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President Carter says he clashed with 'fundamentalist' Pope John Paul II
Catholic Culture ^ | March 24, 2012 | Diogenes

Posted on 03/24/2012 10:09:41 AM PDT by NYer

Former US President Jimmy Carter has disclosed that he had angry exchanges with Pope John Paul II about liberation theology and about the ordination of women.

The former president said that he complained to the Pontiff about the Church’s “perpetuation of the subservience of women” while Blessed John Paul II was visiting the US in 1978, and “there was more harshness when we turned to the subject of ‘liberation theology.” Carter said that he classified the Pope as a “fundamentalist,” placing him in that category along with Iran’s late Ayatollah Khomeini.

In the same interview Carter said that “it is very fine for gay people to be married in civil ceremonies,” although he suggested—“maybe arbitrarily”—that churches should not be required by law to solemnize same-sex unions.

Carter made his remarks as he introduced a new edition of the Bible with his own study notes, helping readers to follow his understanding of the Scriptures.

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1 posted on 03/24/2012 10:09:48 AM PDT by NYer
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Pope John Paul II’s 1979 Visit to the U.S. – VOA Video

President Jimmy Carter with Pope John Paul II, photograph by Bill Fitz-Patrick, October 6, 1979

President Jimmy Carter with Pope John Paul II, photograph by Bill Fitz-Patrick, October 6, 1979

Pope John Paul II’s 1979 Visit to the U.S. – VOA Video

President Jimmy Carter’s notes from his private meeting with Pope John Paul II, October 6, 1979, front

President Jimmy Carter’s notes from his private meeting with Pope John Paul II, October 6, 1979, front

Although his notes are sketchy, they show that the discussion included particular situations in the Philippines, China, Europe, South Korea, and the Middle East. The White House issued a statement that day stating that during the meeting “the Pope and the President agreed that efforts to advance human rights constitute the compelling idea of our times.”

National Archives, Jimmy Carter Presidential Library and Museum, Atlanta, Georgia

President Jimmy Carter’s notes from his private meeting with Pope John Paul II, October 6, 1979, reverse

President Jimmy Carter’s notes from his private meeting with Pope John Paul II, October 6, 1979, reverse

National Archives, Jimmy Carter Presidential Library and Museum, Atlanta, Georgia

2 posted on 03/24/2012 10:11:31 AM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: NYer

Peanut Boy is still alive?


3 posted on 03/24/2012 10:11:42 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: NYer

Looking forward to the day when I can say, “Rest in peace, Mr. Carter”.


4 posted on 03/24/2012 10:12:09 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: NYer
One of these days, Carter is going to have a long talk with God. And I think Jimmy is going to try to win that argument.

But he won't.

5 posted on 03/24/2012 10:12:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Blacks get shot every day. What makes Trayvon so special? Democrat hype.)
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To: NYer

Jimmy’s just upset that Pope John Paul helped to bring down Communism.


6 posted on 03/24/2012 10:13:45 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: NYer

Reagan forged one of the greatest alliances with JPII to end the cold war by keeping The Soviet Union out of Poland during the Gdansk labor revolt.


7 posted on 03/24/2012 10:14:02 AM PDT by AU72
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To: NYer

It’s easy for Carter to claim to recall some exchange with a Pope who has since passed.Carter is such an incredible POS,wish that rabbit would have gotten him.Would have saved us all a lot of trouble.


8 posted on 03/24/2012 10:14:07 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: NYer
The former president said that he complained to the Pontiff about the Church’s “perpetuation of the subservience of women”

I wonder if Carter has any problem with how Muslim women are treated.
9 posted on 03/24/2012 10:14:16 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: NYer

10 posted on 03/24/2012 10:14:48 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Peanut Boy is still alive?

He is staging a comeback. He has lost the title of worst president ever and is in fear of losing the number one ranking of worst ex-president. Only by a more vocal and visible presence can he hope to stave off the threats and retain his title as worst ex-president ever.

11 posted on 03/24/2012 10:15:27 AM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: NYer

I certainly hope they put a flashlight in Mr Carters coffin. He’s going to need it to find his way around in the dark.


12 posted on 03/24/2012 10:16:40 AM PDT by mardi59
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To: NYer

Liberation theology is heresy of the first order.

Hey Peanut Boy, you may not know what “Blessed” means, but the Blessed John Paul II did more to advance human rights and freedom than you can even comprehend. You’re a worm.


