Skip to comments.Santorum is a “Wafer” Madness Believer!
Posted on 03/05/2012 6:31:33 AM PST by marshmallow
There is much to discuss in the feature story on Rick Santorums faith that has been served up by The New York Times. There is lots of interesting information, some questionable information and then a pretty large chunk of missing information.
However, I think many traditional Catholic believers will start reading this piece after all, its the story of how one normal American Catholic turned into a traditional Roman Catholic and then find themselves stuck right about here.
As members of St. Catherine of Siena, a parish here in the wealthy Northern Virginia suburb of Great Falls, the Santorums are immersed in a community where large families are not uncommon and many mothers leave behind careers to dedicate themselves to child-rearing, as Mrs. Santorum has. Mr. Santorum has been on the church roster as a lector, reading Scripture from the pulpit.
The parish is known for its Washington luminaries Justice Antonin Scalia of the Supreme Court is a member as well as its spiritual ardor. Mass is offered in Latin every Sunday at noon most parishes have Mass only in English and each Wednesday parishioners take turns praying nonstop for 24 hours before a consecrated communion wafer, a demanding practice known as Eucharistic adoration.
First of all, I think it would be more accurate to say that parishioners take part in a 24-hour cycle of unbroken prayers, with most participating for an hour a short period of devotion that, for a traditional believer in a number of different traditions, would not be all that demanding. The wording in the story is a bit unclear. What does it mean to take turns praying nonstop?
However, the fingernails-on-chalkboard moment in this passage for many readers will be the return of the W-word wafer.
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We used to take communion at the Methodist church of my youth. Guess I’m just another “Jesus Eater”.
Not really, he’s a big government liberal. His “holier than thou” persona is a big whopper of an act. True believers don’t believe in robbing one person (through taxes), to pay for another (like Social Security, Medicare, etc., etc.).
Nor do they believe in removing the ability of people to govern themselves. Rick Santorum hates freedom, and think he can channel one one of the biggest statists of them all: Abe Lincoln.
Santorum is the only person running for President who falls below Romney, including Obama. If we’re going to be run through, I’d rather it be done quickly, and without the theocratic babble at the same time. I love Godly people in Government, I hate people trying to replace God WITH Government (especially when they pretend to do it in God’s name). “Never” to Santorum, “NEVER.”
who writes this crap?
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You’re a Paul supporter, aren’t you?
The say that as if it's a bad thing. He's a lector ... a reader .... not a person on a payroll for anything suspicious. Good grief.
and each Wednesday parishioners take turns praying nonstop for 24 hours before a consecrated communion wafer, a demanding practice known as Eucharistic adoration.
Actually cripple, I know your infatuation with Santorum, so I’ll ignore your misplaced ire. I support Newt, and have since before Free Republic was declared as “Newt Country” by Jim Robinson. As a matter of fact, I detailed exactly why a long time ago. None of the Republicans running are “Great” choices, but Santorum is the worst of the whole lot.
I’m sorry you are resorting to “Obamney” name calling, because I know you’re better than that. I’ve already said that none of the candidates were perfect, but of all of them, I think Gingrich’s feet could be held to the fire. Santorum is a big liberal, who think’s he’s been called upon from on high, and wants to channel the statist who brought us to civil war, Abe Lincoln.
Santorum will be out of the running before very long anyway, since he’s merely been a spoiler for Romney. If either of those two gets the nod, I’ll be voting 3rd party, the way the Founders intended.
Abraham Lincoln saved the Union and freed the slaves. He continues to have enemies. Yours are fighting words in my circle.
You'll need to do better than that to get respect around here.
It's a Mittbut gone feral ~ his mommy will be calling for him soon.
As if I care what your opinion is, or if 3.5 years is long enough to garner your approval. I assure you, I neither want it, nor care for it.
ONZ, anything but that! Next, they'll be telling us he owns a Comfy Chair!
None of the Republicans running are Great choices, but Santorum is the worst of the whole lot.
Why because he believes in supporting the Catholic Church through reading the readings at church. Sitting in silence for an hour or so every Wednesday. This is NOTHING about him but a slam on the Catholic Church. I am so glad that Santorum is doing so well tomorrow. These crappy stories are ridiculous. The only good news is very few people will read such filth.
Santorum will be out of the running before very long anyway, since hes merely been a spoiler for Romney.
Prove that? Name one state where Santorum took votes from Newt and he would have won? You can’t do it. But I can name two states where Newt stole votes from Santorum and let Romney win....Michigan and Washington. So who is the spoiler for Romney? NEWT GINGRICH IS. Newt the very guy who will win ONE state tomorrow.....that is so funny. I am glad that American people are smarter than you.
News flash, Newt’s a Catholic, too. Name one thing Santorum is campaigning on, AND that he has voted for (actions+words), that brings back our Constitutional Republic, and he hasn’t flip-flopped on. Just one.
Kind of a shame they didn’t go full metal Klan with the headline and use the word “cracker” - always amusing when people who claim to be Christians demean the Lord so.
News flash, Newts a Catholic, too. Name one thing Santorum is campaigning on, AND that he has voted for (actions+words), that brings back our Constitutional Republic, and he hasnt flip-flopped on. Just one.
Santorum has not flip flopped on anything. He is principled. Now ask me about Newt’s flip flops and I can go on all day. One of the problem people have with Santorum is that he is too moral, too principled, too honest.
We still do, at my nondenominatinal Protestant church. A couple of times a month.
