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[LDS] Group calls on Santorum to disavow pastor over Mormon comments
KSL.com ^ | March 14th, 2012 @ 10:50am | KSL.com

Posted on 03/14/2012 2:51:59 PM PDT by T Minus Four

SALT LAKE CITY -- An LDS-oriented group is calling on GOP presidential hopeful Rick Santorum to disavow a pastor who made anti-Mormon comments earlier this week.

In a news release, MormonVoices, which is associated with the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research, called for Santorum to "condemn the anti-Mormon comments made by his supporter, an honorary Florida chairman, the Rev. O'Neal Dozier" of the Worldwide Christian Center.

On Monday Dozier said "the Mormon religion is prejudiced against blacks, Jews and native Americans." He called Mormonism a "racist" religion and called on Romney to renounce it.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints did not issue a response to Dozier but earlier has said "people of all races have always been welcomed and baptized into the church since its beginning" and "the church unequivocally condemns racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the church."

Scott Gordon, managing director of MormonVoices, not associated with the church, said, "Dozier's comments represent a form of religious bigotry that should not be tolerated by any serious candidate for the Presidency of the United States. His comments are either ignorant or are willful misrepresentations for personal or political purposes."


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1 posted on 03/14/2012 2:52:03 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: T Minus Four

They tried this same stunt with Rick Perry.


2 posted on 03/14/2012 2:53:38 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: T Minus Four; greyfoxx39

On Monday Dozier said “the Mormon religion is prejudiced against blacks, Jews and native Americans.” He called Mormonism a “racist” religion and called on Romney to renounce it.

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Gee, truth hurts. And I can source those prejudices from their own prophets who claim to speak directly to God even on small matters.

In short,since it claims to be the ‘restored church of early Christianity’, if Mormonism were ‘true’ it NEVER would have had these racist teachings IN THE FIRST PLACE.


3 posted on 03/14/2012 2:56:25 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

“people of all races have always been welcomed and baptized into the church since its beginning”

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The were just not allowed into the Mormon Heaven (Celestial Kingdom), or their temples, or to pray in public, etc.

And Joseph Smith had a slave sealed to him to be his servant in the CK and Young took slaves as tithing in early Utah (Deseret).

Just more lying for the Lord from LDS inc.


4 posted on 03/14/2012 2:58:57 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: T Minus Four

I think the guy should apologize right after SLC lds apologizes to Catholics and Protestants for their doctrine/teachings that Catholics and Protestants are an abomination to God and whores of Babylon and that black people are cursed and not human.


5 posted on 03/14/2012 2:59:47 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: T Minus Four

This article was posted yesterday.


6 posted on 03/14/2012 3:00:45 PM PDT by Eva
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To: T Minus Four

Or what? He won’t get to be Milt’s VP choice?


7 posted on 03/14/2012 3:01:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: T Minus Four
"...the church unequivocally condemns racism, including any and all past racism by individuals both inside and outside the church."

Hmmm, methinks there is some doublespeak going on here.

"Racism" vs. "revelation", I guess if the "racism" contained in mormon scriptures and spoken from the pulpit by numerous church "leaders" is presented as "revelation", then it's not the church's fault?

Ergo, it must be God's fault?

8 posted on 03/14/2012 3:04:54 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: reaganaut
He called Mormonism a “racist” religion

But Mormonism is NOT a religion...it is a cult.

Religions offer their version of truth...take it or leave it. Cults suck you in with deception and lies and lock the door behind you. And cults always seem to benefit their leaders at the expense of their followers.

If cults were spreading the truth...would they need to lie about it? And would they need to apply coercion to keep you from leaving...or telling the truth about them (hence the Mormon secret rites..."can't let the rank and file know...they might tell the truth about us.")

9 posted on 03/14/2012 3:05:54 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Romney: "I can haz cheezy grits, Y'all?")
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To: T Minus Four
Let me pretend to be Santorum— as I would wish him to be— and then see how close he comes to it in reality:

“No one outside of my campaign is authorized to speak for me; nor will I speak for anyone outside my campaign; and under no circumstances will I avow or disavow another’s spiritual or secular beliefs or opinions, as every citizen is entitled to have them and express them freely under our Constitution.”

