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Interesting Times?...Actually, the End Times
http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/interesting-times-actually-it-is-the-end-times/ ^ | 03-07-12 | Bill Randles

Posted on 03/06/2012 4:44:41 PM PST by pastorbillrandles

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.( 2 Timothy 3:1-5)

There is a Chinese ‘blessing’, the kind you confer upon an adversary, in which you wish him or her ,”May you live in interesting times”. We certainly do, don’t we? Fortunately we don’t have to rely on Chinese proverbs, for we have a guide to our times that is eternal, and gives us a profound template for understanding them.

We know that these are the “Latter days” spoken of by the apostles of Jesus and the Hebrew prophets. All of the themes of the Old and New Testament are being replayed in little and big ways, so that those who have “ears to hear” may be as the Sons of Isaachar, ”… which were men that had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do…”(I Chronicles 12:32).

The Book of Esther all over again

Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel, in meetings with President Obama, affirmed Israel’s right and willingness to use any means to defend itself, against her enemies. Netanyahu is particularly sounding the alarm about the recently nuclear weaponized Persian, (Iran) which has been openly threatening to annihilate Israel.

Obama, had been cautioning Israel against “war talk” and “bluster”in the days leading up to the meeting, but Netanyahu stood firm, resolving that Israel reserves the right to defend herself against all enemies.

The interesting aspect of this is that the meeting took place within days of the Jewish feast of Purim,(March 8-11,2012). Purim commemorates the successful self -defense of the Hebrew people in the land of their captivity, in ancient Persia (Iran). The nation had been threatened by Haman, an ambitious anti-semitic politician who deceived the Gentile King into authorizing an empire wide pogrom.

But the Lord had spared the nation through the intervention of the King’s wife, Esther, a Jewess. Netanyahu presented Obama with a scroll of the book of Esther.

Purim has been prominently confirmed in other events of recent history; for the first persian Gulf war ended on February 28, 1991, the feast of Purim. In the build up to the second Gulf war, President Bush gave Saddam Hussein a two-day ultimatum, on March 17,2003, or else Iraq would face invasion. That year Purim was on March 17-19 !

Demon Worship, The Golden Calf and the great Apostasy

We read of Israel in the Old Testament and marvel at the Spiritual harlotry, the backsliding, the accommodation with false religion, the sexually perverse religious rites, the total defection from God. But we must remember Paul’s warning,

Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.(I Corinthians 10:11-12)

The modern church in many ways is where Israel was at its worst point! Consider this example;

An Anglican church in Auckland New Zealand installed a statue near its sanctuary, of a fallen Angel, ”Gadreel”. A figure from the apocryphal book of Enoch, the vicar commissioned it for “lent”as a way to assure the fallen away to come back;

The statue of Gadreel, one of the fallen angels in Enoch lore who reputedly led Eve astray in the Garden of Eden, was installed in the church’s Peace Chapel next to the main altar on Friday, and will remain there for the period of Lent. Vicar Glynn Cardy said the statue was to show that “even the devil would be welcomed in God’s Kingdom”. ”It’s to show that no matter how distant you are, or even if you’ve fallen to your deepest depth – like Gadreel – you are still welcome to be in our midst,” he said.

Fallen Angels to Land Lightly At City Church

This abomination is the direct fruit of decades of the “Love Gospel” with its misguided humanism, and it’s omission of the great doctrines of the horror of sin, the fall, the Holiness and Righteousness of God. What does the new style church preach? “Unconditional love”, a God who has no indignation, an all-inclusive deity who strikes no fear or awe and is unworthy of worship.

The same rotten theology is infiltrating the evangelical world now. Witness the popularity of Rob Bell’s book, “Love Wins” which is a denial of the certainty of Divine punishment. We are also seeing the rise of a movement called “Chrislam”, a blasphemous syncretism between ‘christianity” and Islam. Homosexuality is also being accommodated by some.

EXODUS all over again…

In the Wider World we are seeing the ominous spectre of themes from the Exodus playing out. Remember that the book of Revelation, is full of Exodus Imagery. The Plagues come upon the whole world, the AntiChrist is the last Pharoah, and the people of God make their Exodus out of this world.

Consider this horrifying story from Scotland, in which state licensed hospital midwives lost a courtroom battle to defend their right to exempt themselves from having to assist in abortions…”

Two senior midwives from Glasgow have lost their battle not to assist in abortions following a court ruling. In a judgment handed down today from the Court of Session in Edinburgh, Lady Smith ruled that the midwives must accept the decision of their hospital management to oversee other midwives who are performing abortions on the labour ward.

