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Catholic Sources and the Declaration of Independence - Democracy not a "child of the Reformation"
Our Sunday Visitor via Catholic Education Resource Center ^ | 1930 | REV. JOHN C. RAGER, S.T.D.

Posted on 02/02/2012 6:27:03 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

Catholic Sources and the Declaration of Independence

REV. JOHN C. RAGER, S.T.D.

The American Declaration of Independence, which is so admirable and dignified an expression of the American mind, is at the same time an accurate expression of the Catholic mind, medieval and modern.

The general historical background, which projected the American Declaration of Independence, is well known. There has been much discussion, however, concerning the parentage, direct and indirect, of the political principles that make the American Declaration what it is, “that most wonderful work ever struck off at a given moment by the hand and purpose of man.”

Two facts concerning this question, this paper hopes to restate and summarize rather than prove. They are:

First, the certainty and fact, beyond reasonable denial, that for many centuries prior to the American Declaration, the principles enunciated in it are identically the political thought and theory predominant and traditional among representative Catholic churchmen, and not the political thought and inspiration of the politico-religious revolt of the sixteenth century, nor of the later social-contract or compact theories.

In the second place, this paper would re-assert the existence of sufficient reasons to believe that the framers of the Declaration of Independence drew inspiration, encouragement, and political ideals from Catholic sources, particularly from the political principles of the Blessed Cardinal Bellarmine.

The knowledge and spread of these two outstanding facts deserve promotion, partly, in order to give credit where credit in justice belongs; principally, however, in order to dispel that erroneous notion, which haunts many American minds, that approximately one-fifth of the American population, if loyal to its religious affiliation, cannot be loyally and thoroughly American. So long as this erroneous idea prevails, the highest ideals of Americanism, of national unity and solidarity in thought, feeling and action, can never be attained, and the proud claim, that this is the “land of the noble free,” is, at least in part, but an empty boast. It is in the spirit and interest of a larger and more idealistic Americanism, that this paper is offered.

“If the American Declaration is 'an expression of the American mind,' it is to say the least, something remarkable,” says Allred O'Rahilly, “that it should be such an accurate transcript of the Catholic mind.” Elsewhere he states that a laborious investigation on his part revealed that from the thirteenth to the nineteenth century some 139 Catholic philosophers and theologians uphold the democratic principle that government is based on the consent of the governed. (Only seven of doubtful orthodoxy reject the principle.)


Striking parallels

It will suffice for our purpose to consult, in detail, but two Catholic churchmen who stand out as leading lights for all time. The one is representative of medieval learning and thought, the other stood on the threshold of the medieval and modern world. They are St. Thomas Aquinas of the thirteenth century and the Blessed Cardinal Robert Bellarmine of the sixteenth century (1542-1621). The following comparisons, clause for clause, of the American Declaration of Independence and of excerpts from the political principles of these noted ecclesiastics, evidence striking similarity and identity of political principle.


Equality of man

Declaration of Independence: “All men are created equal; they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.”

Bellarmine: “All men are equal, not in wisdom or grace, but in the essence and nature of mankind” (“De Laicis,” c.7) “There is no reason why among equals one should rule rather than another” (ibid.). “Let rulers remember that they preside over men who are of the same nature as they themselves.” (“De Officus Princ.” c. 22). “Political right is immediately from God and necessarily inherent in the nature of man” (“De Laicis,” c. 6, note 1).

St. Thomas: “Nature made all men equal in liberty, though not in their natural perfections” (II Sent., d. xliv, q. 1, a. 3. ad 1).


The function of government

Declaration of Independence: “To secure these rights governments are instituted among men.”

Bellarmine: “It is impossible for men to live together without someone to care for the common good. Men must be governed by someone lest they be willing to perish” (“De Laicis,” c. 6).

St. Thomas: “To ordain anything for the common good belongs either to the whole people, or to someone who is the viceregent of the whole people” (Summa, la llae, q. 90, a. 3).


The source of power

Declaration of Independence: “Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

Bellarmine: “It depends upon the consent of the multitude to constitute over itself a king, consul, or other magistrate. This power is, indeed, from God, but vested in a particular ruler by the counsel and election of men” (“De Laicis, c. 6, notes 4 and 5). “The people themselves immediately and directly hold the political power” (“De Clericis,” c. 7).

St. Thomas: “Therefore the making of a law belongs either to the whole people or to a public personage who has care of the whole people” (Summa, la llae, q. 90, a. 3). “The ruler has power and eminence from the subjects, and, in the event of his despising them, he sometimes loses both his power and position” (“De Erudit. Princ.” Bk. I, c. 6).


The right to change the government

Declaration of Independence: “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government...Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient reasons.”

Bellarmine: “For legitimate reasons the people can change the government to an aristocracy or a democracy or vice versa” (“De Laicis,” c. 6). “The people never transfers its powers to a king so completely but that it reserves to itself the right of receiving back this power” (Recognitio de Laicis, c. 6).

St Thomas: “If any society of people have a right of choosing a king, then the king so established can be deposed by them without injustice, or his power can be curbed, when by tyranny he abuses his regal power” (“De Rege et Regno,” Bk. I, c. 6).


Democracy not modern thought

Democracy then is not a discovery of modern political thought. Its sources are to be sought in ancient and medieval theories of government. Christianity injected something into the governments of nations that worked for democracy, that emphasized the natural equality and liberty of men. We can think of real Christianity only as democratic, never as aristocratic or autocratic. The Middle Ages were democratic and the Middle Ages were Catholic. Western civilized Europe was Catholic for a round thousand years. The doctrine of St. Thomas, as just quoted, gives eloquent testimony of the democratic political thought representative of that age.

