Where is the evidence that I refuse to hear Holy Spirit inspired Holy Scriptures about anything? Where is the evidence that tongues is my favorite gift? Neither applies to me.
Why is there such a fierce defense of tongues?
Ill tell you, Dear Sister in Christ. When I see no one else standing up for a valid Biblical Gifting of Holy Spirit greatly useful in these end times, Im willing to step in the gap.
I COR 14:
5 I wish you could all speak in tongues,
18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than any of you.
I know from Scripture AND from experience that tongues ARE authentic gifts of Holy Spirit for anointed use in our era.
I also know that because God uses themparticularly initiallyto tweak up folks humilitythat satan is particularly doubly eager to trash them every way he can.
Im happy to support something of Holy Spirit hes so intent on corrupting, counterfeiting and trashing.
Even to the point of accusing fellow Christians - who agree on ALL the major tenets of the Christian faith - as being pawns of Satan or in league with the enemies of Christ?
Wellllll . . . I prefer to avoid accusing loved ones of anything negative. However, love also, in my construction on reality, includes being candid about loved ones in error or headed for a ditch.
And when folks seem to be gratuitously taking potshots at an authentic gift of Holy Spiritwithout anyone standing up to be counted in behalf of Holy Spirits workthen Ill be glad & honored to do it.
There is something strange going on whenever this oneissue is in dispute and it tells me that those caught up in it are held hostage by their experiences.
Nonsense, in my case. I consider it, Biblically, a secondary priority but an authentic gifting of Holy Spirit of significant potency in behalf of The Kingdom.
The vigor and zealousness comes from so many on Holy Spirits side seeming to be so comfortable taking pot-shots at an authentic gift of Holy Spirit.
When I spoke about judging experiences by Scripture rather than the other way around, what I so earnestly wanted to communicate is that, no matter what our experiences are, are we able to stand back from them and see them objectively in the light of God's word? Apparently, some can't.
True. Some cant. Not my problem.
Seems to me some have so much mystifying hostility to an authentic gifting of Holy Spirit that THEY cant stand back and see them objectively in the light of Gods Word.
If someone claimed to have the gift of healing, wouldn't their experiences prove to them and others if, that was indeed their gift, it was genuine?
Now, I know that alleged "faith healers" have fabricated and faked healings in order to dupe supporters but, if I came to them for physical healing from, say, blindness, wouldn't I know if I had truly been healed? If I could go from darkness to clear vision because of their laying hands upon me, then I could verify that had happened.
Yet, how many of these charlatans have huge "revivals" and tent meetings and people line up 2 blocks long to be healed and they go away disheartened because they went away no better than they came? Their faith is blamed for why they weren't healed instead of who really is to blame - the false teacher giving false hope.
Sadly horribly true.
Thankfully, Curry Blake is greatly different:
Great teaching and practice . . . and humorous as well.
Why is it that these same teachers also claim other gifts such as "slaying people in the Spirit", giving them the gift of tongues, "holy laughter" and other things that are nowhere found in Scripture that are showy and heap praise upon the preacher rather than the Lord?
Some such are hokey; some arent. Some are counterfeit; some arent. Some such are demonic; some arent.
Mostly, I agree with you on such scoresparticularly about exalting a teacher rather than The Lord.
In the same way, tongues can be and are used as a badge of spirituality when Paul said it was the least of the gifts and the others should more earnestly be desired. The Corinthians were admonished by Paul because they were doing just that and his corrections to them were NOT to praise them but to get them to see the seriousness of seeking after glory that belongs to God alone.
Of course tongues can be so used. So can preaching. So can teaching. So can healing. So can prophecy.
Yes, Paul gave the Corinthians stern exhortations about the abuses. HOWEVER, THEY WERE GETTING THINGS DONE VIA HOLY SPIRITS GIFTSwhich was more than some other groups. LOL.
Will there be an outpouring of the Spirit in the last days? Yes, Scripture says so. But does this mean He will do that in ways that the devil can fake? I do not believe He will.
I dont know that Gods criteria is things that the devil can or cant fake. Some things he can and many things he cant fakejust as in Moses day. Gods criteria is to do what He wants to doperiod.
Will the two witnesses and the 144,000 be given supernatural abilities to lead people to the Messiah? Absolutely! But this will not be a time where it will need to be faked in order to convince people simply because it will be REAL!
There seems to be an implication that Holy Spirits giftings today are extremely rarely real. I dont find that true. It depends on where one looks. We have healings routinely in our congregation. We have authentic prophetic words in our congregation that are borne out later or by those receiving such.
Signs and wonders WILL happen in those last days - to me, that is speaking of the Tribulation - but we are not there yet. And God will not allow Satan to counterfeit his power - it will be impossible for him to do so anyway. Everything Satan ever did was try to imitate God and every time he failed. He will ALWAYS fail. God's gifts are genuine. But they are HIS to give and to remove when their purpose is fulfilled and when he says that certain ones HAVE BEEN, I accept that no matter what my experiences may say.
Theres no Biblical basis for asserting that God is holding Holy Spirits giftings in the closet until Tribulation. None.
Certainly the giftings are for Gods purposes and to glorify Jesus. Certainly satan will always ultimately fail.
However, leading up to the Tribulation and during the Tribulationthere may be some interesting Mt Carmel type confrontations between Gods agents and satans.
I think, usually, it will be no contestparticularly for those with discernmentto know whos manifestations belong to whom . . . and whos winning. Certainly thats to be the case, ultimately.
Thanks for your kind reply. I respect you and care for you.
When I hear people claim that speaking in tongues is a sign of having been filled with the Holy Spirit, it immediately creates a class of have's. It does NOT contribute to humility.
For the record, when one is truly filled with the Holy Spirit, they KNOW it. You don't NEED a *sign* to tell you that a God thing happened. It's such a powerful experience that it stands on its own.
If someone has or had an experience that is so indeterminate that they need a sign to validate that it was from God, then it wasn't. You CANNOT have an encounter with the living God and not know it.
By using tongues as the sign, people are sent away being told and sometimes believing, that something happened to them that in fact did not happen at all.
As far as being slain in the Spirit, I wish just one person would show me just ONE verse of Scripture to back that one up. Nobody 's done that yet.