Mitt Romney's Mormon Secrets [Temple oaths, secrets, secret tokens/passwords to heaven revealed]

Voices.Yahoo.com ^ | March 13, 2012 | Richard Packham

[Colofornian]

In all the extensive media coverage of Mitt Romney... not a word have I seen about the secrets of Mormonism, the secrets of Romney's life-long beliefs and practices...

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And why does Romney (and his church) want to keep people from knowing those secrets? Most Mormons will claim that they are not "secret," but merely..."sacred"...Mormons hold any number of other aspects...to be "sacred," and yet they don't hesitate to discuss them (for example: baptism, conferring the gift of the Holy Ghost, ordination to the priesthood, etc.)...

...I am going reveal those secrets...

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Part of the endowment ritual instructs the Mormons in the four "signs" and "tokens" of the Mormon priesthood. Each also has a "name" (or password)...The purpose of the signs and tokens, according to Mormon Prophet Brigham Young, is that they will be needed to pass the angels guarding the gates of heaven. The tokens are various handshakes, copied largely from the Masonic initiation rites of the 1830s, when church founder Joseph Smith was initiated into Freemasonry...

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So Mitt Romney, and all other righteous Mormons, can be confident that they know the secret passwords and secret handshakes to get into heaven. Do you see why Romney and his church are reluctant for "unworthy" people (the rest of us, including Mrs. Romney's parents) to know about this?...

The actions that were going to guarantee my entrance at the gates...would have nothing to do with love or charity or the other teachings of Christ...I hadn't heard a single one of those words spoken today, the most primary day of religious instruction in my entire life. No, I was going to burst into heaven on the basis of mumbo-jumbo...Did all the white-suited glorifiers in the room unquestioningly accept a ritual of nutty gestures from the pseudo-occult as a sacrament?...

[Elsie]

Perhaps maybe you should try a bit more introspection for your anger.

[Colofornian]

Funny thing about Mittens... I really do not think he is an avowed anything. If the wind blows left, he goes left, if it blows right, he goes right.

Joseph Smith, 1830 -- when he produced the Book of Mormon -- the wind was blowing "right" when it came to describing monogamy...it condemned polygamy [see Plural Marriages -- just posted yesterday]

Joseph Smith, 1831 -- when a young teen named Fanny Alger was a housekeeper @ his house...suddenly decided that monogamy was for the lovebirds as the wind blew "leftward"...see Alger History and Ancestry: Fanny W. Alger 1817-1879 [Mormon - Open]

Wilford Woodruff, Smith successor, 1890: Woodruff was an avowed polygamist...but he decided that at some point Mormons shouldn't be...and began putting the brakes on polygamy...the wind was blowing right again.

Mormonism today: Straddles the world -- telling the world it has done away with polygamy -- all the while it has an "eternal world" doctrine that admits not only polygamists like Joseph Smith & Brigham Young...but a Mormon guy who sequentially marries several women...and is married to them in the Mormon temple for "eternity" -- is a supposed "eternal polygamist."

So...in the colonized Mormon eternal world...the wind blows leftward...on earth...the wind blows to the right re: polygamy -- at least until the Mormon Jesus returns...when Lds "apostle" Bruce McConkie proclaimed in 1966 and republished in late 70s that polygamy will be re-instated then...

So you see...Mitt is remaining "true" to the flip-floppy, wishy-washy, waffling Mormonism!

[Elsie]

Yes, Mormonism is a cult as far as Catholics are concerned.

As well as anyone with half of a functioning brain...

[Elsie]

As well as anyone with half of a functioning brain...

[freedomlover]

[magritte]

Thanks for your reply. I understand you think it’s a cult and the like...I’ve talked to Baptists that think the same of Catholics as well. Taft was a Unitarian and did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Did that affect any of his Presidential actions?

What will the LDS “leaders” instruct Romney to do if he becomes President?

[Elsie]

All of you ANTIs are hateful BIGOTS!!

You ALL know that you put the right foot in and WAVE it all about is the proper procedure!!

--MormonDude(Over and over I tell these jerks: SHAKING is for GENTILES!)

[Elsie]

With a Stepford Wife stare; MORMONs will claim the "Personages standing in the Light" were NOT demonic beings!

Galatians 1:7-10
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

 

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
15. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

 

Revelation 13:13-15
13. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14. And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

 

It appears that EXPERIENCES can be deceiving...

 

If one believes the Bible is correct, then, by that Standard, Mormonism fails the test.

If, however, you are convinced that the Bible is either in error, been corrupted or mis-interpreted, then you are free to believe whatever you wish.

[Colofornian]

Funny thing about Mittens... I really do not think he is an avowed anything. If the wind blows left, he goes left, if it blows right, he goes right.

