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NYT Ad: Quit The Catholic Church
CMR ^ | March 9, 2012 | Patrick Archbold

Posted on 03/09/2012 2:43:45 PM PST by NYer

The New York Times published an ad from the Freedom From Religion Foundation which calls for nominal and liberal Catholics to abandon the Church.

The ad asks "Why are you propping up the pillars of a tyrannical and autocratic, woman-hating, sex-perverting, antediluvian Old Boys Club? " and states "No self-respecting feminist, civil libertarian or progressive should cling to the Catholic faith." [Full Text Below.]

It goes without saying that the brave brave NYT would never accept and publish an ad criticizing Islam in the same way. But leaving aside the obvious cowardice and their disgraceful perfunctory anti-Catholicism, I think the ad is good. If that is what you believe, get out.



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Dear ‘Liberal’ Catholic:

It’s time to quit the Roman Catholic Church.

It’s your moment of truth. Will it be reproductive freedom, or back to the Dark Ages? Do you choose women and their rights, or Bishops and their wrongs? Whose side are you on, anyway?

It is time to make known your dissent from the Catholic Church, in light of the U.S. Catholic Conference of Bishops’ ruthless campaign endangering the right to contraception. If you’re part of the Catholic Church, you’re part of the problem.

Why are you propping up the pillars of a tyrannical and autocratic, woman-hating, sex-perverting, antediluvian Old Boys Club? Why are you aiding and abetting a church that has repeatedly and publicly announced a crusade to ban contraception, abortion and sterilization, and to deny the right of all women everywhere, Catholic or not, to decide whether and when to become mothers? When it comes to reproductive freedom, the Roman Catholic Church is Public Enemy Number One. Think of the acute misery, poverty, needless suffering, unwanted pregnancies, social evils and deaths that can be laid directly at the door of the Church’s antiquated doctrine that birth control is a sin and must be outlawed.

A backer of the Roman Catholic presidential candidate says that if women want to avoid pregnancy we should put an aspirin between our knees? Catholic politicians are urging that the right to contraception should be left up to states? Nearly 50 years after the Supreme Court upheld contraception as a privacy right, we’re going to have to defend this basic freedom all over again?

You’re better than your church. So why? Why continue to attend Mass? Tithe? Why dutifully sacrifice to send your children to parochial schools so they can be brainwashed into the next generation of myrmidons (and, potentially, become the next Church victims)? For that matter, why have you put up with an institution that won’t put up with women priests, that excludes half of humanity?

No self-respecting feminist, civil libertarian or progressive should cling to the Catholic faith. As a Cafeteria Catholic, you chuck out the stale doctrine and moldy decrees of your religion, but keep patronizing the establishment that menaces public health by serving rotten offerings. Your continuing Catholic membership, as a “liberal,” casts a veneer of respectability upon an irrational sect determined to blow out the Enlightenment and threaten liberty for women worldwide. You are an enabler. And it’s got to stop.

If you imagine you can change the church from within — get it to lighten up on birth control, gay rights, marriage equality, embryonic stem-cell research — you are deluding yourself. If you remain a “good Catholic,” you are doing “bad” to women’s rights. You’re kidding yourself if you think the Church is ever going to add a Doctrine of Immaculate ContraCeption.

It is disgraceful that U.S. health care reform is being held hostage to the Catholic Church’s bizarre opposition to medically prescribed contraception. No politician should jeopardize electability for failure to genuflect before the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. (Question to ask your Bishop: Does he hold up an umbrella against the rain? Isn’t that just as “unnatural” as using a condom or diaphragm?)

Your Church hysterically claims that secular medical policy is “an assault against religious liberty.” You are savvy enough to realize that the real assault is by the Church against women’s rights and health care. As Nation columnist Katha Pollitt asks: Is it an offense against Jehovah Witnesses that health care coverage will include blood transfusions? The Amish, as Pollitt points out, don’t label cars “an assault on religious liberty” and try to force everyone to drive buggies. The louder the Church cries “offense against religious liberty” the harder it works to take away women’s liberty.