Reputable historians freely attest the democracy of political theory and practice in the Middle Ages. Otto Goerke states: “An ancient and generally entertained opinion regarded the will of the people as the source of temporal power; political authority by Divine grant and absolute power was wholly foreign to the Middle Ages.” (Political Theories of the Middle Ages, pp. 38-39). “Medieval doctrine gave to the monarch a representative character” (ibid. p. 61). Dr. A. J. Carlyle asserts, “The emperor derived his authority, ultimately, no doubt, from God, but immediately from the nation, and this fact [he adds], requires no serious demonstration” (Hist. Med. Pol. Theory in the West, Vol. I, p. 292, and Vol III, p. 153). Carlton J. H. Hayes writes “Constitutional limitation was a medieval tradition” (Pol. And Scc. Hist. Of Med. Europe, Vol. I, p. 264). Lord Acton says, “Looking back over the space of a thousand years, which we call the Middle Ages, we find that representative government was almost universal. Absolute power was deemed more intolerable and more criminal than slavery.”


The divine right of kings

The question might be asked: Why was it at all necessary for men in the eighteenth century to make such emphatic declarations of democratic rights? The answer is: Because the two preceding centuries had fairly destroyed the ancient rights of the people and the medieval democratic principle of government by popular consent. In its place there was elaborated at that time the new theory of the “Divine Right of Kings” which enthroned royal autocracy and absolute monarchy. The sixteenth and seventeenth centuries witnessed the era of political revolution and the great struggle between democratic representative government and monarchic absolutism. At the close of the sixteenth century the existence and preponderance of monarchy was well recognized, but the question to be solved was: Should royal monarchical power, as the “Divine Right” theorists expounded it, become absolute; should it so decisively prevail that the other two elements of recognized government, viz., aristocracy and democracy, be completely discarded from the political world; or, should a combination of the three, which had hitherto existed, continue? Unbiased historical research reveals that Catholic political thinkers — men like Suarez (1548-1617), Mariana (1536-1624), Mollsa (1535-1600), Robert Persons (1546-1610), Toletus (1535-1600), Banez (1528-1604), Gregory of Valencia (1540-1603), (who lived between the years of 1528-1624), stood prominently on the side of democratic principle and the rights of the people. The ancient Church which is often depicted as retarding modern enlightenment, liberty, and democracy, was the very agency which produced the great protagonists of democracy in the period of its greatest danger and saved out of the democracy of the Middle Ages what might be termed the seed-thought for the resowing and growth of democratic principle and practice among the nations of modern times.

The most prominent and powerful defender in the late sixteenth and early seventeenth centuries, of the traditional and medieval democratic principle of popular sovereignty and right, was the illustrious and learned Jesuit Cardinal, the Blessed Robert Bellarmine. “Monarchy will be defended for its own sake,” says Figgis, “when Bellarmine and Suarez have elaborated their theory of popular sovereignty” (Divine Right of Kings, p. 92).


Democracy not a "child of the Reformation"

Modern democracy is often asserted to be the child of the Reformation. Nothing is farther from the truth. Robert Filmer, private theologian of James I of England, in his theory of Divine right, proclaimed, “The king can do no wrong. The most sacred order of kings is of Divine right.” John Neville Figgis, who seems little inclined to give Catholicism undue credit, makes the following assertions. “Luther based royal authority upon Divine right with practically no reservation” (“Gerson to Grotius,” p. 61). “That to the Reformation was in some sort due the prevalence of the notion of the Divine Right of Kings is generally admitted.” (“Divine Right of Kings,” p. 15). “The Reformation had left upon the statute book an emphatic assertion of unfettered sovereignty vested in the king” (ibid. p. 91). “Luther denied any limitation of political power either by Pope or people, nor can it be said that he showed any sympathy for representative institutions; he upheld the inalienable and Divine authority of kings in order to hew down the Upas tree of Rome.” “There had been elaborated at this time a theory of unlimited jurisdiction of the crown and of non-resistance upon any pretense” (Cambridge Modern History, Vol III, p. 739). “Wycliffe would not allow that the king be subject to positive law” (Divine Right of Kings, p. 69). Lord Acton wrote: “Lutheran writers constantly condemn the democratic literature that arose in the second age of the Reformation.”...”Calvin judged that the people were unfit to govern themselves, and declared the popular assembly an abuse” (History of Freedom, p. 42).

A closer study of the Declaration of Independence discloses its dissimilarity with the social-contract or compact theories as explained with slight variations, by Rousseau, Hobbes, Locke, Puffendorf, Althusius, Grotius, Hooker, Kant, or Fichte. The American Declaration, like the political doctrine of Cardinal Bellarmine, declared political power as coming, in the first instance, from God, but as vested in a particular ruler by consent of the multitude or the people as a political body. The social-contract or compact theories sought the source of political power in an assumed social contract or compact by which individual rights contributed or yielded their individual rights to create a public right. Contracts of individuals can create individual rights only, not public or political rights. According to the American Declaration and Cardinal Bellarmine, government implies powers which never belonged to the individual and which, consequently, he could never have conferred upon society. The individual surrenders no authority. Sovereignty receives nothing from him. Government maintains its full dignity, it is of Divine origin, but vested in one or several individuals by popular consent.

The names of Montesquieu, Rousseau, and James Berg are often mentioned as possibly having influenced the spirit and contents of our American Declaration. The “Spirit of Laws” by Montesquieu, though read in America, did not present that theory of government which was sought by the Fathers of our Country. Rousseau's writings were less widely known than Montesquieu's. George Mason, not knowing French, in all probability never read the “Contract social” nor had Rousseau's writings obtained currency in Virginia in 1776. The book of James Berg appeared in 1775, rather too late to have rendered service in May of 1776, even if it had discussed such general principles as are laid down in these two American Declarations.


Didi Jefferson know of Bellarmine?

The second part of this paper would reassert the existence of sufficient reasons to believe that the framers of the Declaration of Independence drew inspiration and political ideals of democracy from the political doctrines of Cardinal Bellarmine, whose writings were well known and discussed on both sides of the Atlantic.

