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Pat Robertson Backs Legalizing Marijuana
Clem Britt/AP ^ | Jesse McKinley

Posted on 03/08/2012 8:30:25 AM PST by AnTiw1

Of the many roles Pat Robertson has assumed over his five-decade-long career as an evangelical leader - including presidential candidate and provocative voice of the right wing - his newest guise may perhaps surprise his followers the most: marijuana legalization advocate.

"I really believe we should treat marijuana the way we treat beverage alcohol," Mr. Robertson said in an interview on Wednesday. "I've never used marijuana and I don't intend to, but it's just one of those things that I think: this war on drugs just hasn't succeeded."

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TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
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To: jmc813

Ah...

So being partially illegal (age restriction) is better than totally illegal from that stand point.

Makes sense...


251 posted on 03/09/2012 8:22:35 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Tau Food
If we legalize marijuana, isn’t that like saying that the hippies were right and we were wrong? I can’t live with that.

The hippies breathed air - so are you planning to stop? The alternative to legalization is to continue pouring billions of taxpayer dollars every year down the War On Marijuana rat-hole. I can’t live with that.

252 posted on 03/09/2012 8:25:25 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

You really are asking that aren’t you...


253 posted on 03/09/2012 8:26:31 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
Those kids would be burnouts whether it was legalized or not.

So being partially illegal (age restriction) is better than totally illegal from that stand point.

Since kids report that they can now get marijuana more easily than cigarettes or beer, it follows that the best way to restict their access to drugs is to make them legal for adults only (thus giving those who sell to adults a disincentive to sell to kids - namely, the loss of their legal adult market).

254 posted on 03/09/2012 8:28:53 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Raider Sam
Fallacy?

Seems pretty straight forward.

You either are for or against pot, fr or against legalization.

did I miss something?

Like for pot in a bong but not in a joint, against pot but for hemp? For pot with a twist of lime?

255 posted on 03/09/2012 8:31:05 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
So why should anyone be aghast at pot being sold at a WalMart that sells hard liquor?

You really are asking that aren’t you...

Yup. Hard liquor is worse news than pot - start with the fact that you can fatally overdose only on the former.

256 posted on 03/09/2012 8:32:16 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Like I said making it partially illegal I'm sure would help.
257 posted on 03/09/2012 8:41:00 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; nickcarraway
If the government legalizes it, taxpayers will be on the hook for the costs, welfare, rehab,

You are already subsidizing “drug enforcement” efforts worldwide, incarceration, etc. - well, if you pay taxes. Either way, we pay.

Good point. Also, why isn't nick banging the drum for a return to Prohibition, since he and other taxpayers are on the hook for the costs, welfare, and rehab associated with the drug alcohol?

and probably the drug itself.

Nonsense - taxpayers aren't on the hook for anyone's legal alcohol or tobacco.

258 posted on 03/09/2012 8:41:21 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Sadly society maybe heading that way. I am too old fashion, I still find the liberalization of society distasteful and agree with those who see pot as a gateway drug far more so than booze. Sticking it on a shelf is not the same as liquor.

But then we used to worry about such thing, not glamorize it. Why it seems the support for legalization of a drug has grown chronologically with how far the left has pushed the nation.

259 posted on 03/09/2012 8:49:19 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: AnTiw1
What's screwed up about the whole debate is that all the arguments are in the wrong order.

The first thing we need to get straight is where the legitimate authority lies to decide if it will be legal or not.

THEN we can talk about whether or not it should be legal.

260 posted on 03/09/2012 8:59:02 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ejonesie22
I still find the liberalization of society distasteful

How is smaller government and greater individual liberty "liberalization"?

and agree with those who see pot as a gateway drug far more so than booze.

"Children who use marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine than non-marijuana users. Children who drink are 50 times more likely to use cocaine than non drinkers." (http://www.sarnia.com/groups/antidrug/mjcnnct/addctn.htm) No support there for "far more so."

Sticking it on a shelf is not the same as liquor.

I don't understand what this statement means.

But then we used to worry about such thing, not glamorize it.

Selling something at WalMart is "glamorizing" it?

261 posted on 03/09/2012 9:26:14 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: ejonesie22

Oh, and on the subject of gateways, keep this in mind:

“People who enjoy the effects of marijuana are, logically, more likely to be willing to try other mood-altering drugs than are people who are not willing to try marijuana or who dislike its effects. In other words, many of the factors associated with a willingness to use marijuana are, presumably, the same as those associated with a willingness to use other illicit drugs. [...] There is no evidence that marijuana serves as a stepping stone on the basis of its particular physiological effect. One might argue that marijuana is generally used before other illicit mood-altering drugs, in part, because its effects are milder; in that case, marijuana is a stepping stone only in the same sense as taking a small dose of a particular drug and then increasing that dose over time is a stepping stone to increased drug use.” - “Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base”, Institute of Medicine, National Academy of Sciences


262 posted on 03/09/2012 9:40:41 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: ejonesie22

Nope, false choice. You can be apathetic towards pot. And a lot of people who are apathetic towards it are in favor of not jailing people for having it. ITs similar to smoking cigarettes in public. You can not like it without having to have the government ban it.

