I think it involves the substitution for timothy hay from alfalfa.
Posted on 02/04/2012 6:53:17 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Very, very good e-mail lists — and an internal debate over whether to use them. “I'm getting really tired of the ads for Romney campaign trips coming from this list serve,” writes one young Mormon.
LAS VEGAS, Nevada -- At Mitt Romney’s first rally here earlier this week, there were plenty of hints that the enthusiastic crowd of 1,000 was stacked with Mormons. Kids walked around in BYU sweatshirts, moms chatted about LDS youth groups, and at least one supporter was overheard talking about making phone calls for the candidate as part of "family home evening" -- a weekly family night the church encourages its members to hold.
But while it's no secret that Romney's coreligionists have swelled the ranks at campaign stops from Des Moines to Reno, one question about the Mormon vote has gone largely unanswered this primary season: How, exactly, have they gotten so organized?
"We heard about it from some friends in our [LDS] ward," said one woman standing outside a rally held in a Las Vegas hotel supply warehouse. "We're so glad we could make it." Another Mormon standing nearby chimed in, "Everyone we know is voting for Mitt!"
The secret to the grassroots success lies, in part, in the unique national structure and scrupulous record-keeping of the Utah-headquartered Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. While the church itself is politically neutral, it contains the structural groundwork for one of the most organized and effective voting blocs in the country—something Romney is poised to capitalize on.
Here’s how it works
In contrast with most other religions in the country, the Mormon Church is nationally organized in a strict, top-down fashion, like a corporation. Every congregation in the U.S. reports back to church headquarters in Salt Lake. Whenever an individual is baptized -- either as a child or as a convert -- local ministers take down the person’s name, address, phone number, and e-mail address, and feed the information into a national database maintained by officials in Salt Lake (and only accessible to certain church leaders).
From there, the individuals are assigned to geographically-determined congregations -- or “wards” -- of about 200-300, which they attend on Sundays. Their contact information is filtered into a local “ward list,” which is distributed to all local congregants for planning purposes--from coordinating Sunday school, to working out the logistics for church barbeques.
For decades, these ward lists were printed out and distributed after Sunday services, but in recent years the system has migrated online to LDS.org, where Mormons create logins to access the contact information for every fellow believer in the area.
For active Mormons, wards often become the center of their social universe: it’s not uncommon for members to visit their local chapels three or four times a week for various activities and meetings. Additionally, Mormons participate in “home and visiting teaching” programs, which require them to visit certain ward members on a monthly basis. In this context, ward lists become invaluable tools for Mormons’ daily life—inevitably finding their way into Google groups, listservs, and cell phones.
They also frequently become political tools.
Working the wards
The church expressly forbids using these directories for non-religious purposes, but that doesn’t deter many politically active Mormons from working their ward lists to get out the vote. Reports abound of members blasting out congregational e-mails soliciting support for partisan causes and candidates. One Southern California ward received several e-mails urging congregants to vote for an LDS politician running for local office. And in nastier example of the practice, ward lists in Alpine, Utah were used to spread an anonymous smear campaign against a candidate on the eve of a local election.
Several Mormons told BuzzFeed that as the 2012 primaries heated up, they started to see their fellow congregants use ward lists to organize local efforts for Romney.
Here in Nevada, Ryan Erwin, a consultant for the Romney campaign, acknowledged that the candidate has benefitted from grassroots efforts by Latter-day Saints, and said the campaign is proud of their support. But he also thinks the Mormon factor has been overstated.
“Mormons make up seven percent of the population here,” Erwin said. “If you read some of the reports in the media, you’d think it was 90 percent… it’s a little aggravating when you’ve worked for months to build up an organization and then they say, ‘Well, he just won it because he’s a Mormon.’”
That said, exit polls in 2008 showed that about 25 percent of Nevada caucus-goers self-identified as Mormon -- and Romney won that primary handily. This time around, polling indicates that he’s headed for a similarly dominant victory, and if it happens, local Latter-day Saints will no doubt deserve a chunk of the credit.