Prof. David S. Schaff, now lecturer of American church history in Union Theological Seminary, New York, does not only question the probability that the framers of our American Declaration might have derived some of their ideas and fundamentals of popular sovereignty from Catholic sources, and from the political writings of Cardinal Bellarmine in particular, but he even goes so far as to misstate completely the Cardinal's political utterances. The New York Times in its issue of December 28, 1926, summarizing the contents of Professor Schaff's address at the twentieth annual conference of the American Society of Church History, quotes him as “assailing the theory which associates the work of the Jesuit Cardinal Bellarmine with Jefferson and through him with the Declaration of Independence.” “The refutation of this legend,” Professor Schaff is quoted as saying, “lay first in the fact that, as far as we know, Jefferson never had access to any book of Bellarmine.” The writer of this paper sent to the Editor of the New York Times the following letter which received no publication, however, as far as could be learned. The letter in substance was the following:

With the hope of contributing a bit of information on this subject, permit the undersigned to state that the Congressional Library still possesses a copy of Patriarcha a book which once stood on the library shelf of Thomas Jefferson. Patriarcha, was written by Robert Filmer, the private theologian of James I of England in defense of the Divine Right of Kings and principally in refutation of the Jesuit Cardinal Bellarmine's political principles of popular sovereignty. If Jefferson ever opened this book, which he possessed, he read the following on the title page: "Partiacha, or the natural power of kings by the learned Sir Robert Filmer London, 1680

The Contents

Chapter I

  1. The tenet of the Natural liberty of the people. New, plausible and dangerous.

  2. The question stated out of Bellarmine and some contradictions of his noted.

  3. Bellarmine's argument answered out of Bellarmine himself.

Chapter II

It is unnatural for the people to govern or choose governors

  1. Aristotle examined abut the freedom of the people.

  2. Suarez disputes against the regality of Adam.

  3. Suarez contradicting Bellarmine.

Chapter III

Positive laws do not infringe the fatherly power of kings, etc....

Four times Bellarmine's name is mentioned in bold print on this contents page of Patriarcha. The first chapter of Patriarcha is again prefaced with its table of contents and Bellarmine's name appears on it three times. Then, if Jefferson read the first lines of the chapter he read this:

“Since the time that school divinity began to flourish there hath been a common opinion maintained, as well by divines, as by diverse other learned men which affirms `Mankind is naturally endowed and born with Freedom, and at liberty to choose what form of Government it please: And that the Power which any one Man hath over others, was at first bestowed according to the discretion of the Multitude.'

“This tenet was first hatched in the schools and hath been fostered by all succeeding papists for good divinity.”

If Jefferson ever read as many as four pages of this book, he read on the fourth page, the following:

To make evident the Grounds of this Question, about the Natural Liberty of Mankind, I will lay down some passages of Cardinal Bellarmine, that may best unfold the State of this controversie. Secular or Civil Power (saith he) is instituted by man; It is in the people, unless they bestow it on a Prince. This Power is immediately in the whole Multitude, as in the subject of it; for this Power is in Divine Law, but the Divine Law hath given this Power to no particular man. If the Positive Law be taken away, there is left no Reason why amongst a Multitude (who are Equal) one rather than another should bear Rule over the Rest. It depends upon the Consent of the Multitude to ordain over themselves a King, Counsel or other Magistrates; and if there be a lawful cause the multitude may change the Kingdom into an Aristocracy or Democracy. Thus far Bellarmine; in which passages are comprised the strength of all that I have read or heard produced for the Natural Liberty of the Subject.

Would not Jefferson, who was seeking a formulation of “the natural liberties of the subject,” be attracted to read and re-read this quotation from Bellarmine which “comprised the strength of all that had ever been produced for the natural liberty of the subject”? And does not the American Declaration reflect strikingly this very passage of Bellarmine quoted by Filmer and lying open before the eyes of Jefferson?


Referred to by Sidney

Jefferson also had in his library a handsome folio of 497 pages of the discourses of Algernon Sidney. Sidney was very popular and much read in the Immediate years preceding 1776. If Jefferson read the opening sentence of Sidney, he read again about Filmer's denunciation of the democratic theories of Bellarmine and the Schoolmen. The opening sentence of Sidney's discourse ran:

Having lately seen a book entitled Patriarcha, written by Sir Robert Filmer, concerning the universal and undistinguished right of all kings, I thought a time of leisure might well be employed in examining his doctrine and the questions arising from it; which seems so far to concern all mankind.

Commenting on the quotation in Patriarcha from Cardinal Bellarmine, Sidney remarked of Filmer:

He absurdly imputes to the School Divines that which was taken up by them as a common notion, written in the heart of every man, denied by none, but such as were degenerated into beasts. The school men could not lay more approved foundations than that man is naturally free; that he cannot justly be deprived of that liberty without cause; that only those governments can be called Just which are established by the consent of nations.

Another treatise on government as widely read but not so popular was John Locke's “Two Treatises on Government.” Like Sidney, Locke wrote in reply to Filmer. Locke himself states on the title page that in his two treatises “the false principles and foundation of Sir Robert Filmer and his followers are detected and overthrown.” Giving his own views Locke wrote, “Men being, as has been said, by nature all free, equal, and independent, no one can be put out of this estate, and subjected to the political power of another without his own consent.” Lord Acton in his “History of Freedom” (p. 82), remarks, “The greater part of the political ideas of Milton, Locke, and Rousseau, may be found in the ponderous Latin of Jesuits.”


