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Mitt Romney's Mormon Secrets [Temple oaths, secrets, secret tokens/passwords to heaven revealed]
Voices.Yahoo.com ^ | March 13, 2012 | Richard Packham

Posted on 03/16/2012 5:09:23 AM PDT by Colofornian

In all the extensive media coverage of Mitt Romney... not a word have I seen about the secrets of Mormonism, the secrets of Romney's life-long beliefs and practices...

SNIP

And why does Romney (and his church) want to keep people from knowing those secrets? Most Mormons will claim that they are not "secret," but merely..."sacred"...Mormons hold any number of other aspects...to be "sacred," and yet they don't hesitate to discuss them (for example: baptism, conferring the gift of the Holy Ghost, ordination to the priesthood, etc.)...

...I am going reveal those secrets...

SNIP

Part of the endowment ritual instructs the Mormons in the four "signs" and "tokens" of the Mormon priesthood. Each also has a "name" (or password)...The purpose of the signs and tokens, according to Mormon Prophet Brigham Young, is that they will be needed to pass the angels guarding the gates of heaven. The tokens are various handshakes, copied largely from the Masonic initiation rites of the 1830s, when church founder Joseph Smith was initiated into Freemasonry...

SNIP

So Mitt Romney, and all other righteous Mormons, can be confident that they know the secret passwords and secret handshakes to get into heaven. Do you see why Romney and his church are reluctant for "unworthy" people (the rest of us, including Mrs. Romney's parents) to know about this?...

The actions that were going to guarantee my entrance at the gates...would have nothing to do with love or charity or the other teachings of Christ...I hadn't heard a single one of those words spoken today, the most primary day of religious instruction in my entire life. No, I was going to burst into heaven on the basis of mumbo-jumbo...Did all the white-suited glorifiers in the room unquestioningly accept a ritual of nutty gestures from the pseudo-occult as a sacrament?...

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TOPICS: Current Events; Other non-Christian; Religion & Politics; Theology
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To: SkyDancer

We may have a duck on our hands...


101 posted on 03/16/2012 12:34:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Redleg Duke
I am aLutheran, trying to be a Christian!

Then our prayers are with you; for it seems that Lutherans have their own internal battles going on.

102 posted on 03/16/2012 12:37:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

GMTA


103 posted on 03/16/2012 12:38:01 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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To: CatherineofAragon
I don't think anything I say is going to be taken seriously by you.

As well as viceversa.

104 posted on 03/16/2012 12:39:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Redleg Duke

You may have to elaborate just a bit to get your point across.

http://www.wels.net/what-we-believe


105 posted on 03/16/2012 12:43:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Not just the polygamists. Prescription drug abuse is rampant in Utah and Utah has the highest per capita people on anti-depressants.

There really is a huge pressure to perform - to have the ‘perfect’ house, the ‘perfect’ marriage, the ‘perfect’ kids, the ‘perfect’ church callings, the ‘perfect’ LDS testimony. It is unreal and very few women feel they can take off their masks and share their problems, because they have to show all their friends (who are usually LDS and in the same congregation) how perfectly they are living Mormonism and how happy they are.

Mormonism teaches that moral perfection is possible in this life (since Jesus proved it because He did it) and ‘living the (LDS) gospel’ will bring happiness, the perfect life and even financial wealth (which is where real stressor is for men).

Plain and simple, it is a demonic cult!


106 posted on 03/16/2012 12:49:47 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

A muslim? Never

An Atheist? Depends on the atheist.

Chances are you voted for an atheist without knowing


107 posted on 03/16/2012 1:24:43 PM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: Vaquero

Chances are you voted for an atheist without knowing

= = = =
Perhaps, but not one who was open about it. That I would never do. Worldview matters.

And Mormonism is a HELL of a lot closer to Islam than Christianity and sides in with Islam over Christianity quite often. I can document that.


108 posted on 03/16/2012 1:35:41 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Redleg Duke
WELS frowns upon all things non-WELS. I am sure you would fit right in with them.

I checked the site again. NOT WELS. (Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod)

Are you always this inaccurate in your claims?

109 posted on 03/16/2012 1:59:00 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: reaganaut

There are Jewish atheists...lots of em...they fill zer0’s re-election team. They still claim to be Jewish none the less.

I know there are Christian atheists. I personally know some. They consider themselves Christian culturally but that is where it ends


110 posted on 03/16/2012 2:12:38 PM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: Vendome

Romney’s grandfather expatriating to Mexico to avoid the Feds and continue his polygamous marriages. SECRET.
____________________________________________

That was great granddad and his many wives..

He was just carrying on the family tradition of 12 wives that his own father had lived back in Utah....