The midwives in the case, Miss Mary Doogan and Mrs Connie Wood, argued that they had never been required to supervise abortion procedures in the past, and that the hospital was asking them to be morally, medically and legally responsible for abortions. Although they said that this conflicted with their profound objection to abortions, Lady Smith said that the midwives involved were not protected by the conscience clause of the Abortion Act…

Scottish Midwives Lose Legal Battle

This comes right out of Exodus 1,

And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah: And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live. But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the men children alive. And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them, Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men children alive? And the midwives said unto Pharaoh, Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women; for they are lively, and are delivered ere the midwives come in unto them. Therefore God dealt well with the midwives: and the people multiplied, and waxed very mighty. And it came to pass, because the midwives feared God, that he made them houses. And Pharaoh charged all his people, saying, Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive.(Exodus 1:16-22)

The USA has its own version of Pharoah, with Obama also seeking to force Christians to participate in abortion and infanticide. It is as though the “principalities and powers” are doubling down on their efforts to involve all of us in these deep sins of our time.

Satan knows his time is short, and he knows the time itself is shortening, we are hurtling toward the final judgment at break neck speed, and most are oblivious. It is time to get right with God, on his terms. Confess and forsake your life of sin, and neglect of God and your soul. He forgives those who come with a broken heart!

The Prophet Isaiah cries out to us, “Seek ye the Lord while He can be found, call upon Him while He is near!” and Joel told us, that dark as the day is ,”Whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”!

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To: spacejunkie2001
As God's people, we are not appointed to wrath as it says in I Thessalonians 5:9. I'll be in the mezzanine watching. Remember He comes FOR His people as a thief in the night and comes WITH His people (ten thousands of His saints) as the lighting shines in the east even to the west.

Remember also the Israel time clock as spoken of in Jeremiah and Daniel (70 weeks: one week = seven years. Beginning from the exact time of Cyrus' pronouncement to Christ's death is 483 years (69 weeks) and then the seven years of the final 70th week.) If you count the time elements in Revelation, you also get seven years.

See you in the Heavenly mezzanine.

51 posted on 03/06/2012 6:06:16 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: stars & stripes forever
You fight your battles your way. I’ll fight them my way.

If you didn't believe this was the End Times, would you do it any different?

52 posted on 03/06/2012 6:08:16 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: pastorbillrandles
As a young Christian in the 1970’s I got caught up on reading all of those end-times books in the Bible Book stores. The book captivating me the most, being Hal Lindsey’s book “The Late Great Planet Earth”. The books were fascinating at the time, I could hardly put them down - but the prophecies seemed so far out into the future I could hardly believe it all could go down in my life time.
We have come a long way since Hal Lindsey’s book. Things are moving way too fast not to see that something has been set in motion. I sincerely believe the World’s times clock is winding down to midnight.

CASHLESS SOCIETY?

Those end-time book writers said we would someday be able to purchase about anything with the swipe of the card, even a telephone call, the vending machine and a parking lot? A stretch in the 1970’s, but now I hardly ever carry cash or coin anymore. Other that the coffee kitty at work I can go weeks without coin or paper money. To be completely cut off from it would be no big deal. As long as the card scanner worked. Oh and did I mention you could use the card all over the World? How possible was that in 1972? Now we are having China, the EU, and others saying we need to move to a global currency, and now for the first time ever – we are listening. Which brings me to the next topic.

ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT?

We have come along way on this one since Hal Lindsey’s book, haven’t we? Hard to visualize in the 1970’s. Now, its something even the main stream media is picking up on. We can now communicate at the speed of light anywhere we want because of the World Wide Web and satellite communication.

ONE WORLD LEADER / ANTICHRIST?

In 1974 when I first read Hal Lindsey’s book “The Late Great Planet Earth”, It was a great mystery to me how one man could enter the World stage and become so popular in such a short amount of time, and how this popularity will cross borders of all Nations. After all he will only have 3 1/2 years to position himself for the abomination of desecration to take place. Obama sets a good example of how it could happen. He did come out of nowhere in just a few months to become almost a God to hundreds of millions of his followers who did not even know who he was prior to that speech at the 2004 convention. If you reflect on that, I think the mystery has been solved. The power of persuasion spans all borders, and I think the real Antichrist is waiting just off stage, and Obama has shown us all how fast this sort of event can take place.
But how could there be a Global attraction? If it is a true ‘man” and not an invisible entity like the U.N. Assembly, then I think it may take a global catastrophe to usher someone like that in. And between Iran and North Korea there are two countries that could start such a thing in motion.

