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Mitt Romney's Mormon Secrets [Temple oaths, secrets, secret tokens/passwords to heaven revealed]
Voices.Yahoo.com ^ | March 13, 2012 | Richard Packham

Posted on 03/16/2012 5:09:23 AM PDT by Colofornian

In all the extensive media coverage of Mitt Romney... not a word have I seen about the secrets of Mormonism, the secrets of Romney's life-long beliefs and practices...

SNIP

And why does Romney (and his church) want to keep people from knowing those secrets? Most Mormons will claim that they are not "secret," but merely..."sacred"...Mormons hold any number of other aspects...to be "sacred," and yet they don't hesitate to discuss them (for example: baptism, conferring the gift of the Holy Ghost, ordination to the priesthood, etc.)...

...I am going reveal those secrets...

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Part of the endowment ritual instructs the Mormons in the four "signs" and "tokens" of the Mormon priesthood. Each also has a "name" (or password)...The purpose of the signs and tokens, according to Mormon Prophet Brigham Young, is that they will be needed to pass the angels guarding the gates of heaven. The tokens are various handshakes, copied largely from the Masonic initiation rites of the 1830s, when church founder Joseph Smith was initiated into Freemasonry...

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So Mitt Romney, and all other righteous Mormons, can be confident that they know the secret passwords and secret handshakes to get into heaven. Do you see why Romney and his church are reluctant for "unworthy" people (the rest of us, including Mrs. Romney's parents) to know about this?...

The actions that were going to guarantee my entrance at the gates...would have nothing to do with love or charity or the other teachings of Christ...I hadn't heard a single one of those words spoken today, the most primary day of religious instruction in my entire life. No, I was going to burst into heaven on the basis of mumbo-jumbo...Did all the white-suited glorifiers in the room unquestioningly accept a ritual of nutty gestures from the pseudo-occult as a sacrament?...

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From the article: In all the extensive media coverage of Mitt Romney...not a word have I seen about the secrets of Mormonism, the secrets of Romney's life-long beliefs and practices...And why does Romney (and his church) want to keep people from knowing those secrets? Most Mormons will claim that they are not "secret," but merely..."sacred" ...Mormons hold any number of other aspects...to be "sacred," and yet they don't hesitate to discuss them (for example: baptism, conferring the gift of the Holy Ghost, ordination to the priesthood, etc.)...I am going reveal those secrets...

Well, one of the criteria of a "cult" is this one:

EVERY COERCIVE religious group harbors one telltale trait: UNTOWARD SECRECY.

Well what is secreted away by Mormon leaders & many grassroots Mormons?

(1) Click on the link and read the full Yahoo article by ex-Mormon Richard Packham;
(2) For more on bizarre temple oaths as depicted by Packham, see: Why the need for secret death oaths in the LDS Temple Endowment Ceremony? [Secretive Mormon church]
(3) Also, see Web headlines like: Mormonism's Real Secret Doctrine

Of course, when you have these kind of bizarre beliefs, mum's the word.

I've said before on FREEPER posts that when it comes to Mormonism...
Secret, secret, secret
Fulness of the gospel NOT in the Book of Mormon. Secret to prospects - they'd look in vain for the primary Mormon teachings to be taught there.
Original "old plates" Joseph supposedly found. Secreted away.
The founder, Joseph not telling wife Emma about women he had affairs with (Fanny & others) 1831 & beyond. Secret.
Mormons not putting the polygamy doctrine in writing until the 1850s. Secret.
Bloody victims' clothes & orphans from Mountain Meadows Massacre, 1857. Secret for two years.
Mountain Meadows Massacre culprits. Conspired amongst each other to never tell. Secret.
Mormonism openly false 19th century teachings like Adam-is-god and blood atonement. Unacknowledged as former teachings. They wish these were a secret.
Mormon polygamists hiding out from the feds in 1880s. Secret hideaways.
Lds Plural marriages 1890-1910. Secret.