10 posted on 03/14/2012 3:06:04 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: T Minus Four
There are approximately 6.1 Million Mormons in the US. A majority of these are Conservatives. So, do you want ~4-5 Million voters, or do you want to alienate them? Seems like a simple decision to me.
11 posted on 03/14/2012 3:09:17 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: T Minus Four

May as well have this conversation now.


12 posted on 03/14/2012 3:11:33 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: T Minus Four

We’re from France”
- the Coneheads.


13 posted on 03/14/2012 3:12:00 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I think we ought to listen to Alinsky." - Governor G. Romney, father of Bishop Willard M. Romney.)
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To: ExGeeEye
Let me pretend to be Santorum— as I would wish him to be— and then see how close he comes to it in reality:

Let me pretend to be Santorum— as I would wish him to be— and then see how close he comes to it in reality:

The Preacher is correct, Mormonism is a cult, even my church recognizes it as such.

14 posted on 03/14/2012 3:12:00 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: T Minus Four

Just because Romney supporter and Libertarian talk show host Bill Cunningham called Santorum “Archbishop” because of his couragous stand on Eugenics/Obamacare still doesn’t make Santorum one. I don’t believe Dozier is his pastor unless he’s Catholic which he ain’t. They should go to that demonimation or don’t they know the difference between them or figure liberals are too stupid to know the difference.


15 posted on 03/14/2012 3:12:41 PM PDT by mosesdapoet ("The best way to punish a country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: Hodar

“There are approximately 6.1 Million Mormons in the US. A majority of these are Conservatives.”

95% of them are supporting Bishop Willard. Bishop Willard governed to the left of Bill Clinton. Bishop Willard and those who would support him are not conservatives.


16 posted on 03/14/2012 3:16:10 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I think we ought to listen to Alinsky." - Governor G. Romney, father of Bishop Willard M. Romney.)
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To: T Minus Four
How about they disavow every Mormon over the age of 60 who didn't publicly speak out and publicly work to get black men into the priesthood prior to 1978?

Oh wait, that might rule out Willard Romney...
17 posted on 03/14/2012 3:20:28 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Hodar

Ok, if they are as conservative as you say why do they vote in lock step (94-98%) for Romney and over whelming for Reid.
They are already voting for Romney, so what difference does it make, what an unknown guy says or doesn’t say.
lds are not as conservative as they appear to be, they do have a successful PR machine however.


18 posted on 03/14/2012 3:20:46 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: T Minus Four

Maybe after Obama publicly disowns his racist “reverend”.


19 posted on 03/14/2012 3:24:17 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: svcw

You are assuming that LDS people whole-heartedly are going for Romney - because he is LDS. This is a false assumption, like saying that Baptists, or Catholics are sheep, blindly following a candidate simply because he goes to the same church they go to.

I don’t like Romney, and I’m LDS. Why? Because I have no idea what Romney actually believes. Gun, Abortion, Gov’t mandated insurance, Illegal Immigration; he’s been on both sides of the fence.

I want to learn more about Santorum, but as this is areana of ideas; alienating any particular group is ‘stupid’. If a candidate were to attack your religion, would you vote for him? Or, would you simply withhold your vote because of that insult? Some will vote, others will withhold - so, the question is simple “What is gained by alienating millions of voters?”


20 posted on 03/14/2012 3:25:55 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: T Minus Four

We have to ask has anyone checked to see if this noisy little group actually represents a widely held opinion or are they simply an appendage of the Harry Reid crowd? The importance ascribed to them by the media may not have any weight other than the media likes them because they appear to tarnish Santorum.

I am loathe to accept that every offended toad croaks for the majority.


21 posted on 03/14/2012 3:26:31 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: reaganaut
And Joseph Smith had a slave sealed to him to be his servant in the CK and Young took slaves as tithing in early Utah

Just when you think those two can't be any lower...

