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Letter to a Fellow Catholic Parishioner Who Should'a Known Better
March 15, 2012 | Mrs. Don-o

Posted on 03/15/2012 11:52:05 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

This is the letter I wrote to a fellow parishioner who said she supports the HHS-mandated payments for contraception-sterilization-abortion pills because she believes...

"...the church should not try to take over the government and pass laws that trample individual freedoms. Government has allways regulated certain "religious" activities and practices in this country. Just ask the Mormons, or the Islamic groups what practices they have that are regulated by government."



Dear [name omitted to protect the stupid],

The Catholic Church is not trying to "take over the government" or "trample individual freedoms." Contraceptives both accessible and cheap. Heck, they’re at the level of total market saturation. You can get the jellies and jams, foams and sprays — woo hoo, you can get a condom at any grocery store, any truck stop, any Bubba's Beer and Bait.

Wal-Mart has the Ortho Tricyclen (oral contraceptive) for $9 amonth. Target has the Trojan 12-pack for $4.00. That’s 33 cents apiece.

They could hardly be more available if they were in every bag of M&M’s in America.

This isn't about freely chosen practices, it's about mandated payments.

Anyone who wants to freely choose a personal contraceptive, or a personal assault rifle, or personal access to pornography: go ahead and choose it. That’s your choice.

I don't believe in any of that crap, and I shouldn't have to pay for it. That’s my choice.

If you have the money to buy something, you have choices. If the government wanted to guarantee women more choices, they could just give every woman, every year, the average cost of a year’s worth of brand-name top-of-the-line hormonal contraceptives. This would give her approx. $390 a year she can spend on anything: Snickers bars, hormonal patches, implants or injectables, stylish maternity fashions, cute baby clothes, a one-way airfare to Hollywood, or anything else.

She gets maximum choices, she is not constrained by costs, and nobody else is forced by the government to be an accomplice and provider whether she chooses 1170 very fine condoms or a good used 10-speed Schwinn.

It’s obvious that mandated payments are not about freedom to choose. They’re about aggressively promoting a divisive and controversial program by making everyone pay --- yes, grandma or Father, or Sister or Reverend or Pastor or Rabbi , or Catholic Charities or Little Sisters of the Poor, YOU pay, ---- and no, you don’t have a choice.

Rubbish. I choose not to pay.

And if somebody wants to force my Church or my Church's ministries to pay --- well, they'll have me to contend with.

Have a wonderful day.

[signed]


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1 posted on 03/15/2012 11:52:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Superlike!


2 posted on 03/15/2012 11:58:15 AM PDT by alphadoggie
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think you said it all....


3 posted on 03/15/2012 11:58:26 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: don-o; NYer; Salvation; marshmallow; Gapplega; Dinah Lord; Brytani; Petronski; SE Mom; sneakers; ...

Sent it to my pastor, too. :o)


4 posted on 03/15/2012 12:06:08 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You’re too kind. After that person’s first statement, I would have been doubled over laughing and might have made that person angry. ;o)


5 posted on 03/15/2012 12:09:08 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Mrs. Don-o

6 posted on 03/15/2012 12:17:41 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks for the ping!


7 posted on 03/15/2012 12:18:58 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Mrs. Don-o

They could hardly be more available if they were in every bag of M&M’s in America.

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Excellent letter. This sentence did make me chuckle because I think chocolate may actually be more expensive than birthcontrol.


8 posted on 03/15/2012 12:19:05 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Whoever wrote that must have the brain of a six year old child..............and they need to give it back..............


9 posted on 03/15/2012 12:26:07 PM PDT by Red Badger (If the Government can make you buy health insurance, they can make you buy a Volt................)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It was so well explained, even that dimwit should get it!

Kudos to you!!