Obama has compromised, but the Church never budges, instead launching a vengeful modern-day Inquisition. Look at its continuing directives to parish priests to use their pulpits every Sunday to lobby you against Obama’s policy, the Church’s announcement of a major anti-contraception media campaign — using your tithes, contributions and donations — to defeat Obama’s laudable health care policy. The Church has introduced into Congress the “Respect for Rights of Conscience Act, ” a bill to place the conscienceless Catholic Church’s “rights of conscience” above the rights of conscience of 53 percent of Americans. That the Church has “conscience rights” to deny women their rights is a kissing cousin to the claim that “corporations are people.” The Church that hasn’t persuaded you to oppose contraception now wants to use the force of secular law to deny contraceptive rights to non-Catholics.

But is there any point in going on? After all, your misplaced loyalty has lasted through two decades of public sex scandals involving preying priests, children you may have known as victims, and church complicity, collusion and coverup going all the way to the top. Are you like the battered woman who, after being beaten down every Sunday, feels she has no place else to go?

But we have a more welcoming home to offer, free of incense-fogged ritual, free of what freethinker Bertrand Russell called “ideas uttered long ago by ignorant men,” free of blind obedience to an illusory religious authority. Join those of us who put humanity above dogma.

As a member of the “flock” of an avowedly antidemocratic club, isn’t it time you vote with your feet? Please, exit en Mass.

Very truly,

Annie Laurie Gaylor
Co-President
Freedom From Religion Foundation


ht Gateway Pundit


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1 posted on 03/09/2012 2:43:50 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

If the shoe fits ..... Until then, we Catholics will continue to pray for our “on the cusp” brothers and sisters.


2 posted on 03/09/2012 2:45:02 PM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NYer
"Why are you propping up the pillars of a tyrannical and autocratic, woman-hating, sex-perverting, antediluvian Old Boys Club?

Anyone else find it ironic that they use the Biblically-based word antideluvian?

3 posted on 03/09/2012 2:46:17 PM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: NYer
antediluvian???


LOL!

4 posted on 03/09/2012 2:49:26 PM PST by haywoodwebb (Keep your focus on the TRUTH and we will prevail . . . One Day at a Time, Mates!)
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To: NYer

MEanwhile PAnetta is saying the UN mandate overseas the US congress approval for war... against the USA, I suppose.

America is clueless under Obama, battling these provocation and emotional activities for women, while we are about to be invaded or attacked. They say Obama is smart, it means that liberals have given up paying attention to what Zero is doing and they are going to play stupid from here on out.

But so be it, let the liberals quit the CAtholic church and join their moslem friends where they will have no choice between nun or bikini, but only a hijab and forced to have no opportunity but be some sex or reproduction slave of Islam. Islam loves the pill for dhimmi women.


5 posted on 03/09/2012 2:49:42 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: NYer

Gee, for a moment, I thought that description was about the Kennedys and Bill Bubba Clinton.


6 posted on 03/09/2012 2:52:39 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Thane_Banquo

YEah, well, Pelosi looks like a modern day blow up doll with a hole in it, so, antedeluvian is fine by me in so far as I am not concerned about my values being washed by the deluge, quite the contrary, they are the only thing that will keep afloat.


7 posted on 03/09/2012 2:53:24 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll

Think of it as cutting an anchor chain that has been dragging through the mud.


8 posted on 03/09/2012 2:57:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: NYer
Is there anyone who still doubts that there is a war against Christians being waged by the Obama Administration?

The Democrat Party and the MSM are viciously anti-Catholic and anti-Christian. There is an ugly and brutal struggle ahead. The people Democrats characterize as clinging to their guns and their religion are the going to be destroyed if they refuse to defend themselves.

Why do you think all sincere Christians are vilified by the MSM?

