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Pope says uniting Christianity requires conversion
cna ^ | January 18, 2012 | David Kerr

Posted on 01/18/2012 3:19:15 PM PST by NYer

Pope Benedict XVI celebrates Mass for the Feast of the Epiphany in St. Peter's Basilica on Jan. 6, 2012

Vatican City, Jan 18, 2012 / 02:15 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Pope Benedict XVI said today that achieving Christian unity requires more than “cordiality and cooperation” and that it must be accompanied by interior conversion.

“Faith in Christ and interior conversion, both individual and communal, must constantly accompany our prayer for Christian unity,” said the Pope to over 8,000 pilgrims gathered in the Vatican’s Paul VI Audience Hall on Jan. 18.

The Pope’s comments mark the start of the 2012 Week of Prayer for Christian Unity that runs until Jan. 25. It will be observed by over 300 Christian churches and ecclesial communities around the globe. 

The Pope asked for “the Lord in a particular way to strengthen the faith of all Christians, to change our hearts and to enable us to bear united witness to the Gospel.”

In this way, he said, they “will contribute to the new evangelization and respond ever more fully to the spiritual hunger of the men and women of our time.”

The Pope explained that the concept of a week of prayer for Christian unity was initiated in 1908 by Paul Wattson, an Episcopalian minister from Maryland. One year later, he became a Catholic and was subsequently ordained to the priesthood.

Pope Benedict recalled how the initiative was supported by his predecessors Pope St. Pius X and Pope Benedict XV.  It was then “developed and perfected” in the 1930s by the Frenchman Abbé Paul Couturier, who promoted prayer “for the unity of the Church as Christ wishes and according to the means he wills.”

The mandate for the week of prayer, the Pope underscored, comes from the wish of Christ himself at the Last Supper “that they may all be one.” He observed that this mission was given a particular impetus by the Second Vatican Council (1962-65) but added that “the unity we strive for cannot result merely from our own efforts.” Rather,  “it is a gift we receive and must constantly invoke from on high.”  

The theme for 2012 Week of Prayer – “All shall be changed by the victory of Jesus Christ our Lord” – was crafted by the Polish Ecumenical Council. Pope Benedict said it reflects “their own experience as a nation,” which stayed faithful to Christ “in the midst of trials and upheavals,” including years of occupation by the Nazis and later the Communists.

The Pope tied the victory the Polish people experienced over their oppressors to overcoming the disunity that marks Christians.

He said that the “unity for which we pray requires inner conversion, both shared and individual,” and it cannot be “limited to cordiality and cooperation.” Instead, Christians must accept “all the elements of unity which God has conserved for us.”

Ecumenism, the Pope stated, is not an optional extra for Catholics but is “the responsibility of the entire Church and of all the baptized.” Christians, he said, must make praying for unity an “integral part” of their prayer life, “especially when people from different traditions come together to work for victory in Christ over sin, evil, injustice and the violation of human dignity.”

Pope Benedict then touched on the lack of unity in the Christian community, which he said “hinders the effective announcement of the Gospel and endangers our credibility.” Evangelizing formerly Christian countries and spreading the Gospel to new places will be “more fruitful if all Christians together announce the truth of the Gospel and Jesus Christ, and give a joint response to the spiritual thirst of our times,” he explained.

The Pope concluded his comments with the hope that this year’s Week of Prayer for Christian Unity will lead to “increased shared witness, solidarity and collaboration among Christians, in expectation of that glorious day when together we will all be able to celebrate the Sacraments and profess the faith transmitted by the Apostles.”

The general audience finished with Pope Benedict addressing pilgrims in various languages, including  greeting a group of men and women from the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps, before leading the crowd in the Our Father and imparting his apostolic blessing.


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1 posted on 01/18/2012 3:19:16 PM PST by NYer
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To: NYer

And that’s why our Holy Father is awesome


2 posted on 01/18/2012 3:21:11 PM PST by caldera599
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...
Pope Benedict then touched on the lack of unity in the Christian community, which he said “hinders the effective announcement of the Gospel and endangers our credibility.” Evangelizing formerly Christian countries and spreading the Gospel to new places will be “more fruitful if all Christians together announce the truth of the Gospel and Jesus Christ, and give a joint response to the spiritual thirst of our times,” he explained.

IOW - United, we stand; divided, we fall.

3 posted on 01/18/2012 3:21:35 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

Will the pope be buying a Bible now?


