Skip to comments.Mid-East Prophecy Update - February 12, 2012
Posted on 02/13/2012 3:18:40 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
Mid-East Prophecy Update - February 12, 2012
This week's topic: Is the destruction of Damascus Syria the next event on God's prophetic clock? Could the fulfillment of this prophecy concerning Damascus spark the fulfillment of other related prophecies in the Bible? Pastor J.D. answers these questions and more in this weeks prophecy update.
Amen. I have peace with Him.
He is my All in All.
Everything else fades when I look to Him.
As Nicky Gumbel says, my greatest joy is to know Him and to relish that I will know Him forever.
If you are really His, you are really His.
John 10 again.
I love it so much it’s on my freeper page.
Thanks for your thoughtful post.
Yeah, I know thats the war but I meant who starts it. I wasnt very clear in my last post was I. In the Ezek 38 war Russia et el come against Israel but who starts the Psalm 83 passage is more a prayer for the destruction of their enemies.
Rapture might be today! :)
I know a lot of people think the Israelites were a pacifist nation but that notion is way off the mark. God did bless their efforts but He also commanded them to kill every inhabitant on several occasions. Even Peter carried a sword.
It is much more straight forward:
“...offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth.”
“Free healthcare” for the price of killing babies, and soon, the elderly and infirm.
I first heard this ("Damascus is gonna get nuked! It says so in Isaiah 17!") five years or so ago. I suspect that interpretation is not that much older than that. Surely you should be able to cite a source.
How will the world view the church if the noisiest part of it is cheering loudly in the face of horrific disaster?
I know you don't expect to be here. I wouldn't count on it.
And no seals have been opened yet because the first one is the unveiling of Antichrist, and since there is no Antichrist as of yet, we cannot be in the Tribulation.
There is much Biblical evidence that the destruction of Damascus will happen in some type of conjunction with the Psalm 83 war. And geopolitical events are lining up these prophecies precisely, just as all of God's prophecies are fulfilled - with 100% accuracy, down to the last, smallest detail.
We know that the Bible, written by the Holy Spirit, does not contradict itself. So if Matthew 24, which was written to a Jewish audience, and speaking of "Jacob's trouble", or the Tribulation, was actually meant for the Church, how does it not contradict this:
Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell upon the earth. (Revelation 3:10)
The Greek used in that passage for the word "from" is ek, which means "out of" not "through". Jesus promises His Church that He will take us out of the time of the Tribulation. And, since there is no mention of the Church in the book of Revelation after chapter 4, until chapter 19, verses 7-8, which details the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, which takes place in Heaven and cannot happen without the Bride there, and chapter 19, verse 14, when Christ returns to earth with His Church. The book of Revelation, which gives us the details of what will happen during the Tribulation, does not mention the church at all until the end of the book, and the spreading of the Gospel, which Jesus gave to the Church, has been given to the 144,000 Jewish evangelicals and to angels during the Tribulation. The Church is nowhere in Revelation carrying out the Great Commission because the Church is not on earth.
Matthew 24 does not "prove" that the Church will go through the Tribulation because Matthew 24 was not written for the Church and the Bible does not contradict itself.
The Bible, both Old and New Testaments, is full of references to the Rapture, but this pretty much nukes any argument that there won't be a pre-Tribulation Rapture.
Your “this” didn’t “nuke” ANYTHING!
In fact it reinforces the points I presented earlier.
Rapture is mentioned NOWHERE in the Bible, even after Luther corrupted it.
Please go back and review my reference before issuing further critiques.
Can you give me specifics from the article that "reinforce" what you posted, which is denial of the Scripture written by the Holy Spirit which states that there will be an event, commonly known as the "Rapture", where Jesus Christ promises to remove His bride from this earth?
Let's see some examples from the article that "reinforce" your denials of Scripture.
I'm terribly interested in what you can come up with.
It's pretty obvious that the 'apostasia' is another reference to the Tribulation rather than to the Rapture.
"For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, (1 Thessalonians 5:9)"
This verse obviously contrasts eternal wrath and eternal salvation. Not Tribulation wrath with eternal salvation.
Dispensationalism can twist good into evil and evil into good.
Most Christians won't go through the terrible judgements on the earth at the end of the Tribulation because they'll be dead.
That's the reason I Thess 4:17 says "...we who are alive and are left..." It's because Rev 13:10 and Rev 14:12 call for 'patient endurance' by those who will be killed by the sword and who 'die in the Lord from now on'.
The slaughter of Christians will proceed full-bore during the Tribulation. There will be very few who will be 'alive and are left' to be 'caught up' when Christ returns.