9 posted on 03/09/2012 2:57:38 PM PST by detective
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To: NYer

Do they seriously think people care more about politics than God? Not endorsing any particular denomination, but to someone who belongs to denomination X, they do so because they think denomination X best represents their proper role to God. It isn’t trivial to them, they don’t do it for the same reason they would wear a certain color or fashion or trend.


10 posted on 03/09/2012 3:05:51 PM PST by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: NYer

I wonder if the New York Times would have been willing to print an ad encouraging people to quit the Muslim faith?


11 posted on 03/09/2012 3:07:03 PM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: NYer
We were all "somethings" about that small.

Liberals use the same argument for killing the unborn. The Democrat party song is "Short people got no reason to live."

12 posted on 03/09/2012 3:13:13 PM PST by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: detective

IT starts against Christians and does not end there. The jealous of the vital spaces of people does not end there. They will go after Jews and more.

In fact, a cow breeder from Europe once joked to me that in Europe they do not feed hormones to their meat for eating but to their women directly to prevent reproduction and make them fat.

These people are at war with anything decent.


13 posted on 03/09/2012 3:16:32 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: NYer
If there are any so-called "Catholics" who are so weak in their faith that they would actually be swayed by a NY Times ad placed by the "Freedom from Religion Foundation" - we can say that they have already left, and they probably should make it official.

"So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth."

Revelation 3:16

14 posted on 03/09/2012 3:18:36 PM PST by PGR88
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To: NYer

Non of this is truly free because it is not sustainable lifestyle, period. THis is why they are revolting and asking the government to dictate the atheist terms in the end. Atheists I know are confused and, aside from the morale giving soundbites from the Nazi media MSM sergeants, they are truly hungry for God.


15 posted on 03/09/2012 3:19:13 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: NYer

As a “protestant” evangelical I view this affair from a different angle... I do not want to see anybody stop either believing in Christ (if it is possible to truly stop) or to stop living a godly life. This ad is simply crass — no serious biblical evangelical, no matter the philosophical differences with the Roman Catholic church, would give it the time of day. Not even Martin Luther would have wanted this with its negatively focused approach and advocating for nothing positive but only a miasma of liberal social gospel.

To make what I think is a fair observation, however, the Roman Catholic church invited a lot of this kind of internal agitation when it acquiesced in the way high profile schools using its name thumbed their nose at some of its most fundamental teachings. Oh sure it said that was wicked and wrong, but never yanked the schools’ permission to claim being part of the Roman Catholic big tent. If a church claims to represent the name of Jesus Christ it has some awesome responsibilities to live up to.


16 posted on 03/09/2012 3:20:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: PGR88

Indeed, I do not know why none of them come out the closet so long not everyone is on the homosexual bandwagon, unless it is to avoid feeling bad and stupid next to a person who has more self-respect. To wit, this was Jesus’ “error”, to stand there strong and “humiliate” the weak lawyers, scribes, pharisees and sanhedrins in their hypocrisy.


17 posted on 03/09/2012 3:22:24 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: detective

Seems to me that we’re watching events very similar to the lead up to the American revolution. Then as now, the churches became a target of tyranny because the churches were a source of resistance.


18 posted on 03/09/2012 3:22:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: NYer

The left continues its rather naked assault on Christianity.

This, piled on to their other usual assault on freedom in general.

The requirement that everyone, catholics included, provide contraception in their insurance plan is obviously is an assault on catholic institutions that don’t want to do that, as well as removing from insurers their right to establish their own business plan.

Why not require insurers to provide free groceries? Is the church against eating?


19 posted on 03/09/2012 3:26:03 PM PST by marron
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To: cripplecreek

Interesting poin. Thanks for the post.


20 posted on 03/09/2012 3:26:38 PM PST by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NYer

We Shall Never Surrender http://youtu.be/shRLCaNreFE


21 posted on 03/09/2012 3:39:50 PM PST by KingNo155
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To: NYer
feh...
22 posted on 03/09/2012 3:40:09 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: NYer

Why are you propping up the pillars of a tyrannical and autocratic, woman-hating, sex-perverting, antediluvian Old Boys Club?

