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[LDS] Group calls on Santorum to disavow pastor over Mormon comments
KSL.com ^ | March 14th, 2012 @ 10:50am | KSL.com

Posted on 03/14/2012 2:51:59 PM PDT by T Minus Four

SALT LAKE CITY -- An LDS-oriented group is calling on GOP presidential hopeful Rick Santorum to disavow a pastor who made anti-Mormon comments earlier this week.

In a news release, MormonVoices, which is associated with the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research, called for Santorum to "condemn the anti-Mormon comments made by his supporter, an honorary Florida chairman, the Rev. O'Neal Dozier" of the Worldwide Christian Center.

On Monday Dozier said "the Mormon religion is prejudiced against blacks, Jews and native Americans." He called Mormonism a "racist" religion and called on Romney to renounce it.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not issue a response to Dozier but earlier has said "people of all races have always been welcomed and baptized into the church since its beginning" and "the church unequivocally condemns racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the church."

Scott Gordon, managing director of MormonVoices, not associated with the church, said, "Dozier's comments represent a form of religious bigotry that should not be tolerated by any serious candidate for the Presidency of the United States. His comments are either ignorant or are willful misrepresentations for personal or political purposes."


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To: T Minus Four

Look, I’m tired of perpetuating this despicable article. You can do a search, just like you should have done before you posted it.

I wish that there was someway to block the religion forum posts from the main page of comments, so we wouldn’t have to be bothered by them unless we want to.


151 posted on 03/16/2012 11:21:57 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

152 posted on 03/16/2012 11:26:01 AM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: T Minus Four

Are you a Romney supporter?


153 posted on 03/16/2012 11:46:01 AM PDT by Chunga (Ron Paul is a fruitcakey jackass.)
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To: Eva

Oh, come on Eva if you don’t like the post, think it’s duplicate, feel that people are unfairly attacking Santorum, press the abuse button, complain to the admin, do something else besides whining about it.


154 posted on 03/16/2012 12:12:50 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Eva

You only have to press the news/activism link, stop pressing the everything link and you will not see items in the religion forum.


155 posted on 03/16/2012 12:14:39 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Eva; T Minus Four

All the posters on the first posting of the article were the Romney supporters.

Reposting the article played right into their hands and the hands of the Gingrich supporters, who like to claim that Santorum supporters are just too radical on social issues.

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First, I highly doubt that about Romney supporters since that is grounds for a zot around here, but I do know we have some stealth romneybots.

Second, you are flat out hysterical. You remind me of a certain Perry supporter who drove a whole lot of people away from Perry with her accusations. You need to chill.

Third, you are not helping your candidate with your false accusations.

Fourth, who died and made you the arbiter of Santorum’s defense?

SHEESH!


156 posted on 03/16/2012 12:38:40 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39
Percentage attending religious services weekly:

Seventh-day Adventists 0.57%

HEY!!!

Our numbers are a LOT better if you'd come-a-counting on the RIGHT day!!!!

--SDA_Dude(how 'bout that 3% stuff!)

157 posted on 03/16/2012 12:55:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Eva; T Minus Four

. Find a radical Mormon hater and tie him to Santorum, then demand that Santorum denounce one of his own supporters.

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Um...this guy tied himself to Santorum and this guy IS RIGHT about MORMONS, he isn’t a Mormon hater he speaks the truth.

It is the Mormons who think this guy is a ‘hater’ and demanding an apology and the Mormons are the Romney supporters, not us.

Actaully according to you we are ‘radical mormon haters’.


158 posted on 03/16/2012 12:55:55 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: T Minus Four

Excellent! You rock!


159 posted on 03/16/2012 1:09:19 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
Based on what you said about the not being allowed into the mormon heaven and all.

This is one time BLACKs can actually count their blessings and have cause to celebrate, who wants to go to BIGOT heaven?

Blacks all over should just stand up and shout "THANK YOU" to the LDS.

160 posted on 03/16/2012 1:12:23 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: Eva; greyfoxx39; T Minus Four

and it is not a religous article. It is a campaign article. Maybe it doesn’t belong in the religion section.

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Well, since it involves the comments about the Mormon church and a Mormon group bullying, then gee, the RF is a perfect place for it.


161 posted on 03/16/2012 1:16:01 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Eva; greyfoxx39; T Minus Four

And still waiting for the link to the other posting....