Really? It's obvious? Since the word apostasia does not have as a definition "Tribulation", and since the Apostle Paul references the fact that he had spoken to the Thessalonians before, which would be 1 Thessalonians, about the apostasia, and there is no mention made in 1 Thessalonians about the Tribulation, how is it "obvious" that apostasia refers to the Tribulation?
This verse obviously contrasts eternal wrath and eternal salvation. Not Tribulation wrath with eternal salvation.
Revelation 3:10 backs up Jesus' statement that He has not appointed those who receive Him as Savior to go through the Tribulation, and, 1 Thessalonians again promises that Jesus will rescue those in Him from "the wrath to come", and since God's people have never in the history of the world been subjects of His wrath, I'm going to take the verse as God meant it - not as someone who is threatened by the word of God allegorized it to mean something that is more to his liking.
Those who deny Scripture are eternally doomed if Scripture is correct so they surface on prophecy threads, frantically attempting to rip apart Scripture so that people will buy into the same lie they have - that the Bible is nothing more than a collection of allegories that can mean whatever each person wants it to mean and those parts of Scripture that the deniers don't like can be simply discarded.
It's transparent, and it's pathetic.
Are you guys spotting the fulfillment of 2 Peter 3:3 on this thread?
In fact, Pastor JD did one of his Mid-East prophecy updates on the fact that denial of the Rapture is a fulfillment of end-time prophecy.
I'm going to take F15Eagle's advice and start making these Caucus threads. It's just too tempting for the desperate, doomed hijackers to come on and try to divert attention from the Sciptural truth in the sermon.
It was just a courtesy ping Giovanna.
I was really just sharing some thoughts with G Larry and I didn’t want you to complain.
As long as you stay on your caucus thread I think that's a great idea!
Oh well. It’s the chance you take when you ping someone.
It works for many people on this forum and I promise it will work for you too.
Except that you didn’t ping me. Oops.
Aren’t you going to promise to stay on your caucus thread?
Aren't you going to promise to stay off threads that take the word of God literally? They seem to hit a nerve and get you a little, well, irritated.
Take your own advice much?
Of course you will. Hide on the caucus threads and condemn people who disagree on the others. Didn’t expect anything else, actually.
I'm very secure in the fact that I take what God says literally, especially since Jesus took the Bible literally when He was on earth, and especially since the end-time prophecies that God gave us to look for right before Jesus returns are happening right in front of our faces.
So, I can read what other people have posted and not feel intimidated. Therefore, I don't have to refrain from clicking on any particular person's thread.
It's not about hiding, it's about being about to have a civilized, informative discussion without having the thread hijacked by CINOs who deny the very God they claim to follow.
Really, GourmetDan, no one is hiding but if it makes you feel better to believe that, by all means go right ahead.
It's about Bible-believing Christians being able to talk about the nearness of Christ's return and the fact that the signs we were given that would happen before that return are happening right now without having non-Christians interrupting the discussion and doing everything they can to lead people away from Christ.
That's really what it's all about, GD.
Even the Catholic Latin Bible contains it.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
I Thessalonicenses 4:17 deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus Caught up (Greek: harpazo - to seize, carry off by force)
Caught up (Latin: rapiemur - shall be caught up)
Im not sure about that caucus idea. There are so many instances where doubters bring something up that Im sure lurkers have on their minds as well. When we show scriptural proof of what we believe the lurkers learn. If its a caucus those questions may not be brought up and answered. I for one do not fear to defend what I believe and why.
>> “In the Ezek 38 war Russia et el come against Israel” <<
Are you absolutely sure? - I can find nothing in scripture linking Gog or Magog to Russia specifically.
Gog is obviously a fallen Prince, thus Magog has to be the people he controls. We know it cannot be any of the islamic republics, because they will have been eliminated by then in Israel’s automated retaliation. All of Europe seems more likely to me. Ezekiel 38’s war comes at the end of the millenial kingdom, while Ezekiel 39’s war is the “battle of Armageddon” at the end of the trib.
The issue is those who do not believe the Bible and who surface on prophecy threads because Bible truth threatens them and the only way they can regain some equilibrium and whatever shred of comfort from their denial and/or allegorizing of Scripture is to lash out against the Scripture that shows us that Christ is returning soon and the Christians who take God at His word and believe what He says.
I don't have a problem on a caucus thread if someone who has a legitimate question about the subject matter comes on the thread seeking answers to their questions. But I do have a problem with those who deny the word of God trying to get attention off of the Scriptural truth of the post and onto themselves and whatever false doctrine they have slapped on the thread.
Now why would you say obviously? Just prior to that He is talking about the day of the Lord which in all cases speaks of the time of the tribulation. In verse 3 He says For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape which again is talking about the Jewish nation going through the tribulation.
You need to show where you get that obviously from.
The ‘caucus’ is for the things that are indefensible.
