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[LDS] Group calls on Santorum to disavow pastor over Mormon comments
KSL.com ^ | March 14th, 2012 @ 10:50am | KSL.com

Posted on 03/14/2012 2:51:59 PM PDT by T Minus Four

SALT LAKE CITY -- An LDS-oriented group is calling on GOP presidential hopeful Rick Santorum to disavow a pastor who made anti-Mormon comments earlier this week.

In a news release, MormonVoices, which is associated with the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research, called for Santorum to "condemn the anti-Mormon comments made by his supporter, an honorary Florida chairman, the Rev. O'Neal Dozier" of the Worldwide Christian Center.

On Monday Dozier said "the Mormon religion is prejudiced against blacks, Jews and native Americans." He called Mormonism a "racist" religion and called on Romney to renounce it.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not issue a response to Dozier but earlier has said "people of all races have always been welcomed and baptized into the church since its beginning" and "the church unequivocally condemns racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the church."

Scott Gordon, managing director of MormonVoices, not associated with the church, said, "Dozier's comments represent a form of religious bigotry that should not be tolerated by any serious candidate for the Presidency of the United States. His comments are either ignorant or are willful misrepresentations for personal or political purposes."


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To: T Minus Four

/hiccups


101 posted on 03/14/2012 8:13:36 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: BlueMoose

http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/blackmormon/q37.htm


102 posted on 03/14/2012 10:23:41 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech10a.htm

http://mormonhomeevening.blogspot.com/2007/07/nauvoo-pageant-2007just-who-is-jane.html

http://www.realmormonhistory.com/god&skin.htm


103 posted on 03/14/2012 11:38:14 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ExGeeEye

Sounds good. It would be even better if he stole it from you verbatim.


104 posted on 03/15/2012 12:56:21 AM PDT by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: reaganaut
Its no that, its that a Temple Marriage (and kids) would have made it harder to leave.




105 posted on 03/15/2012 4:18:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Eva
This is an unnecessary waste of bandwidth.

Beats the HELL out of using SLAVE LABOR!



106 posted on 03/15/2012 4:20:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Eva
Yes, I was offended yesterday when it was posted and someone sent me an email calling it to my attention.BAD Someone!!


Have you scolded THEM??




107 posted on 03/15/2012 4:40:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
A) Why were you offended? What in this offends you?




108 posted on 03/15/2012 4:44:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Hodar; svcw

You are assuming that LDS people whole-heartedly are going for Romney - because he is LDS.
__________________________________________

No only 95% of them...

The 5% that wont are Conservatives


109 posted on 03/15/2012 5:15:03 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: bonfire

The first time that the article was posted, someone, a Romney supporter, sent me a FreepMail, calling it to my attention.


110 posted on 03/15/2012 8:51:09 AM PDT by Eva
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To: reaganaut

It is customary to pull duplicate threads on FreeRepublic. Did you do a search?


111 posted on 03/15/2012 9:03:52 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
It is customary to pull duplicate threads on FreeRepublic. Did you do a search?

Are you the thread police now?

112 posted on 03/15/2012 9:16:00 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

I could be. I’m very tired of the Romney supporters attack tactics.


113 posted on 03/15/2012 9:17:20 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
Report it to the admin. Roll Eyes Pictures, Images and Photos
114 posted on 03/15/2012 9:31:22 AM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Eva; Godzilla

It is only customary when they are from the same source. And the OP and most (if not all of us) on here are NOT Romney supporters.


115 posted on 03/15/2012 10:17:55 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

No, it is customary to remove duplicate posts when the content is identical. For instance an AP article could be printed on many, many web sites, but would not be acceptable to be posted from each site.

I know that many of you aren’t Romney supporters, many are Paulers. Same thing as far as I’m concerned.


116 posted on 03/15/2012 10:35:38 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

NOW you’ve done it! LOL


117 posted on 03/15/2012 10:39:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Eva; reaganaut; svcw; Godzilla; Elsie; Tennessee Nana; T Minus Four; RoosterRedux; bonfire; ...

I know that many of you aren’t Romney supporters, many are Paulers. Same thing as far as I’m concerned.

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Please point out the “Paulers”. None of the Flying Inamans including the OP support Paul. We are all for Newt and/or Santorum.

The point of posting this isn’t to attack Santorum but show the hypocrisy of Mormonism. Is that so hard to wrap your brain around?

Why are you so hostile to people who are ON YOUR SIDE candidate wise?


118 posted on 03/15/2012 11:02:14 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I don’t really care, who you are supporting. I’m tired of Freepers who do nothing but attack other GOP candidates and hound posters who support Santorum. That was the purpose of the Freepmail, calling my attention to the article.