10 posted on 03/15/2012 12:29:19 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: theKid51

ping


11 posted on 03/15/2012 12:51:08 PM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I look at it this way: there are many things that government can demand that a religious entity not do. If your religion prescribes human sacrifice, government can lawfully restrain you from doing it, or punish you after the fact. In this case we have government mandating what a religion must do, or, in other words, dictating the terms of a person's belief system.
12 posted on 03/15/2012 1:02:49 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Exactly.

And what they're demanding we do (not just the Catholic Church and its institutions, but all religious missions which have employees, and in fact, every employer in America) is to provide for mortal sin as a benefit.

13 posted on 03/15/2012 1:11:46 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Sent it to my pastor, too. :o)

I hope he's printing it in the bulletin!

14 posted on 03/15/2012 1:13:30 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Mrs. Don-o

BTTT


15 posted on 03/15/2012 1:27:42 PM PDT by E.G.C. (Edward's Soft Rock Playlist: On Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/my_playlists?p=A7A56731DE671E6A)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Rolling eyes at the folks who can just blithely ask for this. Yes it is partly a Catholic (and other Christian) religious liberty issue, and it’s a plain old taxpayer issue too. Is the notion of US freedom now collapsed into the “freedom to demand and get whatever you jolly well please on somebody else’s dime”?


16 posted on 03/15/2012 1:47:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Great letter unfortunate it took the HHS to overplay it's hand for many Catholics to learn of the church position on contraception. I remember when the pill first came on the market asking parish priest about it and was told it was a matter of personal conscious. I wondered for years why the deafening silence from the pulpits about the horror of abortion until I figured out the unholy alliance of the bishops and the DNC. We have a new crop of clergy now who have decided to align themselves to God and the Holy Father so lets pray it's not to late to win hearts and minds.
17 posted on 03/15/2012 2:01:05 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Obviously that “parishoner” was a politically active liberal democrat, who has little or no idea what the church is all about (once a year on Easter?)


18 posted on 03/15/2012 2:09:39 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Maybe she should read this:

The moral conscience, both individual and social, is today subjected, also as a result of the penetrating influence of the media, to an extremely serious and mortal danger: that of confusion between good and evil, precisely in relation to the fundamental right to life. A large part of contemporary society looks sadly like that humanity which Paul describes in his Letter to the Romans. It is composed "of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth" (1:18): having denied God and believing that they can build the earthly city without him, "they became futile in their thinking" so that "their senseless minds were darkened" (1:21); "claiming to be wise, they became fools" (1:22), carrying out works deserving of death, and "they not only do them but approve those who practise them" (1:32). When conscience, this bright lamp of the soul (cf. Mt 6:22-23), calls "evil good and good evil" (Is 5:20), it is already on the path to the most alarming corruption and the darkest moral blindness. (Evangelium vitae)

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031995_evangelium-vitae_en.html

19 posted on 03/15/2012 2:11:47 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

i’m usin’ that


20 posted on 03/15/2012 2:18:57 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Is the notion of US freedom now collapsed into the “freedom to demand and get whatever you jolly well please on somebody else’s dime”?

Yes.

21 posted on 03/15/2012 2:19:15 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Oh, good Lord. Pat.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Excellent! :)


22 posted on 03/15/2012 2:35:52 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Mrs. Don-o

A+ in Logic, Moral Judgment, First Amendment...and BACKBONE!

;-)


23 posted on 03/15/2012 2:44:29 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

THANK YOU!!!

Someone ping JimRob and tell him we have another perfect example of why we need a “LIKE” button!!!


24 posted on 03/15/2012 3:00:57 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Obama mandating us to pay a separate $1 fee for abortions means that for Catholics whose conscience tells them that abortion is a mortal Obama is literally telling us to go to Hell.

See: barnhardt.biz - Caesar Tyrannus Obama, I Will Not Submit


25 posted on 03/15/2012 3:55:06 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Way to go! Great letter!

Perhaps this person needs to read all the links I’ve been sending out on threads with the history of all this confrontation and near loss of religious freedom.

Or does she even realize that the Constitution is in play here?