Much like how Iowa’s Christian home-school vote advanced its own grassroots efforts for Mike Huckabee largely independently of his campaign, there’s no evidence that Team Romney is officially coordinating with Mormon congregations. But anecdotal evidence suggests that a highly motivated base of Mormon supporters has effectively taken advantage of the LDS infrastructure to help Romney.
The Colonial First Ward listserv
One of the most illustrative examples is the Colonial First Ward listserv, which consists of more than 3,500 D.C.-area Mormons, many of them young and single.
E-mails obtained by BuzzFeed show the listserv being used frequently as a recruiting tool for Romney supporters -- gathering signatures to get the candidate on the Delaware ballot, requesting volunteers to aid the campaign’s Illinois operation, and organizing a get-out-the-vote trip to South Carolina on the weekend of the primary.
The fruits of that last effort were obvious on the ground in Columbia, S.C., where dozens of young Mormon students from Virginia and D.C. were found rallying for Romney at various campaign stops.
But not everyone on the listserv has looked kindly upon efforts to transform the network into a booster club for Romney, and a number of members have e-mailed complaints.
Matt Larsen, a member of the listserv, wrote last October: “I know I’m probably going to make enemies here, but I’m getting really tired of the ads for Romney campaign trips coming from this list serve. The disclaimer at the bottom of every list serve email states very clearly: ‘Items that will not be posted/that will be removed include: promoting your business, promoting political ideologies, and inflammatory comments and rhetoric.’”
The protests appear to have been ignored though, with members continuing to send out e-mails as recently as last month that requested volunteer help for Romney.
“The Colonial First Ward listserv seems to be a miraculous pro-Romney organizing tool,” grumbled one D.C.-area Mormon, who is a Democrat. “Whenever you get the contact information for 3,540 young Mormons in one place, I guess it has to be.”
I am amused by the Iamnotamormonbut, IamnotaRomneywupporterbut, Iama(insertwhateverhere)Iwill defendmormonismwithoutknowinganythingaboutitbut, IamasupporteroftheconstituionandyouarentbecauseyoudontsupportRomneybut.........
These individuals are just so gosh darn transparent.
I cited the thread in my very first statement. If this basic fact is too simple for your superior mind I am obviously incapable of making it complex enough for one so far above me to be comfortable with.
However since you say I need to “study” the Constitution and be consistent I would be more than interested to learn what flaws and inconsistencies you find in my lesson.
I would certainly benefit from your obvious expertise...
I cited the thread in my very first statement. If this basic fact is too simple for your superior mind I am obviously incapable of making it complex enough for one so far above me to be comfortable with.
However since you say I need to “study” the Constitution and be consistent I would be more than interested to learn what flaws and inconsistencies you find in my lesson.
I would certainly benefit from your obvious expertise...
i’m curious...if a black man publicly calls the mormons to account for their prophets and doctrine calling him a “dark and loathesome” member of a “cursed race”, would HE be considered bigoted, a hater, and a violator of the constitution, as you’ve accused the ex-mormons on this board who are not keeping silent about this cult?
well it doesn’t matter what ya think...we will not be moved...lol
for the benefit of cyberspace; mormonbutts avert your eyes!
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Noted African-American theologian and author calls out Mitt Romney on the Book of Mormon’s embedded doctrinal racism
Doctrine
by steve benson Jan 2011
Obery M. Hendricks, Jr., Ph.D “Yet I must admit that there is something about Mitt Romney’s religion that I find deeply troubling, particularly in light of the possibility that he could become the next president of this nation. What concerns me is this: the Book of Mormon, the book that Mitt Romney and all Mormons embrace as divinely revealed scripture that is more sacred, more true, and more inerrant than any other holy book on earth, declares that black people are cursed. That’s right. Cursed. [Native Americans are cursed in the Book of Mormon and Blacks are cursed in the Pearl of Great Price - another Mormon book of scripture]
And not only accursed, but lazy and aesthetically ugly to boot.