The Santorum posters do not post negative articles about the other candidates, nor do they hound the supporters.


119 posted on 03/15/2012 11:05:39 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
I don’t really care, who you are supporting. I’m tired of Freepers who do nothing but attack other GOP candidates and hound posters who support Santorum. That was the purpose of the Freepmail, calling my attention to the article.

The Santorum posters do not post negative articles about the other candidates, nor do they hound the supporters.

Amen!

120 posted on 03/15/2012 11:08:59 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Eva; T Minus Four

LOL. You are completely off the rails here.

We need to attack Romney. You accuse us of supporting Ron Paul yet cannot provide support for that assertion and then state you don’t care who I support. Well you are the one who started with we are Paul supporters.

This posting isn’t an attack on Santorum at all. It shows the hypocrisy of Mormonism which is a big concern of the OP’s.

Your claim that Santorum supporters don’t attack other candidates is ludicris because I’ve seen Santroum supporters post anti-Newt articles and anti-Romney articles.

And to accuse Tminus (OP) of only posting articles that attack GOP candidates is completely insane.

Now which one of us are paul supporters and you were the one who came on and hounded us so your statement “ The Santorum posters do not post negative articles about the other candidates, nor do they hound the supporters.” is obviously wrong since you are on this thread hounding US!

Get over it already.


121 posted on 03/15/2012 11:13:24 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

The Freepmail that I received was challenging me to defend Santorum and to call on Santorum to denounce the Florida supporter. That is an attack on Santorum.


122 posted on 03/15/2012 11:34:58 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
Paulers............smiley laughing computer Pictures, Images and Photos
123 posted on 03/15/2012 12:04:03 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: svcw

I have no idea who the anti-Santorum people are, actually and I don’t care, but there are a lot of them posting on FreeRepublic. I happen to believe that it is counter productive to attack other GOP candidates and Romney scares me to death for a host of reasons, the main one being Obmaneycare.


124 posted on 03/15/2012 12:32:24 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Well, the freepmailer was wrong. Again, this isn’t an attack on Santorum, it is an expose of Mormon hypocrisy.

There are far too many people on here who will vote for Romney even if he is not their first choice. Those on this thread (at least most of them) will not ever vote for Romney.


125 posted on 03/15/2012 1:25:17 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Eva
I have no idea who the anti-Santorum people are...

I could guess...

126 posted on 03/15/2012 6:01:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Eva; svcw; Elsie

I have no idea who the anti-Santorum people are,

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Yet you accused us of that above and intimated that we were Romney or Paul supporters.

Make up your mind already!


127 posted on 03/15/2012 7:28:32 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I guess that itw hadn’t occurred to me that Gringgrich supporters were that far over the edge to stoop that low.


128 posted on 03/16/2012 6:51:48 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva; T Minus Four

Again you still seem to think this thread’s purpose is to attack Santorum, which it isn’t.

You are a one-track horse here.


129 posted on 03/16/2012 9:05:47 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

It is an attack on Santorum, very similar to the attacks that the Paulers made on Rick Perry.


130 posted on 03/16/2012 9:15:33 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva; T Minus Four

No, the Mormons are attacking Santorum. The OP, Tminusfour, supports Santorum and posted this to point out the hypocrisy of Mormons.

Touchy, aren’t you?


131 posted on 03/16/2012 9:45:49 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Eva

>I’m tired of FReepers who do nothing but attack other GOP candidates....<

Do you not understand that Mitt Romney is not the candidate. He is the White Horse of the LDS cult. If he becomes president, the one religion of the New World Order will be in charage of you and of me. It is amazing how many people will not venture out of their comfort zones to emkbrace the Truth.

You obviously have not read “The God Makers” by Ed Decker and Dave Hunt. Nor “Battle Hymn...the sinisterNew World Order”.


132 posted on 03/16/2012 9:53:45 AM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: reaganaut

I don’t care, the article was used to ask me to defend Santorum or call on Santorum to denounce the supporter by a Freeper who calls himself, B4Ranch.

He seemed to think it was pretty funny. All the posters on the first posting of the article were the Romney supporters.

Reposting the article played right into their hands and the hands of the Gingrich supporters, who like to claim that Santorum supporters are just too radical on social issues.


133 posted on 03/16/2012 10:13:56 AM PDT by Eva
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To: reaganaut; Eva
No, the Mormons are attacking Santorum. The OP, Tminusfour, supports Santorum and posted this to point out the hypocrisy of Mormons.

Touchy, aren’t you?

Coming in late. What in the world is going on here? Eva, I support Santorum. I said NOTHING to "bash" anybody. I live in Utah and see lots of Mormon-centric local news that may not make the papers in other places.

