Skip to comments.Pat Robertson Backs Legalizing Marijuana
Posted on 03/08/2012 8:30:25 AM PST by AnTiw1
Of the many roles Pat Robertson has assumed over his five-decade-long career as an evangelical leader - including presidential candidate and provocative voice of the right wing - his newest guise may perhaps surprise his followers the most: marijuana legalization advocate.
"I really believe we should treat marijuana the way we treat beverage alcohol," Mr. Robertson said in an interview on Wednesday. "I've never used marijuana and I don't intend to, but it's just one of those things that I think: this war on drugs just hasn't succeeded."
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You have no idea what you’re talking about.
You have no idea what Lib Joe said that got him zotted.
And perhaps you should take your complaints about “government control and morality policing” up with a certain Jim Robinson. If you have a problem with what Jim does, or if you want to add a great big “Atta-Boy” to the Lib Joe remarks, then by all means do so.
But before you do - take some time to know what you’re talking about first.
in Lincoln Nebraska they send minor offenders out to cut wild weed all day...they grew hemp for victory over there too, a seed falls in the dirt that’s all it takes
Personally, I wouldn't consider some kid that experimented with it once, or takes a hit occasionally at a party to go along with the crowd to be a "drug abuser" that needs to get hauled off to rehab.
I don’t know if the tests are able to distinguish between hard drinking and social drinking. But if you are looking for a job, that is not the time be going out partying. While you are looking for a job, take a few weeks off drinking. I mean, I don’t drink. I don’t do drugs. After the drug test, and they make your offer letter official, that’s when you go have some fun and celebrate. And it’s what I plan on doing this weekend. My first day at my new job (which is paying me $500 a month more than my current job) is March 19th and I could not be more excited.
I have had to do a drug test for every one of the jobs that I’ve gotten in the last 12 years. Dell (building computers), FedEx (loading trucks), Walmart, (again, loading trucks at distribution center) my current tech support job (helping stupid people get their laptops online), and now my new one. I know the drill. Grab a bottle of water on the way and chug it down. Inform the tester of prescriptions you are currently on.
Businesses have a right, and a vested interest in keeping druggies out of there. If someone that is on pot or drunk is driving a forklift in the warehouse, he could seriously injure or kill someone. Hell, when I was at Dell, one of the material handlers ran a forklift through a wall into the trainers office. He was asked if he was hurt, and 20 minutes later he was sitting in the clinic down the street waiting to give a sample. By the way: He did fail the whiz quiz, so he got fired. So... Businesses keeping drug users off the company books, I am ok with. Cops smashing down doors, killing people and arresting people for simple possession, I am wholeheartedly against.
this is your brain off weed (from post #50) "Lets see.....legalize it and really tax it.....the Mexican drug lords will undercut the price of the legal stuff and we just increase the number of psychotic people.....what do I care if people use it?......it would be nice to live on an island with no other people, but we do have all those messy other human beings around and I dont need any more psychotic people in this country thank-you very much.....the punishment hasnt stopped people from using it.....hmmmm......lets not punish anything then, well just surrender and line up for al qaeda to shoot us.....in order for democracy to work, the citizens must have courage.....illegal drug users are cowards.....if you want to know why this country keeps electing fast-talking Democrat thieves, well, have another toke and maybe the answer will come to you.....Im tired of all the lazy, stupid and chicken illegal drug users in this nation.....you want to end the illegal drug problem?...heres how......Hey! Illegal drug users! Face reality! Its not going away no matter how much weed you smoke. And as for those of you who want to legalize it so your pot is cheaper or because you want the profits off the misery of others or because you dont care about the miserable wretch illegal drug users......well.....fuck you"
Ha! Don't sweat it. I often post from an iPhone and I know how auto-correct can lead to funny typos. I was about to make a smart-ass comment along the lines of, "I don't know about you, but I usually shit downwards".
Actually, with a quick search, I was able to find what Joe said that got ya all flustered. He pointed out the major flaw in Santorum and Gingrich and it got you so riled up that you needed to see him banned, for fear of actually having to think for yourself. By the way, at one point, the boss man posted FUNG towards Newt, so dont pretend like we all think Newt is some great conservative. he was just the guy who was leading at the time against Mitt.
