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Scientific, Scriptural evidence points to authenticity of image of Jesus on Shroud of Turin
theBeacon ^ | 03.22.12 | Michael Wojcik

Posted on 03/25/2012 5:04:13 PM PDT by Coleus

For nearly two decades, a stubborn Barrie Schwortz remained skeptical about the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin, even after having seen most of the overwhelming evidence in favor up close with his own eyes. Still this lifelong Jew and official photographer for the scientific study team that investigated the shroud in 1978 kept wondering — does this centuries-old burial cloth bear the actual image of the crucified Jesus, as millions believe, or does this widely venerated relic represent little more than a great medieval forgery, perpetuated by a clever artist?

“I was skeptical [about the shroud’s authenticity] for 18 years,” the Coloradobased Schwortz told an enthusiastic audience of 300 people March 16 at St. Paul Inside the Walls: the Catholic Center for Evangelization at Bayley-Ellard here during his PowerPoint slide presentation, “The Shroud of Turin: Myth or Miracle?” “Today, based on all the evidence, I believe that the image on the shroud is that of the historical Jesus.”

In an enlightening and often funny presentation, Schwortz presented compelling evidence from decades of rigorous and peer-reviewed scientific, Scrip tural and historical research — much of which he has seen with his own eyes. He also chronicled his own amazing journey from skeptic to believer in the shroud’s authenticity.

It all started in 1978 after Schwortz accepted what he called “the assignment of a lifetime” as the official documenting photographer in Italy of the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) Inc., which has its own story filled with international intrigue.

“I am not an scientist. I’m an ex-hippie photographer,” said Schwortz, sporting a gray pony tail and laying out data that points to the shroud’s authenticity, including a piece of “smoking gun” evidence he learned about in 1995 that blew away his skepticism. “I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. That’s between you and God. You come to your own conclusion,” he told the audience.

Slowly, Schwortz started coming to his own conclusions, when STURP — Scientific, Scriptural evidence points to authenticity of image of Jesus on Shroud of Turin See Shroud on Page 4 beach to serve diocesan poor consisting of some of the world’s greatest scientific minds started to examine the 14½-foot long, 3½-foot wide linen cloth. The shroud — which has been damaged by fire and repaired several times in its history — bears the frontal and rear images of a scourged, crucified man. The team examined at the shroud under the approval of his owners at the time, the Dukes of Savoy, the former ruling family of Italy.

From Oct. 8 and Oct. 14, 1978, STURP spent 120 hours with the shroud not in a sterile laboratory but in the royal palace adjoining the Shrine of Turin, which houses the relic. Researches carefully planned out most of the examination, even designing a special steel table for the shroud that rotated. They also anticipated the “ad-hoc” conditions of the palace, designating a bathroom as the darkroom, which required a water source. They also ran up against interest groups that lobbied to prevent research on the shroud, now the property of the Catholic Church, said Schwortz, founder of the Shroud of Turin Education and Research Association, who lectures widely on this controversial subject.

“One day, I went to see the long line of people [at the Shrine of Turin]. I was baffled. Why would they stand for hours to see this piece of cloth?” Schwortz said. “But then I looked into the people’s faces and saw how meaningful it was. It was then that I took my work [photographing STURP’s work] more seriously,” he said.

Actually, Schwortz’s skepticism started to soften within minutes of casting his eyes on the shroud for the first time. Through a magnifying glass, he noticed that the marks on the cloth were not pigment. Later research showed that the blood remained red and had not turned brown with age. UV fluorescent photos showed a “halo” at the edge of a wound and the pattern of blood flow on the cloth, he said. “This could not have been the work of an artist,” said Schwortz, whose photographs over the years have been used by shroud researchers and have appeared in many books, magazines, scientific journals, films and television documentaries.

“The level and quality of the science was incredible.” In Turin, STURP also conducted infrared imaging and chemical analysis on the shroud. The evidence points to the Scriptural and historical accuracy of the crucifixion marks on the cloth — from the bloodstains at the hands and feet to the crown of thorns smashed on his head to the scourge marks, Schwortz said.

About 18 years after STURP concluded its research, Schwortz remained troubled that the blood on the cloth stayed red. Then in 1995, a Jewish chemist explained that Jesus suffered unimaginable trauma — from the beating and whippings to the crucifixion — that left him in shock and dehydrated. This caused the body to produce a substance called bilirubin, which stays red forever.