Mormons have a rightward bent reputation...but the Mormon church can be liberal when it wants to...and it's been awfully convenient for that to happen more and more the last few years.

'Leftward Wind-blowin' Examples:

* Homosexual rights: Mormon church supports Salt Lake City's protections for gay rights and Mormons Back Salt Lake City Gay Rights Laws

Illegal Immigration liberal policy nuances... note these headlines:
* 2 LDS branch presidents in Utah deported to Guatemala, El Salvador
* Utahpolicy.com had a headline in 2011: Considering The Disconnect Between Some LDS Church Members and Leadership on Immigration

Abortion: The official Mormon church position (see
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_abor.htm) is that it's "OK" for an abortion if...
(a) Incest needs to be covered up;
(b) The baby is disabled and needs to be destroyed accordingly
(c) Mom's "health" (whatever that means...distinct from saying "life" of the mother)
(d) If the abortionist says it's "OK"
(e) If the Mormon god says it's "OK" in prayer...

E alone above could "justify" abortion to individual Mormons as long it overrides the person's conscience!

And if you need further evidence of just how liberal the Mormon church leadership can be when it wants to be, then look at how Harry Reid was welcomed with such warm open arms by an all BYU student & faculty occasion for Reid to speak there: Reid gets warm reception at BYU

Too many FREEPERS somehow think that Romney's wishy-washiness is "unconnected" to his faith. Well, the Mormon leadership has shown it can be morally wishy-washy whenever it's "convenient."

It was "convenient" for the Mormon church leadership to pass homosexual rights for Salt Lake City 'cause they were coming off of what the MSM regarded "negative" media play re: Prop 8 in CA.

It was "convenient" for their missionary program to support aspects of immigrants being here illegally.

And, at times, it's been "convenient" for daughters of Mormon leaders and others to get abortions.

Certainly, it's been "convenient" for them to have a Harry Reid in Congress "watch out" for Mormon church interests.

Historically, it was "convenient" for the Mormon god to change his mind about skin color...even if he didn't change Mormon racist "sacred book" passages depicting open racism. And it was "convenient" for the Mormon church to slowly rid itself of open polygamy because their church was threatened, their menfolk were in jail, and they wanted statehood. Even then, it was "convenient" for their original leader, Joseph Smith, to engage in sex with many women even though his own penned Book of Mormon called polygamy an "abomination."

Yup. Mitt Romney is being "true" to his roots...flow right enough to counterfeit...then flow left...flow right enough when challenged...then flow left.

[Colofornian]

Your ignorance is only surpassed by your sanctimoniousness.

(Said redlegduke, rather sanctimoniously)

[SkyDancer]

I have no idea what his problem is. He came across as a Mormon with how he phrased his original post. Next he comes back with this hateful post instead of asking what I meant. He’s the one with the anger issue.

[Colofornian]

Of course we believe in a life hereafter! So, that makes us a cult in your eyes? Mote - log!

Apparently, you didn't read my qualifier in posts #2 & #3: I said: Its doctrine need not be conventional—but it SHOULD BE KNOWABLE TO OUTSIDERS. Absent those qualities, an unorthodox religion can descend into something darker.

Let's apply this descent "into something darker" that the Mormon church has done with the example you give -- the life hereafter!

Mormons do this in numerous ways. I'll outline four ways...the "4th way" will be the next post:
(a) They claim that the only ones who get to be reconciled forever with Heavenly Father are married temple Mormons. Not even just "any" Mormon -- but only those with temple recommends & only those who are married. The worse thing about this is that Mormons say there are two other "spheres of heaven" -- but nobody in them is reconciled to live with Heavenly Father forever. What kind of a "heaven" have the Mormons created which has no Heavenly Father in it for most people???

(b) Nobody is "split up" for a while post-death...everybody goes to the same "spirit world"...Hitler...bin Laden...wind up in the same spirit world as everybody else...See from official Lds church magazine, Liahona, an explanation: The Spirit World, Our Next Home(The OTHER World Series: Mormon beliefs beyond this world)...And since Mormons have "baptized by proxy" both Hitler and Anne Frank, they both get the "opportunity" to accept the Mormon "gospel" and move in together in the lowest of three "degrees" of "salvation"

(c) Mormons claim that temple Mormons can become grown-up "gods" -- thereby creating competing gods to their own...so much for Mormons advocating that God receive ALL worship, adoration, prayer, etc.

[Colofornian]

And a 4th way Mormons make the afterlife "darker":

(d) According to other sources, one of things that happens in the Mormon temple is that "...all parts of the body are washed and anointed with oil by the temple worker. Initiates are told that it will clean them from the blood and sins of this generation."