But, that isnt really the point. Back to the topic, I said your delight in having someone silenced really speaks to your desire for government control and morality policing. And you make it evident. When Joe said something you didnt like, you ran to Jim. When I said something you didnt like, you brought up Jim’s name as some kind of warning to fall in line behind you.
I didnt say anything about FR rules or about Mr. Robinson. I only commented on your actions. You may need to ask yourself why you are so insecure that you need to threaten people with being kicked off of a website when they disagree with you.
All but one of your links in that posts were to government propaganda, and the one that wasn’t stated that smoking pot is has similar risks to smoking cigarettes. Well no $hit, Sherlock. And it’s amusing that you take the Obama/Biden DEA’s hysteria so seriously. What’s next, are you going to cite the Justice Department in gun control threads?
See? This is what I hate about libs who hide behind the Constitution. Libs who bring out the 10th Amendment to advance their liberal pro-porn, pot and prostitution agenda. "
it was so ignorant...lol...i just thought people would like to see it again...
Well if the numbers don't do it for ya how about the links I posted on the harmful effects of pot...
We can each post links till we're blue in the fingers - but how do they stand up to scrutiny? Let's look at your first link:
"Marijuana is harmless"
Straw man - nobody on this thread said that.
"Marijuana is not addictive"
Straw man - nobody on this thread said that either.
"Research shows that kids who use marijuana weekly are nearly four times more likely than nonusers to report they engage in violent behavior."
Correlation is not causation - all this proves is that kids who break some laws break other laws. What a shock.
"In 1999, the Institute of Medicine (IOM) published a review of the available scientific evidence in an effort to assess the potential health benefits of marijuana and its constituent cannabinoids. The review concluded that smoking marijuana is not recommended for any longterm medical use"
What a distortion. Here's an exact quote: "there is no clear alternative for people suffering from chronic conditions that might be relieved by smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting."
I don't have time to dissect every factual and logical error in every link you toss up. Suffice it to say that links don't win debates.
As opposed to the metality of the PRO-POT types...
Maybe that should be in your tag line, "I am pro pot"...
There’s lies damn lies and statistics. That’s why the numbers only “do it” for liars. We all know that on some level pot, and tobacco, and booze, and cough syrup, and sudafed, aren’t completely harmless. Any time you’re screwing around with the body’s chemistry, especially in a way that’s specifically designed to get you high, something is getting dinged up and if you do it enough bad things happen. So all blathering about “harm” is just a BS strawman. The question is whether or not it’s any of the government’s damn business, and the answer is not if we want this to be a free country.
Should we ban alcohol so kids won't use it?
Actually, since kids report that they can now get marijuana more easily than cigarettes or beer, it follows that the best way to restict their access to drugs is to make them legal for adults only (thus giving those who sell to adults a disincentive to sell to kids - namely, the loss of their legal adult market).
Cannabis can precipitate the first episode of psychosis If someone has a predisposition to a psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia, use of drugs such as cannabis may trigger the first episode in what can be a lifelong, disabling condition. There is increasing evidence that regular cannabis use precedes and causes higher rates of psychotic illness.
Source? Not everything you find on the Internet is true, y'know.
Psychotic illnesses are characterised by: Delusions for example, the person believes they have special powers. Hallucinations for example, the person hears voices or sees things that arent really there. Thought disorder for example, the person has difficulty organising their thoughts. When people experience psychotic symptoms, they are unable to distinguish what is real. They lose contact with reality.
Sounds like the last time I got drunk.
I gave substances up, of all kinds decades ago...I gave up booze(much more recently) because of a physical illnesses that could not take it...not because it was psychologically destructive in moderation....which it was not...
To misquote a dirtbag homo pedophile drug addict, Alan Ginsberg, who wrote this quote for all the wrong reasons....
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness....
I don't remember the 60's
I don't see a response there to any of my points above.
"Do you think that driving while high is safe?"