26 posted on 03/15/2012 4:13:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Good for you, Mrs. Don-o. It takes time to pen a letter. Meanwhile, it continues to discourage and aggravate me at the utter (and pathetic) ignorance that exists out there. The lady missed the WHOLE point. And not only that, telling an organization what they CAN’T do (No, Rastafarians, even though marijuana is part of your religion, you WILL be arrested if you possess that substance)is completely different from telling them what they MUST do (Dear Catholics, yes, even though you hold life sacred, you must pay for the people who want to kill innocent life).


27 posted on 03/15/2012 4:14:43 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Red Badger

LOL!


28 posted on 03/15/2012 5:07:40 PM PDT by diamond6 (Check out: http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php and learn about the faith.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Godspeed, sister.


29 posted on 03/15/2012 6:10:36 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (knowledge puffeth; information deludeth.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Great letter!


30 posted on 03/15/2012 6:11:17 PM PDT by Adder (Da bro has GOT to go!)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
Ann Barnhardt Rocks!

I am sending her statement to my bishop! (In fact, I'm planning to put together a mailing to about 110+ bishops.)

31 posted on 03/15/2012 6:22:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; WmShirerAdmirer; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; ...
+

Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.


32 posted on 03/15/2012 6:26:49 PM PDT by narses
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well said. I went through it a couple of times, and can’t think of anything to add or change.


33 posted on 03/15/2012 6:48:22 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Very, very dark forces at work here, I fear.


34 posted on 03/15/2012 7:09:03 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Double plus good.


35 posted on 03/15/2012 7:22:30 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

WoW, great letter!


36 posted on 03/15/2012 7:30:59 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yeah but, personal assault weapons are cool.


37 posted on 03/15/2012 7:40:33 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: BlatherNaut

The Ten Commandments and The Didache as well as these:

“This is what the Lord says- He who made you, who formed you in the
womb, and who will help you” —Isaiah 44:2

“For You created my innermost being; You knit me together in my
mother’s womb. I praise You because I am fearfully and wonderfully
made.” —Psalm 139:13-14

“Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived
me.” —Psalm 51:5

“Sons are a heritage from the Lord, children a reward from Him.” —Psalm
127:3

“Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless...Rescue the weak and
needy.” —Psalm 82:3-4

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.” —Jeremiah 1:5 (NIV)

“I have come that they may have life, and have it to the fullest.” —Jesus
Christ (John 10:10)

“Rescue those being led away to death.” —Proverbs 24:11 (NIV)

Talking about John the Baptist, “and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit
even from his mother’s womb.” —Luke 1:15(NIV) There is no record of the
Holy Spirit ever filling anything but a person.

“Before I was born the Lord called me...” “And now the Lord says-He
who formed me in the womb to be His servant...” —Isaiah 49:1,5

The apostle Paul says “But when God, who set me apart from my
mother’s womb and called me by His grace...” —Galatians 1:15(NIV)

“If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from
her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall surely be punished, according as
the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges
determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life...” -
-Exodus 21:22-25, King James Version.

“Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same
One form us both within our mothers?” —Job 31:15 (NIV)

“Cursed is he who accepts a bribe to strike down an innocent person.” —
Deu 27:25 (NAS)

“..do not shed innocent blood...” —Jeremiah 7:6 (NIV)


38 posted on 03/15/2012 8:13:00 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray. God's will be done. Abortion leaves two victims, the mother and the child.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Your letter was a delight to read,intelligent,clear and concise. Thank you.

Is there any chance you could include the list you are compiling of our Big B and little b bishops and their addresses in a post or article to all of us?

If you have a list of people that you automatically send items of interest to Catholics,I'd like to be included.Ny'er,Salvation and Pyro do a great job notifying all of us on what's "happenen now" and your contributions are pretty critical and not quite the same as theirs.

I've just completed Andrew Breightbart's book "Righteous Indignation" and he talks about the great need to expose the main stream media and their lying ways.He states they must be smothered by truth and it apparently is up to us,the laymen journalists to accomplish the job they should be doing. Hard-hitting,factual little book.

