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Time To Admit It: The Church Has Always Been Right On Birth Control
Business Insider ^ | 02/08/12 | Time To Admit It: The Church Has Always Been Right On Birth Control Michael Brendan Dougherty and Pa

Posted on 02/09/2012 10:15:13 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

EXCERPT:

...let's turn to another aspect of this. The reason our editor thinks Catholics shouldn't be fruitful and multiply doesn't hold up, either. The world's population, he writes, is on an "unsustainable" growth path.

The Population Bureau of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs of the United Nations sees (PDF, h/t Pax Dickinson) the rate of population growth slowing over the next decades and stabilizing around 9 billion in 2050…and holding there until 2300. (And note that the UN, which promotes birth control and abortions around the world, isn't exactly in the be-fruitful-and-multiply camp.)

More broadly, the Malthusian view of population growth has been resilient despite having been proven wrong time and time again and causing lots of unnecessary human suffering. For example, China is headed for a demographic crunch and social dislocation due to its misguided one-child policy.

Human progress is people. Everything that makes life better, from democracy to the economy to the internet to penicillin was either discovered and built by people. More people means more progress. The inventor of the cure for cancer might be someone's fourth children that they decided not to have.

So, just to sum up:


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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

There are not too many, but I believe Lutheran Church Missouri Synod holds similar views to Catholics on this subject.


51 posted on 02/10/2012 6:39:51 AM PST by rwa265 ("This is My Beloved Son, Listen to Him.")
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To: rwa265

The LCMS has been taking a hard look at contraception. Chemical methods are frowned upon, and there is at least some who are starting to talk about it.


52 posted on 02/10/2012 6:56:20 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: arielguard
Excellent news, thank you.

I linked two articles in my post,

The vast majority of the Orthodox caved in the early 1970s.

Can you provide something that would refute the content of the two articles linked? Otherwise, I still have to conclude the vast majority of Orthodox have caved on the issue of contraception.

53 posted on 02/10/2012 7:35:21 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: arielguard; Dr. Brian Kopp

Yes—please do. I am very interested, from a professional viewpoint, of being informed in these areas. From what I gather from the articles and comments, it sounds to me like something akin to the Canadian Bishop’s response to Humanae Vitae, the Winnipeg Statement, has been adopted—which doesn’t explicitly say that birthcontrol is ok, but speaks a fair bit about forming one’s conscience without bothering to note that a properly formed conscience will not lead one to use artificial contraception—just as a good spiritual father will not lead one in that direction. The result, in Canada on the Catholic side, is horrible ignorance and disaster. Knowledge that birth control is publically denounced in an effective way and/or that spiritual fathers are consistent on the issue and the faithful generally have spiritual fathers would be re-assuring.

Otherwise, to borrow Dr. Kopp’s phrase, I see a concrete reason not to swim the Bosphorous—though it has been over 20 years since I seriously considered that.


54 posted on 02/10/2012 8:03:48 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Perhaps we need to look at the big picture.

One of the greatest gift God gave to the human beings was the ability provided by God to create another human being in God’s image.

What a wonderful and amazing gift that we take for granted.

I read somewhere that the former angel Satan was very envious of that gift from God.


55 posted on 02/10/2012 8:50:18 AM PST by ADSUM (Body of Christ is the Church, gathered around the crucified risen Lord and fed by Him in Communion.)
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To: anglian
The truth is no one wants a celibate to tell them how to be happy in marriage.

It never fails.

When somebody prefaces an assertion with "The truth is ...", the assertion is false.

Thank you, sir, for providing yet another example.

56 posted on 02/10/2012 8:58:30 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

What do Johann Sebastian Bach, Benjamin Franklin, and Maurice Hilleman have in common?

They were all the eighth child of their family. St. Catherine of Siena was the 23d in hers....

Have you ever heard of Lucy Hanks? As happens so often to young women these days, poor unmarried Lucy got into precisely the sort of trouble free access to birth control is supposed to prevent. She had no access to abortion and so carried her child to term, weaned the babe, and placed it with relatives before carrying on her own life.

The child was named Nancy, and grew up well enough that none other than Abraham Lincoln once said “all that I am or ever hope to be I owe to her”. I suppose he was a bit biased, though....


57 posted on 02/10/2012 9:06:15 AM PST by Eepsy
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To: Guyin4Os

You’re obtuse.


58 posted on 02/10/2012 9:23:22 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: anglian

Like Christ and St. Paul?


