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Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons, [Part 1]
The Colorado Catholic Herald ^ | 11/4/11

Posted on 03/08/2012 6:58:13 AM PST by marshmallow

Catholic attorney John Salza once found himself inside a masonic hall, being asked to take off his wedding ring and crucifix as he swore an oath to be reborn as a Freemason.

Although he knew in his heart that something was wrong, he did not leave right away. Over several years, he advanced to the 32nd degree in the Scottish Rite — a level that only a select group of masons are invited to.

While he was told that masonry was compatible with Catholicism, he eventually could not reconcile the two and left the masons. In 2008, Salza wrote a basic, short treatise, “Why Catholics Cannot Be Masons,” (TAN Publishing) that addressed the serious conflicts that lay between Catholicism and Freemasonry (including the Shriners).

In mid-September, Bishop Michael Sheridan interviewed Salza for his Catholic Radio Network weekly show, “Bishop Sheridan Presents,” and the show aired Oct. 1-7. Over the next 2-3 issues, we are running a transcript of the show.

Bill Howard, Editor In Chief

Bishop Sheridan: Welcome to all in the Lord Jesus. On our program today we are going to be discussing the topic of Masonry, or the Masons, or sometimes called the Freemasons; an organization that we know is not associated with the Catholic Church but wanted to bring up on this program because it seems, at least in my experience in talking to other priests and bishops, that there are perhaps a good number of Catholic men who become involved with the Masons, very often in very good faith, thinking that they are in a fraternal organization that is not in any way at odds with the Catholic Church. Our guest today, I think, is going to lead us in a very different direction. We are joined by John Salza. Welcome John.

John Salza: Your Excellency, thank you.

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To: Iscool

How do people condemn a private group with secrets when they don’t know the secrets?

It would seem if any of the tinfoil stuff were true it would have been reported already.

(btw in poking around the net I found the oldest reference to masonry is called the regus poem which is dated at 1390. I also found a slew of religious kookery sites.)


151 posted on 03/09/2012 8:38:57 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: M1903A1

and that right there is when I knew he wasn’t a Mason.

That and I just participated in a practice for the 3rd last night for another lodge.

Pretty funny guys.


152 posted on 03/09/2012 8:39:59 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: longtermmemmory
Freemasonry is a religion as follows:

Masons meet in temples, ....such as the Scottish Rite Temple. ...They have an altar ...and there is a "holy book" on it.... They have prayers, ..deacons, ...and religious titles for their leaders, ...such as High Priest and Worshipful Master..... They say that they bring men from spiritual darkness to spiritual light. ...In some Masonic degrees, they even serve communion.....

Although Freemasonry is a religion,' most Masons deny it.'..... They use double talk and say "We are an order of religious men, but not a religion." .....Most of them are quite sincere about this....... (Tom C. McKenney, "Please Tell Me," pages 81-82)

"Freemasonry is not Christianity, nor a substitute for it. It does not meddle with sectarian creeds or doctrines, but teaches fundamental religious truth."..... (Albert G. Mackey, "Encyclopedia of Freemasonry," page 162)

Most Masons sincerely (but wrongly) believe that Freemasonry is not a religion. How can they be so wrong when they are so sincere?...... Tom McKenney says, "...they were told upon entering the Lodge that, whatever their religion, Masonry would not conflict with or contradict it. They believed this because sincere men told them so. Those sincere men who told them so believed it because an earlier generation of sincere men had told them the very same thing. And so, this deception, which originated as a lie in Masonry's dark beginnings, is perpetuated generation after generation." (Tom C. McKenney, "Please Tell Me," page 82)

Masons are not supposed to mention the name of Jesus in the Lodge:

"A Christian Mason is not permitted to introduce his own peculiar opinions with regards to Christ's mediatorial office into the lodge." (Albert G. Mackey, "Lexicon of Freemasonry," page 404)

"Whether you swear or take God's name in vain don't matter so much. Of course the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, as you know, don't amount to anything, but Mah-hah-bone--O, horror! You must never, on any account, speak that awful name aloud. That would be a most heinous crime--unmasonic--unpardonable." (Edmond Ronayne, "Masonic Handbook," page 184)