Still today:
Lds temple ceremonies. Secret.
Lds weddings in temples. Secret.
Secret underwear power. Very secret.
Mormons believe thousands of deceased Mormons practicing polygamy in another realm. "Open" Secret.
History not "faith promoting" to Lds church and former leaders. Tendency to tuck away. Secreted away.
fLDS families -- the "living daguerreotype" of what 19th century Mainstream Mormon families were often like -- tucked away in out-of-the-way communities. Treated like the crazy aunt to lock away in the basement closet.

No wonder a BYU history prof wrote a book, Early Mormonism and the Magic World View. "Magic" is a sub-category of the occult. And what does the word "occult" mean? (Yup, Latin for "hidden" -- as in secret).

[Note how BYU even conceded the occultic worldview Mormon foundational premise of Quinn's book here: BYU Review of Early Mormonism and the Magic World View]

1 posted on 03/16/2012 5:09:37 AM PDT by Colofornian
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From the excerpted article: Part of the endowment ritual instructs the Mormons in the four "signs" and "tokens" of the Mormon priesthood. Each also has a "name" (or password)...The purpose of the signs and tokens, according to Mormon Prophet Brigham Young, is that they will be needed to pass the angels guarding the gates of heaven. The tokens are various handshakes, copied largely from the Masonic initiation rites of the 1830s, when church founder Joseph Smith was initiated into Freemasonry...

Sorry...but imported Freemasonry and 'mumbo-jumbo' isn't "Christianity." More on this:

From the article: So Mitt Romney, and all other righteous Mormons, can be confident that they know the secret passwords and secret handshakes to get into heaven. Do you see why Romney and his church are reluctant for "unworthy" people (the rest of us, including Mrs. Romney's parents) to know about this?...The actions that were going to guarantee my entrance at the gates...would have nothing to do with love or charity or the other teachings of Christ...I hadn't heard a single one of those words spoken today, the most primary day of religious instruction in my entire life. No, I was going to burst into heaven on the basis of mumbo-jumbo...Did all the white-suited glorifiers in the room unquestioningly accept a ritual of nutty gestures from the pseudo-occult as a sacrament?...

This leads to my next post:

ANOTHER CRITERIA OF A CULT

Its doctrine need not be conventional—but it SHOULD BE KNOWABLE TO OUTSIDERS. Absent those qualities, an unorthodox religion can descend into something darker.


2 posted on 03/16/2012 5:13:25 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: All; delacoert
ANOTHER CRITERIA OF A CULT

Its doctrine need not be conventional—but it SHOULD BE KNOWABLE TO OUTSIDERS. Absent those qualities, an unorthodox religion can descend into something darker.

Well, did you know Mormonism claims...
...Never-married people can never live with Heavenly Father forever?
...That all people are as eternal as their god is -- that all started as an "intelligence" somewhere -- with no beginning? (see D&C 93:29,33)
...But then they ALSO teach each of us had a sort of spirit-babe beginning born to a goddess mom (or goddess harem) on Kolob?
...Brigham Young taught there are many earths and each earth has its redeemer (Jesus Christ cloned?)?
...All the worship in the universe doesn't go to a single God? (It's split up according to however many gods there are)
...The way you can discern a false spirit is by shaking their hand? (D&C 129)
...That the dead have regularly visited Mormons in Mormon temples?
...And that Mormons emphasize the dead visiting Mormons in Sunday School lessons, BYU genealogy courses, and even packet handouts-for-members prior to temple openings?
...It doesn't matter what kind of life you led on earth -- ALL of us, per Mormonism, are going to same "Spirit World" (initially) upon death?
...That a Mormon widow in good standing with the church, if she had more than one husband, can be sealed eternally to each and every husband she had on earth? (Thereby, if Mormons are right, becoming a polyanderer post-death...imagine all those men sleeping with the same woman!!!)
...That Joseph Smith's "prophet"-nephew taught that the way they received new wives in a late 19th-century polygamous marriage was for both man AND wife to go into the temple to receive another wife -- and that the "worthiness" of the already-existing wife was of import as well as the man!
...That the Mormon jesus will re-institute polygamy when he returns, per a Mormon "apostle"?

