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Mormon church's racial history continues to haunt Romney
The Grio.com ^ | March 1, 2012 | Edward Wyckoff Williams

Posted on 03/06/2012 5:44:27 AM PST by Colofornian

Mitt Romney, despite a seemingly lackluster appeal to the Republican base, is steadily marching toward the GOP nomination. A relatively private man, Romney has suffered for appearing awkward in public. But the businessman turned politician is learning to be transparent: he has finally released his tax returns, made attempts to clarify a myriad number of changed policy positions, and has even held his own in debates -- fine tuning well-rehearsed attacks on President Obama ahead of their likely general election fight.

Yet there is one subject Romney has consistently avoided -- for good reason -- and that is the sordid history of racial insensitivity in the Mormon Church

theGrio: Black Mormons weigh Romney-Obama match-up

The issue garnered attention this week after the Washington Post published an article, "The Genesis of a Church's Stand on Race". In the article, Randy Bott, a well-regarded religious professor at Brigham Young University, which is owned by the Church of Latter-day Saints, sought to justify the church's previous exclusion of blacks to the priesthood, as well as the disturbing teachings -- and explicitly racist texts of the Book of Mormon.

"God has always been discriminatory," Bott said.

The professor compared prejudiced policies to a young child asking for keys to a father's car and conflated this with the Mormon ban on blacks.

"What is discrimination?" Bott asked. "I think that is keeping something from somebody that would be a benefit for them, right? But what if it wouldn't have been a benefit to them?" Professor Bott tried to explain that though blacks were not allowed into the priesthood before 1978, this meant that they were spared from being sent to the lower rung of hell.

It's a stretch - and a wholly insufficient answer for most reasonable minds - but Bott's comments actually reflected mainstream Mormon opinion for at least 150 years.

Founded in 1830, the Latter Day Saint (LDS) movement was started by Joseph Smith, who claimed to have received a revelation from which he penned the Book of Mormon. LDS theology claimed that people of the black African Diaspora were cursed. Today, Mormons still teach that a war in heaven took place when Jesus and Lucifer, both considered sons of God, disagreed on whether or not humans should be given free will.

According to Smith, Jesus believed that only a select few could be saved, while Lucifer believed that everyone should be given a chance at salvation. Smith's revelation purports that the spirits who sided with Lucifer ended up being born as darker-skinned people, cursed by God, and were undeserving of the priesthood.

Though Smith may have been unduly influenced by the slave-owning society in which he lived -- more than any actual spiritual awakening -- the official doctrine of the LDS Church still views his writings as divinely inspired. And despite the ban being lifted in 1978 -- more than a decade following the 1964 Civil Rights Act -- the Church has never disavowed the scripture or Joseph Smith and Brigham Young's teachings, which are fraught with racial bias.

Further complicating the matter are the dubious circumstances under which Mormon leaders eventually saw the light. In early 1978, the U.S. Department of Justice threatened to revoke the LDS tax-exempt status if it continued to discriminate on the basis of race. It was then that the Mormon "living prophet" declared his new revelation -- thereby protecting millions, if not billions, in potential tax liabilities.

In response to Ricard Bott's claims, the Church of Latter-day Saints issued an official statement yesterday condemning racism, "including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the church."

This represented the most forceful statement the Church has made on the subject to date, but if the story gains more traction -- or if Bott defends his stance -- this will undoubtedly prove to be a mitigating factor for Mitt Romney, forcing him to speak about the racial politics of his faith.

Romney has claimed that he was so moved when the church finally allowed blacks into the priesthood that he broke into tears. Yet he was a full grown man in his 30s and there is no evidence whatsoever that he previously objected to or campaigned against the blatantly racist policies.


TOPICS: History; Moral Issues; Other non-Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: inman; lds; mittromney; mormon; racism
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To: Loud Mime
Elsie, it called an obsession...

MORMONism is 'called' a HERESY.

51 posted on 03/10/2012 10:49:30 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Loud Mime
Your three inputs to this thread have been quite informative...




To: Nabber
I find this bigotry fascinating and sad. This forum has a cult calling another
religion a cult.

The anti-Mormon posts are not about religion - - they're about EGO.

31 posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:49:46 AM by Loud Mime (When conceit and anger are part of your religion, it's a political movement, not a religion.)

To: Elsie

Get some help.

47 posted on Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:29:52 PM by Loud Mime (When conceit and anger are part of your religion, it's a political movement, not a religion.)

To: Elsie

The Mormans may be nutty. But you have yet to prove the case about your religious beliefs.

Elsie, it called an obsession...

49 posted on Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:02:37 AM by Loud Mime (When conceit and anger are part of your religion, it's a political movement, not a religion.)