162 posted on 03/16/2012 1:19:06 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Chunga; T Minus Four

Not in the least, Tminusfour is a Santorum supporter who lives in Utah.

This is about the hypocrisy of Mormons.

T is one of the flying inmans of FR.


163 posted on 03/16/2012 1:21:38 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: annieokie

You would think, but the LDS ‘god’ changed his mind after several lawsuits were filed against the LDS church and the court issued subpenas for their financial records to see if they were violating non-profit status (honestly).

So, rather than face bad publicity or turn over financial records (that most churches have open to the PUBLIC), the LDS god just rolled over and said ‘ok, Blacks can have the priesthood now’, after of course some convincing on the part of the LDS prophet...

I’m so glad the real God isn’t that fickle or bows to public pressure.


164 posted on 03/16/2012 1:25:51 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
Seems they are always FLIP FLOPPING, guess that is where Mittens learn his stuff. No real core there only sinking sand. Not the solid rock we stand on that's for sure.

We can only pray that some of these messages will sink in to some Freepers who blindly follow a screwed up religion.

Eyes to see, and ears to hear, but alas they do not. You and I both know they want to be right with GOD, and are stuck in the quagmire of LDS, one day it will be to late and they will find there is no other Planet for them.

Brings to mind the man in hell who wanted to be able to tell his brothers before its to late, which was denied. One life, one death, then judgement before the true GOD the I AM.

Why take the chance?

165 posted on 03/16/2012 2:06:08 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: Chunga

LOL! Far from it!


166 posted on 03/16/2012 2:07:48 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: T Minus Four

I thought you would get a huge laugh out of that question. LOL.


167 posted on 03/16/2012 2:09:59 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: annieokie

Amen!


168 posted on 03/16/2012 2:19:43 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I looked three days back and couldn’t find it, doesn’t mean it wasn’t there but never found it none the less.
Oh, well.


169 posted on 03/16/2012 3:16:04 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: svcw; Eva

Eva claimed it was within 24 hours of this post. I couldn’t find it either.


170 posted on 03/16/2012 3:26:07 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
This is about the hypocrisy of Mormons.

The woods are full of 'em.


171 posted on 03/16/2012 4:43:20 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Hodar; T Minus Four; greyfoxx39; All
There are approximately 6.1 Million Mormons in the US. A majority of these are Conservatives. So, do you want ~4-5 Million voters, or do you want to alienate them? Seems like a simple decision to me.

Ah, the great myth promoted by Hodar that only Christians are supposed to withstand the "alienating" vocab of religious convos 'tween Mormonism & Christianity.

Somehow Mormons -- for 180 years -- can publish MILLIONS & MILLIONS of worldwide "scriptures," curricula, articles, multi-media, online presentations, missionary door-to-door presentations...and label EVERY Christian as a "corrupt," heart-wandering "apostate" filled with 100% abominable creeds as part of the devil's church...yet if ONE Florida pastor holds ONE press conference to send a single volley across the net...suddenly Hodar's "alienation calvary" rides to the rescue!!!!

So, 'BREAKING NEWS' 4U Hodar...READ CAREFULLY:

#1 There's already been a 180-year schism 'tween Mormonism & Christianity...and guess, what? The Mormon church started it!

The fact is, Hodar, that Joseph Smith's first vision already attempted to squeeze our neck veins into breathing silence. He dug a gigantic graveyard for the worldwide Christian church, declared our...
...joinability null & void,
...ALL our creeds as an "abomination" to his god,
...and the heritage of our professing believers as 100% corrupt [see Joseph Smith History, vv. 18-19 of Pearl of Great Price]
The real question, then, Hodar is: "Do you & Freepers of like mind agree with these three Smithian assessments of Christians & the Christian church?"...

The reality is that a LOT of FREEPER threads focus on the already-existing wall between Romney and voter bases...this includes that 180-year schism begun by Romney's Mormon church (no FREEPER or Florida pastor created that; it already exists).

So, if this is a "wall of 'alienation'" you're referencing, about some great potentiality of "splitting up" a Mormon-Christian "marriage," well, ya just have flunked @ history.

#2 If Christians are not overly strained by Mormonism's slander of Christians, Mormons can grow thicker skin:

(a) To repeat: I know what the avg. Mormon believes about me. I know they don’t tolerate ANY of my creeds (their ‘good book’ & their leaders tell 'em those are automatically 100% abominable!)