Um ... no. Does ANYONE think that? What in the world was the point of you posting this link?
BTW you obviously missed the dates of the supporting articles in the reference section...
I had friends like you....didn’t realize how efffed up on pot(or their drug of choice) they were....as they lost everything, then wondered why.
That will go over with conservatives....
Hell even some libs aren't even that goofy...
it's statistically less harmful than tobacco or alcohol
if you think prohibition is for our own good, then why not outlaw alcohol and tobacco, those two drugs alone account for 93% of all drug related deaths...answer?
reminder...alcohol and tobacco are the sole cause of over 1,000,000 deaths per year...cannabis is the sole cause of ZERO deaths per year
what are YOU doing to outlaw dangerous drugs like alcohol and tobacco...and how can i help? ;^)
Nope. Not yet. Let me educate you on my motivation to call for the zot to Lib joe.
It was not personal. I can't ever recall FReeping with him before. I really don't know anything about his prior history.
But I am convinced he was a liberal. This place is crawling with liberals. See my tagline for further input on what I consider a liberal is.
I hate liberals. I am a social conservative. I vehemently disagree with their liberal social policies and political views. And I'm not ashamed of my moral convictions as opposed to their immoral views. Like how they want to surrender in the WOD.
So yeah. I gloated over the demise of Liberal Joe. I believe there is no more divisive issue that tears apart the fabric of Free Republic than the issue of SoCons vs. libertarians, and I am more than just a monthly contributor, I put HOURS each day into this site FReeping the truth and keeping a lookout for liberal trolls that need removing.
Am I fearful of an opposite viewpoint? Nope. As is evident on this pro-dope thread - I am in the minority about this issue. But I relish to chance to counter that opposite viewpoint and SPEAK MY MIND never the less.
And when I score a win for the right side - I'll gloat if I want to.
Sorry if that ticks you off.
So I will put you down as PRO-POT...
And I’ll put you down as no good filthy liar.
I’m pro FREEDOM and respect for the Constitution. Both of which are being destroyed by the WOD, which YOU said had failed.
No, the conservative answer = small government. Period. I'm sorry you don't get that.
Advocating for Government to punish and imprison people for what they do to their own bodies is "it takes a village" rubbish.
As we can see in Ron Paul threads that attrat an almost identical audience they are far from the majority. But put Marajinan or Pot in the thread title and they are Johnny on the spot...
Gee that is a tick confusing given your posts...
I’m pro freedom. Some painfully stupid people supporting a WOD that they themselves admitted has failed might confuse that with pro pot. But that’s their own fault for supporting a war they know has failed, a situation which tends to lead to confusion as their basic position is confused.
Of course, he doesn't want alcohol outlawed because that's his drug of choice.
Despite all the harm it causes, which he professes to care about when it's drugs that are not alcohol.
does that come with a t-shirt?
Their rights end where mine begin. A corner stone of how our systems works.
Your drug use inspires my kid to do something stupid, that effects me. Your show up at my business as an employee stoned, screw up and injure yourself or another co worker or a customer, that effects me.
That is the responsibility thing that separates you libertarians from Conservatives. Why great Conservative leaders never ran as libertarians. There is a point where rights intersect in a community and society. Every man has a right to do as he pleases as long as its effects do not impact anyone beyond his island. However no man is an island completely unto himself is he?
You laugh, I was just thinking that is what was needed...
It appears that the Holy Reverend Pat took a vacation in Jamaica.
You may be right.
As we all know - there is a large contingent of Freepers many consider to be the Nannies of this site. I won’t name them or ping them, cause I am on good terms with them (you had better be or they will freep-mail around and BOOM! You get zotted)
But anyway... As soon as some libertarian slips up and claims abortion is a States Rights issue - you see “them” (me included) swarm in like flies, and before long the viking kitties are there with an IATZ.
So why this silence with drugs? I don’t really know. Clearly drugs are a moral wrong and you’d think that us “moral busybodies” would pressure them off the site. But no...
I know I would contribute a lot more if FR wasn’t so liberal, but that’s just me. But if the 2 month long FReepathons are any clue, then it does appear there are factions and problems here.