53 posted on 03/06/2012 6:09:26 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: pastorbillrandles

If WWI and WWII didn’t herald the end times, I’m certainly not going to sweat the troubles we’re having now.

I mean, come now. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.


54 posted on 03/06/2012 6:09:58 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: tacticalogic
If you didn't believe this was the End Times, would you do it any different?

No, I live each day to the fullest. I was at death's door a few years ago, and the Lord healed me. Life is fleeting. My motto: Let another day be a day to live for Jesus.

55 posted on 03/06/2012 6:13:58 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: stars & stripes forever
Some of us have to take some days and attend to Caesar.

You enjoy not needing to. It's not pretty, but it still needs done.

56 posted on 03/06/2012 6:17:50 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
You enjoy not needing to.

Every American has a responsibility to take part in the political process.

57 posted on 03/06/2012 6:20:57 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: tacticalogic

**Nobody who’s convinced the ship is going to be destroyed any minute is going to be any help bailing.**

True. We should stay with the ship as long as it’s a help to us. But, as with Paul, the time is coming when we will have thrown overboard everything we possibly can to weather the storm, and ride the ship to it’s destruction. Paul and those aboard survived because they didn’t leave the ship. The ship got them to safety as it dissolved in the battering waves and rocks. They had already gone through a long, seemingly endless storm, and believed that they were going to die.

The potential for worldwide destruction and chaos, is a reality that had not been possible just 60 years ago. As bad as WW2 was, there were areas of the earth untouched by that war. The ‘bomb’, along with missile technology, has changed that. With the amazing drones (and smaller, yet still lethal) being developed in recent years with artificial ‘intelligence’, there will soon be ‘no place to hide’.

“via satellite” has given the ability for people from around the world to witness the two dead prophets arise and ascend to heaven (per Revelation). ‘Telstar’ was the beginning of this capability.

Until the steam engine came along, the previous centuries were, technologically, almost the same. Walk or ride a beast; row or let the wind blow. We truly live in a time like no other before us.


58 posted on 03/06/2012 6:48:03 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: cuban leaf

Yeah, there is a word for that: eisegesis


59 posted on 03/06/2012 6:53:20 PM PST by Lucas McCain (Heaven protect us from what evil men do in the name of good.)
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To: stars & stripes forever
Every American has a responsibility to take part in the political process.

Indeed. And it seems to me if "the Sword of God" was enough, nobody would be needing to sell their coat to buy a piece of steel. But I could be wrong about that.

60 posted on 03/06/2012 6:55:45 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Zuriel
Until the steam engine came along, the previous centuries were, technologically, almost the same. Walk or ride a beast; row or let the wind blow. We truly live in a time like no other before us.

Agreed, but we've had steam engines for almost 200 years, and the End Times haven't come yet. Todays evil is sufficient for today. Tomorrow will have it's own.

61 posted on 03/06/2012 7:01:43 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Interesting Times

And yet, Israel became a country in 1947-8.

The world events in the end times are supposed to be able to be viewed from all areas of the earth simultaneously—(Internet, TV)

The Euphrates supposedly dries up allowing Israel’s enemies to attack— (they have a dam there now that can constrict the water flow)

A plague of locusts...I can think of no better description for our ILLEGAL alien influx, “entitlement” welfare, EBT card recipients-—those that received loans on homes with NO jobs and NO downpayment, progressives that want others to pay for their sexual activity with no consequence and transgender surgery...yeah; a TRUE plague of locusts.


62 posted on 03/06/2012 7:07:08 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Is his name actually pat burt? He names a rapture site after himself? Sounds very narcisistic, if so.

Nah, not clicking on it.


63 posted on 03/06/2012 7:08:39 PM PST by Larry Lucido (My doctor told me to curtail my Walpoling activities.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Thank you


64 posted on 03/06/2012 7:14:43 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: crazydad
Be it earth changes or Political upheaval in our country or the battle of Armegedon

You've got at least 7 years until Armageddon, because that occurs at the end of the tribulation.
65 posted on 03/06/2012 7:35:52 PM PST by crosshairs
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To: Quix
As content free as I've come to expect.

If you'll excuse me, I've got a civil rights march to catch, and likely won't interact with anyone in a timely manner.