The article show-cased Mormon hypocrisy .

Furthermore, I'm amused but growing tired of you following me around and whining about duplicate threads, not that it was. Just be a woman and push the "abuse" button.

134 posted on 03/16/2012 10:25:35 AM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: Eva

I’m not sure what your problem is, but I would like to make clear to all that I have NEVER FReepmailed you.


135 posted on 03/16/2012 10:32:02 AM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: Eva

I’m not sure what your problem is, but I would like to make clear to all that I have NEVER FReepmailed you.


136 posted on 03/16/2012 10:32:02 AM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: Hodar; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...
There are approximately 6.1 Million Mormons in the US.

WIKI is taking the figures provided by the mormon church without the caveat that once baptized as mormon, members are carried on the rolls until the age of 110..unless there is proof of death. Since there are at least a couple of million of these baptized who haven't set foot in a mormon church for years, that number is highly inflated.

A majority of these are Conservatives. So, do you want ~4-5 Million voters, or do you want to alienate them?

See the membership statistics below from Cumorah.com and keep in mind that mormon children are baptized as members at the age of eight. If the remainder of these "conservative" mormons would vote for Obama because of the truth of their sect becoming known, they certainly are NOT conservative in any way.




Religion in United States
General Religious Data
Percentage attending religious services weekly: 44%
Estimated weekly average attending religious services (all faiths): 132000000
Major Religious Groups
# Faith Congregations Active Members Adherents Percent Annual Growth
1 Protestant 0 0 168000000 56.00% 0.91%
2 Catholic 0 0 84000000 28.00% 0.91%
3 Jewish 0 0 6000000 2.00% 0.91%
4 other 0 0 12000000 4.00% 0.91%
5 none 0 0 30000000 10.00% 0.91%
6 Jehovah's Witnesses 11426 988469 2153268 0.72% 0.91%
7 Seventh-day Adventists 4422 861954 1723908 0.57% 3.00%
8 Latter-day Saints 12753 2276268 5690672 1.897% 1.69%
Country religious adherents data courtesy of the World Factbook.LDS membership and unit data are derived from the LDS Church Almanac. Seventh-day Adventist statistics are from the Adventist yearbook statistical reports. Jehovah's Witness data are from the Jehovah's Witness yearly statistical report. Other data are from a variety of sources available upon request.

Extrinsic Religious Challenges and Opportunities: National and Cultural

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in United States
Official LDS Statistics
LDS Members: 5690672
Missions: 106
Temples: 62
Stakes: 1390
Districts: 13
Wards: 10778
Branches: 1975
Total Congregations: 12753
Derived LDS Statistics
Approx. Active Members: 2276268
Percentage of Members Attending Church Weekly: 40%
Average members per congregation: 446
Average active members per congregation: 178
LDS, as percent of population: 1.8968%
Active LDS, as percent of population: 0.7587%
LDS, as percentage of churchgoers: 1.724%
National population per LDS congregation: 23523
Annual LDS Membership Growth
# Year Members Annual Growth
Rate
Wards Branches Units Unit Growth
Rate
Proportionality
Ratio
1 1976 2336715 0% 0 0 0 0% 0
2 1978 2486261 3.1% 0 0 0 0% 0
3 1980 2693765 4.01% 0 0 0 0% 0
4 1982 2882145 3.38% 0 0 0 0% 0
5 1984 3049965 2.83% 0 0 0 0% 0
6 1986 3863598 11.77% 0 0 0 0% 0
7 1988 4100000 2.97% 0 1226 1226 0% 0
8 1990 4175000 0.91% 7456 1286 8742 75.4% 82.857
9 1992 4336000 1.89% 8056 1405 9461 3.94% 2.084
10 1994 4520000 2.08% 8433 1580 10013 2.83% 1.36
11 1996 4712000 2.08% 8719 1698 10417 1.97% 0.947
12 1998 4923000 2.19% 9189 1622 10811 1.85% 0.844
13 2000 5113409 1.9% 9627 1688 11315 2.27% 1.194
14 2002 5310598 1.89% 9999 1732 11731 1.8% 0.952
15 2004 5503192 1.78% 10357 1755 12112 1.59% 0.893
16 2006 5690672 1.67% 10778 1975 12753 2.57% 1.538
LDS membership and unit data 1976-2000 from Mark Davies' WW-LDS.
Proportionality Ratio is the ratio of the increase in units to the increase in membership. A ratio of 1 means that membership and church units are growing at the same rate.
National Population and LDS Growth Rates
Current LDS Membership Growth Rate: 1.67%
Current LDS Unit Growth Rate: 2.57%
Annual Population Growth Rate: 0.91%
Relative LDS Population Growth Rate (LDS membership growth rate minus population growth rate): 0.75%

Intrinsic Challenges and Opportunities of the Church of Jesus Christ
Convert Retention and Member Activity
While LDS activity rates in the United States are among the highest of any country in the world, less than half of members on the rolls are active. The Encyclopedia of Mormonism reports: 'Canada, the South Pacific, and the United States average between 40 percent and 50 percent [attendance at sacrament meeting].' (Source: Encyclopedia of Mormonism, edited by Daniel H. Ludlow, 1992, 4:1527.)

