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Posted on 02/14/2012 4:00:49 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled. And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.(I Samuel 28:5-7)
I have no problem believing that God sovereignly granted revival in the 1960′s -70′s, renewing faith in the reality of Jesus, introducing church people to Jesus for the first time, and baptizing multitudes from all walks of life, and over the spectrum of denominations in the Holy Ghost. The movement became known as the Charismatic renewal.
Why not? Didnt He promise us that
it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:(Acts 2:17-18)
I myself came to Christ at the end of the 1970′s, in a charismatic church. But the critical question of any movement is not one of the beginning, but of the end how does it end?
Of course in one sense the Charismatic movement never ends, for it didnt begin in the 1960′s nor at Azusa street, but in Jerusalem. It shall never end, being established by Jesus, clothed in the Holy Spirit and known as the church.
But the charismatic movement as a historical reality, that sovereign move of God of 40 years ago,which turned so many to Jesus and the Spirit in a godless day, has been co-opted by its leaders and seems to be going the way of King Saul.
Saul seriously disobeyed God at several key points in his life, doing what he felt was right, rather than adhering to the Word of God. He wouldnt go by the Word, but by feelings. God called that rebellion and even witchcraft,
And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.(I Samuel 15:22-23)
One of the problems with the Charismatic movement, was that it was beset with a variety of false teachers. Oral Roberts, with his seed faith, prosperity teaching. New Thought influenced teachers such as Kenneth Hagin and Copeland, who taught that we are all little gods, and could create our own reality by our words.
Who can forget the deliverance movement which was basically superstitious hysteria, but brought millions into bondage? How about the attempt by some to bring about order, imposing the cultic and oppressive shepherding movement?
False teaching imposes a terrible toll, it breaks down the defenses and corrupts the soul. Doctrine, good or bad, is not insignificant, it is of critical importance.
The Prophetic movement heralded by the false Kansas City Prophets and John Wimber, promoted experience over doctrine, and induced millions into spiritual drunkenness and gnostic mysticism.
These are just a sampling of the influences which flooded into the wake of millions of people coming to a living faith in Jesus and an awareness of the Holy Spirit. Like an accumulation of toxins in a body they have had an eroding effect on the church.
Time fails me to go into the other excesses such as the unbiblical ecumenism, the Toronto and Pensacola movements, neo apostles and prophets, and spiritual warfare.
The common theme of all of these excesses is that the charismatics have always been strongly urged not to judge! Discernment has been ridiculed and criticized! These things have taken a toll.
The charismatic movement is in danger of ending like Saul
At the end of Sauls life, he went into the occult. God wasnt speaking to him anymore. Samuel was by now dead, although Saul consistently ignored him whilst alive. Saul had chased David away. killed the priests and found himself in real trouble.
And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.
He who had once purged the land of witches and wizards, now sought out a witch, that he might commune with the now dead Samuel!
Benny Hinn is just one Charismatic leader who has testified of his own necromancy,(communication with the dead). He tells os his frequent visits to Kathryn Kuhlmans tomb, to get an impartation of her anointing!
One of the strangest experiences I had a few years ago [was] visiting Aimees tomb in California. This Thursday Im on TBN. Friday I am gonna go and visit Kathryn Kuhlmans tomb. Its close by Aimees in Forest Lawn Cemetery. Ive been there once already and every so often I like to go and pay my respects cause this great woman of God has touched my life. And that grave, uh, where shes buried is closed, they built walls around it. You cant get in without a key and Im one of the very few people who can get in. But Ill never forget when I saw Aimees tomb. Its incredibly dramatic. She was such a lady that her tomb has seven-foot angels bowing on each side of her tomb with a gold chain around it. Asas incredible as it is that someone would die with angels bowing on each side of her grave, I felt a terrific anointing when I was there. I actually, II, hear this, I trembled when I visited Aimees tomb. I was shaking all over. Gods power came all over me. I believe the anointing has lingered over Aimees body. I know this may be shocking to you. And Im going to take David [Palmquist] and Kent [Mattox] and Sheryl [Palmquist] this week. Theyre gonna come with me. Youyouyou gonna feel the anointing at Aimees tomb. Its incredible. And Kathryns. Its amazing. Ive heard of people healed when they visited that tomb. They were totally healed by Gods power. You say, What a crazy thing. Brother, theres things well never understand. Are you all hearing me?11Benny Hinn sermon, Double Portion Anointing, Part #3, Orlando Christian Center, Orlando, Fla., April 7, 1991. From the series, Holy Ghost Invasion. TV#309, tape on file.
