptura

318 posted on 01/19/2012 3:17:53 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: rzman21

You’ve refuted nothing.

It makes no claim of salvation by works at all.

Eph 2:9 states clearly that salvation is not of works, and 2:10 makes it clear that works are the result of salvation, not the source.

Yes, you are an unlerned man, but it is time for you to learn.


319 posted on 01/19/2012 3:24:32 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
I understand you have a view. We believe otherwise.

To us it's in Him With Him in the Unity of The Holy Spirit.

We ask for Prayers only.

God knows the heart of the prayer.

All Glory is to and From God we believe.

Freeper Regards!

320 posted on 01/19/2012 3:26:08 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Jvette; smvoice

>> “The Gospel isn’t something, it is SOMEONE.” <<

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In a sense, perhaps. It is that ‘someone’ crucified and arisin, seated at the right hand of the Father. That makes his blood shed on the cross our salvation, and that is the gospel.


321 posted on 01/19/2012 3:29:45 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

It seems you like setting up straw men.

You need FAITH WITH WORKS otherwise you don’t have faith or salvation. It’s that simple.

Besides St. Paul’s teachings about works are referring to the keeping of the Levitical laws, all 613 of them in fact.

(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Romans 2:13

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:20

But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Romans 2:5-6

How dare you contradict scripture.

Only an uneducated person thinks the Catholic Church teaches that salvation is by works apart from grace.


322 posted on 01/19/2012 3:30:14 PM PST by rzman21
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To: johngrace; 2nd amendment mama

>> “We ask for Prayers only.” <<

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If you had Faith you would pray to the Father yourself, and not trouble the dead ‘saint’ that can’t help you anyway:

Matt 17:20

“for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.”

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323 posted on 01/19/2012 3:39:35 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

If you had Faith you would pray to the Father yourself, and not trouble the dead ‘saint’ that can’t help you anyway:

>>If you had faith you wouldn’t trouble asking other people to pray for you, period.


324 posted on 01/19/2012 3:43:34 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21

You offer your own words of baseless opinon in place of the word of God that I just quoted to you.

It totally refutes your statements.

James was not written by James. It was written two centuries later, thus is of no value in a Biblical discussion.


325 posted on 01/19/2012 3:44:15 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor; D-fendr; Rashputin; johngrace; BenKenobi; narses

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2 Peter 3:15-16

So you reject the Book of James as scripture?

If you do. Then by what authority do decide it isn’t scripture?

Why not do the same thing with Revelation, considering that many early Christians doubted it was inspired?

It totally refutes your statements.
>>You have done no such thing. You completely ignored my quotes from St. Paul that say the same thing as St. James’s epistle.

>>If anything is baseless, it is the belief that salvation is by faith alone without deeds to confirm your faith.

It looks like you just like creating your own religion from scratch.

And I’m beginning to wonder if you are actually just an atheist who likes trouble.

Your argument is like something out of the following atheist website.
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/epistles1.htm


326 posted on 01/19/2012 4:03:18 PM PST by rzman21
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To: editor-surveyor

V. GOOD WORKS AND PRAYER 1. We believe that faith in Jesus Christ always leads a believer to produce works that are pleasing to God. “Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead” (James 2:17). As a branch in Christ the vine, a Christian produces good fruit (John 15:5).

2. We believe that works pleasing to God are works of love, for “love is the fulfillment of the law” (Romans 13:10). Faith, however, does not set up its own standards to determine what is loving (Matthew 15:9). True faith delights to do only what agrees with God’s holy will. That will of God is revealed in the Bible, particularly in the Ten Commandments as their content is repeated in the New Testament. In wrestling with current moral problems, the Christian will therefore seek answers from God’s law.

3. We believe, for example, that the Fifth Commandment teaches that all human life is a gift from God. This commandment speaks against abortion, suicide, and euthanasia (”mercy killing”).