My alcohol & caffeine drinking inspires your kid to do stupid things?
That is the responsibility thing that separates you libertarians from Conservatives.
Except I'm not libertarian. Although I agree with them on drug laws. What separates them from you in this regard is they believe in the Constitution.
There is a point where rights intersect in a community and society. Every man has a right to do as he pleases as long as its effects do not impact anyone beyond his island.
And how does someone smoking marijuana impact society any differently than drinking alcohol?
Yes, this is critical. And I guarantee you that if marijuana were legalized, this would be the first thing that liberals and conservatives would battle over. Liberals would seek to make pot smokers a special class with the special rights, namely the right to be hired and to work with THC in their system.
And before you come back, again, with a pro freedom response, exactly where does your pro freedom argument end?
It’s very simple you see your whole “PRO POT” is a strawman you use pathetically to try to corner people and avoid troubling things like logic. I use logic. And I don’t have an “ally” there just happen to be other people that realize that the WOD is failed AND want it to end (as opposed to you who admitted it failed but still want it around anyway).
I already explained to you where the freedom logically ends. There was apparently too much logic in it, you didn’t even bother to reply with one of your strawmen. 105.
As I already told you, I haven't used pot or alcohol in several years. Luckily I have no friends like you ... who lie about people they don't know.
Of course when you strip it down, most just want to be able to light up free and clear. And while I am all for letting anyone to unto themselves what they will, there is a much bigger picture and responsibility, a line that has to be maintained, a balance, something we conservatives grasp.
Try: Pot is harmful but anti-pot laws are more harmful so I'm PRO-FREEDOM all the way.
One is either Pro pot or Anti pot.
Yeah yeah I know. I'll just have to be happy in the fact you guys have a long row to hoe before a majority of any type thinks making pot legal is just a dandy idea. That there are still folks responsible enough to see this for what is is gives me hope.
What governmentally enforceable responsibility is abdicated by drug use?
However these guys are good about staying in the lines by couching it in all the right terms.
Dittoes. But every once in awhile these libs jump the couch and blurt out something they truly believe that is - of course - anathema to fundamental conservatism.
And I’m hoping that someday soon that Just Say No guy jumps the couch and gets the zot. Man, will I be glad!
But for now - he is being very careful not to give himself away.
See? That’s another difference between us SoCons and them liberals. I can speak from the heart whereas they can’t
Actually that would be the logical fallacy of the false dilemma.
Which is really all you’ve got. Fallacies, lies and insults. And actually the majority is supporting us. But the government doesn’t like to let go of power, especially not a power that’s allowed it to completely shred the Bill of Rights. Have fun when the no knock raid comes to your house. Thanks to the WOD that’s the norm now.
Well good luck with that...
Keep the PRO FREEDOM in all caps, it may fool the straights into buying the argument to have pot available at Wal Mart......
Try: Pot is harmful but anti-pot laws are more harmful so I'm PRO-FREEDOM all the way.
Keep the PRO FREEDOM in all caps,
Just following your lead.
it may fool the straights into buying the argument to have pot available at Wal Mart......
I think pot should be about as restricted as hard liquor - does WalMart carry that?
I'm anti-pot, anti-alcohol, and pro-freedom.
(Oh and while you are at it, how many of your friends have been victims of no-knock raids exactly?)
But anyway... As soon as some libertarian slips up and claims abortion is a States Rights issue - you see them (me included) swarm in like flies, and before long the viking kitties are there with an IATZ.
So why this silence with drugs? I dont really know. Clearly drugs are a moral wrong and youd think that us moral busybodies would pressure them off the site. But no... I know I would contribute a lot more if FR wasnt so liberal, but thats just me. But if the 2 month long FReepathons are any clue, then it does appear there are factions and problems here."
if posting this article is cause to be 'zotted', i'm just going to need clarification from higher up...
i'm interested to hear that the reason FR isn't meeting its financial goals is that people like you can't zot "liberal" people like me, and that's why people like you don't give more...have you shared this theory with The Boss?