Jefferson read works quoting Bellarmine

Whether Jefferson ever read any of the original works of Cardinal Bellarmine would be difficult to assert or to deny. In the Library of Princeton University there was, however, a copy of Cardinal Bellarmine's works in the days of Jefferson. James Madison, a member of the committee which drafted the Virginia Declaration of Rights was a graduate of Princeton in 1771, and certainly had access to Bellarmine's works. This copy, David Schaff states, was destroyed by fire in 1802. It is not so certain, then, that Jefferson and Madison had no possible access to the original writings of Bellarmine, and it is quite possible that in their studies of philosophy, law, and government, they may have investigated the original writings of Bellarmine, of whom they read in Filmer's Patriarcha, in Sidney's Noble Book, and Locke's Two Treatises on Government. Bellarmine's “disputations,” in words of William A. Dunning (“Hist. Of Pol. Theories,” p. 128), “covered systematically all the prominent issues of the time, theological, ecclesiastical, political, and constituted a formidable arsenal of arguments.” Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, the framers and builders of our American Constitution, could not have been ignorant of Sidney, Locke, Filmer, and Bellarmine. “Locke and Sidney,” says Dr. Figgis (trans. Royal Hist. Soc., XI, 1897, 94), “if they did not take their political faith bodily from Suarez or Bellarmine, managed in a remarkable degree to conceal the difference between the two.”


Did professor Schaff read Bellarmine?

Dr. Schaff is further quoted as stating that “the Churchmen's [Bellarmine's] idea of government was quite unlike Jefferson's because the former believed in one chiefly of monarchy” and that “the theory of popular authority and its origin was entirely apart from Cardinal Bellarmine and his writings, it being developed in Geneva and spreading through the Huguenots,” etc.

In his De Romani Pontificis Ecclesiastica Monarchia, Bk. I, c. 1, the Cardinal writes, “Monarchy theoretically and in the abstract, monarchy in the hands of God who combines in Himself all the qualifications of an ideal ruler, is indeed a perfect system of government; in the hands of imperfect man, however, it is exposed to many defects and abuses. A government tempered, therefore, by all three basic forms (i.e., monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy), a mixed government, is, on account of the corruption of human nature more useful than simple monarchy.” Bellarmine in his De Officio Principis, c. 22, points out the dangers and defects of absolute monarchy, and after describing how God refused to grant the Israelites a king (I Kings, viii, 7-19), concludes, “All these incidents clearly indicate that God did not desire his people to have absolute kings as the Gentiles had them, because He foresaw that they would abuse such power.” That Bellarmine was not on the side of monarchy should need no proof. John Neville Figgis (Divine Right of Kings, p. 92) incidentally states, “Monarchy will be defended for its own sake when Bellarmine and Suarez have elaborated their theory of popular sovereignty.”

The theory of popular authority and its origin was entirely apart from Cardinal Bellarmine and his writings,” is a statement that could be made only by one who had never read a line of Cardinal Bellarmine's political writings. If there is anything for which the Cardinal is noted in the field of political philosophy, it is for his theory and defense of popular sovereignty.

In view of the arbitrary and despotic rule established by Calvin in Geneva over the consciences and natural liberties of men, it is difficult to associate the origins of civil and religious liberty and of popular sovereignty with Geneva and to regard it as a cradle of democracy. Lord Acton (“History of Freedom,” p. 42) wrote, “Calvin judged that the people are unfit to govern themselves and declared the popular assembly an abuse.” The principles of democracy antedate by many centuries the Geneva of the sixteenth century. John Neville Figgis in his Political Thought of the Sixteenth Century (Cambridge Modern History, Vol. III, p. 761), wrote, “The Huguenot movement (which proceeded from Geneva) was not democratic.”


Not a mere legend

In the opening paragraph of the full reprint of Professor Schaff's paper entitled “The Bellarmine-Jefferson Legend and the Declaration of Independence,” he assumes that the whole claim, which identifies American principles of government with prior political thought and theory of Catholic political thinkers, had its origin in the article of Gaillard Hunt, printed in the Catholic Historical Review of October, 1917, and he gratuitously calls it a legend. Mr. Hunt's argument does not purport to be a conclusive and only argument; it is rather an additional than a first argument, a strong bit of circumstantial evidence corroborative of the fact and contention that Catholic and medieval principles of democratic government have played themselves very strikingly into the American democracy and are actually there embodied.

In this paper Professor Schaff further states, “If we compare the positions laid down by the Cardinal and the American principles of government, it will be found that they are in essential matters disparate.” The above comparisons, clause for clause, and the many quotations from Cardinal Bellarmine, sufficiently demonstrate the complete erroneousness of such a statement.


The power of the people

Professor Schaff again makes the statement, “The Cardinal took the position that the power which rests originally in the people remains in the people only until the people have chosen or accepted a ruler. Once the ruler is established, the power of the people stops. The ruler is absolute, and is not amenable to the people.” The very opposite is again true. In several places the Cardinal insists that “a people never so completely transfers its power to a king but that it reserves to itself the right to withdraw it.” Populis nunquam itu transferi potestatem suam in regem quin dom sibi in habitu retineal. (Apologia,” c. 13). In his Recognitio De Laicis he adds, Ut in certis casibus etiam sciu recipere possit. “So that in certain cases the people can actually receive back this power.” In several other passages the Cardinal, as quoted, defends the right of a people, for legitimate reasons, to depose a ruler or to change the entire form of government.

Professor Schaff states that the “general position taken by Bellarmine, that it is for the people to choose their form of government, was not original with the Cardinal.” I know of no one who has ever claimed that the theory of popular sovereignty was original with the Cardinal, or even with St. Thomas Aquinas 300 years earlier. The claim made is that he was an ardent advocate and defender of the principle of popular government against the Divine-Right theorists of his time, and that he analyzed, defined, and elucidated most clearly and strikingly that ancient and medieval principle of sovereignty by consent of the people, when it was in its greatest danger.