66 posted on 03/06/2012 7:39:09 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Quix

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


67 posted on 03/06/2012 7:41:52 PM PST by narses
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To: narses

Hmmmmm

is this that consistent RC arrogance in freely violating the rules manifesting yet again?

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Exodus 20:4-6

King James Version (KJV)

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Deuteronomy 5:8-10

King James Version (KJV)

8Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

9Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

10And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.


68 posted on 03/06/2012 7:58:10 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; VinceASA; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; pieces of time; ..
...is this that consistent RC arrogance in freely violating the rules manifesting yet again?
What rule exists against posting Scripture?
69 posted on 03/06/2012 8:10:23 PM PST by narses
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To: Quix
when Sharon dies, all ‘hell’ will break loose.

I didn't read any prophecy about him and indeed forgot he was still among the living, and I don't get anything definite, just that there's something significant about it. Like he (and Israel) are being chastised for giving up Gaza and other concessions.

70 posted on 03/06/2012 8:21:26 PM PST by Aliska
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To: narses

Your assumptions are showing again.

And, I still have no greater capacity to miraculously help rabid clique type RC’s understand my words any better.

My post still stands.

Though I have no intention of violating the rules in an effort to explain it.


71 posted on 03/06/2012 8:31:51 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Aliska

I don’t have the ref. Wish I did.

Might be dogpile.com able.


72 posted on 03/06/2012 8:32:43 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: tacticalogic

I don’t accept your premise, i believe that it is possible to live as though Christ is coming today, and also to live in such a way to pass on a legacy of faith to my seed.


73 posted on 03/06/2012 8:42:20 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I do believe that World War 1 and all that followed did Herald the End times. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, says in hs book “Footsteps of the Messiah” that “Nation rising against nation and Kingdom against Kingdom” of Matthew 24 is a Hebraic way of saying World War. There had never been anything on such a scale of destruction, and the West has never recovered from it.


74 posted on 03/06/2012 8:50:50 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: tacticalogic

**Todays evil is sufficient for today**

Right, and my point being that evil presently has the tools, like never before, to bring ‘the end’ upon the world.


75 posted on 03/06/2012 9:23:31 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Quix

I read a little now and then but haven’t kept up with things. Seldom have I ever gotten anything and came to wish not to because it’s entirely subjective and no way to prove the source. Maybe I will stumble across it what you saw and ping you if I do.


76 posted on 03/06/2012 9:31:01 PM PST by Aliska
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To: pastorbillrandles

I happen to be going through a history of the Church course, and just finished the Late Middle Ages. I cannot imagine living then and *not* thinking it was the end of the world.

I thought of this reading your post about WWI. I think we can point to many incredibly calamitous times in history and yet...

We just can’t know, and if I had to venture a guess, the end would be hidden, then “well, of course..” Like the saying: “The answer - when finally found - will be obvious.

Just MHO.


77 posted on 03/06/2012 9:42:26 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: spacejunkie2001
I believe the end mirrors the beginning. Genesis and Revelation mirror each other.

Don't you think that you are a thousand years too soon with the end? The real end doesn't happen until the end of the millennium when once again many of the world, under the inspiration of a released Satan, go marching against Israel, are annihilated and then the brand new earth and heavens replace the old. Now that war just might last only six or seven days.

78 posted on 03/06/2012 11:10:38 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Quix; Aliska

From 2006:

http://yeranenyaakov.blogspot.com/2006/03/kabbalists-weigh-in-on-elections-and.html

...As previously mentioned, many Kabbalists have said that Ariel Sharon would be the last Prime Minister before the Mashiah. R’ Nir Ben Artzi is one of them, but he adds that there may be a rotation via some National Unity government, but there won’t be a leader that will compare to Sharon’s power until Mashiah...


79 posted on 03/06/2012 11:25:10 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Interesting.

Thanks.


80 posted on 03/07/2012 5:31:20 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Zuriel
Right, and my point being that evil presently has the tools, like never before, to bring ‘the end’ upon the world.

If you believe in prophecy, then the technology is irrelevant. It's going to happen with our without it. Technology is just a tool, and has the same potential for good in your hand that it might for evil in someone else's.

81 posted on 03/07/2012 5:34:02 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: pastorbillrandles
I don’t accept your premise, i believe that it is possible to live as though Christ is coming today, and also to live in such a way to pass on a legacy of faith to my seed.