And if Mormonism wanted to make itself "knowable to outsiders," why are MANY key doctrines NOT to be found in the book they FIRST distribute to "contacts" they're trying to proselytize?

The Book of Mormon has ZILCHO content/teachings about all the "later" developments of Joseph Smith...such as...
* God is a lower-level god who god assigned the "god job" for the Kolob-Earth district
* He was a man who earned his way to godhood; therefore, you can, too
* Temples are for baptizing dead people -- which Mormons hear from time-to-time in those temples (necro-immersing & necromancy)
* Any kind of "pre-existence"
* 3 degrees of glory
* Hell isn't eternal -- damnation just means "damned up"
* Marriage & families are for eternity [imagine the Book of Mormon missing out on that one]
* Sealings & endowments & temple recommends & temple ritual language
* A mom-god or 2 or 3 or a harem of them

Anyway, no wonder there's "misunderstandings" of what Mormonism is! Here they do a bait-and-switch, asking people to pray about stuff that doesn't even record many of their primary teachings!!! It's downright deceptive.

Delacoert posted this: 21 facts everyone should know about Mormon teaching [Mormonism/Anti-Christian]

Let's review a sampling from that list...and as you read them, ask yourself: Are these readily "knowable to outsiders"? Or are they covered up close to the Mormon HQ's chest -- like the cult this author hints it to be!
2. Mormon goddesses will spend eternity in full submission to their god-husband.
3. Mormon's teach that women will give birth “forever and ever” to spirit-babies.
4. Mormon's teach men can have multiple wives in heaven—eternal polygamy. They intend to have many wives in heaven, carrying on multiple sex relations throughout eternity, until they have enough children to populate their own earth, so they can be "Heavenly Father" over their own planet!
6. American Indians are descendants of the wicked Lamanites, who were Israelites that God cursed with dark skin.
9. Mormons teach that they need 4 secret handshakes to get into the Celestial heaven.
10. Joseph Smith revealed that the actual Garden of Eden is in Jackson County, Missouri.
21. Mormons also teach that there is no salvation without Joseph Smith. They teach that Joseph Smith holds the keys to the Kingdom of God. They teach that Jesus' death on the cross only partially saves the believer. They also teach that people will stand before God, Jesus and Joseph Smith on Judgement Day.

3 posted on 03/16/2012 5:14:44 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: All
Due to having to excerpt this article, I couldn't address the last eight paragraphs...where Packham asks some real relevant stewardship questions of Mitt Romney.

Let's just say I've tried to already address these in a chart I've posted numerous times...