Another statement of Professor Schaff is, “In passing it is to be noted that Bellarmine says nothing whatever abut Parliaments.” In “De Conciliis et Ecclesia,” c. 3, Bellarmine says, “When a controversy arises in a republic the princes and magistrates of the realm come together and determine what action should be taken. Again in De Romani Pontificis Ecclesiastica Monarchia, c. 3, we read: “Since one man cannot attend to all matters of state, he must distribute these powers. While it is evident that monarchy contains necessary features of government, yet all love that form of government best in which they can participate. Of the utility of such a government, we need scarcely speak.” In the tenth chapter of De Laicis he states: “Laws are generally the combined judgment and experience of several wise men; the king's command is the judgment of one man and it may be rash. Legislators are less exposed to favoritism or bias. A ruler may be influenced by friends, relatives, bribes, or fear.” Bellarmine could not have been ignorant of parliamentary law. Stubbs in his “Constitutional History of England,” Vol. III, p. 388, states: “The rules and forms or parliamentary procedure had before the close of the Middle Ages begun to acquire that permanency and fixedness of character which in the eyes of later generations had risen to the sanctity of law.” (Cardinal Bellarmine was born in 1542 and died in 1621.)

Again he quotes the Cardinal as terming democracy the worst form of government. The Cardinal did make such a statement concerning simple and absolute democracy, which, he says, would lead to mob violence and the worst form of tyranny. Concerning it he quotes Plato as saying, “Who can be happy living under the arbitrary will of the crowd?” The democracy of today is far from being pure and absolute democracy. It embodies much of the monarchic and aristocratic forms of government. The type of government which the Cardinal does advocate is really a mixed government which he calls “the more useful form of government” — an adoption and combination of what is best in each of the three basic forms and a discarding of what is worst. From the monarchic element he would adopt and embody into this mixed form of government enough to insure order, peace, strength, endurance, and efficiency. From the aristocratic type of government he would borrow such features as would supply for many of the natural limitations of a one-man rule. “With the assistance of the best men of the land,” he says, “the ruler may procure wise counsel.” From the element of democracy he insists stringently upon the fundamental political principle, underlying all governments which can in any way be called democratic, the principle of sovereignty by the consent and election of the people. So much of democracy does he fuse into this “more useful” form of government that his political philosophy resents all the fundamental features of modern democratic government.


Summary

In final summary, then, the American Declaration, which was so admirable and dignified an expression of the American mind is at the same time an accurate expression of the Catholic mind, medieval and modern. This statement does not wish to infer that the American Declaration is not an expression as well of the non-Catholic American mind.

In the second place the formulator of the American Declaration of Independence, did actually possess such books on theories of government as were universally known and read, especially by political students, which book prominently mentioned the name of a Catholic, Cardinal Bellarmine, and discussed and quoted his and the Catholic Schoolmen's political theories. “Patriarcha” concerns itself principally with the refutation of Cardinal's political doctrines. If Jefferson never read a line of the Cardinal's original writings, there is every reason to believe that ample opportunity forced itself upon him to read quotations at least, from this very noted Cardinal's political utterances, quotations that were direct, succinct, summarizing, and comprising,” as Filmer wrote, “the strength of all that was ever produced for the natural liberty of the subject.”

With this identity of American and Catholic political principle established, and with plausible evidence of most probable contact of the formulator of our American Declaration with prominent Catholic sources of democratic theory, why should it be taken from the Catholic American citizen proudly to claim identity and uniformity of political thought with that of his fellow-citizen, and why should he not rejoice in the belief that his co-religionist forebears have taken actual part in the laying of that political foundation upon which rests, today, the greatest, happiest and most prosperous nation in the world?



ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

Rager, Rev. John C. “Catholic Sources and the Declaration of Independence.” The Catholic Mind XXVIII, no. 13 (July 8, 1930).

This paper was originally read before the American Catholic Historical Association, December 31, 1928.

Reprinted with permission of Our Sunday Visitor.

THE AUTHOR

Rev. John C. Rager, S.T.D.

Copyright © 1930 Our Sunday Visitor


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It is all very well to point out that important scientists, like Louis Pasteur, have been Catholic. More revealing is how many priests have distinguished themselves in the sciences. It turns out, for instance, that the first person to measure the rate of acceleration of a freely falling body was Fr. Giambattista Riccioli. The man who has been called the father of Egyptology was Fr. Athanasius Kircher (also called "master of a hundred arts" for the breadth of his knowledge). Fr. Roger Boscovich, who has been described as "the greatest genius that Yugoslavia ever produced," has often been called the father of modern atomic theory.

In the sciences it was the Jesuits in particular who distinguished themselves; some 35 craters on the moon, in fact, are named after Jesuit scientists and mathematicians.

By the eighteenth century, the Jesuits

had contributed to the development of pendulum clocks, pantographs, barometers, reflecting telescopes and microscopes, to scientific fields as various as magnetism, optics and electricity. They observed, in some cases before anyone else, the colored bands on Jupiter’s surface, the Andromeda nebula and Saturn’s rings. They theorized about the circulation of the blood (independently of Harvey), the theoretical possibility of flight, the way the moon effected the tides, and the wave-like nature of light. Star maps of the southern hemisphere, symbolic logic, flood-control measures on the Po and Adige rivers, introducing plus and minus signs into Italian mathematics — all were typical Jesuit achievements, and scientists as influential as Fermat, Huygens, Leibniz and Newton were not alone in counting Jesuits among their most prized correspondents [Jonathan Wright, The Jesuits, 2004, p. 189].

Seismology, the study of earthquakes, has been so dominated by Jesuits that it has become known as "the Jesuit science." It was a Jesuit, Fr. J.B. Macelwane, who wrote Introduction to Theoretical Seismology, the first seismology textbook in America, in 1936. To this day, the American Geophysical Union, which Fr. Macelwane once headed, gives an annual medal named after this brilliant priest to a promising young geophysicist. 
  

