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Santorum is a “Wafer” Madness Believer!
Get Religion.org ^ | 3/4/12 | Terry Mattingly

Posted on 03/05/2012 6:31:33 AM PST by marshmallow

There is much to discuss in the feature story on Rick Santorum’s faith that has been served up by The New York Times. There is lots of interesting information, some questionable information and then a pretty large chunk of missing information.

However, I think many traditional Catholic believers will start reading this piece — after all, it’s the story of how one normal American Catholic turned into a traditional Roman Catholic — and then find themselves stuck right about here.

As members of St. Catherine of Siena, a parish here in the wealthy Northern Virginia suburb of Great Falls, the Santorums are immersed in a community where large families are not uncommon and many mothers leave behind careers to dedicate themselves to child-rearing, as Mrs. Santorum has. Mr. Santorum has been on the church roster as a lector, reading Scripture from the pulpit.

The parish is known for its Washington luminaries — Justice Antonin Scalia of the Supreme Court is a member — as well as its spiritual ardor. Mass is offered in Latin every Sunday at noon — most parishes have Mass only in English — and each Wednesday parishioners take turns praying nonstop for 24 hours before a consecrated communion wafer, a demanding practice known as Eucharistic adoration.

First of all, I think it would be more accurate to say that parishioners take part in a 24-hour cycle of unbroken prayers, with most participating for an hour — a short period of devotion that, for a traditional believer in a number of different traditions, would not be all that “demanding.” The wording in the story is a bit unclear. What does it mean to “take turns praying nonstop”?

However, the fingernails-on-chalkboard moment in this passage for many readers will be the return of the W-word — “wafer.”

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1 posted on 03/05/2012 6:31:36 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

We used to take communion at the Methodist church of my youth. Guess I’m just another “Jesus Eater”.


2 posted on 03/05/2012 6:36:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marshmallow

Not really, he’s a big government liberal. His “holier than thou” persona is a big whopper of an act. True believers don’t believe in robbing one person (through taxes), to pay for another (like Social Security, Medicare, etc., etc.).

Nor do they believe in removing the ability of people to govern themselves. Rick Santorum hates freedom, and think he can channel one one of the biggest statists of them all: Abe Lincoln.

Santorum is the only person running for President who falls below Romney, including Obama. If we’re going to be run through, I’d rather it be done quickly, and without the theocratic babble at the same time. I love Godly people in Government, I hate people trying to replace God WITH Government (especially when they pretend to do it in God’s name). “Never” to Santorum, “NEVER.”


3 posted on 03/05/2012 6:36:17 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: marshmallow
and zer0bama is a pedophile, kill your errant children, throw acid in the face of women, destroy millenium old buddha statues, believer.....

who writes this crap?

4 posted on 03/05/2012 6:38:39 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

FYI Ping.


5 posted on 03/05/2012 6:39:06 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: JDW11235
True believers don’t believe in robbing one person (through taxes), to pay for another (like Social Security, Medicare, etc., etc.).

You mean kinda like Newt's continued support of ethanol subsidies, green energy incentives, and whole new federal agencies?

Santorum is the only person running for President who falls below Romney, including Obama. If we’re going to be run through, I’d rather it be done quickly, and without the theocratic babble at the same time. I love Godly people in Government, I hate people trying to replace God WITH Government (especially when they pretend to do it in God’s name). “Never” to Santorum, “NEVER.”

And another Obamney supporter appears on the scene.
6 posted on 03/05/2012 6:40:18 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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7 posted on 03/05/2012 6:40:33 AM PST by narses
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To: JDW11235

You’re a Paul supporter, aren’t you?


9 posted on 03/05/2012 6:41:19 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: marshmallow
Mr. Santorum has been on the church roster as a lector, reading Scripture from the pulpit.

The say that as if it's a bad thing. He's a lector ... a reader .... not a person on a payroll for anything suspicious. Good grief.

and each Wednesday parishioners take turns praying nonstop for 24 hours before a consecrated communion wafer, a demanding practice known as Eucharistic adoration.

Demanding?! What?

10 posted on 03/05/2012 6:42:42 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: JDW11235

you’re crazzeeeeee


11 posted on 03/05/2012 6:42:49 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cripplecreek

Actually cripple, I know your infatuation with Santorum, so I’ll ignore your misplaced ire. I support Newt, and have since before Free Republic was declared as “Newt Country” by Jim Robinson. As a matter of fact, I detailed exactly why a long time ago. None of the Republicans running are “Great” choices, but Santorum is the worst of the whole lot.