22 posted on 03/14/2012 3:30:01 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: Steamburg

For those that wish to hum loudly about what is and what is not mormon... do not go the exmormon.org for those that might want a perspective other than the standard...feel free.


23 posted on 03/14/2012 3:32:23 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Hodar
If a candidate were to attack your religion, would you vote for him?

Did we read the same article? No candidate attacked Bishop Romney's religion. Pull the "victim card" much?

24 posted on 03/14/2012 3:33:18 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Hodar
There are approximately 6.1 Million Mormons in the US. A majority of these are Conservatives. So, do you want ~4-5 Million voters, or do you want to alienate them? Seems like a simple decision to me.

Really? How far would you go? Where's the line? Refraining from exercising your freedom of speech and religion? "Softening" your stance? Pandering? Lying?

25 posted on 03/14/2012 3:34:13 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: Hodar

Ok, I understand you are trying to spin this but I can tell you my lds family is voting for Romney BECAUSE he is lds, they know about his liberal record and do not care.
In their minds he is the fulfillment of a prophesy.
Romney has been groomed for this moment since he was born, by his dad and SLC lds corporation.
Romney is mormonism.
If you are not voting for him then you are part of a very small group of lds adults.
Santorum did not attack mormonism some guy who happens to like Santorum did.


26 posted on 03/14/2012 3:35:07 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Steamburg
I am loathe to accept that every offended toad croaks for the majority.

Agreed. Is this news because it's a Utah news-site?

27 posted on 03/14/2012 3:37:01 PM PDT by T Minus Four
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To: Steamburg

F.A.I.R. is a mormon apologist “group” that defines any disagreement with mormon doctrine or theology as “hate”.


28 posted on 03/14/2012 3:40:05 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: ExGeeEye
Let me pretend to be Santorum— as I would wish him to be— and then see how close he comes to it in reality:

The cat is already out of the bag. The horse is already out of the barn.

“No one outside of my campaign is authorized to speak for me; nor will I speak for anyone outside my campaign; and under no circumstances will I avow or disavow another’s spiritual or secular beliefs or opinions, as every citizen is entitled to have them and express them freely under our Constitution.”

vs.

Santorum said: "We look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles. It is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it."

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/santorum-benefits-from-mistaken-1361993.html

If he's comfortable talking about Protestantism, why shouldn't he be just as upfront about Mormonism?

29 posted on 03/14/2012 3:53:30 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Seamus Sez: "Good dogs don't let their masters vote for Mitt!")
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To: RoosterRedux

I agree, however I do understand him using religion rather than ‘cult’. Cult is a hot button word.


30 posted on 03/14/2012 3:59:40 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Graybeard58

“On Monday Dozier said “the Mormon religion is prejudiced against blacks, Jews and native Americans.” He called Mormonism a “racist” religion and called on Romney to renounce it”.

The preacher is absolutely right. The Catholic Church said the Morman “Church” was a cult many years ago. Only Mormans and Jehovah Witnesses, and one more cult I can’t think of right now, baptisms are not recognized by the Catholic Church. The reason? They don’t believe in the Trinity. They think some shyster named Joe Smith sits at the right hand of God and Jesus and Satan are brothers. And if you a good little Morman and donate alot of money to the Church you get your own planet when you die. I think it’s called Kolob.


31 posted on 03/14/2012 3:59:44 PM PDT by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: T Minus Four

This is a duplicate post and should be removed by the moderators. The same article was posted yesterday.


32 posted on 03/14/2012 4:04:56 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Hodar; T Minus Four

We want them to come to Christ and leave Mormonism.

Also, I would say about half, not the vast majority are conservatives, based upon those I know and have known over my life.

Also, the vast majority (based on exit polling) are voting for Mitt, how conservative is that??


33 posted on 03/14/2012 4:22:27 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: mosesdapoet; T Minus Four

They should go to that demonimation or don’t they know the difference between them or figure liberals are too stupid to know the difference.

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I vote for the middle one.