The Jesuits were also the first to introduce Western science into such far-off places as China and India. In seventeenth-century China in particular, Jesuits introduced a substantial body of scientific knowledge and a vast array of mental tools for understanding the physical universe, including the Euclidean geometry that made planetary motion comprehensible. Jesuits made important contributions to the scientific knowledge and infrastructure of other less developed nations not only in Asia but also in Africa and Central and South America.
Beginning in the nineteenth century, these continents saw the opening of Jesuit observatories that studied such fields as astronomy, geomagnetism, meteorology, seismology, and solar physics. Such observatories provided these places with accurate time keeping, weather forecasts (particularly important in the cases of hurricanes and typhoons), earthquake risk assessments, and cartography. In Central and South America the Jesuits worked primarily in meteorology and seismology, essentially laying the foundations of those disciplines there. The scientific development of these countries, ranging from Ecuador to Lebanon to the Philippines, is indebted to Jesuit efforts.

5 posted on 02/02/2012 7:19:16 PM PST by Coleus (John 3:16, John 6:53-58)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Any attempt to tie Rome to democracy is laughable..


6 posted on 02/02/2012 7:27:50 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Christ is a king. I would rather have His monarchy than any democracy.


7 posted on 02/02/2012 7:45:35 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: RnMomof7

You obviously didn’t read the article.


8 posted on 02/02/2012 7:45:46 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: goodwithagun

How would the Founders - some of whom were slave owners - feel about a black man as president?

I suppose we all could ask stupid achronistic questions, huh?


9 posted on 02/02/2012 7:47:59 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Oops! “anachronistic”


10 posted on 02/02/2012 7:48:54 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Revisionist nonsense. The founders were no fan of the RCC, and the RCC was opposed to Enlightenment Republicanism.

Any fifth columnist who puts loyalty to a foreign clerical monarch over our Constitution has no business living here. That isn't "anti-Catholicism" that is the truth.

11 posted on 02/02/2012 7:54:31 PM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: vladimir998
Revisionist nonsense. The founders were no fans of the RCC, and the RCC was opposed to Enlightenment Republicanism.

Any fifth columnist who puts loyalty to a foreign clerical monarch over our Constitution has no business living here. That isn't "anti-Catholicism" that is the truth.

12 posted on 02/02/2012 7:54:45 PM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: Clemenza

You are correct sir.

The “Founders” established a Republican form of government. Not a Democracy. Democracies have a history of short life and violent end.

They were certainly Anti-Monarch. The battle cry was no King but Jesus. (No mention of a Pope)

The Loyalists were often Catholics.

Now, they did set the nation up with freedom of religion, and prohibited an establishment of a State Religion.

It is a sad state of affairs today, but there are some who still would defend the “divine right of Kings” (nonsense indeed) and a Monarchy as an acceptable form of government.

It is my opinion that this article is only posted to inflame others and divide us in our take of stopping the Commie assault we are under.


13 posted on 02/02/2012 8:10:28 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thanks for this. Of course, all the haters will be foaming at the mouth but what’s new??

Btw, it’s no coincidence that the feast of St Bellarmine is also Constitution Day.


14 posted on 02/02/2012 8:11:09 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: Clemenza

You wrote:

“Revisionist nonsense.”

Nope.

“The founders were no fan of the RCC,”

Who said they were otherwise?

“and the RCC was opposed to Enlightenment Republicanism.”

Thank God.

“Any fifth columnist who puts loyalty to a foreign clerical monarch over our Constitution has no business living here.”

Jesus is a foreign clerical monarch. And Jesus doesn’t care about the constitution of any earthly nation.

“That isn’t “anti-Catholicism” that is the truth.”

No, it’s anti-Catholic, and anti-Christ too.


15 posted on 02/02/2012 8:14:42 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Clemenza

From what I can find, the only signer of the Declaration of Independence was Charles Carroll of Carrollton Maryland.

“He was elected to the Continental Congress on July 4, 1776, and remained a delegate until 1778. He arrived too late to vote in favor of it, but was able to sign the Declaration of Independence.”


16 posted on 02/02/2012 8:15:43 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Clemenza

The revisionist nonsense is that which is taught in public schools & peddled by the likes of David Barton, which has erased all Catholic influence in American history.


17 posted on 02/02/2012 8:18:03 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

These people are so far out in ‘left’ field it will take a knock down from Christ Himself to get their attention. This nation was established as a ‘representative’ republic without any need to filter through Rome. The ‘mess’ this nation is headed is not going to get any better and part of the problem is self appointed men revise the WORD and rewrite history.

The Heavenly Father is in control and HE never set up shop in Rome regardless of what some religious organizations claim. IT is WRITTEN.


18 posted on 02/02/2012 8:23:42 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“....if you can bear the truth twisted by knaves.”...

“Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.”

To have liberty under the Roman Catholics is as to have had liberty under the Romans.”

Our Lord Jesus Christ is the only Lord of Lords, and Kings of Kings; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

“My Lord said unto My Lord, sit thou at My right hand until I make thine enemies Thy footstool.”


19 posted on 02/02/2012 8:25:00 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
How bizarre.

All of the history I have read clearly indicates the the American Experiment is the product of the Magna Carta (Challenging the authority of divinely appointed Kings by Rome) and the Enlightenment (Voltaire, Locke and Newton).

What a bizarre claim to that which the Church fought for centuries.

20 posted on 02/02/2012 8:25:17 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Note to read later when the laughter stops.


21 posted on 02/02/2012 8:28:53 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Clemenza

Amen & Amen!
My history gives all evidence that our founders labored so hard to not be under any Roman Catholic Type government, nor any other denomination.
They purposed to have “A Nation under God” and our national motto: “In God We Trust”
And freedom of religion (not freedon from religion)


22 posted on 02/02/2012 8:31:25 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: Clemenza
"Revisionist nonsense. The founders were no fan of the RCC, and the RCC was opposed to Enlightenment Republicanism. "

Given the opportunity, Jefferson would have hung the Pope. He would have been torn on whether to give him a trial first.

23 posted on 02/02/2012 8:34:01 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

There’s a shocker.


24 posted on 02/02/2012 8:36:27 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: vladimir998
"No, it’s anti-Catholic, and anti-Christ too. "

To make that assertion against the previous poster is analogous to make that assertion against the Founders.