Lds Leader Chronological 'Prophet' or Fundamental # (or Other Title) Overlap Areas: Could the President of the U.S. become a 'puppet' to an Lds 'Prophet?' (The Lds Prophets -- in their own words)
John Taylor Lds 'Prophet' #3 “The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto…[so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours…and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862)
Orson Hyde President of the Lds Quorum of the 12 Apostles for 28 years (1847-1875) “What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53)
Heber J. Grant Lds 'Prophet' #7 "Elder Marion G. Romney recalled the counsel of President Heber J. Grant: 'My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.' Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, 'But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray'" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78)." Cited in Official Lds publication Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, p. 209 (1984)
Harold B. Lee Lds 'Prophet' #11 ...President Harold B. Lee said: 'We must learn to give heed to the words and commandments that the Lord shall give through his prophet, '...as if from mine own mouth...(D&C 21:4-5)...You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord himself..." Cited in official Lds publication Remember Me: Relief Society Personal Study Guide I, p. 27 (1989)
Spencer Kimball Lds 'Prophet' #12 "President Spencer W. Kimball said: '...We deal with many things which are thought to be not so spiritual; but all things are spiritual with the Lord, and he expects us to listen, and to obey..." (In Conference Report, Apr. 1977, p. 8; or Ensign, May 1977, p. 7) Cited in official Lds publication Come, Follow Me: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide 1983, p.12 (1983)
What about Marion G. Romney, cousin to Mitt's father? Who was he in Lds hierarchy? (Title: 'President' - Top 3 of church as 2nd counselor to both #11 & #12 Lds 'prophets') "Elder Neal A. Maxwell has said: 'Following the living prophets is something that must be done in all seasons and circumstances. We must be like President Marion G. Romney, who humbly said, '..I have never hesitated to follow the counsel of the Authorities of the Church even though it crossed my social, professional, and political life' (Conference Report, April 1941, p. 123). There are, or will be moments when prophetic declarations collide with our pride or our seeming personal interests...Do I believe in the living prophet even when he speaks on matters affecting me and my specialty directly? Or do I stop sustaining the prophet when his words fall in my territory? if the latter, the prophet is without honor in our country! (Things As They Really Are, p. 73). Cited in official Lds publication, Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, pp. 275-276 (1984)
Ezra Taft Benson Lds 'Prophet' #13 Benson speech given 2/26/80 @BYU. Summary: “…remember, if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet…” (See excerpts re: 3 of 14 'fundamentals' below) Source: Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #5 5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. (My Q: Ya hear that Mitt Romney?)
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #9 9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual. (My Q: Still listening, Mitt?)
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #10 10. The prophet may advise on civic matters. (My Q: What say ye Mitt?)
B.H. Roberts LDS Historian and Seventy. Note: Roberts was an elected Democratic Congressman from Utah in 1898 -- but was NEVER seated by Congress because of grass roots uproar vs. Roberts, who took a THIRD simultaneous wife in the early 1890s. Grass roots America collected 7 MILLION signatures on 28 banners and presented them to Congress...in pre-mass media 1800s! “[T]he kingdom of God... is to be a POLITICAL INSTITUTION THAT SHALL HOLD SWAY OVER ALL THE EARTH; TO WHICH ALL OTHER GOVERNMENTS WILL BE SUBORDINATE AND BY WHICH THEY WILL BE DOMINATED.” The Rise and Fall of Nauvoo, 1900, p. 180
Mitt Romney as POTUS??? Aside from above prophetic impositions, why would Mitt not only honor what these 'prophets' have spoken, but what a future Lds 'prophet' may tell him to do? The Law of Consecration Oath Mitt Romney has sworn in the Mormon temple (done before marriage/sealing in temple): "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and EVERYTHING with which the Lord has blessed you, or WITH which he MAY bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." Source: What is an LDS Church/Mormon temple marriage/sealing? [Q: Please define 'Zion': The LDS PR Web site (lds.org) defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church."]

4 posted on 03/16/2012 5:17:49 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Russ
You can bet they are going to be raised after Mitt's nomination. The Dems and MSM are holding fire for now, letting the GOP destroy itself.
7 posted on 03/16/2012 5:24:43 AM PDT by mrsixpack36
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To: Russ; All
Have any of these concerns ever been raised with Harry Reid? This is BS and has no place in any campaighn. I hope Romney loses but on the issues, not religion

As long as you've been consistent on this...which I doubt...
...I have yet to EVER find a FREEPER object to the FREEPER-posted religious rantings of Obama's former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright...
...Or the possibility that Obama is a Muslim...
...IOW, if what you say here was a true conviction -- which seems to be shared by many FREEPERS -- then we would have had DOZENS if not HUNDREDS of FREEPERS come onto those threads...especially in 2008...and scold the rest of us for actually having the gall to not keep religion "hermetically sealed..."
...But strangely...I've haven't seen those preached messages...
...Which tells me that FREEPERS like you tend to be two-faced on this...

May I suggest then...that anytime anybody raises Rev. Jeremiah Wright...
...or anytime anybody raises the possibility that Obama is a Muslim...
...that you wag your finger at them and tell them to keep religion out of it.

Because until I see that from FREEPERS, I'm going to continue to assume that hypocrisy rears its ugly head.