52 posted on 03/10/2012 10:54:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Loud Mime

I just havs an EGGO.


53 posted on 03/10/2012 9:28:56 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: Colofornian

It’s the Pink I.


54 posted on 03/10/2012 9:30:04 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: Elsie

all of my relatives refer to me as that crazy person that lives up there.


55 posted on 03/10/2012 9:32:17 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: Elsie

I had a case once.
Once I left the light on my case on.


56 posted on 03/10/2012 9:33:39 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
Those without don't prove their case.
57 posted on 03/10/2012 9:34:57 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

A man dies and goes to heaven. St. Peter meets him at the pearly gates.

St. Peter says, “Here’s how it works. You need 100 points to make it into heaven. You tell me all the good things you’ve done, and I give you a certain number of points for each item, depending on how good it was. When you reach 100 points, you get in.”

“Okay” the man says, “I attended church every Sunday”
“That’s good, says St. Peter, “ that’s worth two points”

“Two points?” he says. “Well, I gave 10% of all my earnings to the church”
“Well, let’s see,” answers Peter, “that’s worth another 2 points. Did you do anything else?”

“Two points? Golly. How about this: I started a soup kitchen in my city and worked in a shelter for homeless veterans.”
“Fantastic, that’s certainly worth a point, “ he says.

“hmmm...,” the man says, “I was married to the same woman for 50 years and never cheated on her, even in my heart.”
“That’s wonderful,” says St. Peter, “that’s worth three points!”

“THREE POINTS!!” the man cries, “At this rate the only way I get into heaven is by the grace of God!”

“Come on in!”


58 posted on 03/10/2012 9:44:02 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

On Sunday morning, the preacher brings in 4 covered jars with one live worm in each. In one he poured whiskey, in one he poured liquid chocolate, in the third one he poured cigarette smoke and in the fourth one he threw in dirt. Result was nothing unusual. Worms in first three jars died. He then looked at the congregation and said, “I don’t have to tell much. I believe you have learnt a clear lesson”. Then he pointed at a little girl and asked,”Sweetheart, can you tell what have you learnt?”. Without any hesitation she said,”If you drink, smoke and eat chocolate you’ll never have worms”.


59 posted on 03/10/2012 9:46:46 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

Three Pastors in the south were having lunch in a diner.

One said “Ya know, since summer started I’ve been having trouble with bats in my loft and attic at church.
I’ve tried everything—noise, spray, cats—nothing seems to scare them away.

Another said “Yea, me too. I’ve got hundreds living in my belfry and in the narthex attic.
I’ve even had the place fumigated, and they won’t go away.”

The third said, “I baptized all mine, and made them members of the church...
Haven’t seen one back since!!!”


60 posted on 03/10/2012 9:51:57 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

I guess I’m not ready yet.


61 posted on 03/10/2012 9:55:00 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

here was a barber that thought that he should share his faith with his customers more than he had been doing lately. So the next morning when the sun came up and the barber got up out of bed he said, “Today I am going to witness to the first man that walks through my door.”

Soon after he opened his shop the first man came in and said, “I want a shave!” The barber said, “Sure, just sit in the seat and I’ll be with you in a moment.” The barber went in the back and prayed a quick desperate prayer saying, “God, the first customer came in and I’m going to witness to him. So give me the wisdom to know just the right thing to say to him. Amen.”

Then quickly the barber came out with his razor knife in one hand and a Bible in the other while saying “Good morning sir. I have a question for you... Are you ready to die?”


62 posted on 03/10/2012 10:00:57 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

Very good, grasshopper!


63 posted on 03/11/2012 5:56:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: BlueMoose
the man cries, “At this rate the only way I get into heaven is by the grace of God!” ..after all you can do.
64 posted on 03/11/2012 5:56:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: BlueMoose

lol


65 posted on 03/11/2012 5:57:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: BlueMoose

Pink & delightsome, eh, BM?


66 posted on 03/11/2012 9:32:32 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Colofornian

67 posted on 03/11/2012 9:59:30 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: Elsie

Oh, what does that prove? Nothing.

Religious nut cases are funny people. They cannot prove themselves to be right before they cast others as wrong. Religion consists of no proof, so they must ignore reality and embrace fantasy. The nut cases put on their Napoleon hats and act like they are God’s agents in religious matters; they fantasize of having the great powers granted to the Inquisitors before them and enjoy their tapioca as it is spoon fed to them.

Never do they address questions posed to them. Instead, they counter attack.
“You are one of them!” A sinner! A non-believer! I’m right; you’re wrong!

Obsession is a hard emotion to overcome, as is the conceit that accompanies religious bigotry.