I’m sorry you are resorting to “Obamney” name calling, because I know you’re better than that. I’ve already said that none of the candidates were perfect, but of all of them, I think Gingrich’s feet could be held to the fire. Santorum is a big liberal, who think’s he’s been called upon from on high, and wants to channel the statist who brought us to civil war, Abe Lincoln.

Santorum will be out of the running before very long anyway, since he’s merely been a spoiler for Romney. If either of those two gets the nod, I’ll be voting 3rd party, the way the Founders intended.


12 posted on 03/05/2012 6:45:15 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: JDW11235
2008 ~ JDW11235 ~ too late for the Obama Truth Team but right on time for the Obots.

Abraham Lincoln saved the Union and freed the slaves. He continues to have enemies. Yours are fighting words in my circle.

You'll need to do better than that to get respect around here.

13 posted on 03/05/2012 6:46:46 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: raybbr
Naw, they are usually more organized than that. Paulistas also know to not trash Abraham Lincoln on FR. They can do that on their own party propaganda lists, but not here.

It's a Mittbut gone feral ~ his mommy will be calling for him soon.

14 posted on 03/05/2012 6:49:17 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

As if I care what your opinion is, or if 3.5 years is long enough to garner your approval. I assure you, I neither want it, nor care for it.


15 posted on 03/05/2012 6:49:54 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: marshmallow
Mr. Santorum has been on the church roster as a lector, reading Scripture from the pulpit.

ONZ, anything but that! Next, they'll be telling us he owns a Comfy Chair!

16 posted on 03/05/2012 6:51:43 AM PST by Tax-chick (Maybe it IS about contraception. Read "Planned Parenthood v. Casey" decision, 1992.)
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To: JDW11235; All

See!


17 posted on 03/05/2012 6:51:46 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: JDW11235

None of the Republicans running are “Great” choices, but Santorum is the worst of the whole lot.

Why because he believes in supporting the Catholic Church through reading the readings at church. Sitting in silence for an hour or so every Wednesday. This is NOTHING about him but a slam on the Catholic Church. I am so glad that Santorum is doing so well tomorrow. These crappy stories are ridiculous. The only good news is very few people will read such filth.


18 posted on 03/05/2012 6:58:23 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: JDW11235

Santorum will be out of the running before very long anyway, since he’s merely been a spoiler for Romney.

Prove that? Name one state where Santorum took votes from Newt and he would have won? You can’t do it. But I can name two states where Newt stole votes from Santorum and let Romney win....Michigan and Washington. So who is the spoiler for Romney? NEWT GINGRICH IS. Newt the very guy who will win ONE state tomorrow.....that is so funny. I am glad that American people are smarter than you.


19 posted on 03/05/2012 7:00:34 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: marshmallow
“Various are the pleas and arguments which men of corrupt minds frequently urge against yielding obedience to the just and holy commands of God.”

-Reverend George Whitfield
20 posted on 03/05/2012 7:03:43 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: napscoordinator

News flash, Newt’s a Catholic, too. Name one thing Santorum is campaigning on, AND that he has voted for (actions+words), that brings back our Constitutional Republic, and he hasn’t flip-flopped on. Just one.


21 posted on 03/05/2012 7:04:36 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: marshmallow

Kind of a shame they didn’t go full metal Klan with the headline and use the word “cracker” - always amusing when people who claim to be Christians demean the Lord so.


22 posted on 03/05/2012 7:05:31 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: JDW11235

News flash, Newt’s a Catholic, too. Name one thing Santorum is campaigning on, AND that he has voted for (actions+words), that brings back our Constitutional Republic, and he hasn’t flip-flopped on. Just one.

Santorum has not flip flopped on anything. He is principled. Now ask me about Newt’s flip flops and I can go on all day. One of the problem people have with Santorum is that he is too moral, too principled, too honest.


23 posted on 03/05/2012 7:07:07 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: cripplecreek

We still do, at my nondenominatinal Protestant church. A couple of times a month.

I took communion a few years ago at the Falls Church in Virginia when I was visiting there. They serve real sacramental wine, not grape juice, but I didn’t realize it until it I’d already taken a sip. That was a shock to my taste buds!