4. We believe that the Sixth Commandment regulates marriage and the family. God instituted marriage as a lifelong union of one man and one woman (Matthew 19:4-6). It is the only proper context for sexual intimacy and the procreation of children. A marriage can be ended without sin only when God ends the marriage through the death of one of the spouses. Nevertheless, a Christian may obtain a divorce if his or her spouse has broken the marriage through adultery (Matthew 19:9) or malicious desertion (1 Corinthians 7:15). The Sixth Commandment forbids all sexual intimacy apart from marriage, including homosexuality (1 Corinthians 6:9,10).

5. We believe that individuals are free to make their own decisions concerning matters that are neither forbidden nor commanded by God’s Word (adiaphora). People must be careful, however, that their use of this freedom does not cause others to sin.

6. We believe that good works, which are fruits of faith, must be distinguished from works of civic righteousness performed by unbelievers. Although unbelievers may do much that appears to be good and upright, these works are not good in God’s sight, for “without faith it is impossible to please God” (Hebrews 11:6). While we recognize the value of such works for human society, we know that unbelievers cannot do their duty to God through works of civic righteousness.

7. We believe that in this world even the best works of Christians are tainted with sin. A sinful nature still afflicts every Christian. Therefore Christians often fail to do the good they want to do but keep on doing the evil they do not want to do (Romans 7:18-21). They must confess that all their righteous acts are like filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6). Because of Christ’s redemption, however, these imperfect efforts of Christians are considered holy and acceptable by their heavenly Father.

8. We believe that the Holy Spirit enables every believer to produce good works as fruits of faith (Galatians 5:22-25). The Holy Spirit gives every believer a new nature, or “new man,” that cooperates with the Holy Spirit in doing good works. The Holy Spirit uses the gospel to motivate believers to do good works.

9. The Holy Spirit also equips the church with all the spiritual gifts it needs for its well-being (1 Corinthians 12:4-11). During the beginning of the New Testament era, special charismatic gifts were given to the church, such as signs, miracles, and speaking in tongues. These gifts were connected with the ministry of the apostles (2 Corinthians 12:12). There is no evidence in Scripture that we today should expect the continuation of such charismatic gifts.

10. We believe that a life of prayer is a fruit of faith. Confidently, through faith in their Savior, Christians address their heavenly Father with petitions and praise. They present their needs and the needs of others, and they give thanks (1 Timothy 2:1). Such prayers are a delight to God, and he grants their requests according to his wisdom (Matthew 7:7,8; 1 John 5:14).
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12. We reject every attempt to abolish the unchanging moral law of God as revealed in the Bible as the absolute standard of what is right and wrong.

13. We reject the view that people may decide for themselves what is right and wrong apart from God’s Word. We reject any misuse of the term love to condone behavior contrary to God’s Word. We recognize these arguments as schemes of Satan to obscure the knowledge of God’s holy will and to undermine the consciousness of sin.

14. We reject any view that considers the act of praying a means of grace. Although God certainly gives good gifts to believers in answer to their prayers, he conveys his forgiving grace and strengthens faith only through the Word and sacraments. Furthermore, we reject any view that looks upon prayer as beneficial only because it helps the one who prays feel better.

15. We reject the view that all prayers are acceptable to God, and we hold that the prayers of all who do not have faith in Christ are vain babbling addressed to false gods (Matthew 6:7).

This is what Scripture teaches about good works and prayer. This we believe, teach, and confess.


327 posted on 01/19/2012 4:06:29 PM PST by rzman21
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To: Jvette; CynicalBear; presently no screen name; metmom; marbren; mitch5501; GiovannaNicoletta
If you would be willing to read some things rightly divided (2 Tim. 2:15), perhaps this could help your understanding of the Mystery, Prophecy, and the Gospel of the Grace of God.

"It is sometimes argued from Eph. 3:5 that Paul was only one of many "apostles and prophets" to whom the mystery was revealed. The words "by the Spirit" are significant in this connection. Paul first revealed the truth of the mystery "by the revelation of Jesus Christ" (Gal. 1:12, Eph. 3:3, etc). He then "went up by revelation" and communicated it to the leaders at Jerusalem (Gal. 2:2) and they "saw" and "perceived" it and gave Paul and Barnabas, his companion, "the right hands of fellowship" (Gal. 2:7,9). It was "by the SPIRIT" of course, that they "saw" and "perceived" these truths, but not until Paul had communicated them to them."