I know many don't seem to perceive Christ’s righteousness in me (their ‘good book’ tells them I’m automatically ‘corrupt’).

I know they don’t respect our faithfulness to Christ and His church (their leaders & ‘good book’ tell them we’re all "apostates")

BUT, BUT...despite knowing all these walls Mormons have had in place for 180 years…does it keep me from linking up with a Mormon to oppose abortion, homosexual agenda, nationalized healthcare, higher taxes, working with youth as Boy Scout troop leaders, etc. etc ??? (No!)

So, if your "alienation" comment covers this so-called "separation" -- how is it that I and other Christians are able to work around Mormon-built walls, but somehow you think it's too "divisive" for Mormons to do the same in reverse?

I already know our beliefs are different. But somehow the wall-high belief system Mormons have about Christians is something we can stomach as we work with grassroots Mormons to some agree – but somehow they can’t do the same in reverse? Why not, Hodar?

(b) Lopsided, one-sided appeal to 'political unity': What I don't understand, is that apparently on matters that mean much to you or to Mormons – the putting forth of "my cause, my agenda" – the appeal will be made to "unity" so that we can ride on a common surfboard cuttin’ thru rough waters.’

Yet, when it comes to discussing biblical matters that mean much to us–-
--for example, the Great Commission in life, our mission, truth-telling...
...these things are all supposed to be submerged -- and only by Christians? (Not by Mormons?) (Why can't you at least try to hold them in balance and give them at least equal weight?)

Bottom line: If I can get along with Mormons who reference me as an
..."apostate" "corrupt" believer
...who belongs to the "church of the devil" -- a false and dead church --
...who supposedly believes in "abominable" creeds --
...then I don't think I can come up with as much to match just that one press conference re: this Florida pastor's accurate description of Mormonism.

Therefore, to some degree on pushing common socio-political objectives, things should be relatively hunky-dory.

172 posted on 03/16/2012 4:59:07 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Colofornian; Hodar; T Minus Four; greyfoxx39; Jeff Head

Mormons can grow thicker skin:

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Mormons are extremely thin skinned. They perceive every question as ‘hate’ and everyone who doesn’t speak about them glowingly as ‘antis’. How many times have we been called Nazis or worse? How many leaders of ministries to the LDS have received death threats? (answer to that is almost all of them).

On top of that add the hypocrisy that they have no issue calling Christians names or making fun of them and their beliefs.

It isn’t that Christians have thicker skin, it is that we have Jesus. For us it isn’t about protecting an organization like it is for the Mormons.


173 posted on 03/16/2012 5:36:21 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: MarkBsnr

LOL! Mrs Harris “Smart, Smart, Smart, Smart”


174 posted on 03/16/2012 5:38:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Because there isn’t one. I posted this within 5 hours of it being posted on KSL and it’s not a Reuters piece. But if it gives her a purpose in life....


175 posted on 03/16/2012 5:57:22 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: reaganaut
LOL! Mrs Harris “Smart, Smart, Smart, Smart”

I'm afraid that my workload has reduced me to being a part time Inman. I read more than I post, so don't worry, I'm still following the Inmans' exploits, and contributing what I may.


176 posted on 03/16/2012 6:07:23 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Colofornian
This comes from Mormonvoices.com.

These are the same people who claim that the Mormons are the victims whenever anybody complains about baptism of Holocaust victims, Martin Luther King, Jr., Hitler, and the like.

Per Mormonvoices, if you talk about this, it's unfair to Mormons:

"News coverage expressing outrage or ridicule over this practice is unfair to Mormons who are acting out of respect and selflessness rather than the religious triumphalism assumed by critics."

That may give you some idea of the mindset of this particular group.

177 posted on 03/16/2012 6:21:18 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: MarkBsnr

I’m afraid that my workload has reduced me to being a part time Inman

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Hey if it is paid work, that is a good thing in this economy. Don’t worry, bro, we got your back. ;)


178 posted on 03/16/2012 6:37:55 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: MarkBsnr
 

Polygamy: How it all got Started


 
 
 
Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?
 
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
 
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
 
Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
 
Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
 
 
Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
 
 
Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
 
 
 
 
 

 
...and the rest is HISTORY...
 

 
 
 
 
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

Or even HERE:
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



 
 
Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!!
 
Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!
 
 


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.


179 posted on 03/16/2012 7:03:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MarkBsnr

Ah; ya know we’ll still accept whatever you can do; for even a part-time Inman can still run circles around a full time MORMON.


180 posted on 03/16/2012 7:06:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
I’m afraid that my workload has reduced me to being a part time Inman

Hey if it is paid work, that is a good thing in this economy. Don’t worry, bro, we got your back. ;)

Much appreciated.


181 posted on 03/17/2012 5:47:21 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Elsie
Ah; ya know we’ll still accept whatever you can do; for even a part-time Inman can still run circles around a full time MORMON.

Very apt analogy.


182 posted on 03/17/2012 5:51:22 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Elsie
...or two.



Shut UP! We do this FULL time!

183 posted on 03/17/2012 6:51:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

The Rules

  1. Learn and obey all missionary rules.
  2. Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
  3. Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
  4. Don't debate or argue.
  5. Center your mind on your mission.
  6. Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
  7. Cut your hair regularly.
  8. Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
  9. Be neat and clean.
  10. Bathe frequently.
  11. Use deodorant.
  12. Polish your shoes.
  13. Iron your shirt and business suit.
  14. Arise at 6:30 A.M.
  15. Study for 2 hours every morning.
  16. Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
  17. Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
  18. Exercise regularly.
  19. Write in your journal regularly.
  20. Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
  21. Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
  22. Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
  23. Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
  24. Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
  25. Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
  26. Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
  27. End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
  28. Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
  29. Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
  30. Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
  31. Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
  32. Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
  33. Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
  34. Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
  35. Stay with your companion during all activities.
  36. Do not go on road trips.
  37. Do not leave your assigned area without permission
  38. Do not watch television.
  39. Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
  40. Do not listen to the radio.
  41. Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CD’s.
  42. Do not participate in musical groups.
  43. Do not participate in athletic teams.
  44. Do not sponsor athletic teams.
  45. Do not engage in contact sports.
  46. Do not engage in water sports.
  47. Do not engage in winter sports.
  48. Do not engage in motorcycling.
  49. Do not engage in horseback riding.
  50. Do not engage in mountain climbing.
  51. Do not embark on a private boat.
  52. Do not embark in a private airplane.
  53. Do not handle firearms.
  54. Do not handle explosives.
  55. Do not swim.
  56. Do not play full court basketball.
  57. Do not play basketball in leagues.
  58. Do not play basketball in tournaments.
  59. You may play half-court basketball.
  60. Never be alone.
  61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
  62. Be loyal to your companion.
  63. Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
  64. Pray with your companion every day.
  65. Study with your companion every day.
  66. Plan your work with your companion every day.
  67. Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
  68. Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
  69. Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
  70. Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
  71. Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
  72. Do not arise before your companion.
  73. Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
  74. Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
  75. Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
  76. Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
  77. Do not flirt.
  78. Do not date.
  79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
  80. Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
  81. Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
  82. Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
  83. Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
  84. Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
  85. Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
  86. Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
  87. Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
  88. Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
  89. Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
  90. Do not telephone parents
  91. Do not telephone relatives.
  92. Do not telephone friends.
  93. Do not telephone girlfriends.
  94. Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
  95. Take problems and questions to your mission president.
  96. Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
  97. Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
  98. Obey all mission rules.
  99. Obey the laws of the land.
  100. Do not get involved in politics.
  101. Do not get involved in commercial activities.
  102. Do not give any information about the area.
  103. Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
  104. Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
  105. Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
  106. Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
  107. Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
  108. Be courteous.
  109. Provide community service.
  110. Do not provide community service that isn’t approved by your mission president.
  111. Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
  112. Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidays—those are peek proselytizing times.
  113. Your mission president must approve your housing.
  114. Keep your housing unit clean.
  115. Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
  116. Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
  117. Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
  118. You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
  119. Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
  120. Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
  121. Maintain your health.
  122. Eat a healthy diet.
  123. Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
  124. Follow the approved exercise program.
  125. Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
  126. Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
  127. Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
  128. Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
  129. Be immunized.
  130. Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
  131. Budget your money carefully.
  132. Keep a record of what you spend.
  133. Do not spend more than your companion.
  134. Do not loan money.
  135. Do not borrow money.
  136. Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
  137. Pay your bills before leaving an area.
  138. Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
  139. Do not waste money on souvenirs.
  140. Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
  141. Be a frugal photographer.
  142. Do not accumulate excess baggage.
  143. Obey custom laws and regulations.
  144. Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
  145. Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
  146. Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
  147. Do not drive without a license.
  148. Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
  149. Do not drive members’ cars.
  150. Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
  151. Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
  152. Use cars only on approved mission business.
  153. Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
  154. Be conscious of safety at all times.
  155. Drive defensively.
  156. Wear your seat belt.
  157. Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving.
  158. If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
  159. Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer.
  160. Know bicycle safety rules.
  161. Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
  162. Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
  163. Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
  164. Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
  165. Go directly to your new area when transferred.
  166. Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
  167. Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.