24 posted on 03/05/2012 7:07:27 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: SandyInSeattle
"real sacramental wine"

WHAT is that, please? Who defines it?

25 posted on 03/05/2012 7:09:42 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: napscoordinator

Wow, Churchill was right. In any event, I’m not interested in reading your apologetics. You’ve stated your opinion, and we disagree. Have a good one.


26 posted on 03/05/2012 7:10:13 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: JDW11235

Have a good one.

You too. Happy Monday.


27 posted on 03/05/2012 7:12:24 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: napscoordinator
LOL the Wall Street Journal calls Gingrich "Professor Cornpone"

he former Speaker blew through Des Moines last Tuesday for the Renewable Fuels Association summit, and his keynote speech to the ethanol lobby was as pious a tribute to the fuel made from corn and tax dollars as we've ever heard. Mr. Gingrich explained that "the big-city attacks" on ethanol subsidies are really attempts to deny prosperity to rural America, adding that "Obviously big urban newspapers want to kill it because it's working, and you wonder, 'What are their values?'"

Professor Cornpone Ethanol lobbyist Newt Gingrich and us—and the future of the GOP


28 posted on 03/05/2012 7:17:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: John Leland 1789

I define it as wine, not grape juice. Would it be better if I took the word “sacramental” out?


29 posted on 03/05/2012 7:17:43 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: napscoordinator
Newt has become more Conservative on the social issues, but as Speaker he pushed legislation through ~ and that always looks like a flip-flop.

He's been around for decades and suffers from the OLDER POLITICIAN PROBLEM, OPP ~ that in his earlier career he worked on behalf of ideas now seen to be outside of the Conservative Main Stream.

Santorum finds himself in the same fix, and even Paul can't 'splain all his votes ~ he doesn't even REMEMBER them!

Romney totally betrayed the movement in Massachusetts. They'd impeached and removed him if he hadn't. But I'll tell you what, he'd have a much better claim to be President if he'd been persecuted by the godless, soulless demons who run the Mass legislature.

30 posted on 03/05/2012 7:27:03 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: John Leland 1789

I’ll tell you what is interesting...we have two Catholics and a Mormom, fighting for the chance to go up against a Muslim...What’s going to happen when all those eyes suddenly turn toward non-denominational/Protestants for support?


31 posted on 03/05/2012 7:28:46 AM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: JDW11235
His “holier than thou” persona is a big whopper of an act.

Right. Good call.

He's a faker. Completely.

He has only seven kids, so his pro-life stance is clearly just talk. His recent hiatus in campaigning to be by the side of his sick, handicapped daughter was clearly just another ruse to fool the gullible public.

The "walk the walk" example of those who truly believe has always produced calls of "holier than thou" from secularists who sense that the subject's religion might actually really mean something and might actually animate and inform his morality and political ethos.

32 posted on 03/05/2012 7:29:47 AM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
"Would it be better if I took the word “sacramental” out?"

'Twould be better to take the alcohol out.

33 posted on 03/05/2012 7:32:32 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: marshmallow

#32 bumpus maximus


34 posted on 03/05/2012 7:38:49 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: John Leland 1789

My present church uses non-alcoholic grape juice.

The church in Virginia is Anglican. They separated from the Espiscopal church several years ago.

They still do wine.


35 posted on 03/05/2012 7:39:29 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: smvoice

My advice would be to support the Christians, that is to say one of the Catholics. Mormons are not Christians, and Hussein isn’t either, Jeremiah Wright notwithstanding, that was all just role playing.


36 posted on 03/05/2012 7:40:09 AM PST by OriginalChristian (The end of America, as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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To: marshmallow

When did forcibly taking people money and making them do the “right thing” with it become a conservative principle? I think you’re misguided and are trying to turn this into a very limited reductio ad absurdum argument. But I’m not biting. Take care.


37 posted on 03/05/2012 7:42:35 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: muawiyah; JDW11235
The “Lincoln Hate” thing, has Populist, Southern Libertarian roots. Another Radio Talk his, Mike Church, blathers on about Lincoln for hours.

As far as Santorum goes, I find that to be a rather accurate description of him. The Left is absolutely going out of their way to get Santorum nominated. There is a strong push for them to crossover on Super Tuesday to stop Romney and Gingrich. (And they certainly won't vote for Santo in the General.)

38 posted on 03/05/2012 7:43:27 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: al_c
Demanding?!