4 posted on 01/18/2012 3:25:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: NYer

Unity among Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglo-Catholics and certain groups of Lutherans may have enough in common to possibly unite with the Holy Spirit’s aid, but I don’t know if unity with those who who reject apostolic succession is possible.


5 posted on 01/18/2012 3:28:02 PM PST by rzman21
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To: editor-surveyor

Will the pope be buying a Bible now?

>>He’s written volumes on the Bible. I think he already has a few Bibles.


6 posted on 01/18/2012 3:29:48 PM PST by rzman21
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To: NYer

I agree, conversion is required to unite Christianity.

So when will Joseph Ratzinger be converting to real Christianity?


7 posted on 01/18/2012 3:29:59 PM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: NYer

>> “IOW - United, we stand; divided, we fall.” <<

According to our Lord, its the opposite of that:

Matthew 10:

34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

[35] For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

[36] And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

[37] He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

[38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

[39] He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

[40] He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.


8 posted on 01/18/2012 3:31:44 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: rzman21

Will the pope be buying a Bible now?

>>He’s written volumes on the Bible. I think he already has a few Bibles.

You are probably right. I think a better question is, “Will the pope start OBEYING the Bible now?”


9 posted on 01/18/2012 3:33:38 PM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Above My Pay Grade; Salvation; johngrace; NYer; narses; D-fendr

“Will the pope start OBEYING the Bible now?”

>>He already does. But the question is why you need to start a thread aimed at being divisive in response to a thread about Christian unity.

We have the likes of George Soros trying to subvert all forms of Christianity in the name of pushing atheism, and you want to slam the Pope for calling Christians to humble submission and prayer for finding unity.


10 posted on 01/18/2012 3:39:09 PM PST by rzman21
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To: editor-surveyor
According to our Lord, its the opposite of that

Please show me where in scripture where Jesus formed multiple churches and said all theologies were valid.

11 posted on 01/18/2012 3:40:31 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: rzman21; Above My Pay Grade

George Soros can only hurt men’s time on this earth. The pope and others can hurt men’s eternal souls. There IS a difference.


12 posted on 01/18/2012 3:43:19 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
The True Church will always be ready to welcome you back.
13 posted on 01/18/2012 3:45:03 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Above My Pay Grade; MarkBsnr; narses; johngrace; NYer; Salvation; Fester Chugabrew; stfassisi; ...

So when will Joseph Ratzinger be converting to real Christianity?

>>Catholicism is REAL Christianity.


14 posted on 01/18/2012 3:45:21 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21

When the pope calls for unity and conversion, he means all Christians submitting to the false doctrines of Roman Catholicism...oh yeah and to HIS authority.

If he truly means that Roman Catholics should prayerfully and humbly submit to the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Apostles, eliminating all prayer to (or “with” as they claim) statues, saints, “Mary” (the “Mary” they pray to bears no resemblance to the humble woman of the Bible), worship of wafers, calling priests “Father” and even more blasphemously calling the “pope”, “Holy Father” (a name Jesus, used praying to His Father), the teaching of salvation by works, and dozens of other false doctrines and practices, then I apologize.


15 posted on 01/18/2012 3:51:55 PM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: smvoice

George Soros can only hurt men’s time on this earth. The pope and others can hurt men’s eternal souls. There IS a difference.

>>Tell me another story. The Pope saves souls. We have people here holding up their private interpretation of the Bible as if it were from God.

Sorry. Your tripe doesn’t wash.

George Soros is using his billions to fund liberal, postmodern groups that seek to undermine Protestants and Catholics alike.

So don’t tell me that George Soros’s actions don’t have eternal consequences.

My source is Tim Goeglein, Focus on the Family’s top lobbyist in Washington.


16 posted on 01/18/2012 4:00:52 PM PST by rzman21
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Repent and convert to Christianity.


17 posted on 01/18/2012 4:02:57 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21

The Pope saves souls? I thought it was the gospel that saves souls. You know, the gospel of your salvation.


18 posted on 01/18/2012 4:04:53 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice

I guess your minister doesn’t save souls then.


19 posted on 01/18/2012 4:08:56 PM PST by rzman21
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To: NYer

Would you settle for showing a half dozen or so places where the Lord condemns Roman Catholic practices?


20 posted on 01/18/2012 4:12:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: rzman21

A minister preaches the gospel of your salvation. It’s the gospel that saves you. Not the minister. My neighbor can tell me the gospel of my salvation. And it would be the gospel that saved me, not my neighbor. It’s believing the gospel, not the person who may have told you. Does the Pope preach the gospel of your salvation?