James Shaw, a former Thirty-Third Degree Mason, was appointed Chaplain in the Scottish Rite. Since at that time he didn't know how to pray, he got a book of John Wesley's prayers and read one, ending "in Christ's name". For that he was sharply rebuked by his Commander and reported to the Secretary of the Scottish Rite, who told him that he was never to end a prayer "in Jesus' name" or "in Christ's name." (Tom McKenney, "Please Tell Me," page 72)

The vast majority of Masons, Freemasonry is 'a lifelong succession of deceptions'. .......Most Lodge leaders do not realize that they are deceiving their members. ......For the most part, they are simply reciting the same things they have heard and said, over and over, assuming that they are right and good...... However, the Princes and Adepts of Freemasonry deliberately deceive the Masons under them......... (See Tom C. McKenney, "Please Tell Me...Questions People Ask About Freemasonry -- and the Answers," pages 123-133.)

Masons take blood oaths, but are told that they are only symbolic. They participate in rituals that they don't understand, assuming that they must be alright because their masonic friends have done it.

Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them." .........(Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma," page 819)

Masons believe that God is the Light-bearer until the 19th Degree, .......as Pike writes, giving them new revelation.

This insight completely squares with stated Masonic policy of... 'deliberately misleading Masons in the lower degrees'... until they were really ready for the "truth....

This is the truth -- Masonry worships Lucifer:

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"................ [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted 'Scottish Rite of Freemasonry,' p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff

"When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft....... The seething energies of 'Lucifer' are in his hands, ......and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy....... He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, 'Tubal-Cain', who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare .....(Tubal-Cain is the password given in the Third Degree of Master Mason)....[Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff , Forward by Reynold E. Blight, '33rd Degree', K.T., Illustrations by J. Augustus Knapp, 32nd Degree, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, p. 48

"Freemasonry is not Christianity, nor a substitute for it. It does not meddle with sectarian creeds or doctrines, but teaches fundamental religious truth."..... (Albert G. Mackey, "Encyclopedia of Freemasonry," page 162)

The similarities between the witchcraft (first level) initiation and the masonic one are striking:

The initiate (candidate) is skyclad (naked) in the witchcraft ritual but in the masonic ritual he only need bare his left breast area. In each initiation a blindfold is applied and a rope is tied about the neck...symbolizing that the candidate is going by blind trust in the word of those who initiates him and that he/she is bound in such a commitment. ..........The candidate is led to bind himself by oath to the craft (occult) or lodge (masonic). Believers in Christ who submit themselves to such things violate the words of our Lord Jesus Christ to not make such oaths:

"But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation." James 5:12.

At the time that he is led in the oath, the candidate is disoriented, blindfolded, half naked, confused, afraid, and humiliated. He has been stripped of all his clothes and his wedding ring, and has put on something similar to pajamas, with one leg rolled up and the shirt half off his torso. He has been blindfolded with a hood, and had a rope put around his neck...... He has been led around during the initiation ritual like a blind dog on a leash..... He has no idea who is watching him or how many men there are.... He has been told that he is in darkness and must depend on Masonry to give him light.

After having been pressured into taking an oath that he never expected to take -- and which he only partly understood because he was disoriented and only heard a few words at a time -- the initiate is given a written copy of the oath. He is required to memorize it word for word. This is similar to being pressured into signing a blank check, and later finding out what it is going to cost you.<[> All of this is a powerful means of subjugation and mind control. It can bind men to the Lodge and its authority both mentally and spiritually. (See Tom C. McKenney, "Please Tell Me," pages 66-69 and 124).

The upper level masons are still not the highest level in their craft. In such highly secretive groups such as.... 'the rites of Memphis, the rite of Mizraim, the Palladium rite', etc. ....they grant candidates up to 90 degrees. In some it is even higher.

It is difficult for a man to turn away from Freemasonry because of the many blood oaths which he has made in order to obtain his degrees..... Furthermore, he has invested a lot of time, effort and money into Masonry, and many of his friendships and business connections are with fellow Masons.

153 posted on 03/09/2012 8:56:35 AM PST by caww
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To: M1903A1
Why would that seem amazing....it's a book...and available to any who have interest in reading cult propaganda and study of the cults.....You would do well to add discernment to you're judgment cap and make “righteous” judgment of those you critic. However you are right in that it's about the most boring reading one can get into.....however one does read.
154 posted on 03/09/2012 9:12:56 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

how do you force a group to become a religion when they say they do not want to be?