Many of the Founders were Christian, some were Deists.

None were Catholic or members of the The Church of England (Anglican).

25 posted on 02/02/2012 8:40:02 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: RnMomof7

Yes! Amen & Amen!

It has been self evident that they were and are the enemies of “A government for the people, by the people and of the people”


26 posted on 02/02/2012 8:40:44 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Every Roman Catholic should read “The Fox’s Book of Martyrs”


27 posted on 02/02/2012 8:43:15 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Charles Carroll, founding father and "an exemplar of Catholic and republican virtue" [Ecumenical]

28 posted on 02/02/2012 9:07:47 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: goodwithagun
Please catch up on the latest news of Bishops and others standing against Obama!

Mohler [Southern Baptist] Says Insurance Mandate Not Just 'Catholic' Issue
An Open Letter to President Barack Obama Concerning Recent Tyranny (With Pictures!)
Lincoln bishop: prepare for 'suffering' under HHS mandate
Bishop David Zubik confronts Obama
Obama’s ‘war on the church’

Pope hits out at 'radical secularism'
‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
‘We Will Not Comply’: Catholic Leaders Distribute Letter Slamming Obama Admin Contraceptive Mandate
Bruskewitz: Fight Insurance Ruling [Sebelius a "bitter, fallen away Catholic"]
Letter from Archbishop John G. Vlazny on the matter of freedom of conscience and decisions by HHS
Bishop Olmsted's Letter to Catholics [Catholic Caucus]
Liberty for the Amish & Quakers but not Catholics. . .
Contraception mandate prompts Peoria bishop to instate St. Michael Prayer (Catholic Caucus)
Phoenix bishop (Olmstead): defy feds on birth control
A letter from Archbishop Dennis M. Schnurr concerning HHS edict

Speak honestly: abortion is ‘the killing of tiny human beings in the womb’ – Denver bishop
Bishop [Daniel Jenky] Blasts Secularist Intolerance, Calls For ‘Assertive Action’ to Defend Church
(Pittsburgh Bishop Zubik comments:) HHS delays rule on contraceptive coverage
Dolan: Natural law, not religious preference, dictates all life sacred
Religious leaders blast HHS over contraception mandate
Mandated Contraception, Sterilization: Caesar Demands Church Violate Conscience
OBAMA’S CONTEMPT FOR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY (mandates coverage of sterilization & contraception)
Implications of Obama Admin move to force Cath hospitals to provide contraception and sterilizations
Catholic doctors’ group launches petition against contraception mandate
Contraception mandate tramples religious freedom, US bishops say

29 posted on 02/02/2012 9:09:39 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

If you’re not familiar with Schaff, who the article spends great attention, he is the son of Philip Schaff, who loved writing about the mythical proto-Baptist Christian remnant, which has not only evaded detection by history, relying on a strange conspiracy which obliterates this remnant’s records while glorying in the triumph over other dissidents, but stands in direct contrast to any motives that can be deduced by either the Church or any such cyrptically dissident group, as can be inferred by any negative space.

Philip Schaff gained considerable prominence by writing what Protestant apologists wanted to hear. He was impressively knowledgeable, giving his claims great currency, but his claims were not, in fact, supported by any of his knowledge; his purely invented claim that Jefferson never heard of Bellarmine is one such example.


30 posted on 02/02/2012 9:12:52 PM PST by dangus
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To: LetMarch

No thanks, I’m very selective in my fiction reading list.


31 posted on 02/02/2012 9:25:39 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Clemenza

You’re the one spouting ridiculous nonsense. You’re faced with direct documentation of the Catholic position towards democracy and the ideals of the Declaration of Independence, and you negate them not with any reasoned argument, but with simple bigotry.

If you knew anything about Catholic Just War theory, you’d be aware how your presumption that any papist must be inherently a fifth columnist is pure slander and counter-logical. For as much as heretical left-wingers are driven mad by it, Catholic Just War theory leaves to the representative leader of the State the authority to determine the existence of a just casus belli.

Washington, in fact, was intimate friends with the founder of the premiere American Jesuit university named in his honor, Georgetown. This founder, Fr. John Carroll, was the de facto Catholic prelate of the United Staes, and was the man Washington summoned to his deathbed.


32 posted on 02/02/2012 9:29:27 PM PST by dangus
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To: Clemenza

You’re the one spouting ridiculous nonsense. You’re faced with direct documentation of the Catholic position towards democracy and the ideals of the Declaration of Independence, and you negate them not with any reasoned argument, but with simple bigotry.

If you knew anything about Catholic Just War theory, you’d be aware how your presumption that any papist must be inherently a fifth columnist is pure slander and counter-logical. For as much as heretical left-wingers are driven mad by it, Catholic Just War theory leaves to the representative leader of the State the authority to determine the existence of a just casus belli.

Washington, in fact, was intimate friends with the founder of the premiere American Jesuit university named in his honor, Georgetown. This founder, a former Jesuit named Archbishop John Carroll, was the de facto Catholic prelate of the United Staes, and was the man Washington summoned to his deathbed. His brother was a signatory to the Declaration of Independence.


33 posted on 02/02/2012 9:31:10 PM PST by dangus
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To: Mariner
All of the history I have read

All of the history you have read was written by WASPs, none of whom had any interest in relating the foundational documents expounded in the original post.

34 posted on 02/02/2012 9:33:04 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Texas Fossil
It is my opinion that this article is only posted to inflame others and divide us in our take of stopping the Commie assault we are under.

If the Truth inflames, then the problem is yours, not the post or the poster.

The commies know their only real enemy in this world is the Catholic Church. Satan knows the right address. He knows his true enemy in this world. Obama's attack on the Church was long expected.