8 posted on 03/16/2012 5:26:20 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Russ

This information will be used less to attack Mitt and more to deflate the Religious Right, Silent Majority, Etc. vote.


9 posted on 03/16/2012 5:26:32 AM PDT by John 3_19-21
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To: Colofornian
Joseph Smith was expelled from Freemasonry for his attempts to turn it into a religion.

To be a Mason, you must believe in a Supreme Being. Freemasonry is NOT a religion!

10 posted on 03/16/2012 5:28:57 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Russ

I know the Mormons must be looking forward to bring in new gullible people once tthey have a president who’s in that cult.


11 posted on 03/16/2012 5:29:12 AM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: Colofornian

Nice neighbors.....good citizens.....but it’s a business and not a religion.


12 posted on 03/16/2012 5:29:23 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Redleg Duke
To be a Mason, you must believe in a Supreme Being. Freemasonry is NOT a religion!

I found this on a Web site...which shows that indeed Freemasonry depicts certain beliefs about salvation, etc...[this is especially conveyed at times like a funeral of a lodge member]:

Go to...then click on the: The Lodge, April, 2005

14 posted on 03/16/2012 5:37:30 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Vaquero

Am I in before the White Horse? I get a cut of the tinfoil concession, so I gotta bump this thread!


15 posted on 03/16/2012 5:39:37 AM PDT by magritte (Gladys Knight: Mormon Siren?)
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Per ExMormon.org: Mormons trying to get Richard Packham's article removed: "c'mon guys... add your support for the accuracy of this article - it'd be a shame if the Mormons actually get it taken down..."

The spirit of destroying the Nauvoo Expositor -- that which landed Joseph Smith in jail yet again -- is still on the loose!

16 posted on 03/16/2012 5:40:39 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: magritte
sorry, I usually get analogy.

is White Horse the biblical reference?

saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war.

or the Taylor Swift lyric.

This ain't Hollywood, this is a small town
I was a dreamer before you went and let me down
Now it's too late for you and your white horse, to come around

or perhaps this

“A fiery horse with the speed of light, a cloud of dust, and a hearty hi-ho, Silver!”

Enquiring minds want to know.

18 posted on 03/16/2012 5:59:56 AM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: Colofornian
Of course we believe in a life hereafter!

So, that makes us a cult in your eyes? Mote - log!

19 posted on 03/16/2012 6:11:20 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Colofornian

Exactly. People who believe in Mormonism are incredibly naive.


20 posted on 03/16/2012 6:24:10 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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To: Russ; Vaquero

Well said on both counts. I am LDS, and will not vote for Mitt in the primaries, and in fact, here in Idaho already cast my vote for Santorum.

Romney was not my 1st, 2nd, or 3rd choice (Palin, Cain, Santorum), but if the people nominate him, I will support him against the marxist Obama who is willfully destroying the nation in every way imagineable. I will do nothing that would help in any way for Obama to be re-elected.

Romnney is not close to my ideal conservative candidate, but he is saying a lot of the right things and if we elect the right House and Senate, which we also must do, I believe as a pol, he will do those things he is saying he will do...and if that is all he does, we as a nation will be immensly better off than with Obama.

AMERICA AT THE CROSSROADS OF HISTORY
http://www.jeffhead.com/crossroads.htm


21 posted on 03/16/2012 6:25:23 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Redleg Duke

Read up on your life hereafter and come back with your list of differences between your Mormon heaven and Christian Heaven.


22 posted on 03/16/2012 6:26:03 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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To: Colofornian

Funny thing about Mittens... I really do not think he is an avowed anything. If the wind blows left, he goes left, if it blows right, he goes right.


23 posted on 03/16/2012 6:27:08 AM PDT by jrestrepo (See you all in Galt's gulch)
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To: Redleg Duke
It is not belief that defines a cult in a pernicious sense.

It is coercion (particularly at points of entry and egress) and psychological control (i.e. brainwashing).

24 posted on 03/16/2012 6:27:44 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Colofornian

I thought there was supposed to be no discrimination against religion in America.

Oh yeah, that was before the ‘age of Obama’.