Again go back to the Olympics example. alters etc.

Every president has taken an oath on a bible.

all the religious fanatics have done is demonstrate the “eyes by refuse to see” concept. Is there even a recruiting program? I have never seen old men in fancy aprons trying to recruit people in airports.


155 posted on 03/09/2012 10:11:07 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: caww

Pure crap from start to finish.

You seem to think that if a group doesn’t cite the name of Jesus, why then it must be EEEEE-VIL. Ummm...no. Life doesn’t work on that kind of either/or basis.

You also seem to want to believe that all Masons must be horribly benighted saps, with no ability to grasp what they’re being hoodwinked into. Try again...most of the Masons I’ve known or met along the way have been quite intelligent and ethical. The kind of people who want to learn everything they can about their interests...the kind who, if they discovered they had been deceived into joining a malicious organization, would have not only left en masse (oaths be damned), they would have publicly denounced it in large numbers. Masonry would not have survived for hundreds of years if many of its members had concluded they were being hoodwinked.

The people that I knew who departed Masonry either were expelled for wrongdoing (stuff that would have gotten them fired from a job) or left for personal reasons (like getting passed over for advancement, or not getting the acclaim they felt they deserved). It would be interesting to know *all* the reasons the authors of these various “Freemasonry Exposed” and “Masonry is evil” tomes had for leaving the organization, assuming they ever actually belonged in the first place. Too many of them remind me a bit too much of David Brock.

Regarding the business about “Masons worship Lucifer”: Albert Pike was an extremely educated man. In this case, perhaps a bit overeducated...his “Lucifer” reference was based on a Hebrew translation of the Biblical “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Son of the Morning Star”. In the Hebrew translation, the figure identified in modern translation as “Lucifer” isn’t Satan-who-rebelled-against-God-and-was-cast-out-of-Heaven, it’s referring to an ancient king with such a high opinion of himself that his attire earned him the name “Son of the Morning Star” (a reference to the planet that rises and shines brightly in the eastern sky before dawn), and fell out of God’s favor for his hubris.

In short, Pike was referring to obscure knowledge that *he* understood, but his audience didn’t and still doesn’t. “Speaking over the heads of your audience” is never a good idea because, as in this case, it’s just asking for misunderstandings.

As to your last statement, it was remarkably easy for me to turn away from Freemasonry...I just stopped being involved. I will, however, happily step up to defend this fine organization when I see it being defamed by the uninformed, or people or organizations with ulterior motives.


156 posted on 03/09/2012 10:11:26 AM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: M1903A1
You seem to think that if a group doesn’t cite the name of Jesus, why then it must be EEEEE-VIL. Ummm...no. Life doesn’t work on that kind of either/or basis.

That is simply one of many reasons to see Masonry for what it is and it is not compatible with Christianity. You can argue against the authors comments....and excuse Pikes statements all you want....but I am not speaking from any lack of experience with those involved with Masonry.

Yes, most Masons at the lower levels are saps...though the upper levels lead them to believe otherwise of course, but they would be the first to acknowledge to one another the low enders are the grunt workers and all about deceiving them.

Intelligence has nothing to do with one being deceived, it does have to do with an individual getting high off the rhetoric the upper enders hand you...."Oh look what we can do for your business"....Oh look at the connections we will give you"...Oh look you're a member of a very prestigious secret organization privy to only a few "special selected men", "And oh my, Presidents and highly prolific individuals are Masons"......Which does play to men's egos in a big way...especially those who see themselves as "Intellectuals".

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell they are after the revenues the wealthier individuals bring to their table in order to go from one degree to the next...... Doctors, Lawyers, Politicians is where the big bucks are and they will "Pay to Play" with other big boys...... Heck look at those supporting Obama if you really want to see the 'intelligence' of our day, if you insist on calling it that.... and why claiming "intelligence" isn't exactly a favorable thing.

As for morality....just wait until they rise in the organization...and discover what goes on behind closed doors...... BTW my friends have left Masonry...and they were not at the lower levels....it was no easy feat I might add...and they did not come away unscathed of course........ These men who left did so because of much prayer for them...their blinded eyes finally saw Masonry for what it is, not what they wanted and determined it would be for them. Embarrassed that they, of "intellect", had fallen for the scam....and frightened for having mis-lead all those whom they did while they themselves rose thru the rank and file and recruited others.......