Marginal retention of new converts, and especially potential priesthood holders, remains a serious challenge:

'For the U.S. as a whole, only 59% of baptized males ever receive the Melchizedek Priesthood. In the South Pacific, the figure drops to 35%; in Great Britain, 29%. In Mexico (with almost 850,000 members) the figure is 19%; and in Japan, only 17% of the male members ever make it past the Aaronic Priesthood.' (source: Lowell C. Bennion and Lawrence Young, Dialogue, Spring 1996, p.19.)


137 posted on 03/16/2012 10:33:39 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Praise Jesus! I have been redeemed from the "restoration" of mormonism!)
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To: T Minus Four

Posting this article is an attack on Santorum. It was already posted by the Romney supporters before you reposted it.

Whether you intended it as an attack or not, that is what your are doing. It is the same tactic used against Rick Perry by the Paulers. Find a radical Mormon hater and tie him to Santorum, then demand that Santorum denounce one of his own supporters.

It not only hurts Santorum, it damages the whole social conservative movement.


138 posted on 03/16/2012 10:35:50 AM PDT by Eva
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To: T Minus Four

I never said that you did. It was a Romney supporter, I think that the name was B4Ranch.


139 posted on 03/16/2012 10:38:58 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Blah, blah, blah. You’re the only one who doesn’t get it.


140 posted on 03/16/2012 10:43:05 AM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: Eva

You never said WHO did. Again, complain to the mods who can do something about it rather than whine.


141 posted on 03/16/2012 10:44:28 AM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: greyfoxx39

And yet, somehow ... almost mysteriously ... Utah is ranked #5 in the US as the most CONSERVATIVE. Go figure ...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/146348/mississippi-rates-conservative-state.aspx


142 posted on 03/16/2012 10:48:42 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Eva
I never said that you did. It was a Romney supporter, I think that the name was B4Ranch.

Once again, massive FAIL Eva.

First of all, no such user.

Second of all, if there were, you should have courtesy pinged him/her.

Third, I only FReepmail my friends and acquaintances.

Fourth, and most importantly, you need to learn how to provide EVIDENCE when you make these accusations, such as a link to a so-called duplicate thread, or to a post within a thread.

143 posted on 03/16/2012 10:55:17 AM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: Hodar

We’re the home of the free-range RINO (sigh).


144 posted on 03/16/2012 10:56:57 AM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: Hodar

“A majority of these are Conservatives.”

Name _ONE_ nationally known conservative Mormon politician.


145 posted on 03/16/2012 10:59:46 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Hodar
And yet, somehow ... almost mysteriously ... Utah is ranked #5 in the US as the most CONSERVATIVE. Go figure

What does that have to do with your post # 11, "There are approximately 6.1 Million Mormons in the US. A majority of these are Conservatives. So, do you want ~4-5 Million voters, or do you want to alienate them?" which seems to indicate mormons won't vote for the republican nominee unless it's Romney because of the truth coming to light about the beliefs of mormonism?

That sounded very much like a threat...go figure.

My post was about the inflated figure you posted regarding mormon membership...and if mormons won't vote for anyone but Romney, they sure aren't "conservative".

146 posted on 03/16/2012 11:03:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Praise Jesus! I have been redeemed from the "restoration" of mormonism!)
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To: Eva; T Minus Four; svcw
Eva, this duplicate thread issue has come up occasionally on the Religion Forum.

The decision by the Religion Moderator has been that the same article can be posted if there is a period of a day between postings.

You ARE aware that this thread is on the Religion Forum, right?

147 posted on 03/16/2012 11:07:50 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Praise Jesus! I have been redeemed from the "restoration" of mormonism!)
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To: greyfoxx39

The posts were made within 24 hours.


148 posted on 03/16/2012 11:17:46 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

where’s the link little Eva?


149 posted on 03/16/2012 11:18:43 AM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: greyfoxx39

-oh, and it is not a religous article. It is a campaign article. Maybe it doesn’t belong in the religion section.


150 posted on 03/16/2012 11:19:22 AM PDT by Eva
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