Do you have some examples?
Defend with scripture. Those who deny scripture or try to twist scripture will always be with us. It started when Satan began to twist scripture in the Garden of Eden. Quoting scripture as Christ did always defeats them.
Ah ha! So you are one of those who believe the millennial kingdom is prior to the tribulation. There are so many passages that counter that view that I wont even go into them here. Suffice it to say your next sentence would counter that view anyway.
>>while Ezekiel 39s war is the battle of Armageddon at the end of the trib.<<
If the war of Ezekiel 38 is at the end of the millennial kingdom then you must also believe that the end of the tribulation is the end of the this world. Now if that is so lets look at a verse in Ezekiel 39 after that war is over.
Ezekiel 39: 9And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
Now, how can the people of Israel spend seven years cleaning up if the world has ended?
Neither am I.
Ooooooo, you gonna get in trouble with all the Catholic caucus people on that one. :-)
Really Giovanna. Don’t be so quick to think yourself such an adept.
Aren't you going to promise to stay off threads that take the word of God literally?
Guess you missed this:
There is no Rapture!
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17,
then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air;
1st, this IS the Second Coming of Christ, which clearly follows the Tribulation, and not an event preceding or interrupting the Tribulation.
2nd, it is very public and audible, rather than secret or hidden from those not raptured.
Matthew 24:37-42, As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man.
Then two men will be in the field; one is taken and one is left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one is taken and one is left. Watch therefore, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.
Christ seems to be referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, as he warned this generation will not pass away till all these things take place. Also, notice the people taken away in Noahs time were the unrighteous, not the righteous, which is the opposite of rapture theory.
In Matthew 24:13 Christ promises the one who endures to the end will be saved. This includes Christians who will endure the Tribulation.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52, Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
This also refers to the Second Coming of Christ, in that the twinkling of an eye refers to the instantaneous change from a mortal body to a glorified body, NOT to the speed of the rapture. Its connection to the blast of the last trumpet, heralds Christs Second Coming. The Catholic Church has consistently interpreted this passage as such for the last 2000 years.
Because temporal wrath has no correlation to eternal salvation. Temporal wrath correlates to temporal blessing. Eternal wrath has no counterpart except eternal salvation.
To think otherwise is to misunderstand condemnation.
While there are certainly many unknowns with regards to timing of some of these events, it is a waste of time to wrestle with some of these folks.
Putting it under the caucus just puts an end to it.
There are certainly many prophecy teachers with whom I disagree on various points. But if someone doesn’t see what is happening in the world well then, let them continue to think that. Let them continue to think all is just fine.
That’s a non sequitur, dude. Nobody is saying all is just fine.
At least bring a coherent argument to the table.
Well then, start your own thread and follow whatever.
Well, I’m like Giovanna. I’m not threatened, am very secure and can read what other people post and not feel intimidated. So I go where I please.
Try working on those arguments instead of encouraging people who point out the flaws to leave.
Cant possibly be. First of all those who survive the tribulation will be the millennial inhabitants of the earth. At the end of the tribulation Christ comes to earth. We do not meet Him in the air at the end of the tribulation.
>>Christ seems to be referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, as he warned this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.<<
Seems to be? I think not. When He said this generation He was talking about the generation that saw the things happen that He had just explained and that didnt happen prior to 70AD. Then you would also have a problem with John writing what he did in 96AD in Revelation.
>>Also, notice the people taken away in Noahs time were the unrighteous, not the righteous, which is the opposite of rapture theory.<<
LOL Better turn that thinking around 180. It was Noah and his family that were taken out of the way of the flood just as we will be taken out of the way of the wrath during the tribulation. It was the same with Lot who was taken out of Sodom prior to the destruction.
>>This includes Christians who will endure the Tribulation.<<
Name one instance in scripture where Gods people who were true and faithful experienced the wrath of God. Im not talking about the wrath of Satan or unbelievers but the wrath that God inflicted. Name just one time.
>>Its connection to the blast of the last trumpet, heralds Christs Second Coming.<<
the 7th trumpet is never called the Last Trump in Revelation or anywhere else in the Bible.
She will see that what I told her was correct. It is not a matter of leave or stay. It’s a matter of wasting time with people who are never gonna agree.
Lemme guess, based on some earlier comments by you in the thread, you’re a preterist or partial-preterist?
Is that correct or incorrect?
Well, that street runs both ways now doesn’t it?
You really need to work on those arguments. A lot.
And you’re a terrible ‘guesser’.
Often wrong but never in doubt?
Thats the lamest and most off track explanation that I have seen and totally not supported by scripture. No sense in going farther with that.
Well then. Support eternal wrath having a counterpart other than eternal savation from Scripture.