And contrary to what you think you know of other peoples involvement with Masonry's.....you do not have a corner on understanding Masons...in fact I would say you are much limited....one could easily assume you did not go the distance as my friends had done. I say this because those who have gone the distance and thereafter left would not at all agree with you.

I am curious if you wrote a formal resignation of leaving Masonry.....and in that why you were leaving. I'd assume you did not.

157 posted on 03/09/2012 2:36:13 PM PST by caww
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To: longtermmemmory

Women may join the Eastern Star or the Daughters of the Nile - both are masonic orders

Boys can join Demolay and girls can join Rainbow


158 posted on 03/09/2012 2:43:40 PM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: longtermmemmory
how do you force a group to become a religion when they say they do not want to be?

That's the whole point...you don't have to force it...it's how it is presented, and that over a period of time....just as in any cult group....it has all the signifigance of a religion without calling itself that....and why it's deceptive....most cults and false religions do likewise...Scientology and Mormonism comes to mind as are others...such as new Age and other so called "secret" groups.

People generally do not "follow" an organizations tenants unless they stand to gain something of value for themselves....Masonary tempts many with "success" stories and "better business" for the contacts. A good ol boys network appeals to men of "intellect"...But i must add that of recent years Masons ability to attract the intelligent as fallen short of doing so as before....thus they've become more relaxed in who they will now allow....thus to fill the rank and file of it's drain on membership..

BTW The President of the US swears an oath to uphold the nations constitution, and scurity of this country...not to a man....he does not swear allegiance to "Herman" the bizzare...nor does he go thru a mock representation of baptisim, the burial and reserrection pledging alligence to To 'Herman'...not even close to the masonic oaths nor the rituals they peform ...not even close.....

Yes there is a recruitment program....all members must have a sponsor...someone who "recommends them". Although some lodges no longer hold that as necessary since they are loosing members. They recruit generally from business meetings, other organizations where men of significance might attend, and the like..."who's who " if you will...are sought and attempts to persuade. So yes...they do "recruit"...they simply "hang out" at different places...

159 posted on 03/09/2012 2:57:11 PM PST by caww
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To: Sacajaweau

I have to go with his own writings.


160 posted on 03/09/2012 2:59:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: caww

Through family connections, I knew people at all levels of the Order, including State and National levels, for quite a few years. I left because I just wasn’t interested in it anymore and wanted to do other things.

I can only wonder at the twisted emotional need of some people to turn logic and common sense on their ear, and hate an organization that wouldn’t have lasted from 1717 to the present day if even half of the nonsense spouted about it was true.


161 posted on 03/09/2012 3:58:44 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: caww
It is difficult for a man to turn away from Freemasonry because of the many blood oaths which he has made in order to obtain his degrees..... Furthermore, he has invested a lot of time, effort and money into Masonry, and many of his friendships and business connections are with fellow Masons.

In my case, contributing factors include a move to obtain another career position and a very warm and wise Fransciscan priest.

162 posted on 03/09/2012 5:22:15 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: M1903A1
logic and common sense on their ear, and hate an organization that wouldn’t have lasted from 1717 to the present day if even half of the nonsense spouted about it was true.

Longevity has nothing to do with the rituals and oaths Masons adhere to today....since when did the enemy of mens soul cease his agenda? Different faces...same deceptions...and BTW the same arguements and denial by those who choose to remain favorable toward Masonry.

Care to explain the 27th degree to the 33 degree "secret of Masonary"?

163 posted on 03/09/2012 8:50:14 PM PST by caww
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To: MarkBsnr

It does seem to me that when one is ready to hear the real truth God appoints those who will reveal it as it is and not what one has been taught or told they should believe.

It is truly amazing that folks think it unimaginable the intellegent and wise men could fall into Masonary. Many at one time were just that...wise and intelligent, though I understands many of todays Masons are far less so then what once was. Still... people have this false sense of security in themselves that they would never fall for such things as Masonary and other cultish groups. All are vulnerable.

Thank God for Your Priest who appears probably new enough of Masonary to reveal it’s danger. The Caaatholic Church still stands very much opposses to Masonary.