Obery M. Hendricks, Jr., Ph.D.—author, affiliated scholar at the Center for American Progress, trustee of the Public Religion Research Institute and Professor of Biblical Interpretation at New York Theological Seminary and Visiting Scholar in both the Department of Religion and the Institute for Research in African American Studies at Columbia University—writes the following in his article, “Mitt Romney and the Curse of Blackness”:
“When it comes to others’ choice of religions, I’m pretty much a live-and-let-live guy. In fact, I don’t believe in religious litmus tests of any kind. Frankly, I think they are self-righteous and insulting.
“I’m not talking about ascribed racism such as we see in Christianity, in which racist meanings are attributed to certain verses of the Bible that actually contain no such meanings, as with the Gen. 9:25 cursing of Canaan (not Ham!) which, though used as ‘proof’ of black wickedness and inferiority, in actuality has nothing to do with race.
“And no, I’m not talking about a single ambiguous, cherry-picked verse, either. I’d much rather that were the case. The sad truth is that the Book of Mormon says it explicitly and in numerous passages: black people are cursed by God and our dark skin is the evidence of our accursedness. Here are a few examples: [correction it refers to native Americans - but the concept is the same. Skin color is a measure of righteousness]
—”’And the Lord had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them (2 Nephi 5:21).’
—”’And I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark and loathsome and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations (1 Nephi 12:23).’
—”’O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God. (Jacob 3:8).’
—”’And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men (Alma 3: 6).’
“It would have been infinitely more righteous if Mormons had relegated the sentiments of these verses to the scriptural sidelines of their faith, but the historical record tells us otherwise. Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of Mormonism, repeatedly ordered his Church to uphold all slavery laws.
“Although Smith had a change of heart toward the end of his life, his successor, Brigham Young, did not. Young instituted social and ecclesiastical segregation as the Church’s official policies, thus excluding people of black African descent from priesthood ordination and full participation in temple ceremonies, regardless of their actual skin color.
“Moreover, Brigham Young, whom Mormons revere almost equally with Smith, proved to the end of his life to be a brutal white supremacist who fervently supported the continued enslavement of African Americans; he was so convinced of black accursedness that he declared that if any Mormon had sex with a person of color, ‘the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot.’
“The Book of Mormon’s teaching of the accursedness and, therefore, the inferiority of blacks—if blacks are cursed, then by definition they are inferior to the divinely acceptable whites—was reaffirmed by numerous Mormon leaders for a century and a half.
“As late as 1969, even after the Civil Rights Movement had dismantled de jure segregation throughout the land, David O. McKay, then president and ‘living prophet’ of Mormonism, still publicly justified its segregationist policies by declaring that ‘the seeming discrimination by the Church toward the Negro . . . goes back into the beginning with God.’
“Now, some will argue that I should dismiss the codified racism of the Book of Mormon as the unfortunate folklore of a bygone era because of the 1978 revelation by Spencer W. Kimball, the Church’s president and ‘living prophet’ at that time, that after a century and a half black males were finally un-accursed enough to fully participate in Mormonism’s priesthood and sacred temple ceremonies.
“However, even if we ignore the suspiciously coincidental timing of this ‘revelation’ (it conveniently appeared when the Church’s federal tax-exempt status was imperiled by its racial policies), an attentive reading reveals that Kimball’s proclamation did not in any way address the question of whether or not the Church still considered the Book of Mormon’s assertions of black inferiority to be divinely authorized.
“In fact, the specific contents of Kimball’s revelation were never made public. Nor has the Church ever disavowed the Book’s white supremacist passages or the past racist practices and pronouncements of its leaders.
“What makes this all the more problematic for me is that at no time has Mitt Romney ever publicly indicated that he seriously questioned the divine inspiration of the Book of Mormon’s teachings about race, much less that he has repudiated them.
“It is true that in a 2008 ‘Meet the Press’ interview with the late Tim Russert, Romney did vigorously assert his belief in equal rights for all Americans in every facet of life. As part of that narrative, he cited his parents’ “tireless” advocacy for blacks’ civil rights, including the dramatic exit of his father, Michigan Governor George Romney, from the 1964 Republican convention as a protest against nominee Barry Goldwater’s racial politics.