Granddad was just a boy when he fled with his father, mother, the sister wives and his siblings and half siblings to Mexico so that Dad (the great granddad) wouldnt be arrested and put in a US prison for breaking the morality laws..

Bigamy was a crime in the 19th century...

amd God calls it adultery...

Granddad grew up in Mexico with his siblings and half siblings and more besides born in Mexico..

Willard has a lot of cousins who still live there...

Granddad got married in Mexico and had some children, one of them George, the father of Willard Mitt Romney..all o9f them born in Mexico...

The romney never intended to ever return to the US with its decency laws...

However in 1912 there was a revolution in Mexico so the wet back Romneys came into the US illegally..

Suddenly the United States wasnt so bad after asll..


111 posted on 03/16/2012 3:10:21 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: reaganaut; Vaquero
And Mormonism is a HELL of a lot closer to Islam than Christianity and sides in with Islam over Christianity quite often. I can document that. [reaganaut to Vaquero]

Plus, Vaquero, in one of your now-deleted posts, you indicated we rec'd your permission to focus on both Islam and Scientology.

As Reaganaut said, Mormonism is pretty close to Islam in a lot of ways...and, btw, so is Scientology.

For the Scientology link, see:

Similarities between Mormonism and Scientology

* Origins
o Based on entirely unevidenced stories
o Doctrines created and evolved over time, sometimes changing

* Founders
o Known for their extreme desire for wealth
o Known for telling stories and lies
o Convicted and imprisoned for illegal activities
o Died during their trouble with the law

* Legal troubles
o Involved in many illegal activities, in many cases as part of official organization doctrine and practices
o Support destruction of outsiders, especially apostates (blood atonement, shunning, "fair game")
o Legal troubles led to changes in doctrine (at least on the surface, note polygamy and "fair game")

* Teachings
o Pre- and post-mortal existence
o Eternal progression (godhood, clear thetan)
o Only way to know truth is to experience it yourself
o Christianity, Bible only partly true
o Focus on thriving and happiness in present life rather than the afterlife or eternal life
o "Salvation" by works
o Give "milk" instead of "meat"
o Official endorsement of lying about or avoiding discussion of controversial doctrines, especially origin of man and key figures (Heavenly Father, Xenu, spirit children, thetans, etc)
o Levels can be achieved (Operating Thetan levels, temple Mormons, eternal progression, different kingdoms)
o Resistance is dismissed as proof/evidence of validity

* Behavior
o Persecution complex
o Label and treat opposition as evil enemies ("Antis", "Suppressive Persons")

Other Similarities:

1. Pre-existence of humanity:
LDS: All humans pre-existed in the spirit world before being born on earth.
Scientology: People were thetans in past lives + belief in reincarnation.

2. Unlimited potential for humans:
LDS: Heavenly Father (God) is an exalted man and LDS men may become gods with omnipotence and omniscience.
Scientology: People may become thetans again, regaining their freedom from matter, energy, space, and time (MEST).

3. “Salvation” only through their Church:
LDS: Exaltation and godhood only through the LDS Church.
Scientology: Recovering one’s thetanhood only possible through Church of Scientology.

This thread drew over 400 replies:
Similarities between Mormonism and Scientology

L. Ron Hubbard could have easily substituted Kolob for Venus in his religion.

According to Scientology, when a person dies — or, in Scientology terms, when a thetan abandons its physical body — they go to a "landing station" on the planet Venus, where the thetan is re-implanted and told lies about its past life and its next life. The Venusians take the thetan, "capsule" it, and send it back to Earth to be dumped into the ocean off the coast of California. Source: Thetan (Wikipedia)

Seems to me that, per the Mormon myth narrative, when when an earthling is becoming "encapsuled" they leave from a "launching station" on the planet Kolob, where the Mormon spirit is implanted inside a human body, and once born with a Mormon family, the Mormon is told lies about its past life and its next life. The Mormon gods take the Mormon, "capsule" it in that body, and send it to Earth to be dumped at age 8 into the Mormon baptismal founts off of many international coasts. LDS (Mormonism) and Scientology: A Brief Theological Comparison Under one of the differences, I actually see more of a connection...#6 mentions Mormonism's "exaltation to godhood"...Scientologists a "return to Thetanhood" as its "final goal."

If there is a resemblance between the two founders, presumably it is because Hubbard looked at Joseph Smith and the LDS and decided it would provide him with a very useful model for a successful religion. He gave it an SF twist, because that was what he was good at, and it probably amused him.

112 posted on 03/16/2012 3:11:55 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: CatherineofAragon; reaganaut

they say polygamy is so beneficial for the soul because it challenges you to be your best person, to rise above your jealousy
_______________________________________

A sharp knife works even better...