Now on to Prophecy v. Mystery:

Prophecy mainly concerns NATIONS as such (Isa. 2:4, Ezek. 37:21,22). The Mystery concerns INDIVIDUALS (Rom. 10:12,13, 2 Cor. 5:14-17).

Prophecy concerns blessings, both material and spiritual, ON EARTH (Isa. 2:3,4, 11:1-9). The Mystery concerns "all spiritual blessings IN THE HEAVENLIES" (Eph. 1:20-23, Col. 3:1-3.

Prophecy concerns Christ's COMING TO THE EARTH (Isa. 59:20, Zech. 14:4). The mystery explains Christ's present ABSENCE FROM THE EARTH ( Eph. 1:20-23, Col. 3:1-3).

In Prophecy salvation by grace through faith ALONE is not contemplated. Salvation by grace through faith ALONE lies at the very heart of the mystery (Rom. 3:21-26, 3:5, Eph. 2:8,9).

The proclamation of the prophetic program was committed particularly to the twelve (Matt. 10:5-7, Acts 1:6-8, 3:19-26). The proclamation of the mystery was commited particularly to Paul (Eph. 3:1-3,8,9, Col. 1:24-27).

The prophpetic program revealed through MANY of God's servants (Luke 1:70, 2 Pet. 1:21). The mystery revealed through ONE man: Paul.(Gal. 1:11,12, 2:2,7,9, Eph. 3:23).

Old Testament writers frequently did NOT UNDERSTAND THE PROPHECIES MADE KNOWN THROUGH THEM (Dan. 12:8-10, 1 Pet. 1:10-12. Paul both understood and longed that others might understand the mystery revealed through him. (Eph. 1:15-23, 3:14-21, Col. 1:9-10, 2:1-3). - C.R. Stam, "Things That Differ", Prophecy and the Mystery, chapter 2, pp.65,66.

The Gospel of the Grace of God:

Committed to Paul (1 Cor. 15:1-4. It contains the gospel of the grace of God, but it also contains more than that. (Rom. 16:25,26, 1 Cor. 15:1, 3,4, Eph. 3:2,3,5,6,9.

It tells us for the first time that Christ died FOR OUR SINS, was buried, and rose again the third day. Read Peter's great first sermon on the day of Pentecost. He preaches that Christ had died, was buried, and rose from the dead the third day to sit on his throne. But NOWHERE does Peter say that Christ's death was FOR OUR SINS. THAT'S THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION. Nor did Peter preach that "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God, not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph. 2:8,9). THAT'S the GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD. That Christ died FOR OUR SINS, was buried, and rose again the third day. AND that if we believe He died for OUR SINS, we are saved, by GRACE through faith, not of works, but by the GRACE OF GOD, through the finished work of Christ.

Peter did not preach this Gospel on the day of Pentecost, nor did he KNOW it until HE HEARD IT from Paul (Gal. Chapter 2). They were NOT preaching the same gospel. Read Acts 1 and 2 and find ONE passage that shows Peter sharing the GOOD NEWS that Christ died for OUR SINS. He was preaching the BAD NEWS that the Jews had killed their Messiah, but that he was risen and sitting on his throne, and COMING BACK AFTER THE WRATH OF GOD IS POURED OUT. Hardly a sermon of reconciliation. But if you believe they preached the same gospel, please show me in Scripture where they were. Just as I have shown you in Scripture where they were NOT.

328 posted on 01/19/2012 4:07:01 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: rzman21
Unity among Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglo-Catholics and certain groups of Lutherans may have enough in common to possibly unite with the Holy Spirit’s aid, but I don’t know if unity with those who who reject apostolic succession is possible.

You inexplicably left out the Non-Ephesenes (the Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East, the Ancient Church of the East, and the Caldaean Syrian Church of India). They also have apostolic succession. Of course, they're Nestorians, but since you accept the Monophysites, you certainly can't object to Nestorianism either. This was surely an oversight on your part.

329 posted on 01/19/2012 4:16:59 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: rzman21
Yes, I'm aware of your opinions on the matter. Yet they remain that.