What is possible doesn't always line up with what people actually do. You know that.

82 posted on 03/07/2012 5:36:37 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

In every generation there are those who choose to live in the End Times.


Right, and also there are those who can not see it, most being not old enough to have seen any thing, but come to think of it things are changing so fast it should not take any one very many years to be able to see it.


83 posted on 03/07/2012 6:00:04 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: Bellflower
Don't you think that you are a thousand years too soon with the end? The real end doesn't happen until the end of the millennium when once again many of the world, under the inspiration of a released Satan, go marching against Israel, are annihilated and then the brand new earth and heavens replace the old. Now that war just might last only six or seven days.

It's my understanding that the REAL end of this world has to be at least 1,007 years away. You have the 7 year Tribulation and the 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth first. Now the end of the Age of Grace can happen anytime, and I believe that is before the tribulation.
84 posted on 03/07/2012 6:17:14 AM PST by crosshairs
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To: cuban leaf

Just an interesting thought: The word “antichrist” does not occur in Revelation. What, in Revelation, is called the “beast” is what many mean when they use the word “antichrist”.


I believe anti Christ is referring to the spirit of satan while the beast is the tool that he uses.

Jesus attracted such crowds that satan knew that if he could use him as a tool he could rule the world back then, Jesus did not go for it so satan uses people of prominence where ever he can find them.

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The high places must be here on earth because satan and his angels were kicked out of heaven when Jesus was taken to heaven.

rev 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

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And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

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And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The high places are in government whether it be secular government church government or any other kind of government clubs, etc. i do not mean that all of them are with satan but that is what satan is after for his use.


85 posted on 03/07/2012 6:25:34 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: pastorbillrandles

In view of the fact that death is always very near, it really is always the end times. However there are undeniable and unprecedented things which have happened that mark this time as different, whether we “choose” it or not, such as the re-emergence of Israel.


You got that right, we do not have the choice in this world except to get on satans band wagon thinking we are safe, or be willing to die for Christ and live, i hope i have the faith or guts or what ever you want to call it to choose the latter.


86 posted on 03/07/2012 6:36:54 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: ravenwolf

—I believe anti Christ is referring to the spirit of satan while the beast is the tool that he uses.—

That is how I see it as well.


87 posted on 03/07/2012 6:39:29 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: oldenuff2no

History shows that not one of them has ever been correct.


Maybe you should study history a little better, like Reagan told carter, there you go again.


88 posted on 03/07/2012 6:42:20 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: tacticalogic

In view of the fact that death is always very near, it really is always the end times.

The difference is whether be believe what we do will matter in the lives of our children and grandchildren. If you really believe it’s the End Times, then it won’t, and believing that will change what you do.


I do not see why it would change anything, you either believe God or you don,t and try your best to live accordingly, as far as Children and grand Children are concerned why would you teach them anything but what you thought was the truth?

You would not encourage any one to live in satans world so they would have a chance to live, would you? Satans people are going to go to eternal death.


89 posted on 03/07/2012 6:53:04 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: cuban leaf

Actually, I just did a double check. The Message version does use the word “antichrist” in 1 John just as other versions do, but where they say “lawless one”, etc. it says “”


Does it say anarchist in the scriptures that have been translated of old or is that some ones new translation?


90 posted on 03/07/2012 7:06:53 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: ravenwolf

—Does it say anarchist in the scriptures that have been translated of old or is that some ones new translation?—

Its in “The Message” translation. That said, the phrase translated “lawless one” in other versions is translated “anarchist” in that version. An anarchist is, by definition, lawless, so it does work. The only problem is that it is also used commonly as a label with more broad meanings.


91 posted on 03/07/2012 7:13:04 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: crosshairs

It’s my understanding that the REAL end of this world has to be at least 1,007 years away. You have the 7 year Tribulation and the 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth first. Now the end of the Age of Grace can happen anytime, and I believe that is before the tribulation.


I believe the thousand years has been here and gone, it is evidenced by the 1000 or (1290 is more appropiate )years of the holy roman empire with more kings and priests than you could shake a stick at.


92 posted on 03/07/2012 7:20:29 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: cuban leaf

—Does it say anarchist in the scriptures that have been translated of old or is that some ones new translation?—

Its in “The Message” translation. That said, the phrase translated “lawless one” in other versions is translated “anarchist” in that version. An anarchist is, by definition, lawless, so it does work. The only problem is that it is also used commonly as a label with more broad meanings.