164 posted on 03/09/2012 8:58:30 PM PST by caww
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To: M1903A1

You might reread the oaths taken...and further reports of how they can “harm” without anything physical.

You can protect Masonary all you care to...I will not for I know the great damage it can and has done to people and their families.

Further sharing that the initiate does indeed “swear” a penalty on himself....does speak volumes. What sort of stupidity to even consider such an oath and the ritual which goes with it.

A Christian is not ‘in darkness’ as Masons announce when they first begin the ritual....so then what kind of “light” are Masons bringing them into, via their ritual? There is only one “light of the world” and that is in Jesus Christ. So you see Masons start out on the wrong foot right from the get go in their intition ceremony...and that should give Christians a heads up from the get go as well.


165 posted on 03/09/2012 11:28:46 PM PST by caww
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To: caww; Kolokotronis; kosta50
Thank God for Your Priest who appears probably new enough of Masonary to reveal it’s danger. The Caaatholic Church still stands very much opposses to Masonary.

I believe that God keeps poking people, in order to get their attention. He did wonders with me, and He caused me to haul my sorry a** back into the Faith. I was my parish representative to the diocesan committee working on the five year plan for the diocese last year, and I teach CCD (Sunday School), and am a lector. I usually bring the more significant happenings in the Church to parish attention and they'll get mentioned in either the announcements / bulletin or in the intentions for Mass each week.

Oh, and they often ask me about the Catechism and Church history. God has caused a number of excellent people to cross my path in various venues, including FR, who have moved me much closer to Him and for that I am indebted beyond words.

166 posted on 03/10/2012 3:44:22 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I believe that God keeps poking people, in order to get their attention. He did wonders with me, and He caused me to haul my sorry a** back into the Faith.

Yes he does just that...and am glad you bring to your peoples 'significant happenings" they might not otherwise be aware of.

I think every church should have someone who keeps the people informed of that which threatens our freedoms and way of life. Had they been doing so then the public would have been better informed as the liberals and their agendas were attempting control. Now they have that control and we see the outcome AFTER the wolf is in the henhouse.

167 posted on 03/10/2012 4:15:55 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

I made the aging liberals squirm today when I offered prayers for the leadership of Cardinals Dolan and Wuerl in fighting against the Administration in their wholesale attack upon the Catholic Church and the possible shutting down of a quarter of the country’s hospitals.

None of them spoke to me after Mass today...


168 posted on 03/11/2012 3:48:54 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
None of them spoke to me after Mass today...

They'll get over it....you just keep doing what you know will shake 'the people who do care' and open their ears.... those are your hearers...shake hard Mark!

Jesus did say there would be division among us when so many within the church today are not Christians. Remember some are not "of us"....the wolfs among the sheep.

169 posted on 03/11/2012 3:57:24 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
None of them spoke to me after Mass today...

They'll get over it

I know them - they won't.

those are your hearers...shake hard Mark!

I'll do my best.

Jesus did say there would be division among us when so many within the church today are not Christians. Remember some are not "of us"....the wolfs among the sheep.

Good point, although many of these liberals are less aligned with the canids and more aligned with parasitic roundworms.

170 posted on 03/11/2012 4:47:25 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Are you a Mason?


171 posted on 04/20/2012 8:24:36 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Claud
I have wondered about Freemasonry for many years, sometimes believing that there is something to the rumors and at other times disbelieving. Now I am convinced. All the pieces are coming together. Everyday there are new assaults against Christianity and common sense. This is not coincidence, it is very much planned.

Freemasonry is a very deceptive religious and philosophical organization that has had a long term goal of creating a world government and world religion. This is what the Bible warns us about. They want to rule the world. There is a very tiny number of people who are very high in society who know what the true purpose of Freemasonry is. They want to wipe Christianity of the map. There true religion is Luciferiansim which teaches that Lucifer is good and Good is bad. It is totally upside down. These people are perverse megalomaniacs who are very intelligent making them very dangerous.

Many of the Founding Fathers were Masons but they were not involved in the nefarious workings of the order. John Quincy Adams denounced the Freemasons. During the eighteen hundreds many people began to discover the hidden motives of the Freemasons and there was a big backlash against them.

www.freemasonrywatch.org

172 posted on 04/20/2012 8:50:03 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: ontap

Your not supposed to silly.


173 posted on 04/20/2012 9:02:12 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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