113 posted on 03/16/2012 3:12:43 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: freedomlover

Those 2 guys are getting kinky...


114 posted on 03/16/2012 3:16:58 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Vaquero

I know there are Christian atheists. I personally know some. They consider themselves Christian culturally but that is where it ends

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There is no such thing. They may think there is, but there isn’t.

Someone who claims to be a Christian (cultural or otherwise) yet doesn’t believe in Christ as Lord and Savior isn’t a Christian.

If they think otherwise, then they are idiots.


115 posted on 03/16/2012 3:28:16 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Vaquero

And you dodged the part about the LDS and islam...


116 posted on 03/16/2012 3:29:18 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian

Someone deleted one of my posts.

That’s it. I’m Outta here.


117 posted on 03/16/2012 3:29:33 PM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: reaganaut

Yes...I drive a dodge

And I am sick of all this holier than though crud

Believe what you want and hate those who dont. I dont care


118 posted on 03/16/2012 3:36:24 PM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: Tennessee Nana

LOL

Something like that.

BTW, why should I be bothered to be factually right? Romney ain’t right and Paul ain’t right in the head.

And here is the obligatory /S

Hope you are having a great day. I feel real good today...for some reason.


119 posted on 03/16/2012 3:51:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Colofornian
For the Scientology link, see:




120 posted on 03/16/2012 4:50:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Redleg Duke

I am confused. Why would you try and be a Christian, you either are or you are not a Christian.
mormonism is not Christianity
Romney is who he is because of his mormonsim not in spite of it.
Smith tried to blend all sorts of stuff into his bastardized version of Christianity at the same time condemning all Christians and Catholics as an abomination and whores of Babylon.


121 posted on 03/16/2012 5:04:26 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Vaquero; All
Someone deleted one of my posts. That’s it. I’m Outta here.

(FREEPERS, you'll have to put this one in your memory bank...If ya want Vaquero to vamoose in a future thread...tell him/her one of his/her posts was deleted [it really was in this thread]...and he/she will "self-delete" from the rest of that thread!)

122 posted on 03/16/2012 5:06:02 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Vaquero

It is not possible to be a Christian atheist.


123 posted on 03/16/2012 5:06:40 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Vaquero; reaganaut
And I am sick of all this holier than though crud...

(Vaquero said...trying to "rise above" the "crud" riding his self-made sanctimonious, holier-than-thou magic carpet)

124 posted on 03/16/2012 5:07:43 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Actually, you’ve not said anything. WHAT is Romney going to do, Mormonwise, that you fear? I don’t fear him ...he belongs to some obscure Christian sect like a JW or a Quaker. What did Nixon do? Taft?


125 posted on 03/16/2012 5:15:33 PM PDT by magritte (Gladys Knight: Mormon Siren?)
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To: Tennessee Nana
"they say polygamy is so beneficial for the soul because it challenges you to be your best person, to rise above your jealousy

_______________________________________ A sharp knife works even better..."

LOL!

126 posted on 03/16/2012 5:24:51 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: Vaquero

And I am sick of all this holier than though crud

Believe what you want and hate those who dont. I dont care

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You don’t get it do you? We don’t hate them, we love them enough to speak the truth about Mormonism. This isn’t about being ‘holier than thou’, quite the opposite it is about sharing Christ.

You need to do your research before you mouth off.


127 posted on 03/16/2012 5:26:18 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian

I read the “Early Mormonism...” book years ago. Every page was a revelation.


128 posted on 03/16/2012 5:59:56 PM PDT by redhead (Alaska: Step out of the bus and into the food chain.)
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To: Vaquero
And I am sick of all this holier than though crud

Yup.

#73 WAS sure full of it!

129 posted on 03/16/2012 6:58:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Tennessee Nana
"Granddad grew up in Mexico with his siblings and half siblings and more besides born in Mexico.. Willard has a lot of cousins who still live there..."

My grandfather was born in Juarez. I used to have old uncles who came to the house to see my dad, and they were all from Mexico.

130 posted on 03/16/2012 8:00:44 PM PDT by redhead (Alaska: Step out of the bus and into the food chain.)
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To: svcw
It is not possible to be a Christian atheist.

True...except in ones own mind

131 posted on 03/16/2012 11:04:19 PM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: Colofornian
(Vaquero said...trying to “rise above” the “crud” riding his self-made sanctimonious, holier-than-thou magic carpet)

The sanctimony’s strong in this one!

132 posted on 03/16/2012 11:12:39 PM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: Elsie
Yup..... #73 WAS sure full of it!