Familiarity with the Word of God would deliver Hinns followers, for God says He hates the sin of necromancy. Isaiah tells us that those who seek anything from the dead have no light in them,
When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? Consult Gods instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn(Isaiah 8:9-12)
The flavor of the day in Charismatic circles is Bethel church in Redding California, headed by a Word Faith, Prophetic movement, pastor , Bill Johnson. At His Bethel School of ministry, he teaches students to honor the Generals of revival, that is leaders such as Smith Wigglesworth, Aimee Semple Mcpherson, Evan Roberts, and others.
Honoring them to Johnson means compiling a vast collection of their books and artifacts,and opening a generals library for charismatics to visit. But like Hinn, Johnson also believes in visiting their tombs, and literally soaking the anointing by being in the presence of their graves.
Bethel Students Soaking Anointing Off of Tombs !
Those who discern are seeing countless other evidences that like Saul, the Charismatic movement has gone into the occult, for false prophecy, dream interpretation, necromancy,spiritual drunkenness are all characteristics, not of christian spirituality but the delusion, a revival of deceiving spirits that Paul warned about, as a consequence of rejection of the Word of God.
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.( 2 Thess 2:8-12)
The biggest shock I'm getting is that when Scripture is given to attempt to show where doctrine is going off the rails, it is called "straw dogs". Using Scripture is a "straw dog"?? Something is TERRIBLY wrong when that is the response to a Scripture based post. It's an out of control reaction to not being able to be reasonable and biblical and doctrinally sound in God's truth. The more Scripture that is given, the more hysterical and unreasonable the responses become. "Non-sequitor straw dogs"...because Scripture assures us that we are COMPLETE IN CHRIST? There is nothing to be added, and if there were, then by common sense, we would not be complete in Christ. Something very dangerous is happening here..
How disappointing! There are a few on FR who can only post pictures and cartoons mocking what someone says because they have nothing else with which to comment.
Those who don't accept everything someone claims to be of God because it has no Scriptural basis are indeed not faithless, but rather faithFUL. Faithful to the integrity of Scripture.
Discernment is listed as a gift in 1 Corinthians 12, and who do I see clamoring for that one?
If there was ever a gift to ask for or seek after, that would be the one in my book. Lord, let me know what's from You and what is not that I not be in danger of being deceived.
. . . comments obviously do not communicate seemingly at all
and . . . comments are seemingly not respected at all
it would appear that pics and gifs are all that’s left.
And that’s not acceptable either.
Scriptures are used in a non-sequitur, straw dog sort of way . . . it is fitting and accurate to say so.
And as Anne Graham Lotz said, describing some of the challenges and difficulties of her life,..... Dont give my sympathy..... Dont give me advice..... Dont even give me a miracle..... Just give me Jesus.
(Jesus is both the journey and the destination.)
Anne Graham Lotz said, describing some of the challenges and difficulties of her life,..... Dont give me sympathy..... Dont give me advice..... Dont even give me a miracle..... Just give me Jesus.
(Jesus is both the journey and the destination.)
..and when Scriptures are not used AT ALL to try to explain one’s beliefs, then “Tough tacos” is the best response that can be given. Yes, some comments are not respected AT ALL. Nor are they worthy.
I do agree that God is able to do ALL things and nothing is impossible for him.
He does do all things - HE doesn't go against HIS WORD or LIE.
I must wait for my glorified, perfect body in heaven, I have learned to trust in God's grace to see me through. It is God who heals me spiritually and that is the more important.
For someone to come along and say things such as "sickness is not from God" ergo the devil is doing this to.
For someone to come along and say things such as 'sickness can be from God' needs their oil checked badly!! Gee, I wonder if they are making money saying such things!
AMEN!!! Thank you, GW. So that God is glorified.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
I doubt it. ;o)
PRAISE GOD for His Word.
God is good ALL THE TIME, not sometimes.
Of course you could just refrain from commenting in that case but, I guess, when something is hitting too close to home it is either somewhat face-saving or maybe pride that prevents one from letting another’s comment just stand.
Let me ask you, PNSN, do you believe that Christians have a responsibility to test or hold to a standard those that claim to speak for Christ to see if they are from God? Can you tell me what your interpretation of the gift of “discernment” is for?
Lots of strife going on here - don’t you think. This article is about hurt and some calling others mean and false because of supposed failed promises.
I don’t see where there is any rejoicing about those who were healed.
Gee, could it be bitterness causing some their problems. Bitterness, bitterness? What - I don’t see any bitterness./s
You seem to be missing all the Scriptural examples and teachings of that truth. Grey Whiskers gave one of them from John 9. Did you understand that part?
AMEN!!! INDEED they ARE!!! But those who don't believe will never receive healings, etc.. They will get what they believed for.
As they happen in churches - I KNOW they happen in homes, also. Where ever I am, so is The Spirit of God.
Yes, I understand,
Do You? You are the one that doesn’t believe, I DO!