“He also shared that he wept when he learned of Spencer Kimball’s aforementioned revelation. Yet from Romney’s remarks it is not clear whether he wept for joy because Mormonism was eschewing its segregationist policies or if he wept from relief that the announcement promised to quiet the public outrage that those policies were causing.
“And significantly, while he recited his parents’ efforts to confront racial injustice, Mitt Romney pointed to no such activities of his own.
“But let me be clear: this is not a ‘gotcha’ political ploy. In all honesty, I am neither saying nor implying in the slightest that Mitt Romney is a racist. I simply do not know that to be the case. Nor do I mean to overlook the racial progress that the Mormon Church has made in the last several decades.
“What I do mean to say is:
“—1) that Americans of goodwill owe it to ourselves not to turn a blind eye to the possible implications of the white supremacist legacy of candidate Romney’s religious tradition, no matter how noble our intentions; and
“—2) that Mitt Romney himself owes it to America to address the issue.
“Why? Because Romney was tutored into adulthood by a holy book that declares that all Americans like me are cursed by God. And he is not only a believer; he has served as a leader in his faith.
“This is indeed a crucial point for consideration because, as this nation has seen time and time again, the inevitable consequence of America’s policy-makers considering people of color as inferior to whites is that blacks’ social and material interests have also been considered inferior—and quite often treated that way.
“I admit that this question of religion and racism is quite complicated and I don’t claim to have all the answers. But I do know that recognizing the equal rights of black Americans under the law, while of paramount importance, is not the same as recognizing our intellectual capabilities and moral character as inherently equal to whites.
“And I am aware of one thing more: that when Tim Russert invited Romney to repudiate his Church’s racist legacy on Meet the Press, Romney refused.
“That is why, Mr. Romney, as an American citizen whose president you seek to become, I must insist that you honestly and forthrightly attest to me and all Americans of goodwill that you actually can be my president, too, fully and completely.
“You can accomplish this by publicly disavowing the portions of your holy book that so sorely denigrate the humanity of me, my loved ones and all people of black African descent.
“It is incumbent that you do this, candidate Romney, for the sake of all Americans.”
I have my moments...
Another simple answer for you—limiting people’s freedom or otherwise demeaning them because of their race is always wrong. I’m sure I can find ample examples of this within every faith. Ignorance, racism, and bigottry know no religious boundaries.
So, if I can find a quote from a Catholic or a Babtist, or a Freeper for that matter that demeans Mormons, then I guess we’re all even Stephen.
Why in the world would I want to advance my religion’s cause? My cause is human liberty and wisdom, which cuts across many different faiths.
Was that an IMPOSSIBLE cut&paste??
In your DREAMS!
These quotes are from high mucky-mucks in the MORMON hierarchy; NOT yer rank and file pew warmers.
The sentiments was displayed, and has NOT been countered.
I'm sorry for MORMONs that have to swallow that fact, but, it is what it is.
Then can I assume that you HAVE no religion?
Lawsone on Friday March 9, 2012
“The Church is non political”
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and yet just FOUR days before Lawsone said that, in the Mormon religions own mormonnewsroom website reported that the mormons were instructed by a top mormon leader to get involved in politics
Mormon Apostle Encourages Civic Participation by All Citizens
Rexburg, Idaho — On Sunday Elder Quentin L. Cook, a senior leader in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon), encouraged both Church members and those not of the faith to participate in the political process wherever they live.
“We would hope that [participation in the political process] would be true of all citizens, members and nonmembers alike, in all states and all countries where elections will be held,” Elder Cook said to college-age students Sunday in a regular worldwide satellite broadcast held at Brigham Young University-Idaho. “The price of freedom has been too high and the consequences of nonparticipation are too great for any citizen to feel that they can ignore their responsibility.”
Elder Cook specifically mentioned the caucuses in Utah and Idaho for the various parties that will be held starting this week. The First Presidency recently issued a letter to be read in all Utah congregations that encourages Latter-day Saints to attend their local precinct caucus meetings. (The Church is politically neutral and does not endorse candidates or parties.)
Elder Cook also taught Latter-day Saints to develop high moral character and practice civility in daily discourse.