21 posted on 01/18/2012 4:12:32 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: rzman21

>> “I guess your minister doesn’t save souls then.” <<

If he could, why would we need Christ?


22 posted on 01/18/2012 4:14:35 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: smvoice

A minister preaches the gospel of your salvation. It’s the gospel that saves you. Not the minister. My neighbor can tell me the gospel of my salvation. And it would be the gospel that saved me, not my neighbor. It’s believing the gospel, not the person who may have told you.
>>You made my point for me regarding the Pope.


23 posted on 01/18/2012 4:15:04 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21

What point? That the Pope “saves souls”? I think you need to re-read your post. And does the Pope preach the gospel of your salvation?


24 posted on 01/18/2012 4:19:10 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: rzman21

When has any pope ever preached the gospel?


25 posted on 01/18/2012 4:20:52 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Would you settle for showing a half dozen or so places where the Lord Protestantism condemns Roman Catholic practices?
26 posted on 01/18/2012 4:21:18 PM PST by rzman21
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To: editor-surveyor

When has any pope ever preached the gospel?

>>They have since 60 A.D. But why should he preach Gnosticism like you do?


27 posted on 01/18/2012 4:23:07 PM PST by rzman21
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To: smvoice

What point? That the Pope “saves souls”? I think you need to re-read your post. And does the Pope preach the gospel of your salvation?

>>Define “IS”.


28 posted on 01/18/2012 4:24:49 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21

We are cammanded by God’s word to condemn Roman Catholic practices.

The Apostle Paul spent his life condemning Roman Catholic practices.


29 posted on 01/18/2012 4:24:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: rzman21; smvoice

IOW, you have no answer and must dissemble.


30 posted on 01/18/2012 4:26:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Matthew 25:31-46
King James Version (KJV)
31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


31 posted on 01/18/2012 4:32:20 PM PST by rzman21
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To: editor-surveyor
We are cammanded by God’s word to condemn Roman Catholic Evangelical practices.

The Apostle Paul spent his life condemning Roman Catholic Evangelical practices.
32 posted on 01/18/2012 4:34:42 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21

How do things look from over there on the left?


33 posted on 01/18/2012 4:35:03 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

I agree. And hope that both the Pope and you will convert to real Christianity too. The only real Christianity is that practiced by the Bushy Wood Creek Christian Church of Bethanelbow. So please come to Bushy Wood and be fully baptised and become a real Christian.

/Scasism-off/


34 posted on 01/18/2012 4:35:54 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

It sounds like you’ve made quite a few assertions. Time for you to back them with facts. Cold, hard, historical, objective facts. Ones that others can read for themselves, as opposed to the “global warming”-type of hoohah. IF you can. Otherwise, the phrase “whistling Dixie” comes to mind. Especially silly in a thread about Christian unity.


35 posted on 01/18/2012 4:36:26 PM PST by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: editor-surveyor

How do things look from over there on the left?

>>You tell me.


36 posted on 01/18/2012 4:36:47 PM PST by rzman21
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To: Above My Pay Grade
The early Christian martyrs died for the beliefs you, and other modernists, so callously ridicule.

"And this food is called among us the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, This do in remembrance of Me, this is My body; and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, This is My blood; and gave it to them alone."
--c. 140, St. Justin Martyr, beheaded c.165, addressed to the Roman Emperor.

37 posted on 01/18/2012 4:40:33 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: NYer
Religious pride is a stench in God's nose. When Jesus was on earth, the only group that He harshly rebuked were those blinded by their religious pride. I will place my faith in God's Word before any tradition of men. A church, any church, does not have the authority to save anyone. God is no respecter of persons. The authority the believer has in Christ is not subject to a title or denomination. It's subject to Christ the hope of glory working in the believer. With all respect to the Pope and my Catholic friends, to say we will achieve unity when all Christians become members of the R.C. Church is ridiculous on its face. It's like saying a marriage certificate makes a good marriage. In both cases, unity in Christ or a good marriage, the HEART is the heart of the matter. The fact remains that much of Roman Catholic doctrine is repugnant to non-Catholics - and vice-versa. Name calling from either side of the fence is counter-productive. Thank goodness the Roman Catholic and Protestant churches no longer have the authority to burn their perceived enemies.

"Lord, do you want us to bid fire come down from heaven and consume them? But he turned and rebuked them." Luke 9:54-55
38 posted on 01/18/2012 4:42:05 PM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: rzman21

Can’t, you’re so far over there on the left that those of us here on the right have no idea what’s happening to you - looks like lotsa smoke.