Well, if you're pulling the 2-3 AM shift it could be. And good prayer is sometimes very strenuous, especially if you are going through a spiritually dry period. Prayer doesn't always come easy, does it?

39 posted on 03/05/2012 7:47:49 AM PST by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.)
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To: marshmallow

Looks to me like the NYT is trying to reassure Cafeteria Catholics that there’s no reason for them to pay attention to or side with the Bishops by painting anyone who actually believes the Dogma and Doctrines of The Church as some sort of radical traditionalist. I especially like the “wafer” and “24 hours of prayer” stuff and expect the NYT to get back to their 1870s standard of slander directed towards the Catholic Church before long.


40 posted on 03/05/2012 7:49:03 AM PST by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: JDW11235
When did forcibly taking people money and making them do the “right thing” with it become a conservative principle?

In the end, it's really just about the "money", isn't it?

I was right. Santorum's real faith scares people.

41 posted on 03/05/2012 7:54:09 AM PST by marshmallow (.)
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Catholic Ping
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42 posted on 03/05/2012 7:54:38 AM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: John Leland 1789

or not


43 posted on 03/05/2012 7:55:33 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: ishmac
Well, if you're pulling the 2-3 AM shift it could be. And good prayer is sometimes very strenuous, especially if you are going through a spiritually dry period. Prayer doesn't always come easy, does it?

Good points ... but I seriously doubt that's what the writer of this article was thinking.

44 posted on 03/05/2012 7:56:11 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

“The Left is absolutely going out of their way to get Santorum nominated. There is a strong push for them to crossover on Super Tuesday to stop Romney and Gingrich. (And they certainly won’t vote for Santo in the General.)”

Absolutely, in some states, Santorum is calling even the lefties himself. While our last hope may wind up being a brokered convention, Gingrich (while behind Romney) is winning against Santorum and Paul both in delegates, AND in popular vote.

Although the numbers in the beauty contest states may ultimately turn out to equal delegates, we also have to think about what’s going to happen once we get into the general. Santorum won’t cut it, and people can argue till their blue in the face, but the reality is, that’s he’s unlikely to make it very much further. If he doesn’t shore up real delegate in several states tomorrow (He’s not on the ballot in Virginia, and has real issues in Ohio), then this funding is going to drop out from under him. The fact is, that the excuse for not properly working out the ballot issues in BOTH Virginia AND Ohio, looks (and is) really, really bad. The excuse (”I was polling at 2% and didn’t have much of a chance back then”) is going to have the opposite effect. It doesn’t sound like an excuse, but even more of a reason to not vote for someone who couldn’t get their act together. I watched the Wallace interview, and couldn’t help thinking (when he gave that lame excuse), “He just handed a commercial to Romney, great.” I really hope he’s not working for Romney, but I really also think he must be (or have been), it’s the only thing that makes sense to do so much, so wrong, so often.


45 posted on 03/05/2012 7:57:08 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I thought you’d run the Leftists out of the Souf’


46 posted on 03/05/2012 7:57:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Rashputin
I expect the NYT to get back to burning Jews in the public square ~ and yet they'll still follow the Editorial Board's directions concerning voting for Democrats.

Crazy town up there.

47 posted on 03/05/2012 7:58:50 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: John Leland 1789

“’Twould be better to take the alcohol out.”

Why? Then it wouldn’t be wine as Christ insisted we remember him by. First miracle: made wine. Final sacrament: drank wine. “grape juice” was almost unheard of then, as grapes not treated with modern anti fungal chemicals start fermenting when they ripen.

I’d done grape-juice communion all my life. First time taking wine instead was profoundly superior.


48 posted on 03/05/2012 7:58:54 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: marshmallow

Property rights are endowed by our creator, just like rights to life and liberty.

You see,t he purpose of our existence is to have life, and use our administrative capacity to give glory to God, through free agency/choice, and our faith-inspired good works.

“Santorum’s real ‘faith’ scares people.”

Yes, his faith in himself to steal and do as he pleases (even for ‘my own benefit”) with something that’s not his. That form of idolatry and covetousness is really, really, disturbing.


49 posted on 03/05/2012 8:01:47 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: marshmallow

If Romney’s Mormonism means nothing to the lamestream media, then why should Santorum’s Catholicism mean anything to them?

Besides, it’s not a wafer, it’s the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.

Guess the author of this piece never heard of Eucharistic miracles!


50 posted on 03/05/2012 8:05:31 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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