If the Reformation is now the sole cause of mankind's present ills, and general separation from the Holiness of the Lord, then much share of the blame for it occurring must be laid at the feet of those churchmen of the Middle Ages whose own intransigence, sin, and heretical behavior in opposition to the Lord and His Ways, caused it to occur.

If the spread of atheism is the chief problem, then how can the re-institution of near unbridled power that was known by the European church of the Middle Ages be the cure?

The world has been there, and done that, and will have no more of it.

330 posted on 01/19/2012 4:17:27 PM PST by BlueDragon (on'a $10 horse an' a $40 saddle I'm going up the trail with them longhorn cattle c'm uh ty-yi-yipy-)
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To: BlueDragon

If the Reformation is now the sole cause of mankind’s present ills, and general separation from the Holiness of the Lord, then much share of the blame for it occurring must be laid at the feet of those churchmen of the Middle Ages whose own intransigence, sin, and heretical behavior in opposition to the Lord and His Ways, caused it to occur.

If the spread of atheism is the chief problem, then how can the re-institution of near unbridled power that was known by the European church of the Middle Ages be the cure?

>>Faith can never be imposed by an external force, ever. You can’t put the genie back into the bottle.


331 posted on 01/19/2012 4:22:02 PM PST by rzman21
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Christological agreements exist with both the Anti-Chalcedonians and with the Assyrian Church of the East.

So I don’t know what you are jousting after.


332 posted on 01/19/2012 4:24:00 PM PST by rzman21
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To: editor-surveyor; Jvette

AMEN, editor. It’s what He did that makes it the gospel of our salvation, and the gospel of the grace of God. He didn’t just die, was buried, and rose again the third day. He died FOR OUR SINS, was buried, and rose again the third day. THAT is what we must believe to be saved. Lazarus died, was buried and rose again. But he did not do it FOR OUR SINS. ONLY Christ could be our propitiation for sins. That it is by grace through faith in that finished work of Christ, and not of any works that we could ever hope to do, that it is the free gift of God is what makes it the gospel of the grace of God. It is both SOMEONE and SOMETHING. He did. FOR US. FREELY.


333 posted on 01/19/2012 4:25:22 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: rzman21
Christological agreements exist with both the Anti-Chalcedonians and with the Assyrian Church of the East.

So I don’t know what you are jousting after.

You mentioned every liturgical family except for them, so I thought you found them uniquely objectionable.

Apparently you blur Monophysitism and Nestorianism as easily as you do Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

334 posted on 01/19/2012 4:27:36 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: NYer
Thank you for your kind reply, but if one is to delve into "what is the truth" in regards to sola scriptura it might be best to include discussion of such by it's own adherents, rather than to rely solely upon definitions of what it is, by those whom seek to vilify the idea of it.
335 posted on 01/19/2012 4:27:48 PM PST by BlueDragon (on'a $10 horse an' a $40 saddle I'm going up the trail with them longhorn cattle c'm uh ty-yi-yipy-)
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To: editor-surveyor; rzman21
its in the scriptures.

According to you. But perhaps you're not looking at all of scripture.

“For by Grace are ye saved through Faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of god, not of works lest any man should boast.”

"Faith Alone" is not here, nor anywhere else. Elsewhere we see scripture contradicting the doctrine of Sola Fide. We can't pick one verse and ignore the others.

336 posted on 01/19/2012 5:13:52 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

If it were to be alone an underpinning, then perhaps. But it is not alone. Neither was it (reliance of canonical text foremost) demonstrated to not have been employed by some of the early patristric fathers. By which I mean, they themselves used the Gospels and the writings of Paul, along with Old Covenant texts taken together as work of record, to put down various heresies, imaginative writings, and guidance for confessions of faith which could put to rest controversy as it arose.

The collection of statements themselves were not the entire underpinning of the reformer's thoughts, expressed fears or worry at some point by Luther notwithstanding, for much of the earlier tradition was brought along in more muted fashion, as we are here on the pages of FR reminded of from time to time.

They kept the Apostle's creed, or so I'm presently persuaded to believe.

