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Posted on 01/18/2012 3:19:15 PM PST by NYer
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Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered them, You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God.
Jeremiah 23:29 "Is not My word like fire," declares the LORD, "and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?
"For the Word of God is ALIVE and ACTIVE, sharper than any double-edged sword, piercing until it divides soul and spirit, joints and marrow, as it judges the thoughts and purposes of the heart."
"The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the LORD hath made even both of them" -- Proverbs 20:12
Well said, dear Alamo-girl! God STILL speaks to us through his word and we hear it with Spirit-tuned ears and heart.
Good morning AG.
I appreciate your thoughts on this, but I think that since you have not been in on this discussion, you may be misunderstanding the points being made by me.
I do not oppose reading Scripture, obviously I find it to be one of the best things a follower of Christ can do to better know Him and to better follow Him.
The point is that neither Scripture nor Jesus ever says that one MUST read Scripture in order to have faith or as a sign of one’s faith.
Scripture is a great gift, but there are many who cannot read it, yet they have great faith.
Please do not make the mistake of thinking that I do not advocate reading Scripture. Unless you have gone back and read ALL the posts that have led us here, you don’t have the whole picture of the discussion.
And, please do not let others here who love to misconstrue and mischaracterize what I have written lead you to believe that I disdain the reading of Scripture or do not think it is a profound and holy activity.
No one has mentioned your views to me nor have I read the discussion leading up to that question.
Thank you, AG, hope you are feeling better.
I do so appreciate your always gracious contributions.
I agree that without the Spirit, one can read and/or hear Scripture and not know Jesus the Christ.
I’m sorry if it seemed I was annoyed by your post, I wasn’t.
I just wanted to make my position clear since you obviously had not read all that led up to the question to which you responded.
Always a pleasure:)
It seems to me that the whole point is being missed in this controversy.
It's not which is more important whther it's the reading of hearing. What counts is it being the wrod of God, no matter what the mode of entry into the mind.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
It looks like all the emphasis is on the wrong thing, how it gets into the heart and mind, and not on what IS the important thing, WHAT (the Word) is getting into the heart and mind.
Ephesians 5:25-27 25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.
Missing the point?
Maybe you need to go back a reread what led us here.
It was never a question of how one hears the Word.
You asserted that you would question the faith, and therefore the salvation of one who did not read Scripture.
Have you forgotten that?
This passage underscores the point for me:
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. - I Cor 2:6-16
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? - Matthew 16:23-26
But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her. Luke 10:38-42
Every word that comes from the mouth of God; God-breathed, Holy Spirit inspired Scripture.
If some one comes to Christ through any religion, it's because they heard Scripture through that religion.
People come to God in spite of religion, not because of it, when they hear or read the Wrod of God. That's where the power is.
Which again bring us to the crux of the discussion.
There are faithful people who do not regularly read Scripture on their own, for whatever reasons they may have.
I asked if Jesus or the Apostles ever said that one must read Scripture.
I agree that reading Scripture is a valuable endeavor for those who can, but it is not a requirement of faith.
The discussion came about because metmom said that a person of faith must read Scripture or their faith was suspect and therefore, their salvation could be in doubt.
I challenged her to show how that assertion was in line with “faith alone” as reading Scripture is an action or a “work” if you will, and to show where believers are told they must read Scripture.
Now, we hear from her that how one receives the Word of God is not important, which is total reversal of her earlier statement.
The WORD from the mouth of God; God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired Scripture.
If anyone finds Christ in religion, it's BECAUSE of the Scripture they hear there. It's in spite of the religion not because of it.
An ill motive does not diminish the power of His words:
What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. - Phl 1:15-18
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. - John 11:49-52
The elderly, for instance, may have lost much or all of their vision. But the faithful, Christian elderly will still meditate on His words.
Does he need a copy of the Bible or a newer translation or bigger print? If so he should ask because surely someone will give him one if he cannot afford to buy his own.
Has his life become dominated by cares of the world? If so he should pray about. If he can find time to groom himself surely he can find time to read God's words. After all, God's words are the "needful part."
God's Name is I AM.
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