13 posted on 03/24/2012 10:17:42 AM PDT by piytar (Rebellion is here! Free Republic is on the front line! NEVER SURRENDER!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You got that right!

I don’t think Carter will like the judgment of Jesus Christ for supporting liberal issues such as abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage, etc.

Those issues are all spoken about in negative terms in the bible.


14 posted on 03/24/2012 10:18:22 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: raybbr

Not my call, but my guess is Peanut Boy won’t be resting in peace. You shall know them by their works...


15 posted on 03/24/2012 10:19:09 AM PDT by piytar (Rebellion is here! Free Republic is on the front line! NEVER SURRENDER!)
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To: piytar

We were most fortunate in the 80s to have three leaders such as JPII, Reagan and Mrs. Thatcher. Compare these greats to Jimmy Carter, the two Bushes, Obama and Cameron. Case closed.


16 posted on 03/24/2012 10:21:50 AM PDT by laconic
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To: NYer

I knew he was a bum back then. Even though I didn’t even like Ford, I believed Carter was too much of a deceiving phony and cast my vote for Pres. Ford (I was too young to vote for Ronald Reagan in the primaries).


17 posted on 03/24/2012 10:23:26 AM PDT by Stepan12
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To: NYer

The Baptist in me is appalled by this morally challenged ex-President. I’m also sorry that the NIV has sunk so low that they are putting out a Jimmy Carter study bible, presumably with notes on how to kiss the butts of dictators world wide...or to encourage other posterior activities.


18 posted on 03/24/2012 10:27:52 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: NYer

Yes. The idiot peanut farmer did not understand your courageous words ... Be Not Afraid ... but I did. And they tore down that wall, didn't they?

19 posted on 03/24/2012 10:28:17 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: piytar

I couldn’t tell. Was Jummah for or against Liberation theology?


20 posted on 03/24/2012 10:29:05 AM PDT by DManA
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To: NYer

We need the photo of the rabid rabbit.


21 posted on 03/24/2012 10:29:05 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: NYer

He didn’t have a problem with his wife being subservient or the ‘fundamentalism of Hamas and Hezbollah.

IIRC, When I was in the South, a fundamentalist was a good thing for bible believing Christians.


22 posted on 03/24/2012 10:30:43 AM PDT by AliVeritas (God's will be done. Pray, Pray, Pray, Penance, Penance, Penance.)
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To: NYer
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23 posted on 03/24/2012 10:31:30 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- Hillary Clinton)
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To: DManA
Was Jummah for or against Liberation theology?


24 posted on 03/24/2012 10:31:38 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: NYer
It figures that Carter thinks a Mooze Lame mass murderer who married a ten year old girl when he was twenty eight is a lot like Pope John Paul II.

He also thought the people who fled to Canada to avoid the draft were a lot like those who answered the call and served in Vietnam.

25 posted on 03/24/2012 10:32:32 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: NYer

Like many of us old men, Carter is probably getting inventive in his old age. He is confusing what he wishes he had said and done with what he actually did. And when he knows that he cannot be contradicted, he just says whatever.


26 posted on 03/24/2012 10:33:07 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

27 posted on 03/24/2012 10:33:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: NYer
Is the author missing the bombshell?:

Need to have one, common prayer in Latin
Pope John Paul II believed that the Latin mass was necessary?

28 posted on 03/24/2012 10:33:29 AM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer; All

Weak (read “moderate”) Republican presidents giv us catastrophic presidents. Ford, Bush pere, and GWB are examples this. By far Carter and Obama have been the worst of the worse.


29 posted on 03/24/2012 10:34:49 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: NYer
Carter made his remarks as he introduced a new edition of the Bible with his own study notes, helping readers to follow his understanding of the Scriptures.

Stunning. Just imagine the sheer arrogance of someone doing such a thing. A completely self-absorbed narcissist.

* a new edition of the Bible
* with his own study notes
* to follow his understanding of the Scriptures

O God, deliver us from liberal socialist democrats.

30 posted on 03/24/2012 10:37:54 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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LOL! I'm sure it was all the Pope could do to keep from laughing in Jimmah's face.

Actually, no, the Pope probably just prayed for him, because that message wasn't anything new. I'm sure the Pope had already heard all that from some alleged Catholic leaders, who likely had hung the same 'fundamentalist' tag on him.

31 posted on 03/24/2012 10:40:36 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: NYer

Jimmy, it’s nunyaz.