At some other juncture, perhaps I should divulge once again some of mine own testimony, how I came to be baptized by both water and the Spirit, some of mine experiences after that --- and notably, how this all occurred outside of the narrow confines of Catholicism, or any much knowledge of my own concerning what differences there are between it, and what came to be passed down through "reform" minded religious schools of thought.

These things came about not because I myself was devout or worthy, but through the grace of God.

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Other than the being raised up on the last day part, the previous portions I have experienced despite possible errors on the part of the reformers, and far outside any formally present day "Catholic" setting.

Consider if you will, how you yourself may view things to be, if such had occurred with yourself in the same manner. What might the ramifications of that be, in light of various (as critics would term them) Romish claims?

337 posted on 01/19/2012 5:17:43 PM PST by BlueDragon (on'a $10 horse an' a $40 saddle I'm going up the trail with them longhorn cattle c'm uh ty-yi-yipy-)
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To: BlueDragon; rzman21
Consider if you will, how you yourself may view things to be, if such had occurred with yourself in the same manner.

For sure, it can seem to us many ways, the way of total surrender, the way of preordained and destined, the way of guidance, or an unseen hand, or God forcing us to choose, to decide what we truly follow. Many ways, many people: God comes to us where we are.

But while this makes for good and valuable testimony, and while it is useful in teaching, it does not say how it must be for all, it doesn't make a theology or soteriology (unless Qué será, será is a plan of salvation.)

And yes, certainly the Church Fathers relied very heavily on scripture, still do. But in times of dueling verses capable of different meaning, they sought what was coherent and consistent of the faith taught by Christ to His Apostles.

And this is where the authority lies: in the Apostolic Church. If it lie in sola scriptura it lies with the individual's authority, which is where, IMHO, all the solas originated.

thanks very much for your courteous reply.

338 posted on 01/19/2012 5:30:18 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; editor-surveyor; rzman21
Salvation has ALWAYS been by faith. It was never by works.

Galatians 3 1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

339 posted on 01/19/2012 5:57:43 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Thanks for your reply.

I’m going to assume you’ve seen most if not all the scripture that contradict Sola Fide, so I won’t bother you with them again.

Enjoy.


340 posted on 01/19/2012 6:02:28 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: smvoice
Thank you smvoice. I always wondered why many catholics do not like Paul. It is a grace vs works issue. The age of grace is coming to a close. Many Catholics do not have a clue. Now is the time to have a relationship with The Lord Jesus Christ before it is too late. After the rapture you may be dead. No guarantee of second chances once grace is rejected. Rejection of Paul's teaching on the true mystery of God's grace and the need for a broken spirit heartfelt intimate relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ by the catholic religious institution is dangerous to one’s eternal destiny. Anyone with faith in the church and or Mary and not The Lord Jesus Christ ends up in hell.
341 posted on 01/19/2012 6:28:52 PM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: All
A Catholic Preacher’s Daughter Prays for Unity [Ecumenical]
On the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity
Father Z: Octave For Unity: Day 1 [Catholic Caucus}
Pope says uniting Christianity requires conversion
The Divine Office: He gave his life for the unity of the Church
[Ecumenical] Lent through Eastertide - Divine Mercy Diary Exerpts: Unity with God
Unity in the Church Through Mary(Catholic/Orthodox Caucus)

Christian Unity on Free Republic [Vanity]
Archbishop Hilarion on Christian Unity
Marking Week of Prayer, Benedict XVI Cites Four 'Pillars' for Christian Unity
On Praying for Christian Unity
On the Unity of the Church. [Church Fathers (cont'd)]
On the Unity of The Church [Church Fathers, (cont'd)]
On The Unity of The Church (cont'd)
On the Unity of the Church (Cont'd) [Church Fathers]
On the Unity of the Church. [Church Fathers]
Pontiff Looks for More Fruits in Unity Dialogue [Catholic/Lutheran]

342 posted on 01/19/2012 6:35:17 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: D-fendr

A verse or two misinterpreted out of James does not cut it especially when it contradicts the clear teaching of other Scripture.

I’ll trust in Christ and be clothed in HIS righteousness which is far better than the sin tainted offerings which is all anyone have to present to Him from their own efforts.