You are trying to make the debate solely about marijuana, but the debate is about the proper role government. There are plenty of things I dont do that I think should be or should remain legal.


263 posted on 03/09/2012 9:54:49 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: ejonesie22
You either are for or against pot, fr or against legalization.
did I miss something?
Like for pot in a bong but not in a joint, against pot but for hemp? For pot with a twist of lime?

For someone so on the straight and narrow, your grasp of written English is horrendous. Can you please try to rephrase that with rudimentary grammar so I can understand what the hell you're trying to get across?

264 posted on 03/09/2012 10:00:15 AM PST by jmc813
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To: tacticalogic
it's just a matter of time


265 posted on 03/09/2012 1:13:30 PM PST by AnTiw1 ("Where Liberty is, there is my Country." B. Franklin)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

So its a gateway. Thanks, since observed histories of many of my wife’s patients confirm that.


266 posted on 03/09/2012 1:35:58 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: jmc813
I think that was pretty clear except for the typo fr instead of for.

But all points considered I can see that throwing you off...

267 posted on 03/09/2012 1:39:06 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
So its a gateway.

"only in the same sense as taking a small dose of a particular drug and then increasing that dose over time is a stepping stone to increased drug use.”

Why this sort of "gateway" is relevant or interesting is beyond me.

268 posted on 03/09/2012 1:51:02 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Raider Sam; JustSayNoToNannies; jmc813
Guys guys guys, I get it, I have heard if from you libertarians and others both on the extreme right and the left for years.

But it doesn't matter how eloquently you state the case, how many times you speak of rights and the Constitutions and freedom and such, we are not arguing about guns or property rights or freedom of religion, we are arguing about making it easier to SMOKE POT!

Do you really think that the hard core conservative base, us God guns and guts folks among others, are really buying this? If it was as a conservative cause as you guys want to make it out to be it would have been on the platform as far back as Reagan's days.

And yet...

However you may get your shot. Since society seems to give less and less of a damn about what is right and moral and good you may well gain enough allies across the way and among those who just don't care and want their hit, pot may be right next to the smokes at the quick mart. I am sure Pixie stick tubes of crack and M&M bags of LSD will soon follow. Hey it is all about freedom, right?

Lord bless me enough to miss such days if they come to pass.

269 posted on 03/09/2012 1:53:25 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
we are arguing about making it easier to SMOKE POT

Therein lies the rub. "We" aren't all arguing about making it easier to smoke pot. Some of us are just arguing that the authority to make that decision was never granted to the federal government.

Every state has it's own laws about marijuana, and if every federal law about it were taken off the books tomorrow all the state laws would still be in place.

ENDING THE FEDERAL DRUG WAR WILL NOT LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.

The liberals have to be absolutely loving seeing these kinds of debates go on because it means they've sucessfully taken the idea of a republic, and what it means to have one out of the public consciousness.

270 posted on 03/09/2012 2:22:39 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ejonesie22
Do you really think that the hard core conservative base, us God guns and guts folks among others, are really buying this?

Only the ones whose minds are open to facts and logic.

271 posted on 03/09/2012 2:49:58 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

So every Conservative who is against legalizing pot is a close minded moron.

I’d go with that...

And good luck...


272 posted on 03/09/2012 3:00:39 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: tacticalogic
ENDING THE FEDERAL DRUG WAR WILL NOT LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.

But there are those here on this very thread who are not just wanting to end the WOD (not a bad thing, at least not as it is now) they also want to legalize pot...

Yes two different but very connected issues.

And yes I would support ending the war on drugs and leaving it up to the states. It worked better that way anyways.

The only thing the FEDs do is keep it out at the border leaving us to deal with the homegrown stuff.

273 posted on 03/09/2012 3:05:29 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
But there are those here on this very thread who are not just wanting to end the WOD (not a bad thing, at least not as it is now) they also want to legalize pot...

Yes there are, but not everyone who wants to end the federal drug war wants to legelize marijuana. We are NOT all talking about making it easier to smoke pot.

274 posted on 03/09/2012 3:13:16 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Fair enough...


275 posted on 03/09/2012 4:21:25 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
But it doesn't matter how eloquently you state the case, how many times you speak of rights and the Constitutions and freedom and such, we are not arguing about guns or property rights or freedom of religion, we are arguing about making it easier to SMOKE POT!

To my mind, we're talking about whether Joe Blow down the street has the right to put whatever substance he wants in his body, or whether the government has acquired the power to make that determination. If it is the government's (or society's for that matter), then as a principle they also have the power to tell you that you can't eat more than one cheeseburger a month or that you have to eat three servings of vegetables each day. They have the power to tell you what you can and can't do with your money (the product of your labor). They can require you to use some of your money to buy health insurance or pay union dues for that matter.

It is the principle of whether it is the government's responsibility to control how we live our lives or if we have self determination (limited of course by the extent to which our actions might infringe on somebody else's rights).

It is the government's responsibility to protect our rights. Not to take them away.

276 posted on 03/09/2012 7:26:08 PM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: AnTiw1

Some guy’s opinion is newsworthy? Really?


277 posted on 03/11/2012 4:38:01 PM PDT by alnick
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To: alnick
Pat Robertson is just "some guy"? To FReepers? Really?
278 posted on 03/12/2012 12:06:10 PM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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