68 posted on 03/11/2012 8:58:36 PM PDT by Loud Mime (When conceit and anger are part of your religion, it's a political movement, not a religion.)
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To: Loud Mime
Oh, what does that prove? Nothing.

It might 'prove' nothing; but it SHOWS that your INPUTS to this thread are not very deep, theologically speaking.

But when you state this...

They cannot prove themselves to be right before they cast others as wrong.

...you've pretty much summed up the MORMON style of proselyzing.
69 posted on 03/12/2012 4:58:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: magritte

I should have been more clear.

I’m well aware of the Anti-Mormon People’s Liberation Freeper Front guerrillas here.

What I meant was that the ever-tolerant Lefty press was just starting to unload on Mormonism (two lost tribes and golden tablets all).


70 posted on 03/12/2012 11:19:43 AM PDT by Nabber
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To: Elsie

You really have a thing for Mormans, like the Nazis or the Muzzies have a thing for the Jews. Check under your bed at night - - and in the closet. They’re everywhere!

Not very deep theologically speaking? Proof does not mix with theology. I don’t speak deeply of Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck either.

I believe in good and evil - but just can’t put these religious contests like yours into the former category; they belong in the latter. Look at your company of religious zealots throughout history who claim they have been the right religion—and taken up a personal duty to chastise the non-believers. You’re not in good company.


71 posted on 03/15/2012 7:36:45 PM PDT by Loud Mime (When conceit and anger are part of your religion, it's a political movement, not a religion.)
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To: Loud Mime
Like liberals on the forum at large, posters who are anti-religion are trolls on the Religion Forum - particularly when all they bring to a thread are ad hominems.
72 posted on 03/15/2012 8:29:32 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Loud Mime
You really have a thing for Mormans...

Sure do!

Their conscripted ARMY is out in force; in the streets and at your door, selling their lies and HERESY to the unsuspecting and ignorant.

Back on the home front, they raise up more good little soldiers from the fruit of their loins; dutifully filling their little minds with the 'truth' of MORMONism.


I believe in good and evil -

So?

So do the DEMONS that JESUS spoke about; and THEY tremble.


Look at your company of religious zealots throughout history who claim they have been the right religion—and taken up a personal duty to chastise the non-believers.

Speaking of chasizing...

Are you one of these people who will IGNORE what MORMON leaders think about CHRISTIANITY; or will you take this opportunity to chastise them?

Or will you ACCEPT what they have said?





It's right in this thread - #33.






What say ye?

73 posted on 03/16/2012 4:23:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Obsession is a hard thing to cure. Religious conceit, with its resulting judgementalism and hatred, brings out the worst behavior in humans. I studied the Spanish Inquisition and visited two death camps in Germany. My family is from Poland, where camps such as Sobibor still ring in the memories of people who understand what hatred and conceit can do.

I’ve told you that you have never proven your case - no religion can prove their case - the Mormans, the Catholics, and worst, the evangelical christians, can’t prove anything. But your conceit has you trudging along spitting your vile judgements at others. I stopped going to any church because each one houses bigots like you.

I remember my biblical lessons of Luke and the words of the Lord’s prayer. Those must not agree with your ego. You see, this obsession of yours is not about religion and its not about God, it’s about YOU. No matter what I question, you return to your obsession - which proves my first point in this posting.


74 posted on 03/17/2012 9:25:42 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Prove it or STFU)
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To: Loud Mime; Elsie
I’ve told you that you have never proven your case - no religion can prove their case - the Mormans, the Catholics, and worst, the evangelical christians, can’t prove anything. But your conceit has you trudging along spitting your vile judgements at others. I stopped going to any church because each one houses bigots like you.

You might be mixing up Elsie and this guy:

Elsie is passionate, not obsessed. I think that he believes much the same regarding Jehovah's Witnesses, Oneness Pentecostals and the various other nonChristian groups who claim to be Christian.

75 posted on 03/17/2012 10:32:07 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Loud Mime
I’ve told you that you have never proven your case

What is my 'case'?

I posted FACTS directly from top MORMON leaders. Quotes; DAMNING ones if Rush had said them; and yet you choose to continue to remain silent.

76 posted on 03/17/2012 12:36:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Loud Mime
I remember my biblical lessons of Luke and the words of the Lord’s prayer.

Do you 'remember' anything else?


Acts 18:11
    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.
 
 
 
 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



77 posted on 03/17/2012 12:37:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Loud Mime
I stopped going to any church because each one houses bigots like you.

So judgemental; aren't you!


Hebrews 10:25 kjv

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

78 posted on 03/17/2012 12:39:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MarkBsnr

LOL, you said it - I didn’t.


79 posted on 03/19/2012 12:20:34 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberalism is a socialist disease)
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