39 posted on 01/18/2012 4:49:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: D-fendr

Ol’ Justin was quoting the traditions of fallible men.

He would have done better to have quoted God’s word, “faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”

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40 posted on 01/18/2012 4:54:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: rzman21; smvoice
I guess your minister doesn’t save souls then.

Where did you ever get that perverted idea...No minister or pope saves souls...

41 posted on 01/18/2012 4:56:29 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: D-fendr
The early Christian martyrs died for the beliefs you, and other modernists, so callously ridicule.

And they died in vain...

42 posted on 01/18/2012 4:59:06 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: rzman21

Why not accept the unity under the Headship of Christ? Does every church have to be under one organization?


43 posted on 01/18/2012 5:01:36 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Ol’ Justin was quoting the traditions of fallible men.

Said the fallible man who follows the traditions started by fallible men 1500 years after Our Lord, His Apostles and His Church.

44 posted on 01/18/2012 5:01:54 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: NYer

‘added that “the unity we strive for cannot result merely from our own efforts.” Rather, “it is a gift we receive and must constantly invoke from on high.”’

If he’s saying it would take a miracle to reunite Christians, then I think he is right.


45 posted on 01/18/2012 5:02:10 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Iscool
And they died in vain...

I don't reply to your pings because your posts are sufficient condemnations of your beliefs on their own. This one I make an exception for because it is shameful far beyond what I thought you capable of. You've outdone yourself.

Continue on.

46 posted on 01/18/2012 5:04:59 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Nope!

Word of God only!

Men fail; that is why the Lord condemned following traditions.


47 posted on 01/18/2012 5:05:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: All; smvoice
PhotobucketDo You Confess Jesus Christ Came in the Flesh/Human?

We Confess Jesus Christ came in The Flesh/Human every Sunday Mass.

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Does you Church confess with everyone standing up as a Pledge to Jesus Christ. We do. You can only say and mean it if you have the Holy Spirit.

I left and went to Indy churches and came back. NO! Not one would firmly confess Jesus Christ while standing in public assembly. This is one of the many reasons Why I came back? Because we firmly confess Jesus is Lord and Savior who came as a Human.

St John The Apostle1 John 4

1Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2By this is the spirit of God known. Every spirit which confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is of God:

3And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world.

4You are of God, little children, and have overcome him. Because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

5They are of the world: therefore of the world they speak, and the world heareth them.

6We are of God. He that knoweth God, heareth us. He that is not of God, heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

7Dearly beloved, let us love one another, for charity is of God. And every one that loveth, is born of God, and knoweth God.

8He that loveth not, knoweth not God: for God is charity.

9By this hath the charity of God appeared towards us, because God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we may live by him.

10In this is charity: not as though we had loved God, but because he hath first loved us, and sent his Son to be a propitiation for our sins.

11My dearest, if God hath so loved us; we also ought to love one another.

12No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abideth in us, and his charity is perfected in us.

13In this we know that we abide in him, and he in us: because he hath given us of his spirit.

14And we have seen, and do testify, that the Father hath sent his Son to be the Saviour of the world.

15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God abideth in him, and he in God.

16And we have known, and have believed the charity, which God hath to us. God is charity: and he that abideth in charity, abideth in God, and God in him.

17In this is the charity of God perfected with us, that we may have confidence in the day of judgment: because as he is, we also are in this world.

18Fear is not in charity: but perfect charity casteth out fear, because fear hath pain. And he that feareth, is not perfected in charity.

19Let us therefore love God, because God first hath loved us.

20If any man say, I love God, and hateth his brother; he is a liar. For he that loveth not his brother, whom he seeth, how can he love God, whom he seeth not?

21And this commandment we have from God, that he, who loveth God, love also his brother.

PhotobucketHERE IS THE CONFESSION:

Which we confess every Sunday in the personal Pronoun

The Biblical Confession 1 John 4 of Faith.

I believe in one God the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages.

God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God,

begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through Him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation He came down from heaven.

(at the following words, up to and including “and became man”, all bow) and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.

For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate, He suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.

He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead.

His kingdom will have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life who proceeds from the Father and the Son,

who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets;

And in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.

Amen.

48 posted on 01/18/2012 5:08:09 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Iscool

Whatever.


49 posted on 01/18/2012 5:09:25 PM PST by rzman21
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50 posted on 01/18/2012 5:09:38 PM PST by narses
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