25 posted on 03/16/2012 6:31:53 AM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: Colofornian

So God has angels guarding the gates of heaven but we cannot get some troops to guard our borders?


26 posted on 03/16/2012 6:32:46 AM PDT by JoePost
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To: Colofornian
That a Mormon widow in good standing with the church, if she had more than one husband, can be sealed eternally to each and every husband she had on earth? (Thereby, if Mormons are right, becoming a polyanderer post-death...imagine all those men sleeping with the same woman!!!)

The Sadducees tried to trip up Jesus with their questions about the widow who married seven brothers in succession after the preceding one died, asking Him which she would be married to in Heaven. His answer was pretty clear then and it still stands today regardless of any cultic teachings.

27 posted on 03/16/2012 6:33:53 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Colofornian
I have no fear or concern for Mormonism one way or the other. From what I see, Mormons seem to be very nice people.

That being said, I dislike Romney not because he is a Mormon, but because he is NOT a Conservative. He ran as, governed as, and advocated for Liberalism in every aspect of his Governorship of Massachusetts.

If he does win the nomination, I am certain we will all get a full dose of Mormonism from the MSM and NOE of it will be flattering!

28 posted on 03/16/2012 6:36:44 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: blueunicorn6

You nailed it!


29 posted on 03/16/2012 6:44:39 AM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: Redleg Duke
To be a Mason, you must believe in a Supreme Being. Freemasonry is NOT a religion!

When I was interviewed prior to joining the Masons, over 30 years ago, I was asked whether I believed in God. It was the only question that I was asked that a negative answer to would have disqualified me. There are Jews, Catholic and Protestants in my Lodge, no Muzzies however, they fail to get past that belief in God thing.

J.Smith did indeed try to turn Free Masonry into a religion and for his efforts, he was kicked out. As a result, he invented his own religion, incorporating many of the Masonic signs, symbols and rituals. Free Masonry, is a fine, compassionate, fraternal organization. Nothing more and nothing less. Joseph Smith and his evil home made religion has managed to cast it in a bad light.

30 posted on 03/16/2012 6:47:31 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: SkyDancer; Redleg Duke
Read up on your life hereafter and come back with your list of differences between your Mormon heaven and Christian Heaven.

Is Redleg Duke a mormon? I sure didn't get that from either of his replies.

From this remark by Redleg Duke, I infer that he is not mormon:

Joseph Smith was expelled from Freemasonry for his attempts to turn it into a religion.

31 posted on 03/16/2012 6:56:31 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Graybeard58
Redleg Duke wrote: Of course we believe in a life hereafter! So, that makes us a cult in your eyes? Mote - log!

Seems pretty clear to me.

32 posted on 03/16/2012 7:01:24 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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33 posted on 03/16/2012 7:02:13 AM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Russ
"Have any of these concerns ever been raised with Harry Reid? This is BS and has no place in any campaighn. I hope Romney loses but on the issues, not religion. Same goes for Santorum."

Romney is, without question, a liberal who has no business being our nominee, not to mention a loathsome individual in his own right. But Harry Reid is not in the running to become the leader of this nation---Romney is. And I do not want a leader who is involved in the Mormon cult. To believe Romney will not be influenced by his church is, IMO, folly.

35 posted on 03/16/2012 7:17:08 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: Vaquero

It is truly a great concern for the anti-Mormons. Apparently, Romney is going to ride a White Horse into Washington, load the Executive Branch with Mormons, then force all the non-Mormons to wear secret underwear, take on multiple wives, and buy first-class tickets for some place called Kolob. This is all found, of course, in the barrage of anti-Mormon spam that is soon to follow in this thread, complete with Colored Fonts, ALL-CAPS, and other ingenious font selections to draw the eye, or as is truly the case, force posters to hit the space bar to get past it.

Tinfoil bump !


36 posted on 03/16/2012 7:22:48 AM PDT by magritte (Gladys Knight: Mormon Siren?)
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To: Russ

Harry Reid isn’t running fro President. He won’t have his finger on the nuclear button.