Later data also debunked a major piece of evidence that pointed against the shroud’s authenticity, which caused further international intrigue. In 1988, three labs claimed that radio carbon dating tests placed the age of the cloth at between 1260 and 1390. But in 2000, researchers discovered that cloth that had been tested came from a corner that had been rewoven. They found two pieces of thread spliced together with cotton — not linen — which violated Jewish law at the time of Jesus’ death, Schwortz said.

“I think that the shroud bears the image of the historical Jesus, but I’m not convinced that Jesus is the Messiah,” said Schwortz, adding that his skepticism about Christ’s divinity gives him further credibility, when laying out the Scriptural, historical and scientific evidence for the shroud’s historical authenticity. “But I can elect [to accept Christ as Savior] at any time. Right now, I am serving God dong this, because I am a Jew,” he said.

After a question-and-answer session, Father Geno Sylva, St. Paul’s director and diocesan vicar for evangelization, thanked Schwortz for “teaching and inspiring us.” “This has been a night of devotion — delving into the love of the Savior — and evangelization,” Father Sylva told the audience. “Mr. Schwortz had challenged us to share the information we learned tonight about the shroud and share it with others. We are all called to be evangelists,” he said.

Afterward, Betsy Sullivan of Christ the King Parish, New Vernon, called Schwortz’s presentation “enriching.” “It [the presentation] helps us embrace Lent,” said Sullivan, who came to St. Paul’s with her nephew. “I feel empowered in giving up something for Lent, because I saw Jesus’ wounds [on the cloth] and realized what he did for us.”


TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: barrieschwortz; jewish; photographer; shroudofturin

1 posted on 03/25/2012 5:04:18 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Swordmaker; narses; NYer

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2 posted on 03/25/2012 5:08:51 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus; zot; SeraphimApprentice; Interesting Times; Alamo-Girl

Thank you for the post. More proof of the Shroud’s authencity


3 posted on 03/25/2012 5:23:00 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Coleus
In 1981 or 82 I went to a presentation at the Jeffersonian campus of, I think, U of C. There was a replica of the shroud, and all the evidence they had so far. The most intriguing aspect was the researcher’s ability to form a three-dimentional mold of the head. They used pieces of cardboard to form the general shape. Then they filled in the rest like someone would work from a skull. The “worst” part of the exhibit was the “autopsy.” How anyone could have lived through that for the three hours He was hanged on the cross is beyond belief. It was a sobering experience.
The really bad mistake I made, though, was allowing a genuinely Irish priest drive my car home. I swear he never drove under 70 m.p.h.
4 posted on 03/25/2012 5:30:21 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: GreyFriar

Thank you for the ping. I became convinced that the Shroud is genuine when I learned that the Carbon-14 test was done on a rewoven patch and not the original material.


5 posted on 03/25/2012 5:39:39 PM PDT by zot
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To: Swordmaker; narses; NYer; Coleus; zot; SeraphimApprentice; Interesting Times; Alamo-Girl; ...
This pipedream with the Shroud will never convince a non-believer no matter how much evidence is put in front of them. Therefore this need to "prove" it real seems to be a mission for proof for those who claim to be faithful but require physical things to validate their so-called faith.

I never understood the need to prove such a thing was real or fake. I guess I'm lucky in that my faith doesn't require physical things to be validated. I don't need a piece of cloth, a mummified heart, a bejeweled skull, or any other subsitutionary idols to know and profess my faith in G-d.
6 posted on 03/25/2012 5:44:44 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: zot

I think I’ve always thought it is authentic. Or decided it was so long ago, I don’t remember having doubted its authencity. And Veronica’s veil has no unknown period of existence to cast doubt on it.


7 posted on 03/25/2012 5:46:42 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: brent13a
This pipedream with the Shroud will never convince a non-believer no matter how much evidence is put in front of them.

Why is it a "pipedream" and how is it supposed to convince anyone? People saw Jesus perform miracles right in front of them and didn't believe.

8 posted on 03/25/2012 5:49:27 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (If we had a President, he'd look like Newt.)
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To: Coleus

Sounds like this guy believes that the image on the shroud could be a miracle. I wonder why he thinks that being Jewish means he can’t believe that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. Does he think the miracle of the image’s creation was done by either nature or by the devil?