“Any use of the Internet to bully, destroy a reputation, or place a person in a bad light is reprehensible,” Elder Cook said. “What we are seeing in society is that when people wear the mask of anonymity, they are more likely to engage in this kind of conduct which is so destructive of civil discourse. It also violates the basic principles the Savior taught. ”
Read Elder Cook’s entire address .
Style Guide Note: When reporting about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, please use the complete name of the Church in the first reference. For more information on the use of the name of the Church, go to our online style guide.
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormon-apostle-encourages-civic-participation
and a nice photo with the caption
“Elder Cook addressed Church young adults across the globe from the BYU-Idaho Center in Rexburg, Idaho”
yes, but those theologies that have racism written into their doctrine, and accept the words of racist leaders as the will of the Almighty, deserve extra attention and exposition
examples other than the mormons who actually have racism as an article of faith are Rev. Wright's ilk, Islam in general and Farrakhan's version in specific, and several Nazi White Supremacy monstrous mutations of Christianity
having been a mormon, i know they're not monstrous racists, but if they are TBM's then they do accept the Cain story, completely, they accept that non-white races are under a curse, they even think that Caucasians who don't accept mormonism are cursed by sins from a previous life that block their ears to their message, becaue to their cult way of thinking everybody in their right mind would want to be a mormon, anyone who doesn't is afflicted with sin or the devils the magic undies are supposed to protect you against
in short, they don't hate, they just feel sorry for all of us...i attack Romney's mormonism not because it makes him evil, i attack Romney's mormonism because it makes him totally out of touch with real life
mormonism is a cult...and the only people who have problems figuring out what a cult is, seems to be people who are in one, or at least have swallowed their deceptions...
People simply reject the doctrine. It happens all the time. This is how religions gradually change over time. I would encourage people of all religions to reject all cruel, hateful, or demeaning texts and narratives—and this applies to Christians as well.
No, you can’t. But the fact that you jump to do so is quite telling.
It doesn’t matter whether it’s from a mucky muck or some high white horse souse. What you actually need to show, want to show, but can never show, is that evil, bigotry, or socks and sandals for that matter are more prevalent among Mormons than among any other religious group.
LOL
Thats why rock hammers are necessary
I would encourage people of all religions to reject all cruel, hateful, or demeaning texts and narratives—and this applies to Christians as well.
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So do you think “this applies to” Mormons as well ???
What about the proxy necro baptisms that Mormons do in their members only temples claiming that dead Christians benefit from a different religion ???
This obscene practice is also called “doing the templer work” or “temple ordinances”
Heres a very recent article from a MORMON website...March 2. 2012
First Presidency Issues Direction on Names Submitted for Temple Ordinances
Salt Lake City — The First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued a letter on 29 February reiterating policies concerning submission of names for proxy temple ordinances.
The letter will be read to all Church congregations worldwide. The letter states:
We would like to reiterate the policies first stated in 1995 concerning the submission of names for proxy temple ordinances:
Our preeminent obligation is to seek out and identify our own ancestors. Those whose names are submitted for proxy temple ordinances should be related to the submitter.
Without exception, Church members must not submit for proxy temple ordinances any names from unauthorized groups, such as celebrities and Jewish Holocaust victims. If members do so, they may forfeit their New FamilySearch privileges.
Other corrective action may also be taken.
Members are encouraged to participate in FamilySearch indexing which is vital to family history and temple work.
Bishops are asked to post this letter on their meetinghouse bulletin boards. Church members may seek the assistance of the family history consultants in their area for additional information, if needed. Name submission policies are also clearly stated on New.FamilySearch.org.
We appreciate the faithful adherence to these policies by all members of the Church.
Sincerely yours,
Thomas S. Monson
Henry B. Eyring
Dieter F. Uchtdorf
The First Presidency
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/first-presidency-issues-direction-members-names-ordinances
What part of “all religions” did you not understand?
Thanks E, for your voice of reason.
The rest of you should too by affirming the 1st Amendment. I absolutely and resolutely support the right of Mormon (or any other religion) candidates to run for office. I don’t care what crazy religious beliefs they may have - I support their right to run for office, and/or vote any way they wish, for whatever reason.