Well . . . if you really want to know . . . it's because we think that good is better than evil, and with God's help we try to follow what He wills.

23 posted on 03/09/2012 3:44:00 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NYer

AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!


24 posted on 03/09/2012 3:44:05 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NYer
It never was about Rush or contraceptives, just about destroying Christianity. Wake up America.
25 posted on 03/09/2012 3:45:11 PM PST by maddogtiger
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To: maddogtiger
“Various are the pleas and arguments which men of corrupt minds frequently urge against yielding obedience to the just and holy commands of God.”

-Reverend George Whitfield
26 posted on 03/09/2012 3:48:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: NYer

According to the Census of the 2011 Annuario Pontificio (Pontifical Yearbook), the number of Roman Catholics of the world is about 1.181 billion at the end of 2009 (At the end of 2008, it was about 1.166 billion).

According to the CIA Factbook, the five countries with the largest number of Catholics are Brazil, Mexico, Philippines, the USA, and Italy.


27 posted on 03/09/2012 3:52:56 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Cometh the hour, cometh the man. NEWT GINGRICH 2012)
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To: NYer

The premise is correct. Everyone at one time or another must choose which Master they will serve. The Lord himself said no one can serve two masters. Those who put out this ad and those who choose to follow them will choose to serve a Master other than the Lord. As long as they understand they are rejecting God then they are free to make that choice, God allows them that freedom. But they will also have to understand the consequences of that choice. As for me and my house, I choose to serve the one true Master and Lord.


28 posted on 03/09/2012 3:55:05 PM PST by chimera
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To: NYer
I actually agree with this ad 100%.

Anyone who doesn't accept what the Catholic Church stands for should find something else to do with their time. There is no place in any organization for disruptive malcontents.

If I was a Boy Scout and I hated the outdoors, nobody would think twice about telling me that I'd be better off doing something else.

29 posted on 03/09/2012 3:55:58 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: NYer
Freedom From Religion Foundation
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There is no philosophical vacuum called “Freedom from Religion”. Every sentient being has a religious worldview. It is either godless or God-centered. This is axiomatic.

Also...There is almost nothing in this life that is religiously neutral in content or consequences. This is one of the major reasons why government should be as limited as possible and most civic services should be provided by the free market.

30 posted on 03/09/2012 4:01:14 PM PST by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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Too bad they didn’t leave 30 years ago.

They would have done less damage.


31 posted on 03/09/2012 4:01:42 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: Alberta's Child

Agree.

The real point of the advertisement is that the tenets of a political party are mutually exclusive with those of Christianity! One cannot be members in good standing in both the democrat party and the Catholic Church. Our Presidential candidates should use this in their ads.


32 posted on 03/09/2012 4:16:35 PM PST by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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Those who can see past the obvious anti Catholic/Jewish biases of the revolutionary war era may appreciate the pro resistance sentiment expressed in the following. The anti Catholic/Jewish sentiments expressed here are regrettable but I remind everyone that today we are much stronger together.

The Rights of the Colonists by Samuel Adams The Report of the Committee of Correspondence to the Boston Town Meeting. November 20, 1772

An Election Sermon by Simeon Howard, A.M. Sermon preached to the Ancient and Honorable Artillery Company, in Boston, June 7, 1773

Many more documents and papers here.

Primary Source Documents Pertaining to Early American History
33 posted on 03/09/2012 4:22:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: NYer

The homosexuals and pedophiles are on a roll. They’ve become pretty bold and obnoxious since the so called “courts” awarded them protected species status.


34 posted on 03/09/2012 4:30:12 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for Americans to WEAN the government off of OUR money!!!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
The homosexuals and pedophiles are on a roll.

..and they know where they'll find a receptive audience - the New York Times.

35 posted on 03/09/2012 4:37:55 PM PST by WeatherGuy
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To: cripplecreek

Except then the elite were for the Revolution to secure freedom. Now they are for the revolution to destroy freedom.