34 posted on 03/14/2012 4:25:55 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: T Minus Four; reaganaut

Looking for some commentary.


35 posted on 03/14/2012 4:27:37 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: ExGeeEye

Bravo! Very well said!


36 posted on 03/14/2012 4:28:15 PM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: T Minus Four

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/race-church


37 posted on 03/14/2012 4:30:53 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: mosesdapoet

Cunningham lost me as a listener when I heard him say this! We need to vet our talk show hosts more carefully!


38 posted on 03/14/2012 4:32:42 PM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Graybeard58

So what? What business is it of yours? Are you a Baptist?


39 posted on 03/14/2012 4:32:49 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: T Minus Four

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/racial-remarks-in-washington-post-article


40 posted on 03/14/2012 4:33:02 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Hodar; T Minus Four

You are assuming that LDS people whole-heartedly are going for Romney - because he is LDS. This is a false assumption, like saying that Baptists, or Catholics are sheep, blindly following a candidate simply because he goes to the same church they go to.

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Read KSL.com and the Deseret News pages. Most LDS ARE supporting Romney and many agree it is because of his being LDS. This is also shown in exit polls.

You appear to be an anomaly.

Santorum himself (not a supporter or worker) made a negative comment about ‘mainline protestants’ the other day, I’ll still vote for him. In short, he didn’t alienate me.

If Mormons can’t see beyond this then they are stupid.


41 posted on 03/14/2012 4:34:44 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: bert
So what? What business is it of yours? Are you a Baptist?

Read it again and pay attention this time. I was playing the original poster's game of speaking as I would if I were Santorum. Santorum's religion does indeed recognize mormonism as a cult.

42 posted on 03/14/2012 4:36:57 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Steamburg; T Minus Four; colorcountry

Mormon Voices is fairly well respected in Mormon circles and would probably influence others to agree with them.

IOW, it is designed to get votes away from Santorum and to Romney by any LDS who do not already support him.


43 posted on 03/14/2012 4:37:33 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: bert; NKP_Vet
Or better yet read the post from NKP_Vet at number 31. He understood what I was saying.
44 posted on 03/14/2012 4:39:02 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: T Minus Four

Every time you think nothing in Mormonism will shock you anymore, something does.

It is a neverending cesspool. Thank God, He got me out before I REALLY did something stupid (like get married in the Temple).


45 posted on 03/14/2012 4:40:14 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
Cult is also a word of many meanings.

I am an analytic sort and hot buttons mean little in the analytical world.

A cult might mean a simple deviation from the main stream of a religion.

But I use the word "cult" as the definition of a group of humans who are psychologically coerced into membership...brainwashed as to certain aspects of reality and "the truth"...and then prevented from leaving by coercion.

This is not the Merriam Webster definition but the behavioral/psychological/psychiatric definition. This is the kind of cult Mormonism is.

You of all people know that...or, at least, you will eventually. It is demonic in nature...not human at all. Humans are its victims.

46 posted on 03/14/2012 4:42:36 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Romney: "I can haz cheezy grits, Y'all?")
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To: Psalm 144

>There are approximately 6.1 Mormons in the USA....<

There are at least that many in foreign countries too. Wat do you think those clean cut young men on bicycles do on their mandatory mission trips? abroad?

If Romney get in, you can bet the one New World Religion will be Mormon. Read “Battle Hymn...the sinister New World Order”....a real eye opener!


47 posted on 03/14/2012 4:42:36 PM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Paperdoll
You are correct! That is Romney's goal. He himself is a victim...but he is also a willing worker and a carrier.

He reports to and MUST obey the cult!

48 posted on 03/14/2012 4:44:18 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Romney: "I can haz cheezy grits, Y'all?")
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To: Eva

Why littler Eva? Are you offended?


49 posted on 03/14/2012 4:45:28 PM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Psalm 144; Hodar

Harry Reid is not a conservative, either, but they always vote overwhelmingly for him.

I used to think Mormons were good political conservatives, too. But it seems that that isn’t necessarily true.


50 posted on 03/14/2012 4:50:36 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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