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Hogwash. You have been on here claiming we are unamerican for refusing to vote for Romney for whatever reason we choose.
No one here has said Mormons can’t RUN, but we do not have to discount or ignore their religion as a factor in our voting.
You are the only one on here claiming that, where is your support. There are still plenty of us on here who don’t support Romney.
You’ll probably need to help. These folks are not very cerebral - They’ve been caught on the outside of the Constitution
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ROFL. This from a guy who doesn’t even understand what the Constitution says.
So, how are we outside the Constitution? Prove it . You keep making this same asinine statement when it simply is not true and our posts have proved you wrong.
It is your intolerant friends who ignore the Constitution.
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No, it is you who is reading into the Constitution something that isn’t there, you twit.
Again, show me where anyone has said Mormons (or any other religion) cannot run for office?
Give me the links. You keep claiming my friends have, no they have not.
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, is it?
They didn’t say they couldn’t RUN. They asked you if you would WANT them to run. Would you vote for them?
It needs more straw.
I'll show simply that MORMONism is a HERESY that has stolen from Christianity.
Ineed to chase no red herrings.
I don’t believe in heresy, at least not in the way you do. But if it does exist in the sense in which you mean it, I’d say it’s for God to sort it all out, not man. And in case you were thinking of going there, I do not believe the Bible to be the literal word of God.
Always a joy dealing with the folks who posses a self evaluation of their own knowledge and expertise that far exceeds the available data...
Exodus 24 indicates that God dictated the Torah to Moses. The rest of the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit to the various authors.
However, one must realize that there is no issue or struggle with interpretation now that the Church Fathers did not wrestle with more than a thousand years and some approaching two thousand years ago.
There is only one modern theologian of any note that could possibly compare with, for example, St. John of Damascus, in my opinion.
Indeed it is. Joseph Smith, in his drug visions, saw wondrous things and created a theology which suited his finances, his desire for power and his lust for women.
Just as Islam is a Judeo/Christian (some would argue more Christian than Jewish) heresy, so is the Mormon faith. Swedenborgianism came after, although it is very much a heresy, does not rankle quite as much. The Jehovah's Witnesses do compete, however.
Don't 'cha just hate it when the battery for the slide-rule dies
LOL. I’m tempted to make that a tagline.
I think it involves the substitution for timothy hay from alfalfa.
Your loss.
YES; I AM 'going there'!
Then perhaps YOUR definition is in the dictionary?
Ahhh!
Someone ELSE knows Goat Speak!
All those Bible dudes were certainly inspired by their beliefs. But I do not believe their beliefs represent the literal word of God. So you’ll understand how amused I am by those who claim to know what is in His heart.
When the quartet of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John quote Jesus, they are lying? Is this for your amusement or ours?
My belief is that they were writing stories, loosely based on facts, rich in metaphor, written in a style of the times. You are welcome to believe otherwise, of course.
Do you 'believe' that YOUR 'beliefs' are inspired by GOD?
And what do you base your belief upon?
Years of thought, reading, the use of logic and philosophy. It begins with the idea that if God exists, He isloving, wise, and forgiving; not at all the kind of god that would condemn people to eternal hell solely for failing to check the “Jesus” box on the application. Were He that sort of god, it would mean that He expected His children to be more loving, wise, and forgiving than He Himself was.
Why should such a god expect worship—other than that which arises out of sheer fear?
Inspired by God? Perhaps to the extent that He gave me a heart, a mind, an intellect, an ability to reason...yes.
Do you believe that they made up the quotes from Jesus?
It's just something I herd.
Quotes from Jesus? Since the Gospels were written many years after his time, indeed they could only be handed-down paraphrasings at best. Regardless, I interpret the words symbolically, metaphorically, not literally.
Got it. From your perspective, the quotations are actually fraudulent, correct?
Why?
What is your reasoning to do so?
So; 2000 years later; you make this JUDGEMENT of them.
Interesting.
Why? Read my previous post on this thread (to a different Free per). Essentially, I believe that a literal interpretation leads to daunting contradictions about the nature of a wise, loving, forgiving God.
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