32 posted on 03/24/2012 10:43:36 AM PDT by steve8714 (Clay...Carnahan...who is the least of these?)
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To: NYer

Carter will be judged someday by God and will have to answer for his actions.


33 posted on 03/24/2012 10:43:44 AM PDT by bjcoop
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To: raybbr

The Plains 7-11 will sell out of 6 packs of Bud when he’s gone.


34 posted on 03/24/2012 10:45:08 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: NYer
jimmy carter criticizes a Pope who's about to become a saint?

imagine that.

calls him "fundamentalist?" that's positively absurd -- just so jimmah.

35 posted on 03/24/2012 10:46:42 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (obamacare is an oxymoron.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I noticed that. I don’t think I am going to take theological advice from Jimmy Carter.


36 posted on 03/24/2012 10:47:05 AM PDT by Volunteer (Though I know that the hypnotized never lie, do ya? - The Who)
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To: NYer

Gee, I wonder how he got that bible, before he took his turn corrupting it?

Smell the humility. Bless his soul.

Too bad he didn’t go Louie and mix it with the quran... Oops, better see it first.

We’re not praying enough.


37 posted on 03/24/2012 10:48:23 AM PDT by AliVeritas (God's will be done. Pray, Pray, Pray, Penance, Penance, Penance.)
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To: Volunteer

Even the Devil can quote Scripture.


38 posted on 03/24/2012 10:49:21 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I see he has adapted the latest liberal “religious” teaching....”Jesus never said anything about homosexuality”...

They aren’t very deep thinkers are they?


39 posted on 03/24/2012 10:51:40 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: NYer

Jimmy Carter is slimier than buzzard puke . . . I’ll vote for the Pope in this one and I’m not Catholic.


40 posted on 03/24/2012 10:53:44 AM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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Ah yes, beloved Jimmuh--the Pecksniffian Progressive Peckerwood of Plains.
41 posted on 03/24/2012 10:55:59 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: NYer

Jimmy Carter: on the wrong side of history yet again.

And a man with the worst judgement of any president outside of the current one...


42 posted on 03/24/2012 10:55:59 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: NYer

America should have elected Billy instead.


43 posted on 03/24/2012 10:56:34 AM PDT by Liberty Wins (Newt --named after Isaac Newton?)
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To: raybbr

I look forward to this day:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oeYUEVPMvDM/Tdc3lpW96iI/AAAAAAAAAIg/21r4WiZlaa4/s400/grave+piss.jpg


44 posted on 03/24/2012 11:03:06 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: AU72
Reagan forged one of the greatest alliances with JPII to end the cold war by keeping The Soviet Union out of Poland during the Gdansk labor revolt.

That is true, and Ronnie deserves credit...but he would also be the first to acknowledge and celebrate that the overwhelming moral authority of the Polish Pope, in his pilgimage to his homeland, disarmed Jaruszelski and defeated the totalitarians without a shot being fired.

When the communists saw the tsunami of love and determination from his countrymen they knew they were licked, that neither Soviet tanks nor the gates of Hell could answer to the power represented by the Blessed JPII.

45 posted on 03/24/2012 11:04:58 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Farmer Dean

When Jummah Cahtah’s mother Lillian made the statement, “Sometimes when I look at my children, I say to myself, ‘Lillian, you should have remained a virgin!’” She wasn’t just whistlin’ Dixie!


46 posted on 03/24/2012 11:09:53 AM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: DManA

For


47 posted on 03/24/2012 11:10:46 AM PDT by piytar (Rebellion is here! Free Republic is on the front line! NEVER SURRENDER!)
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To: NYer
And Pope John Paull II said to President Carter, "Jimmah, I will pray for your soul. I will ask God to grant you the Grace to mend your ways and leave the road you are on which has Hell as its sole destination."

The Pope then paused before adding, "Tell your Uncle Teddy I will pray for his soul too."

Carter was upset and stormed off muttering, "Who does this stupid Pollack think he is? God's Vicar on Earth?"

48 posted on 03/24/2012 11:10:46 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Romney ruined Massachusetts. Now he wants to ruin the nation.)
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To: hinckley buzzard; AliVeritas

A very accurate description of Carter is Marxist Fundamentalist, or would Progressive Fundamentalist have a better ring to it?


49 posted on 03/24/2012 11:12:22 AM PDT by ngat
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To: NYer

What an embarrasment to Protestants.


50 posted on 03/24/2012 11:15:49 AM PDT by grumpa
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