(Hmm...I could have sworn that the real Biblical Gospel claims that the blood of Christ takes care of those...but leave it to Mormon leaders to trump the blood of Christ with water -- just like they do in their Weekly Sacrament, replacing fruit of the vine with water).

Even to get into the Mormon temple, “The ‘temple recommend’ is a cherished slip of PAPER that gives its holder the right to enter the LDS temple and participate in its ceremonies.

Therefore, a piece of PAPER signed off by a Mormon lay bishop -- a position held at one time by Mitt Romney -- can determine if...
...a man gets to be sealed with his family forever in heaven...
...a person will be living with Heavenly Father forever -- or not...
...you can see your son or daughter get married (or other relatives and friends, for that matter)
...you'll become a "god" or not...

Reflective Questions:
* Could you imagine Mitt Romney having that kind of power over you were you in Mitt's ward back when he was a lay bishop?
* Or knowing that Mitt himself believed he once held that kind of power?
* Now do you see why the author called this a "Mormon conspiracy"? (It takes quite a plot to have a piece of PAPER carry that much weight in a person's life)
* Now do you see why Lds lay bishops carry so much fearful power in the Mormon church? (A bishop says "jump" -- and the Mormon asks, "How high?")

You see mere pieces of PAPER carry tremendous weight in the Mormon church.

Q1: How do Mormons determine their next head "prophet"?

A: Among those eligible, a piece of PAPER printed long ago does. It's called a calendar. The age of the Mormon general authority among the candidates is what dictates to the Mormon god who gets the nod.

Lds may talk about how they "sustain" who the "prophet" is by a show of hands...but coincidentally, no "no" votes seems to have ever been tallied. Even the Mormon holy ghost can't override the the power of calendar PAPER re: the selection process.

Q2: In the Mormon plan of salvation, what power do pieces of PAPER carry beyond temple recommended Mormons?

A: Others (non-Mormons) can get a "get-out-spirit prison" monopoly card because some keen Mormon researchers found some old pieces of PAPER -- birth and death records...which in turn can trigger a proxy baptism in that Mormon temple...which supposedly triggers deceased Mormon spirit missionaries to go visit the Spirit World where ALL go after they die [If you don't believe this part of what I'm saying, go to this Mormon published source here: The Spirit World, Our Next Home

Q3: How does the power Mormon leaders assign to mere pieces of PAPER compare to how Jesus treated the all holy Bible -- which consists, of course of pieces of PAPER?

A: Even Jesus set the holiest pieces of PAPER in proper perspective when He said: 39(You) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of ME. (John 5:39)

IOW, even many people attending a Christian church abort the process. They search the Scriptures, thinking "in them" that they "have eternal life"....Yet Jesus said even the PAPERED Scriptures' purpose was to testify to HIM!!! (A testimony to a living relationship with the LIVING WORD, Jesus Christ). Jesus CANNOT be reduced to mere words about Him on pages. The LIVING WORD is to be encountered!

[Redleg Duke]

Let me explain in one more time, you sanctimonous moron!

I am not a Mormon!

I am aLutheran, trying to be a Christian!

I have been a Freemason for nearly 40 years and have had no conflict between that fraternal organization and my Christian Religion.

End of statement. End of conversation.

[Colofornian]

I am aLutheran, trying to be a Christian! I have been a Freemason for nearly 40 years and have had no conflict between that fraternal organization and my Christian Religion.

Well, good. The link I gave in post #14 that shows some problematic aspects about Freemasonry is Lutheran...Some Lutherans really do frown on that.

[CatherineofAragon]

"Thanks for your reply. I understand you think it’s a cult and the like...I’ve talked to Baptists that think the same of Catholics as well. Taft was a Unitarian and did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Did that affect any of his Presidential actions? What will the LDS “leaders” instruct Romney to do if he becomes President?"

Is there any point in playing with you, Magritte? I don't think anything I say is going to be taken seriously by you. Do you?

[CatherineofAragon]

"I never have either, and I am a woman and used to be Mormon.

They will wear the “Stepford Wife” smile and say ‘everything is wonderful’, but the pressure, stress and depression is killing them. Every Ex-mo female I know says the same thing."

I've seen some episodes of the TV show, Sister Wives. Now I know they are so-called "fundamentalist" Mormons, but they say polygamy is so beneficial for the soul because it challenges you to be your best person, to rise above your jealousy. It came out later that the woman who was most vocal about it was on anti-depressants because of "jealousy issues."

It's not natural, and it's very sad for those women.

[Redleg Duke]

WELS frowns upon all things non-WELS. I am sure you would fit right in with them.

[Elsie]

Homosexual rights: Mormon church supports Salt Lake City's protections for gay rights and Mormons Back Salt Lake City Gay Rights Laws

I'm a MORMON ...

 

 

 

http://www.affirmation.org/