Ok, i think i see what you mean but some times if we obey Gods laws we may have to disobey mans laws, so i think anarchist would apply in a different sense, in other words a lawless one in regards to our society could be called an anarchist, but it may just be some one who refused to disobey the word of God so would not be a lawless one where God is concerned.


93 posted on 03/07/2012 7:35:27 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: tacticalogic

True, but For anyone to live the Christian life in any age requires a miracle of grace- “the whole world lies in the wicked one”


94 posted on 03/07/2012 7:38:26 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: tacticalogic

I believe in prophecy. It says that evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse. Evil has made tremendous gains in corrupting the minds of people in just my lifetime. The embracing of evolution, abortion, sexual misconduct of all kinds, has changed our society for the worse, much worse.

In my 57 yrs, I have seen my, rural, west central IL community transform from strongly conservative in all aspects, into a liberal leaning, “what’s in it for me” mentality. A neighboring farmer I’ve known all my life has become pro-abortion, anti-gun, anti-war, pro-big government. His daughter was recently mugged on college campus in Peoria. She lost her purse and cell phone, but was only bruised. He was glad she didn’t have a gun, “because it might have been used on her”. Even if she had been raped, he was not for her having even a knife. He’s an example of the liberal cowardice that has taken over many. His kind would surrender, rather than defend his own family. This is the type of community that was completely the opposite to that mindset just two generations ago. Now, the brave God-fearing men in this community are certainly a minority, it seems.


95 posted on 03/07/2012 7:38:34 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: D-fendr

Thanks, I like your last quote about in the end it will all be seen to be obvious- It is the sam way with Jesus’ first coming- we read the gospels and wonder why they couldn’t see it


96 posted on 03/07/2012 7:41:32 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: ravenwolf

I agree with you. That’s why “anarchist” is not my favorite way of translating it.

In fact, to be blunt, it is as if the original text is translated to mean “lawless one” an then The Message version translates that to “Anarchist”, streamlining - but also confusing - the meaning. Lawless one is very clear. Anarchist needs to be looked up. And then you discover it means “lawless one”, among other things.

Do a search on the word “mansions” in the KJV (In my Father’s house are many mansions) and you will find that the word from which it was translated really means “room or dwelling place”. No other version translates it to “mansions”. And I don’t think they should. It would be like translating a phrase that says “In my dad’s garage are a lot of cars” to actually say, “in my dad’s garage are a lot of limousines.”

I don’t know why they used that word, other than to imply that it is better than anywhere we could live on earth. But that should be communicated via the rest of the scripture.

Neve


97 posted on 03/07/2012 7:43:59 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

I agree with you. That’s why “anarchist” is not my favorite way of translating it.

In fact, to be blunt, it is as if the original text is translated to mean “lawless one” an then The Message version translates that to “Anarchist”, streamlining - but also confusing - the meaning. Lawless one is very clear. Anarchist needs to be looked up. And then you discover it means “lawless one”, among other things.

Do a search on the word “mansions” in the KJV (In my Father’s house are many mansions) and you will find that the word from which it was translated really means “room or dwelling place”. No other version translates it to “mansions”. And I don’t think they should. It would be like translating a phrase that says “In my dad’s garage are a lot of cars” to actually say, “in my dad’s garage are a lot of limousines.”

I don’t know why they used that word, other than to imply that it is better than anywhere we could live on earth. But that should be communicated via the rest of the scripture.

Neve


I see what you mean, although i would have to know just what Jesus meant when he said my fathers House, what is Gods house, and was he referring to heavenly places? in which instance may be considered mansions.

I think that if i am saved i would consider the place where i was going to be a mansion or castle or something more than what i have here.

I have a room or dwelling place here, and believe me what ever i have in the fathers house will be a mansion to me, not disagreeing with you but i have read several other versions and i trust the KJV more than i do the others.


98 posted on 03/07/2012 9:16:30 AM PST by ravenwolf (reIf you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among othJust a bit of the long list of proofsre)
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To: Zuriel

I’m the same age, and have many of the same circumstances. I came to a different conclusion, but I didn’t start with the premise that it’s all about me and my life.


99 posted on 03/07/2012 6:32:11 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: pastorbillrandles
True, but For anyone to live the Christian life in any age requires a miracle of grace- “the whole world lies in the wicked one”

That still leaves us with the same deal everyone before us got. I don't see us having any claim to special circumstance.

100 posted on 03/07/2012 6:35:00 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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