36 posted on 03/09/2012 4:46:00 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer
The ad asks "Why are you propping up the pillars of a tyrannical and autocratic, woman-hating, sex-perverting, antediluvian Old Boys Club?"

This is going to have the exact opposite effect of the one they desire.

37 posted on 03/09/2012 4:47:49 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopaths.)
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To: redgolum

We had two sets of elites then. The loyalists backing the British and the Patriots backing freedom.


38 posted on 03/09/2012 4:58:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: I_Like_Spam
Hells Bible only too happy to print this ad. I didn't realize Wi atheist Annie Laurie crazy ugly bitch had the kind of money to run this ad. Wonder if it was Soros assisted or perhaps NYT contributed it to the cause? Please do leave all you delusional liberal and nominal Catholics so our churches can be disinfected and exorcised.
39 posted on 03/09/2012 5:02:47 PM PST by mimaw
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To: NYer

I liked the cartoon. Actually if they swallowed they wouldn’t need abortion contraception or birth control.


40 posted on 03/09/2012 5:06:47 PM PST by Venturer
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To: NYer; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; VinceASA; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; pieces of time; ..
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41 posted on 03/09/2012 5:53:07 PM PST by narses
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To: NYer

People who leave the Church leave her because she is a pre-medieval institution; and people who love the Church love her because she is a pre-medieval institution.

Isn’t God’s Providence wonderful?


42 posted on 03/09/2012 5:57:36 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Alberta's Child
I actually agree with this ad 100%. Anyone who doesn't accept what the Catholic Church stands for should find something else to do with their time. There is no place in any organization for disruptive malcontents.

Those were my first thoughts. LOL

Unwittingly the heathens are doing the Church a favor.

43 posted on 03/09/2012 5:59:30 PM PST by heyheyhey
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To: I_Like_Spam
I wonder if the New York Times would have been willing to print an ad encouraging people to quit the Muslim faith?

BINGO!

Now, if the ad would have encouraged Mormons to....oh, never mind.

44 posted on 03/09/2012 6:45:06 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: NYer
After I finished laughing out loud, I realized that if there was an "on-the-fence" Catholic in the audience, this might just prick their conscience to make a firmer stand on behalf of the Church, perhaps even return to full participation.

God writes straight with crooked lines, and we never know when something like this, intended for evil against the Church, can be turned to something positive and constructive.

The atheists had better watch out. What's the old saying? "Be careful what you wish for..."

45 posted on 03/09/2012 6:52:41 PM PST by redhead (Alaska: Step out of the bus and into the food chain.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The ad asks "Why are you propping up the pillars of a tyrannical and autocratic, woman-hating, sex-perverting, antediluvian Old Boys Club?" This is going to have the exact opposite effect of the one they desire.

I agree with you 100%. It's almost as if that's what Annie Laurie Gaylor wants...only she is truly so arrogant, I think, that she wouldn't IMAGINE anyone disagreeing with her.

46 posted on 03/09/2012 6:54:40 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: heyheyhey
Unwittingly the heathens are doing the Church a favor.

And so it goes. As it was, so it will be. Christ was quite clear.

47 posted on 03/09/2012 6:56:06 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: NYer

Is there a link to the ad in the NYT? I’m only finding the 2nd hand link to the Creative Minority Report. I want to send it around to some of my friends, but want to make sure I can prove it was in the NYT.


48 posted on 03/09/2012 7:01:39 PM PST by CH3CN (A stitch in time is worth two in the bush.)
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To: heyheyhey
Unwittingly the heathens are doing the Church a favor.

Like asking termites to leave a house.

49 posted on 03/09/2012 7:18:33 PM PST by Chesterbelloc
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To: NYer

I’ll help Pelosi,Kerry,and the Kennedy family pack!


50 posted on 03/09/2012 7:29:50 PM PST by massmike (Ma. Voters: A vote tomorrow for Santorum is the "no to gay marriage" vote you were denied in 2007!)
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