59 posted on 02/10/2012 9:25:42 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Eepsy
St. Catherine of Siena was the 23rd (child in her family).

I'm astonished that, in those pre-sanitation days, any woman had the stamina to bear that many children and survive.

60 posted on 02/10/2012 9:45:08 AM PST by Tax-chick (Email your grandmother!)
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To: jonrick46
The Left, represented by Zer0, are proving they are amoral and cannot be given the nation’s trust in upholding the Constitution.

This is the most salient point of this thread. The left wants to overturn the constitution, from 0bama to Darth Bader Ginsberg to the occupy organization. They all hate th US and prefer a leftist, socialist nation full of conforming lemmings that they can control.

61 posted on 02/10/2012 12:01:23 PM PST by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Are you serious? Do you really mean to start a fight with the Orthodox freepers by posting two articles and telling me to refute them...? No... I won’t. I also won’t post articles quoting Catholic hierarchy and using them to make broad sweeping declarations about what the Roman Catholic Church has “caved” to. I have too much respect for my Catholic brethren (that’s you) who are faithful to our common Holy tradition to do so... So please doctor extend us that same respect.


62 posted on 02/10/2012 12:36:06 PM PST by arielguard (Fasting without prayer is vainglory.)
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To: TheOldLady

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64 posted on 02/10/2012 1:54:13 PM PST by Tax-chick (Email your grandmother!)
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To: Tax-chick
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To: TheOldLady

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66 posted on 02/10/2012 2:02:05 PM PST by Tax-chick (Email your grandmother!)
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To: Tax-chick

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67 posted on 02/10/2012 2:10:31 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: arielguard

Honestly yes, I was serious. I was left with the impression from prior exchanges with Orthodox FReepers that yes, indeed, the majority of Orthodox bodies now condone contraception, at least barrier methods. I have been hoping that was not the case but if you’re not willing to point me to evidence to the contrary, I don’t know how I can be disabused of this notion if indeed it is false if the only Orthodox I’ve run across on this forum who insists it is false is unwilling to provide some assistance in substantiating that assertion.


68 posted on 02/10/2012 2:18:00 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: TheOldLady

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69 posted on 02/10/2012 2:23:59 PM PST by Tax-chick (Email your grandmother!)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
The Church has always been right on birth control

Absolutely. It undermines marriage, therefore civilization.

70 posted on 02/10/2012 5:11:44 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (religion + guns = liberty)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Are there other names for the ideology of having big families?

Natalism, Quiverfull, Providentialism; what else?


71 posted on 02/10/2012 7:31:13 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: rwa265

It seems like Southern Baptists and the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod are pretty much the only pro-life Protestant churches left.


72 posted on 02/10/2012 7:34:48 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“Maybe I shouldn’t quibble. But please list for me what churches, besides the Catholic Church, still tell their faithful to go forth and multiply and NOT contracept?”

Not a Catholic. But maybe other churches should be telling their members that.


73 posted on 02/10/2012 8:47:43 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Tax-chick; Eepsy
St. Catherine of Siena was the 23rd (child in her family).

I'm astonished that, in those pre-sanitation days, any woman had the stamina to bear that many children and survive.

I'm more of the Dave Barry persuasion: "Where did they find the time to conceive that many?"

Cheers!

74 posted on 04/07/2012 5:15:36 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Yes, it’s very unusual for a couple to have sex 23 times during their marriage.


75 posted on 04/07/2012 5:25:54 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Love means to give absolutely everything." ~ Dominik Cdl. Duka)
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To: Tax-chick
Yes, it’s very unusual for a couple to have sex 23 times during their marriage.

[Retort deleted]

That wasn't what I meant: and yes, I know that you now have *ten* children; and the Duggars on TV have 19 or 20; but many people find they are just too *tired* from taking care of numbers 1-5 or so.

Hats off to you for your perseverance and discipline...and the inculcation of a knowledge of the classics into them !

Cheers!

76 posted on 04/07/2012 5:36:46 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Nothing personal - it’s just that the joke about how married women never have sex is one I don’t find at all funny. Where’d the children come from, anyway? Or alternatively, what do they need the “free” contraceptives and sterilization for, then?

(rant off)

Having an up-til-midnight baby, we are, with spews.

Holy Saturday cheers! Have a kitteh!


77 posted on 04/07/2012 7:04:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Love means to give absolutely everything." ~ Dominik Cdl. Duka)
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