I took communion a few years ago at the Falls Church in Virginia when I was visiting there. They serve real sacramental wine, not grape juice, but I didn’t realize it until it I’d already taken a sip. That was a shock to my taste buds!
WHAT is that, please? Who defines it?
Wow, Churchill was right. In any event, I’m not interested in reading your apologetics. You’ve stated your opinion, and we disagree. Have a good one.
Have a good one.
You too. Happy Monday.
I define it as wine, not grape juice. Would it be better if I took the word “sacramental” out?
He's been around for decades and suffers from the OLDER POLITICIAN PROBLEM, OPP ~ that in his earlier career he worked on behalf of ideas now seen to be outside of the Conservative Main Stream.
Santorum finds himself in the same fix, and even Paul can't 'splain all his votes ~ he doesn't even REMEMBER them!
Romney totally betrayed the movement in Massachusetts. They'd impeached and removed him if he hadn't. But I'll tell you what, he'd have a much better claim to be President if he'd been persecuted by the godless, soulless demons who run the Mass legislature.
I’ll tell you what is interesting...we have two Catholics and a Mormom, fighting for the chance to go up against a Muslim...What’s going to happen when all those eyes suddenly turn toward non-denominational/Protestants for support?
Right. Good call.
He's a faker. Completely.
He has only seven kids, so his pro-life stance is clearly just talk. His recent hiatus in campaigning to be by the side of his sick, handicapped daughter was clearly just another ruse to fool the gullible public.
The "walk the walk" example of those who truly believe has always produced calls of "holier than thou" from secularists who sense that the subject's religion might actually really mean something and might actually animate and inform his morality and political ethos.
'Twould be better to take the alcohol out.
#32 bumpus maximus
My present church uses non-alcoholic grape juice.
The church in Virginia is Anglican. They separated from the Espiscopal church several years ago.
They still do wine.
My advice would be to support the Christians, that is to say one of the Catholics. Mormons are not Christians, and Hussein isn’t either, Jeremiah Wright notwithstanding, that was all just role playing.
When did forcibly taking people money and making them do the “right thing” with it become a conservative principle? I think you’re misguided and are trying to turn this into a very limited reductio ad absurdum argument. But I’m not biting. Take care.
As far as Santorum goes, I find that to be a rather accurate description of him. The Left is absolutely going out of their way to get Santorum nominated. There is a strong push for them to crossover on Super Tuesday to stop Romney and Gingrich. (And they certainly won't vote for Santo in the General.)
Well, if you're pulling the 2-3 AM shift it could be. And good prayer is sometimes very strenuous, especially if you are going through a spiritually dry period. Prayer doesn't always come easy, does it?
Looks to me like the NYT is trying to reassure Cafeteria Catholics that there’s no reason for them to pay attention to or side with the Bishops by painting anyone who actually believes the Dogma and Doctrines of The Church as some sort of radical traditionalist. I especially like the “wafer” and “24 hours of prayer” stuff and expect the NYT to get back to their 1870s standard of slander directed towards the Catholic Church before long.
In the end, it's really just about the "money", isn't it?
I was right. Santorum's real faith scares people.
Good points ... but I seriously doubt that's what the writer of this article was thinking.
“The Left is absolutely going out of their way to get Santorum nominated. There is a strong push for them to crossover on Super Tuesday to stop Romney and Gingrich. (And they certainly won’t vote for Santo in the General.)”
Absolutely, in some states, Santorum is calling even the lefties himself. While our last hope may wind up being a brokered convention, Gingrich (while behind Romney) is winning against Santorum and Paul both in delegates, AND in popular vote.
Although the numbers in the beauty contest states may ultimately turn out to equal delegates, we also have to think about what’s going to happen once we get into the general. Santorum won’t cut it, and people can argue till their blue in the face, but the reality is, that’s he’s unlikely to make it very much further. If he doesn’t shore up real delegate in several states tomorrow (He’s not on the ballot in Virginia, and has real issues in Ohio), then this funding is going to drop out from under him. The fact is, that the excuse for not properly working out the ballot issues in BOTH Virginia AND Ohio, looks (and is) really, really bad. The excuse (”I was polling at 2% and didn’t have much of a chance back then”) is going to have the opposite effect. It doesn’t sound like an excuse, but even more of a reason to not vote for someone who couldn’t get their act together. I watched the Wallace interview, and couldn’t help thinking (when he gave that lame excuse), “He just handed a commercial to Romney, great.” I really hope he’s not working for Romney, but I really also think he must be (or have been), it’s the only thing that makes sense to do so much, so wrong, so often.
I thought you’d run the Leftists out of the Souf’
Crazy town up there.
“’Twould be better to take the alcohol out.”
Why? Then it wouldn’t be wine as Christ insisted we remember him by. First miracle: made wine. Final sacrament: drank wine. “grape juice” was almost unheard of then, as grapes not treated with modern anti fungal chemicals start fermenting when they ripen.
I’d done grape-juice communion all my life. First time taking wine instead was profoundly superior.
Property rights are endowed by our creator, just like rights to life and liberty.
You see,t he purpose of our existence is to have life, and use our administrative capacity to give glory to God, through free agency/choice, and our faith-inspired good works.
“Santorum’s real ‘faith’ scares people.”
Yes, his faith in himself to steal and do as he pleases (even for ‘my own benefit”) with something that’s not his. That form of idolatry and covetousness is really, really, disturbing.
If Romney’s Mormonism means nothing to the lamestream media, then why should Santorum’s Catholicism mean anything to them?
Besides, it’s not a wafer, it’s the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.
Guess the author of this piece never heard of Eucharistic miracles!