9 posted on 03/25/2012 5:51:19 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: brent13a

I’m with you and do not believe and have never believed that the Shroud of Turin is the shroud of Jesus.

I do not need physical proof to know that God and his Son exist, are real, and are our salvation.


10 posted on 03/25/2012 5:54:19 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Seamus Sez: "Good dogs don't let their masters vote for Mitt!")
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To: Future Snake Eater
People saw Jesus perform miracles right in front of them and didn't believe.

And?
Did the witnesses who did believe then bow down to those who were healed? Did the wedding party worship the wine that had been changed? I know of nowhere in Tanakh or Jesus' words that tells me I need to worry about physical items nor bow down to them no matter what they are or where they came from.
The act of the miracle itself and the power of that miracle coming from G-d is what should be revered, not the object or byproduct of the miracle.
11 posted on 03/25/2012 5:58:40 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: brent13a; Swordmaker; narses; NYer; Coleus; zot; SeraphimApprentice; Interesting Times; ...

Brent, I believe you are confusing that believing an artifact is real IS the reason for my and other’s belief in Jesus, rather than it is our belief in Jesus and His gift of our salvation from Him. Metaforically, you are putting the cart in front of the horse that is pulling the wagon and the cart attached to the wagon.

Non-believers will never believe that the shroud is authentic, because they have no belief in Jesus and His message, and some don’t even believe He existed.

The Shroud’s authenticity does not cause my belief in Jesus, it is my belief in him and of His ressurrection, that allows me to believe in the Shroud being His burial cloth.


12 posted on 03/25/2012 6:00:04 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: mountainbunny

I do not need physical proof to know that God and his Son exist, are real, and are our salvation. >>

nor do most Christians, it’s called faith...


13 posted on 03/25/2012 6:00:42 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: butterdezillion
Does he think the miracle of the image’s creation was done by either nature or by the devil?

The act of the miracle itself and the power of that miracle coming from G-d is what should be revered, not the object or byproduct of the miracle.
14 posted on 03/25/2012 6:01:01 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: brent13a

It’s simply a validation of the faith, nothing more. A physical, forensically verifiable item that comes as close to definitive proof as you can get without HD video of the event.

Anyone who worships the Shroud is a fool who needs to go back to the Bible. The Shroud could be burned tomorrow, and it would be a significant historical loss, but it wouldn’t affect Christianity in any way. Not like the effect that destroying Mecca and Medina would have on Islam.


15 posted on 03/25/2012 6:04:36 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (If we had a President, he'd look like Newt.)
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To: brent13a
This pipedream with the Shroud will never convince a non-believer no matter how much evidence is put in front of them. Therefore this need to "prove" it real seems to be a mission for proof for those who claim to be faithful but require physical things to validate their so-called faith. I never understood the need to prove such a thing was real or fake. I guess I'm lucky in that my faith doesn't require physical things to be validated. I don't need a piece of cloth, a mummified heart, a bejeweled skull, or any other subsitutionary idols to know and profess my faith in G-d.

Why use the term "G-d"? Is there something wrong with the word "God"? Yes - believers don't need a shroud or physical evidence to sustain their beliefs. But the shroud is quite a mystery and the fact scientists still can't quite figure it out makes the continued study quite logical and ... fascinating. Even Spock would approve.

16 posted on 03/25/2012 6:13:30 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: brent13a

True. The object itself is just the stuff of earth but the miracle itself is the stuff of Heaven. The real treasure is the One who did it.

But doesn’t it seem weird that the Lord would do a miracle to preserve the historical record of a blasphemer?


17 posted on 03/25/2012 6:16:06 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: plain talk

Brent will probably respond, but Jews don’t spell out the word for the Lord’s name out of respect for the 1st commandment to not take the name of the Lord in vain. It is a way of honoring the name of the Lord.

And Brent, I’m using Lord because I’ve been told that it is not offensive to Jews. Let me know if that’s not the case. I’m constantly disappointed with the way the word “G-d” is thrown about as if it meant nothing.