35 posted on 02/02/2012 9:37:34 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
All of the history you have read was written by WASPs, none of whom had any interest in relating the foundational documents expounded in the original post.

lol.... No some of us WASPs, can read the WORDS of the elected prophets before Christianity was born and know who set the 'foundation' from the beginning. Democracy may well have been born in Rome, but our founding fathers did not establish a democracy, it was a representative republic.

36 posted on 02/02/2012 9:40:04 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: dangus

This was a very insightful article.

Then come the idiotic responses which, coupled with the return of a certain notorious poster, make me wonder why I even visit this site.

Oh well, despite a few flaws, free republic is still one of the best sites on the internet.


37 posted on 02/02/2012 9:41:09 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: LetMarch

John Foxe’s “Acts and Monuments of These Latter and Perillous Days, Touching Matters of the Church” colloquially known as Foxe’s Book of Martyrs, is a collection of gross exaggeration, and ridiculous slander, as one would expect to have been published by the Taliban, or the Iranian Security Council. For instance, Foxe claims hundreds of thousands of martyrs in “the Saint Bartholomew’s Day Massacre,” claiming blood poured through the streets of Paris, flowing as thick as the River Seine. Foxe presumed that the entire disappearance of the Huguenots was the result of murder. Modern historians, however, estimate the number of dead being “only” about 3,000, the remainder having reverted to Catholicism, or, like my ancestors, fled. That he is known as a historian shows only the pathetic state of American education, since his book resorts to childish name-calling, such as “dogs,” “apes,” etc.


38 posted on 02/02/2012 9:42:43 PM PST by dangus
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To: Just mythoughts

Psst! If a Republic is representative, it is a democracy. The problem you’re flailing to address is the confusion between “democracy” and “direct democracy,” which would be even better called a “plebocracy.”

The U.S., as originally and currently constituted, is a Republic, but it is also a democracy.


39 posted on 02/02/2012 9:47:58 PM PST by dangus
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; RnMomof7; Clemenza; Texas Fossil; Just mythoughts; LetMarch; Mariner; DonaldC

I find it fascinating that a purely rational, thoroughly documented article about Catholicism’s influence on American democracy is met by hatred, derision, and overt bigotry; one hate-mongerer even called Catholics, “fifth columnists.”

Yet for all the frothing, slobbering, knee-jerk hatred, there’s not a single rational thought represented by these anti-Catholics.


40 posted on 02/02/2012 9:54:41 PM PST by dangus
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
"All of the history you have read was written by WASPs, none of whom had any interest in relating the foundational documents expounded in the original post."

And that's where your zeal, hubris and delusion fails you.

The history I read was written by those who DID THE DEED and defeated the control of your church over the minds of men.

Unfortunately you have not found an escape.

The reason these "WASPs" choose not to relate these documents is that, on the whole, they found them corrupt...and lip service to liberty while real liberty was happening in SPITE of the authors and their inspiration.

Thomas Jefferson said it best:

"They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion".

41 posted on 02/02/2012 9:56:52 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner; All

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


42 posted on 02/02/2012 9:58:48 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
The commies know their only real enemy in this world is the Catholic Church.

LMAO "Liberation Theology" where did that come from?

Bye, I will not post again on this thread because the reaction is the sole reason it was posted. This is really stupid.

43 posted on 02/02/2012 10:00:39 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: dangus; All
"Yet for all the frothing, slobbering, knee-jerk hatred, there’s not a single rational thought represented by these anti-Catholics".

That's not an accurate statement.

44 posted on 02/02/2012 10:02:31 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: dangus
Psst! If a Republic is representative, it is a democracy. The problem you’re flailing to address is the confusion between “democracy” and “direct democracy,” which would be even better called a “plebocracy.” The U.S., as originally and currently constituted, is a Republic, but it is also a democracy.

IF the WASP founders established a 'democracy', they would have so stated. The foundation was established in Genesis 1:1. Interestingly not one WORD posted in this attempt to take 'credit' for the founding of this nation comes from Scripture. Sadly, the WORDS of the prophets go unheeded and the nations deteriorate. The majority of the inhabitants of this earth are NOT going to like what is yet ahead.

The founders intent was summed up in very concise simple words RIGHTS endowed by the CREATOR, 'life', 'liberty', and 'the pursuit of happiness do not come from man, religions, or government democracies. Here is the problem, one must be learned in what the CREATOR required to be given these RIGHTS... and it is basic Constitutional 101 the law of Moses was their guide. NOT religious philosophy enslaving the life and liberty to religious organizations for their profit.

45 posted on 02/02/2012 10:03:37 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Mariner

How about reading and trying to refute the original post, instead of spouting off anti-Catholic drivel.


46 posted on 02/02/2012 10:06:41 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Clemenza
I can see by your using of the initials of RCC that you might be unaware that there are at least 22 different rites in the Catholic Church. You might want to check the facts in these links. No Catholic would EVER call the Catholic Church the RCC.

The Rites of the Catholic Church [Catholic Caucus]
One and Many Churches (origins of the Church)
THE RITES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH -- There are many!
(Cardinal) Newman on Rites and Ceremonies

47 posted on 02/02/2012 10:07:03 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Texas Fossil
"Liberation Theology" where did that come from?

Easy. It came from commies trying to infiltrate and subvert the Church. Because they know the Church is their only real enemy in this world.

Fortunately, its been condemned, and no committed Catholic falls for "Liberation Theology," only those "c"atholics looking for political cover for their heterodox progressive beliefs.

48 posted on 02/02/2012 10:09:48 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: dangus

Exactly.


49 posted on 02/02/2012 10:11:54 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: dangus
I find it fascinating that a purely rational, thoroughly documented article about Catholicism’s influence on American democracy is met by hatred, derision, and overt bigotry; one hate-mongerer even called Catholics, “fifth columnists.”

Yet for all the frothing, slobbering, knee-jerk hatred, there’s not a single rational thought represented by these anti-Catholics.

"We're not called to be successful. We're only called to be faithful."
--Mother Teresa

50 posted on 02/02/2012 10:13:00 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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