But go ahead and depend on your own good deeds and let us know how that works out for you.


343 posted on 01/19/2012 6:40:13 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: D-fendr

A verse or two misinterpreted out of James does not cut it especially when it contradicts the clear teaching of the rest of Scripture.

I’ll trust in Christ and be clothed in HIS righteousness which is far better than the sin tainted offerings which is all anyone have to present to Him from their own efforts.

But go ahead and depend on your own good deeds and let us know how that works out for you.


344 posted on 01/19/2012 6:41:02 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
misinterpreted

I'm not sure why some get to say what is misinterpretation but others don't. Perhaps in a while you'll be following salvation by election and proof text that system instead of the this one which you can then say is misinterpretation. Who knows?

depend on your own good deeds

Strawman again.

After all this time posting the same verses, ignoring others, throwing strawmen out to battle...

There's not much left to say except that whatever makes you feel good is fine with me.

Enjoy.

345 posted on 01/19/2012 6:47:35 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: marbren; smvoice
Thank you smvoice. I always wondered why many catholics do not like Paul. It is a grace vs works issue.

If works are not necessary, there's nothing the church can hang over the members heads to keep them in line. If it's by works, it's really a control issue. The organization then has something with which to control its adherents. You have to do THEIR good works, partake in THEIR sacraments, give to THEIR church, do what THEIR leaders say.

If it's by grace, the person is free. Free to do as the good works that God prepared for them to do for the honor and glory of God, free to think for themselves, free to worship somewhere else is they so choose, and free to do what God calls them to do.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

Romans 14:12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

346 posted on 01/19/2012 6:51:59 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: editor-surveyor
Stereotype.

You never ask for family or friends for Prayers?

How much more for prayers given by members of God's family who are in Heaven and connected to us by The Holy Spirit within us.

I pray all the time To Christ and ask for Prayers from others. I have a peace of mind because of prayers.

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Philippians 4:6-7

"Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the PEACE of God, which Transcends all Understanding, will GUARD your Hearts and your MINDS in Christ Jesus."

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"And the PEACE of God, which Transcends all Understanding, will GUARD your Hearts and your MINDS in Christ Jesus."

I Have all that PEACE because of My PRAYERS. NOT to say you can't either but I KNOW I have IT Without a DOUBT!

347 posted on 01/19/2012 7:05:32 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: smvoice
Paul did not teach Sola Fide. He could have just said it and not written to Timothy, not taught that faith and works are inseparable: One can't believe and not trust.

It's an error to ignore what he wrote and try to make Sola Fide something he did write when he just did not say it. Again:

"A thorough study of his epistles reveals that Paul used the word faith and its cognates over two hundred times in the New Testament, but not once did he couple them with the adjectival qualifiers alone or only. Are we to believe that though he intended to teach justification by faith alone, he was never convinced that he should employ the attributes of the word alone to express explicitly what he invariably meant? What would have curtailed him from such an important qualification if indeed the solitude of faith in regard to justification was on the forefront of his mind?

"A second reason that leads us to pose this critical question is that Paul used the word alone more frequently than did any other New Testament writer. Many of these instances appear right alongside the very contexts that contain teachings on faith and justification. Thus it is obvious that even while Paul was teaching about the nature of justification he was keenly aware of the word alone and its qualifying properties. This would lead us to expect that if Paul, who is usually very direct and candid in his epistles, wanted to teach unambiguously and unequivocally that man was justified by faith alone, he would be compelled to use the phrase if he thought it would make his point indisputable.

"Moreover, since Paul's writings were inspired, we must also acknowledge that the Holy Spirit likewise knew of the inherent qualifying properties of the word alone but had specific reasons for prohibiting Paul from using it in connection with faith."
--Robert A. Sungenis


348 posted on 01/19/2012 7:09:38 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: metmom

I’ll trust in Christ and be clothed in HIS righteousness which is far better than the sin tainted offerings which is all anyone have to present to Him from their own efforts

>>It seems like your actual view is being clothed in personal self-righteousness.


350 posted on 01/19/2012 7:17:13 PM PST by rzman21
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