184 posted on 03/17/2012 6:52:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
The guy on the left looks like a young Glen Beck but I don't think he grew up Mormon.
185 posted on 03/17/2012 6:54:54 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Elsie
My husband and I bought a condo in 1990. Before proceeding with the purchase we carefully read the HOA rules and regulations. Two of the regulations were:

1) It is not permitted to wash clothing in the Jacuzzi.

2) Swimming naked is not permitted and will result in a **HUGE** fine. ( I forget the amount.)

My husband laughed as said, “Each of these rules exists because someone did this!” :-)

Well.....I am certainly glad not to be supervising a bunch of 19 to 21 year old young men and women in a foreign country. Each of the items in the long list in your post is probably there for their safety and well-being.

186 posted on 03/17/2012 7:35:53 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: wintertime; Elsie; Utah Binger

Each of the items in the long list in your post is probably there for their safety and well-being.

- - - - -
Not all LDS missionaries go to a foreign country and the MP (Mission Pres) verily rarely sees the boys in he field or goes to their apt. The minions must go to the king.

And, yes, some of them are for their safety, but a good chunk of the purpose is control. LDS missions are a time when the LDS church makes one last attempt at brainwashing. Been there, done that.

It is interesting to note that one of two things happen after an LDS mission generally (particularly with the men). Either the “Returned Missionary” leaves the LDS (or goes ‘inactive’ which means no longer attends the LDS church), or they become a ‘Norman Mormon’ - a good faithful, brainwashed Mormon.

My husbands good friend in High School was LDS and always laughing and making jokes, real lively. My husband ran into him after his mission and was shocked at how he changed. He was somber, serious, and my husband said his eyes were souless. He came home and cried and said “they just sucked the life out of him!” and that is a pretty good description.

However, not everyone has those kinds of Missions. Freeper Utah Binger, broke several rules on his mission and left right after.


187 posted on 03/17/2012 9:57:44 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut; Elsie

It’s the overwhelming guilt they try to lay on you. I was just an independent soul steeped in disobedience and rebelliousness. One also learns to feign a certain sanctimoniousness.

And Denmark? Best two and a half years of my life. LOL


188 posted on 03/17/2012 11:14:31 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: BlueMoose

If it’s good for the goose it’s good.


189 posted on 03/17/2012 11:43:57 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
Well not all ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1KRP6-f7OY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

190 posted on 03/17/2012 11:51:25 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: wintertime
Each of the items in the long list in your post is probably there for their safety and well-being.

Oh!

No doubt about this at ALL!

Now then: is MORMONism similar to a Nanny State?

191 posted on 03/17/2012 12:23:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Binger
I was just an independent soul steeped in disobedience and rebelliousness.

was?

WAS???!!

You still ARE; you old fart!

192 posted on 03/17/2012 12:25:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Tourists would probably STILL be driving on gravel on UT-9 if you hadn’t ‘helped’ the authorities along!


193 posted on 03/17/2012 12:28:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

With the handicap.


194 posted on 03/17/2012 12:33:21 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose
With the handicap.

Yes; MORMONs do seem to be handicapped.

None on FR seem to be able to stand in the face of facts for very long.

195 posted on 03/17/2012 12:43:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Hey! LOL

Three hours until Corned Beef is ready. I think there must be one ounce of Irish somewhere in this old fart.


196 posted on 03/17/2012 12:44:33 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Elsie
But FR don't give MOD s handicap to Mormons. I guess they don't need it.
197 posted on 03/17/2012 1:25:40 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Elsie
But FR don't give MOD s handicap to Mormons. I guess they don't need it.
198 posted on 03/17/2012 1:25:58 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

Whatever that means.

IU all the way!


199 posted on 03/17/2012 7:20:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Thank you for your good work.


200 posted on 03/17/2012 8:08:34 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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