18 posted on 03/25/2012 6:22:17 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; brent13a
Brent will probably respond, but Jews don’t spell out the word for the Lord’s name out of respect for the 1st commandment to not take the name of the Lord in vain. It is a way of honoring the name of the Lord. And Brent, I’m using Lord because I’ve been told that it is not offensive to Jews. Let me know if that’s not the case. I’m constantly disappointed with the way the word “G-d” is thrown about as if it meant nothing.

Ok. Hmmm. I honestly did not know the word "God" was offensive to Jews. Thanks.

19 posted on 03/25/2012 6:29:07 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Coleus

I saw the shroud in 1978 myself. I went with my more religous boss and stood with him in a line that was a street wide and miles long. It took 2 hours at least to get in.

I have to say I went in a skeptic and came out saying it could be true. Details of the crucufixion, that none of the later counterfeiters could have known, were shown in a display after the viewing.

It was a truly gruesome way to die. And no it doesn’t have to be real to give you faith, but it was very moving, including the thousands who stood next to us for so long.


20 posted on 03/25/2012 6:39:33 PM PDT by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is not enough)
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To: Coleus
nor do most Christians, it’s called faith...

Some do, sadly. I've never understood the search for physical things as proof of God.

They can't possibly make Faith better. God is real whether things are or not. Faith is just that - a belief that isn't proved.

21 posted on 03/25/2012 7:08:31 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Seamus Sez: "Good dogs don't let their masters vote for Mitt!")
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To: plain talk
Why use the term “G-d”? >>

It's the holiest of names, no Jew has ever spelled God completely. I'm sure some Christians do the same.

22 posted on 03/25/2012 7:29:14 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

I understand the hunger for a physical connection or artifact that connects with Jesus. I understand the hunger for Jesus, it was a hunger that I didn’t even know I had (I thought it was for booze and women).

I think the shroud was used with Jaques DeMolay, the leader of the Knights Templar in France. He was tortured by crucifixion, but not killed until later. His death and torture occurred around the carbon dated age that’s currently given for the shroud. Perhaps that’s only coincidence.


23 posted on 03/25/2012 7:31:04 PM PDT by CPO retired
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To: plain talk

The word “God” is not offensive. It’s a kind of habitual carryover from Hebrew, and really doesn’t apply to English at all, except by habit or mimicry.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/166899/jewish/Why-Dont-You-Spell-Out-G-ds-Name.htm

...We do not write G-d’s name in a place where it may be discarded or erased. Treating G-d’s name with reverence is a way to give respect to G-d. So even though on a computer the name is not really being erased (and perhaps is not really there in the first place), and “G-d” is only an English term used to translate G-d’s holy name, it is in keeping with this respect that I write “G-d” in my emails and on-line articles...


24 posted on 03/25/2012 7:43:44 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SirKit

Shroud ping!


25 posted on 03/25/2012 7:54:55 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: mountainbunny

I’ve never understood the search for physical things as proof of God. >>

Actually, there is, God is in all of us :)


26 posted on 03/25/2012 8:03:56 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: GreyFriar
I think I’ve always thought it is authentic. Or decided it was so long ago, I don’t remember having doubted its authenticity. And Veronica’s veil has no unknown period of existence to cast doubt on it.

I was open to the possibility that the shroud might be a fake, but now I am convinced that it is the burial shroud of Jesus. My faith was not and is not based on the shroud, but I believe it is an interesting and important piece of historical evidence -- and more-so because honest scientists say they don't know how the image was formed.

27 posted on 03/25/2012 8:15:22 PM PDT by zot
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 03/25/2012 8:40:21 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: plain talk

I’ve never known anybody to impose their usage on non-Jews, but from what I’ve seen it is a genuine form of respect for them personally. I really appreciate the honor they show through that. And I didn’t know it either, until one of them gently explained it to me. =)


29 posted on 03/25/2012 8:48:00 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: brent13a

God’s little joke on you? Don’t get too puffed up.he likes to remind us we are not angels. Indeed, we are better than angels, because we are more than spirit.


30 posted on 03/25/2012 8:58:10 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Coleus


31 posted on 03/25/2012 9:03:08 PM PDT by Prospero
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To: CPO retired

Jacques DeMolay was burned at the stake beneath the Pont Neuf in Paris.


32 posted on 03/25/2012 9:20:50 PM PDT by alpo
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To: Coleus; Alamo-Girl; albee; AnalogReigns; AnAmericanMother; Angelas; AniGrrl; annalex; annyokie; ...
Shroud of Turin PING!