You are just the kind of "lay journalist" that's going to help turn the table upright again,God willing.BTWbefore you got your own name and you wrote on don-o's posts I thought you were probably a great,fun and smart couple,say "hi" to him for me!!!

39 posted on 03/15/2012 8:25:47 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: Mrs. Don-o; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; narses
While complimenting Mrs.Don-o on her most excellent letter I thought about each of you and the great job you do keeping so many of us up on what's happening in the Church and the world. I forgot to ping anyone and even forgot to mention one of you but in any case I do want you to know how much I appreciate all of the work that you do for us,and,not only does it take a lot of time just getting it done,you all do so much fine thinking both in what you post and the way you respond. Thanks.
40 posted on 03/15/2012 8:41:34 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: TheBattman; Jim Robinson

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2859526/posts?page=24#24


41 posted on 03/15/2012 9:08:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: saradippity

what kind words you have. Some of us go wwwwwaaaaayyyyyyy back, don’t we?


42 posted on 03/15/2012 9:17:04 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

God in His mercy should have made stupid painful.

Religious beliefs are not defenses against committing crimes. Which is why a Bruja can not offer up a child sacrifice or why a Fundamentalist Mormon can not have 7 wives or why a Muslim can not stone his wife who cheats on him.

But to put objections to the HHS contraceptive mandate in the above category one would have to fist assume that it is against the law to have an objection to the use of contraceptive or in the extreme example against the law to not take contraceptives. As far as I know, that state of affairs has not yet reached these shores.

It is perfectly legal to object to the use of contraceptives and to believe if you cooperate in their use you are doing something wrong and against your faith.

Which makes the objection to the HHS mandate a matter of religious liberty and not a criminal act.


43 posted on 03/15/2012 10:01:55 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
What MUST happen is we stop talking about birth control and start talking about the first amendment. Within 30 seconds after the libtard tells you how you hate women, you should make it known that Kosher foods will be banned next or a Muslim will be force fed the "other white meat" if this happens.

This isn't about Catholics! They want to make it so. People seem to attack Catholics with glee and get a 60% approval, even from Catholics. It's about religious liberty and must remain so. As I keep saying over and over, if you don't want to be Catholic, change to something else, but to call yourself Catholic and be for homosexual marriage, birth control, abortions, and about 80% of the Dem platform, then just give up and get out. You aren't a Catholic.

It's the libtards we have in the clergy that want the food stamps and welfare that confuse the laity and vote Dem, but want to twist and squirm their way around the rest of the libtard agenda, like no prayer, god hater, baby killers. That's a big price for a food stamp that the Church should be providing the poor. All over the world, socialists in the Church are forming revolutions to overthrow governments so they can "be nice " to the poor. The CHURCH is supposed to be nice to the poor, not the government.

If you want food stamps from government, you must accept dead children, sodomy, prayer bans, God haters, and other abominations. There's your choice. The Church should draw a line and explain to those that cross it what the consequences are.

44 posted on 03/16/2012 1:14:41 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Mrs. Don-o

What’s to discuss? The letter says it all! Bravo!


45 posted on 03/16/2012 5:01:30 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: chuckles

I completely agree.


46 posted on 03/16/2012 5:46:52 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The first duty of intelligent men of our day is the restatement of the obvious." George Orwell)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Kudos! Where there is one, there are probably many more. Thank you for sharing the text and inspiring other Catholics to follow your example.


47 posted on 03/16/2012 6:14:10 AM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well done!


48 posted on 03/16/2012 10:09:03 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Excellently well put! Wish we’d had your wordsmithing around when the gays were taking over the Methodist church.


49 posted on 03/16/2012 3:57:12 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The facts of life are Tory." -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: chuckles

Well said!


50 posted on 03/16/2012 4:12:20 PM PDT by mrsmel
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