37 posted on 03/16/2012 7:27:52 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Mock the Vote!)
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To: CatherineofAragon

To believe Romney will not be influenced by his church is, IMO, folly.


Okay, I’ll bite into the paranoia. Specifically, what is the evil Mormon Church going to try to get Romney to do as President?


38 posted on 03/16/2012 7:28:42 AM PDT by magritte (Gladys Knight: Mormon Siren?)
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To: Colofornian

Interesting... so Mitt Romney has “inside voices” which will not shut the heck up regarding this cultic nonsense.

That explains a lot in term of arrogance and acts of stuck on stupid political demon possession of some.


39 posted on 03/16/2012 7:30:56 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Russ

Romney is who is he because of his mormonism, if you want to know who he is learn about mormonism.


40 posted on 03/16/2012 7:38:48 AM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Vaquero
If this doesn't concern you, you are an idiot. Mormonism is an authoritarian cult that controls its adherants lives through their families, homes and businesses. I've never met a happy Mormon woman. They are treated like slaves. The brutality and mind control are obvious.

Kennedy was clearly not a devout and practicing Catholic. Romney is a Mormon elder, wears the funny underwear and is anchored into the Mormon hierarchy.

I won't vote for him under any circumstances. There are millions like me who believe that their vote is a matter of sacred honor and will not be abused. Someday I'll stand before God and I don't want to be ashamed of having voted for evil.

41 posted on 03/16/2012 7:39:14 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: magritte

tinfoil indeed!


43 posted on 03/16/2012 7:42:33 AM PDT by Vaquero ("Sic semper tyrannis")
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To: Colofornian
Thank you for posting this. Romney's Mormonism is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that nobody wants to talk about for fear of being called a bigot.

Mormonism is a hateful perversion of God's Truth that imprisons its adherents in a grip of economic intimidation, authoritarianism and mind control.

Would the people on this thread, who are trying to refute the truth of what you've posted, vote for Jim Jones of Jonestown? Then why would they vote for a slavish devotee of the largest cult in the U.S.?

44 posted on 03/16/2012 7:44:15 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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Words have meanings: Of course we believe in a life hereafter! So, that makes us a cult in your eyes? Mote - log!
45 posted on 03/16/2012 7:46:44 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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To: magritte; All

The “white horse” margi refers to is a mormon prophecy of the mormons, that the constitution will be hanging be a thread and only a “saint” (lds member) will be able to save it and return the constitution and the USA back to its original intent (a theocracy run by mormons).
For an unknown reason to us all margi thinks if someone brings this forward on the religion forum when talking about mormons the people who brought it forward are the tin foil crowd.
Interesting that they are always the one who brings it up first, wonder why the obsession?


46 posted on 03/16/2012 7:46:53 AM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Vaquero

“white horse” is a mormon prophecy that states the constitution will be hanging by a thread and only they can restore it.
Romney has been groom since birth to fulfill this.
My lds family are all confident that he is the “one” and support him 100%.


47 posted on 03/16/2012 7:49:31 AM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: magritte

You know about their “White Horse prophecy”, right? Mormons Orrin Hatch and Glenn Beck have both (maybe unconsciously) quoted it in public, saying the Constitution is “hanging by a thread.” That prophecy goes on to say a Mormon will rescue it and fix things. Romney is known to have had extensive meetings with Mormon church leaders before running for president. And we know Willard is a true believer——there was a pic posted here of his special temple underwear showing beneath his shirt.

So, if it’s paranoia to believe a cult member will be influenced by his cult, then I guess I’m guilty.


48 posted on 03/16/2012 7:54:35 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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PS- I see that you also mentioned you're trying to be Christian. Perhaps maybe you should try a bit more introspection for your anger. Pray to Yashua for guidance.
49 posted on 03/16/2012 7:55:30 AM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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To: Colofornian
Cults, Movements, World Religions
Sects and Satanic Cults

50 posted on 03/16/2012 8:10:28 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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