If you want on or off the Shroud ping list, Freepmail me.

33 posted on 03/26/2012 6:47:30 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the ping Swordmaker. I’ll read it later.


34 posted on 03/26/2012 7:08:06 AM PDT by csense
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To: Swordmaker

Please include me on your Shroud ping list, Thanks


35 posted on 03/26/2012 7:49:41 AM PDT by jesseam
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To: brent13a

Yeah, well, guys like you frustrate the hell out of me, in return. No matter how many times it’s said, no matter what you hear or read time and time again (e.g. it is NOT about validating your faith, it is NOT to be worshiped, etc., etc., ad nauseum), you and your ilk always just HAVE to post the same old, tired nonsense.

It’s authentic. It’s the real deal. Get over it.


36 posted on 03/26/2012 8:00:45 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

ping


37 posted on 03/26/2012 8:54:46 AM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: Swordmaker

Include me on the ping list please.


38 posted on 03/26/2012 9:12:23 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: mountainbunny; brent13a
I do not need physical proof to know that God and his Son exist, are real, and are our salvation.

The Shroud is not intended to offer proof of our salvation. It is a relic that has survived from the day our Lord was buried in the tomb.

39 posted on 03/26/2012 9:13:30 AM PDT by NYer (He who hides in his heart the remembrance of wrongs is like a man who feeds a snake on his chest. St)
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To: CPO retired

DeMolay was burned at the stake. The man on the shroud hasn’t been burned, he’s been whipped and crucified.


40 posted on 03/26/2012 6:48:58 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: RightOnline

“Yeah, well, guys like you frustrate the hell out of me, in return. No matter how many times it’s said, no matter what you hear or read time and time again (e.g. it is NOT about validating your faith, it is NOT to be worshiped, etc., etc., ad nauseum), you and your ilk always just HAVE to post the same old, tired nonsense.”

I agree with you—I absolutely cannot fathom why such people would post on a thread about the Shroud. We really don’t need to hear their whiny, immature posts about us “worshipping” the Shroud and about how their faith is so superior to ours.....


41 posted on 03/27/2012 6:08:35 PM PDT by Nabber
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the ping and the post.

Thanks be to God that He also uses physical elements to help our human understanding. These “signs” deepen our faith.


42 posted on 03/27/2012 7:21:11 PM PDT by Melian ("Where will wants not, a way opens.")
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To: Coleus; All

Barrie S. has chronicled all of his own work and research on the Shroud along with any and all other research - he updates constantly -
He has compiled and added to his web site for decades - if you haven’t already, you might want to bookmark it for it is quite massive in it’s information

http://shroud.com/


43 posted on 03/27/2012 7:55:54 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("If you bought it - a truck brought it" - and because of the price of gas/it costs more.)
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To: Coleus; All

One of the earliest ? depictions of Jesus? “Isa” discovered in Turkey in 2002 - dated to 1st/2nd Cent.

As a portrait artist, I have followed ‘the face of Jesus” for decades - particularly the iconic paintings, whose similarities point to one origin.

That would seem to be The Shroud.

The image in The Shroud, in the beginning, was much clearer than we see it now.

A few Easters ago, Nat Geo did a documentary on The Shroud, ending with a forensically aided depiction of what the man in The Shroud looked like. (”The Real Face Of Jesus?”)

No surprise. He looks like he has been depicted for 2,000 years.

A few years ago, others decided they’d deduce what He must have looked like, based on a skull from the area and time of His life. They came up with a short, swarthy, man with absolutely no resemblance to what we are familiar with.
What was their reasoning or agenda, I wonder? After all, look at the people in a supermarket at any given time. They are all sizes, all colors, widely differing skull structures, hair, eye color - etc - That’s like digging one of them up 2,000 yrs from now and saying ‘this is what (some famous person of today) looked like. Totally bogus.

The newly discovered tile:

http://shroudofturin.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/paper-chase-face-of-the-god-man/

The iconic connection to the Shroud.

http://www.shroudofturin4journalists.com/pantocrator.htm


44 posted on 03/27/2012 8:45:38 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("If you bought it - a truck brought it" - and because of the price of gas/it costs more.)
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To: zot

How convenient.


45 posted on 03/29/2012 8:50:34 PM PDT by onedoug
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