Nice, short, concise... Not filled with the usual verbosity...I give this 1 an A-.

133 posted on 03/16/2012 11:24:40 PM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: Vaquero

You’ve very well described the mechanics of it.

Now; how about the CONTENT?


134 posted on 03/17/2012 4:52:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

I was refering to #129....as the improvement post


135 posted on 03/17/2012 5:04:35 AM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: Vaquero

WHY are you SKIPPING #73?


136 posted on 03/17/2012 6:07:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

we have a violent religious enemy...it is know as Islam (and do not forget the religion of Marxism).

I am not going to be blind sided worrying about a religion that is not blowing up my people...

if the enemy of my enemy is my friend...then currently the LDS is my ‘friend’.


137 posted on 03/17/2012 7:06:56 AM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: Tennessee Nana
they say polygamy is so beneficial for the soul because it challenges you to be your best person, to rise above your jealousy

A sharp knife works even better...

So they say.


138 posted on 03/17/2012 7:58:33 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Vaquero
Ok; I get it. You're n ot going to commit yourself one way or the other.


I am not going to be blind sided worrying about a religion that is not blowing up my people...

I do not feel threatened by it because I don’t think that they will be attempting to convert by the sword.
 

The gruesome be headings of some 40 Ute corpses in 1850, heads stacked in boxes,
and hung by their long hair from the eves of buildings at Fort Utah,
 has long been ignored, “You didn’t see the Indians beheading the Mormons.”
 
-- Historian Robert Carter

139 posted on 03/17/2012 12:30:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MarkBsnr
A sharp knife works even better...


Take THAT; Stubby!

140 posted on 03/17/2012 12:32:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

162 years ago there were lots of killings, scalp taking, and horrific mutilation by all sides during the Indian wars. After the battle of the Little Bighorn, squaws emasculated members of the 7th cavalry, along with removing heads hands & feet.

And that was ONLY 132 years ago.

Other examples are legion! As an old west buff, I see your example as common throughout the wild territories into the 1890s at wounded knee


141 posted on 03/17/2012 2:59:20 PM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: svcw
I'll try to explain.

Lutheranism, like all other Christian Churches is a creation of man...yes, including the RCC!

Christianity is a state of the heart!

I know a lot of members of Christian religions who are not Christian...like my ex-Mother-In-Law, a staunch Catholic from Mexico, who drove her daughter over the edge to where she started to abuse our son, resulting in her arrest and the eventual divorce. A really devout Roman Catholic, but not very Christian.

I hope that explains it. I hope you are a Christian and not just a devout member of a man-adaptation and interpretation of Christ's teachings.

142 posted on 03/17/2012 3:43:35 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Colofornian
I guess I am about as inaccurate in my claims as you are hypocritical in your sense of moral superiority.

Yep, pretty bad!

143 posted on 03/17/2012 3:45:24 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Redleg Duke
Christianity is a state of the heart!

CAn one be a 'christian' while a devout MORMON?

144 posted on 03/17/2012 7:18:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Vaquero

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

Yup; a lot of bad stuff going on!


145 posted on 03/17/2012 7:32:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Not as I understand the Mormon "faith".

My understanding and belief in Jesus Christ was not theirs. He did not have wives or children.Now, if you are done with your sanctimonious cross-examinations, why don't you ride your high horse off in search of another lesser Christian than you to feed your over-inflated ego!

I have had enough of you and your kind. I attend a church where Christians are not perfect...only forgiven. My kind sits in the back of the church with the Publican. You obviously sit in the front, to show everyone else how pure and good you are.

146 posted on 03/18/2012 4:44:47 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Redleg Duke
You obviously sit in the front, to show everyone else how pure and good you are.

I, of course, do NOT see where you coming from with this.

I have had enough of you and your kind.

Just WHAT have I posted here that causes 'me and my kind' to be lumped into some unnamed category?

I (and my kind) are showing the FACTS of MORMONism - that FACT that it is a HERESY.

As A Luthern you SURELY knows what your chosen denominations TEACHS about MORMONism; don't you?

147 posted on 03/19/2012 4:19:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Redleg Duke
Now, if you are done with your sanctimonious cross-examinations, why don't you ride your high horse off in search of another lesser Christian than you to feed your over-inflated ego!

Sorry if I came across this way; but your early posts in this thread didn't contain enough information to see which Organization you were defending; and it appeared that you were YANFRM (Yet Another New Free Republic MORMON).

Since MANY of them tend to post with a sense of victimhood, more 'questions' were sent your way to determine exactly where you stand.


Perhaps today we can get along a bit better.

I'll try...

148 posted on 03/19/2012 4:24:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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